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As emotionally invested as people are on this topic, TL rules still apply. That includes flaming and ad hominem attacks.
FakeDeath
Profile Joined January 2011
Malaysia6060 Posts
August 30 2012 17:17 GMT
#2061
Another drama involving Destiny?
Same ole Same ole............
Play your best
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
August 30 2012 17:18 GMT
#2062
To the people who say Destiny is immature, what if actually maturity is actually when you look at what Destiny does and you don't get outraged?

It seems to me like the bigger man is the one who's not held back by that kind of uncontrollable emotions.
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
Morphs
Profile Joined July 2010
Netherlands645 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-30 17:22:49
August 30 2012 17:18 GMT
#2063
Hopefully everyone reading this will realize that this whole ordeal is mostly a reflective mirror: whatever you think of this situation or how you react to it mostly says something about yourself and your own beliefs. This wasn't part of Stevens public streaming as far as I understand. It's a private matter that stands apart from the public Steven that everyone here knows. Hence, the only correct action here for us is to have no opinion... it's simply a waste of energy to get all fuzzed up about this.


BTW, that video about Genius made me a fan instantly
KimJongChill
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6429 Posts
August 30 2012 17:21 GMT
#2064
On August 31 2012 02:09 Holy_AT wrote:
Destiny has gone to far, for his actions he deserves a ban from the internetz because he is too stupid to respect other people. In a perfect world people like him would be tortured until they understand what respect of other people means. Beaten until they know that hurting people hurts and that it is a bad thing todo.

User was temp banned for this post.


that just sounds like unnecessary violence..
MMA: U realise MMA: Most of my army EgIdra: fuck off MMA: Killed my orbital MMA: LOL MMA: just saying MMA: u werent loss
Sokrates
Profile Joined May 2012
738 Posts
August 30 2012 17:23 GMT
#2065
On August 31 2012 02:17 -_-Quails wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2012 02:08 Sokrates wrote:
On August 31 2012 02:02 -_-Quails wrote:
On August 31 2012 01:57 Sokrates wrote:
On August 31 2012 01:50 -_-Quails wrote:
On August 31 2012 01:40 Sokrates wrote:
On August 31 2012 01:34 bakarin wrote:
On August 31 2012 01:30 Sokrates wrote:
On August 31 2012 00:40 Tyree wrote:
Contacting the sponsors is absolutely fine in this case

This community, as well as the one on reddit or anywhere is else is not responsible for these players and the stupid shit some of them do, whether its racism, sexism, bigotry, general douchey behavior, homophobia, pedophilia or whatever else you can come up with.

Sponsors dont not wish to be associated with such individuals for obvious reasons, calling them out on it and putting a spotlight is the only right thing to do.

The community is not here to cover up for your inability like a professional


Yeah right, let us all turn professional players into colourless figures that are well mannered and type GG every time. They shouldnt talk about private stuff, only should talk about the game. I guess NOBODY is happy with that. People want drama and want to know more about the players than just about their results.

I like people with personality much more than shadeless people who appear as robots. I like people as stephano (even though he is a arrogant dick in laddergames sometimes), MC, marineking, destiny, and idra.

You guys dont get that consequences this kind of stuff has. If people are pitchforking the sponsors because of a misbehavior of a player, players will stop showing any personality at all. They will appear as robots because they are afraid of punishment.

I like emotions in sports and i like emotions in esports. I like it when idra doesnt GG if he doesnt feel like it. Some people hate or love him for doing that. And people also want the players to talk their mind and not just meaningless stuff that doesnt offend anyone.

If you keep msging the sponsors, you will take away a big part of what makes esports interessting.


Wow you really want "esports" to be WWE with 100% more TMZ content rather than players actually playing the game?



The difference is that the WWE is using made up storylines. If a players talks his mind then its not staged it is his true emotion. I hope its not so hard to figure out the difference.

I just want that the players dont have to fear punishment because people keep emailing the sponsors, i m not saying we should encourage them to misbehave. I m just saying : stop messaging the sponsors.

Do you know what kind of players don't have to fear punishment?
Players who don't treat other people horribly, or do stupid things where they can become public.

Do you know why?
Because sponsors are fine with being associated with people who are good at a game and basically decent human beings.



It was a PRIVATE conversation. It was bad he shared the pictures of her. But he got payed back by getting his dickpicture twittered to 1000s of people. So thats enough punishment if you ask me.
BUt no!! Start msging sponsors and making him kicked out from a team he was one of the founding members is completly wrong.




Whether the original venue of the comments was private or public has no effect on whether they are now private or public. Brand perception is based on what is publicly known, whether or not it was originally private, and so it goes with sponsor interest. The withdrawal of sponsorship has nothing to do with punishing Destiny and everything to do with preventing brands from being tainted by being associated with his behaviour in the leaked conversation and in reaction to the leak. The team removing him is a way of protecting their brand by disassociating themselves from the incident so that sponsors can be associated with Root without being associated with Destiny, and not a punishment.


Your post doesnt make sense. But i will sum up my thoughts and make it easy for you to understand it :

1. Destiny did stupid stuff
2. People are upset and msg roots sponsors
3. Root has to kick destiny to prevent damage from the team.
4. Destiny got punished and people who like destiny got also punished because it makes him less likley to be invited to major events.

The aim of removing him from events was not punishment, but protection of the brands or Root Gaming and their sponsors. It is completely irrelevant to them how much Destiny suffers, or whether or not that suffering is 'enough' to balance out his behaviour.


It is punishment ultimatly. Is it so hard to get this? You punish the player by getting him removed, thats why people are msging the sponsors. They want him to get kicked out of the team, as easy as that. Just look at the reddit threads its just vengance not "i dont feel like i can identify myself with the brand anymore because of destiny".
lazyitachi
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
1043 Posts
August 30 2012 17:23 GMT
#2066
On August 31 2012 01:59 Djzapz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2012 01:58 Incomplet wrote:
When will people understand that people who constantly criticize others does not equal to "having a personality" (ie: Idra, Destiny, Deezer)... It really is pathetic to be able to get entertained at the expense of others.

You want personality? Lo and behold, it is actually possible to "have a personality" without shitting on others around you. For example:

+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOJASR8fteQ



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xof3uwJ8Ehg

That's manufactured hype x_x


Dude.. he stopped scv production like 30 secs.. that s like some srs business right there
Sonic Death Monkey
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden991 Posts
August 30 2012 17:24 GMT
#2067
This is fucking ridiculous. This whole "contact the sponsors" bullshit has got to stop. He privately shared some nude photos with a couple of buddies. What the fuck is the big deal? If you give away nude photos of yourself you're accepting the risk of others seeing them. A rational person's reaction would be "Huh, maybe I shouldn't send nude photos of myself to people I barely know". You may think that it was a dick move by Destiny, fair enough, but contacting sponsors over such a trivial matter is ridiculous. In other sports players can beat up their wife and still recieve the support of their team, but apparently some people wants e-sports to be a naive fairytale world where everyone is supposed to act like Jesus fucking Christ or else they're out.

The power put in the hands of the haters when "contacting the sponsors" has this big of an impact is really terrible for e-sports. I don't buy for one second that the majority of the people contacting sponsors for negative feedback cares at all about ROOT or e-sports, they just want to take a piss at someone they personally dislike. I feel terrible for Catz being put in a situation where he needs to let Destiny go, and of course I feel terrible for Destiny who's at the mercy of a crazy bitch and lynch mob of 12 year olds.
cutler
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany609 Posts
August 30 2012 17:24 GMT
#2068
On August 31 2012 02:14 ROOTFayth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2012 02:09 Holy_AT wrote:
Bluetea has gone to far, for her actions she deserves a ban from the internetz because she is too stupid to respect other people. In a perfect world people like her would be tortured until they understand what respect of other people means. Beaten until they know that hurting people hurts and that it is a bad thing todo.

I agree


just wow...let me guess...you guys enjoying this thread?
Noobity
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States871 Posts
August 30 2012 17:24 GMT
#2069
On August 31 2012 01:58 Incomplet wrote:
When will people understand that people who constantly criticize others does not equal to "having a personality" (ie: Idra, Destiny, Deezer)... It really is pathetic to be able to get entertained at the expense of others.

You want personality? Lo and behold, it is actually possible to "have a personality" without shitting on others around you. For example:




I watched this live and was thoroughly entertained, however nobody is bringing up that at one point Ganzi goes "I'm Gay!" and goes into some stereotypical and a bit exaggerated flamboyant "dance moves".

What I don't understand is how that's not being attacked the same way?

We have some consistent attacks on morality as if anyone is truly "right" about what should or shouldn't have happened here, despite there being no set rules or regulations determining this morality.

I guess it all boils down to doing what you feel is right when you feel it's right, but there are people who will always be attacked because of what they've done in the past. It sucks, but I think it's just something we're going to have to deal with.

I disagree very much with how this situation was handled, and I am a Destiny fan. But I can see where the community is coming from. I just don't know why we can't be consistent.

Destiny refers to someone as a gook: is "forced" to leave his team
Stephano makes a joke about the holocaust: nothing

Rather than pursue legitimate and honest action against Destiny using the tools at her disposal (TL, Reddit, etc) Bluetea retaliates in a far stronger fashion than the initial issue and is applauded for her actions.

We're pretty impossible to gauge as a community, I don't understand why anyone would try to interract with us. Not to say we're not worth it at times, but sometimes we've got to be next to impossible to understand.
My name is Mike, and statistically, yours is not.
upperbound
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2300 Posts
August 30 2012 17:26 GMT
#2070
I understand the community's outrage at Destiny calling people gooks and other bigoted words online in public. I think the reaction was understandable, and the punishment was justifiable even though arguably disproportionate to the crime.

This, on the other hand, is stupid. I feel like it's just a lot of Destiny haters looking for anything to jump on, and clinging to this when it came to light.

People, guys and girls, talk about this kind of stuff in private ALL THE TIME. It's completely biologically natural. Also, Destiny shared pics that, while provocative, have been confirmed by sources to *not* have been nude. I can't see why writing to sponsors makes any sense. The self-righteous white knighting "for the sake of the community" is completely inappropriate and, I would bet, harmful in the long run. Don't make the gaming community seem like an insular club with a narrow-minded view of who should be accepted by the masses if you don't want the gaming to community to seem like an insular club that alienates people easily.

For all the talk about people wanting to grow esports and appeal to a wider audience, this is basically the antithesis of that.
GeorgeForeman
Profile Joined April 2005
United States1746 Posts
August 30 2012 17:28 GMT
#2071
Wow, this seems like Destiny got royally screwed over, but I guess that's what you get for being such an asshole to people who've given you their trust. (And to whom you've given your passwords!)
like a school bus through a bunch of kids
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
August 30 2012 17:28 GMT
#2072
On August 31 2012 02:23 lazyitachi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2012 01:59 Djzapz wrote:
On August 31 2012 01:58 Incomplet wrote:
When will people understand that people who constantly criticize others does not equal to "having a personality" (ie: Idra, Destiny, Deezer)... It really is pathetic to be able to get entertained at the expense of others.

You want personality? Lo and behold, it is actually possible to "have a personality" without shitting on others around you. For example:

+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOJASR8fteQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvVAa5SV8b0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xof3uwJ8Ehg

That's manufactured hype x_x


Dude.. he stopped scv production like 30 secs.. that s like some srs business right there

Oh dear
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
SwiftSpear
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada355 Posts
August 30 2012 17:28 GMT
#2073
I have no unnatural love for destiny, I don't particularly like him, but I don't agree with the circumstances of this situation. I think it's pretty clear this is willful sabotage on the part of another party, a jilted lover no less.
marttorn
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Norway5211 Posts
August 30 2012 17:30 GMT
#2074
On August 31 2012 02:28 GeorgeForeman wrote:
Wow, this seems like Destiny got royally screwed over, but I guess that's what you get for being such an asshole to people who've given you their trust. (And to whom you've given your passwords!)


Indeed, I think most of us can agree that giving someone your twitter password, access to your skype logs and pictures of your penis is not a good combination, especially if you have a habit of talking about the person in question behind their back and calling them hideous.
memes are a dish best served dank
Parj
Profile Joined December 2010
France55 Posts
August 30 2012 17:30 GMT
#2075
Advisory: This stream contains mature language !!!
Zorkmid
Profile Joined November 2008
4410 Posts
August 30 2012 17:33 GMT
#2076
On August 31 2012 02:24 Noobity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2012 01:58 Incomplet wrote:
When will people understand that people who constantly criticize others does not equal to "having a personality" (ie: Idra, Destiny, Deezer)... It really is pathetic to be able to get entertained at the expense of others.

You want personality? Lo and behold, it is actually possible to "have a personality" without shitting on others around you. For example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOJASR8fteQ


I watched this live and was thoroughly entertained, however nobody is bringing up that at one point Ganzi goes "I'm Gay!" and goes into some stereotypical and a bit exaggerated flamboyant "dance moves".

What I don't understand is how that's not being attacked the same way?


There is no existing bandwagon for forumscum to hop onto.
Gben592
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom281 Posts
August 30 2012 17:35 GMT
#2077
On August 31 2012 02:26 upperbound wrote:
I understand the community's outrage at Destiny calling people gooks and other bigoted words online in public. I think the reaction was understandable, and the punishment was justifiable even though arguably disproportionate to the crime.

This, on the other hand, is stupid. I feel like it's just a lot of Destiny haters looking for anything to jump on, and clinging to this when it came to light.

People, guys and girls, talk about this kind of stuff in private ALL THE TIME. It's completely biologically natural. Also, Destiny shared pics that, while provocative, have been confirmed by sources to *not* have been nude. I can't see why writing to sponsors makes any sense. The self-righteous white knighting "for the sake of the community" is completely inappropriate and, I would bet, harmful in the long run. Don't make the gaming community seem like an insular club with a narrow-minded view of who should be accepted by the masses if you don't want the gaming to community to seem like an insular club that alienates people easily.

For all the talk about people wanting to grow esports and appeal to a wider audience, this is basically the antithesis of that.


Well said... And also, why is everyone obsessed with Destiny's personal life... Like, whenever he does something stupid suddenly it involves EVERYONE, with people going to his sponsors etc... I mean, try and picture this in real life... ya know, your at work, and some shit goes on at home with girls etc... >private life< stuff... Imagine if then everyone at work suddenly got involved... da fuq?

It just seems to me that people who don't like him, in the same way I might not like certain music, just want to see him go away, rather than understanding that other people in the community find him really entertaining. Not to mention freedom of speech issues (remember the whole racism thing).

I don't like some music... but I don't actively seek out ways to stop bands making music etc...

"The more skilled player is the one who wins, and I don't think there's better balance than what we have now." INnoVation
-_-Quails
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia796 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-30 17:36:06
August 30 2012 17:35 GMT
#2078
On August 31 2012 02:18 Morphs wrote:
Hopefully everyone reading this will realize that this whole ordeal is mostly a reflective mirror: whatever you think of this situation or how you react to it mostly says something about yourself and your own beliefs. This wasn't part of Stevens public streaming as far as I understand. It's a private matter that stands apart from the public Steven that everyone here knows. Hence, the only correct action here for us is to have no opinion... it's simply a waste of energy to get all fuzzed up about this.

By your reasoning then the same could be said about Tiger Wood's adultery.

On August 31 2012 02:30 marttorn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2012 02:28 GeorgeForeman wrote:
Wow, this seems like Destiny got royally screwed over, but I guess that's what you get for being such an asshole to people who've given you their trust. (And to whom you've given your passwords!)


Indeed, I think most of us can agree that giving someone your twitter password, access to your skype logs and pictures of your penis is not a good combination, especially if you have a habit of talking about the person in question behind their back and calling them hideous.

Wise words.
"I post only when my brain works." - Reaper9
FakeDeath
Profile Joined January 2011
Malaysia6060 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-30 17:37:18
August 30 2012 17:35 GMT
#2079
On August 31 2012 01:57 Sokrates wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2012 01:50 -_-Quails wrote:
On August 31 2012 01:40 Sokrates wrote:
On August 31 2012 01:34 bakarin wrote:
On August 31 2012 01:30 Sokrates wrote:
On August 31 2012 00:40 Tyree wrote:
Contacting the sponsors is absolutely fine in this case

This community, as well as the one on reddit or anywhere is else is not responsible for these players and the stupid shit some of them do, whether its racism, sexism, bigotry, general douchey behavior, homophobia, pedophilia or whatever else you can come up with.

Sponsors dont not wish to be associated with such individuals for obvious reasons, calling them out on it and putting a spotlight is the only right thing to do.

The community is not here to cover up for your inability like a professional


Yeah right, let us all turn professional players into colourless figures that are well mannered and type GG every time. They shouldnt talk about private stuff, only should talk about the game. I guess NOBODY is happy with that. People want drama and want to know more about the players than just about their results.

I like people with personality much more than shadeless people who appear as robots. I like people as stephano (even though he is a arrogant dick in laddergames sometimes), MC, marineking, destiny, and idra.

You guys dont get that consequences this kind of stuff has. If people are pitchforking the sponsors because of a misbehavior of a player, players will stop showing any personality at all. They will appear as robots because they are afraid of punishment.

I like emotions in sports and i like emotions in esports. I like it when idra doesnt GG if he doesnt feel like it. Some people hate or love him for doing that. And people also want the players to talk their mind and not just meaningless stuff that doesnt offend anyone.

If you keep msging the sponsors, you will take away a big part of what makes esports interessting.


Wow you really want "esports" to be WWE with 100% more TMZ content rather than players actually playing the game?



The difference is that the WWE is using made up storylines. If a players talks his mind then its not staged it is his true emotion. I hope its not so hard to figure out the difference.

I just want that the players dont have to fear punishment because people keep emailing the sponsors, i m not saying we should encourage them to misbehave. I m just saying : stop messaging the sponsors.

Do you know what kind of players don't have to fear punishment?
Players who don't treat other people horribly, or do stupid things where they can become public.

Do you know why?
Because sponsors are fine with being associated with people who are good at a game and basically decent human beings.



It was a PRIVATE conversation. It was bad he shared the pictures of her. But he got payed back by getting his dickpicture twittered to 1000s of people. So thats enough punishment if you ask me.
BUt no!! Start msging sponsors and making him kicked out from a team he was one of the founding members is completly wrong.





Everyone has skeletons behind their closet.Somehow, one of his bad skeletons(private convo) got discovered and leaked out to the public.

When something scandalous drama like this occur, there will almost be 100000000000000% massive negativity comments and response to the issue.Be it sports role model,idol celebrities, TV spokesperson.The feedback towards the scandal or drama will always be horrendous.

That's why sponsors pulling out from this situation by not sponsoring the said team or voided the contract with the said team or person is very common.Almost a norm i dare say.They have to uphold their " image " for their brand.If the person or team they sponsored is involved in any drama like this one, it will negatively affected their brand image.

What's Destiny did was pretty shitty but what the girl did wasn't pretty either.
Regardless,this is a really bad situation for both parties and the team.
That why Catz had no choice to kicked Destiny off the team.
Play your best
Sonic Death Monkey
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden991 Posts
August 30 2012 17:37 GMT
#2080
On August 31 2012 01:48 schaf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2012 00:58 krew406 wrote:
I think its unfair to be calling destiny names and belittling him because of this. There is too much about the story that we don't know, and based on the facts, it is the girl who went crazy, not Destiny. I'm not sure if everyone who is mad is just stuck inside living a very solitary life or what, but friends sharing nude pics of their significant other is a fairly common practice. If anything she should feel empowered by the fact that her body is well enough to be shared amongst friends. The fact that she hacked him back instead of taking any of the legal steps necessary proves how rediculous this is. Yes it is not nice to talk about someones face in a mean light, but these are nude pics, who cares what he says about your face in a picture where your whole body is exposed??? Anyways, I hope she gets in some serious shit for ruining this guy's career. Alot of you are acting a little too self righteous for reality, pro gamers are not Obamas, and this girl has some serious issues for even sending him a nude in the first place.


wtf...?

so it's okay for you that her nude pics got shared with his friends, he called her face ugly as hell and discussed if he should fuck her or not?

She went crazy, but I can understand what she did.


YES IT IS. What world are you living in? I imagine it's quite different from the real one.
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