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Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
August 24 2012 09:10 GMT
#121
On August 24 2012 18:08 anrimayu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 18:04 Odoakar wrote:
Can someone translate Korean community comments on this article? I really want to know they stance about all this.


For the first time ever, both BW and SC2 community have united to shit on Kespa. Congratulation?

Was that their masterplan? They saw in the future that the BW and SC2 community would be divided so they started to act like idiots so both sides would join up against a common enemy and that way unite as one?
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Dox
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Australia1199 Posts
August 24 2012 09:11 GMT
#122
Never seen so much swearing & caps lock in 1 thread, hehe.
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X3GoldDot
Profile Joined August 2011
Malaysia3840 Posts
August 24 2012 09:11 GMT
#123
to be fucking honest, i see this being bad as of for now, but in the long run i think if this havent happened, kespa will just go back to kill the potential sc2 has....
prime/startale/[SexComaZerg, RoyalRoaderZerg, SirLifealot] ingame ID = GoodGame
Lukeeze[zR]
Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
August 24 2012 09:12 GMT
#124
Fairly sure kespa's next move will be even uglier
Terran & Potato Salad.
Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
August 24 2012 09:12 GMT
#125
hopefully the cooler heads on both sides, or maybe even a third party like Blizzard or a figurehead like BoxeR can negotiate.

the only solution for both sides is just let the players play. otherwise SC2 is just fucked in Korea.
Throw on your favorite jacket and you're good to roll. Stroll through the trees and let your miseries go.
Kommander
Profile Joined March 2011
Philippines4950 Posts
August 24 2012 09:12 GMT
#126
I thought Blizzard was gonna make a statement? C'mon Morhaime, make yourself useful!
Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
August 24 2012 09:12 GMT
#127
On August 24 2012 18:09 saocyn wrote:
i don't understand why people are bitching and the fact it's going to hurt "sc2"
this move should have been done LONG AGO if anything. kespa are the douches if you guys don't see that. what they're essentially trying to do with not merging with non kespa players is have their players catch up and keep the reign that they had in bw without showing that their players are weaker than GSL players in sc2. THAT HURTS EVERYONE. why? because kespa players can't catch up quicker. the more they play against people currently better than they are, the quicker they catch up.
along with the fact GSL players don't see another side of a pure style of game that they lack.
not to mention EVERYONE wants to see the kespa best vs the sc2 best, and it would completely bring unity to the sc community but they don't' want that happening cause they're to prideful.


Actually, I doubt it's caused by the "let our players catch up" reason. I mean, we've all seen WCS Korea, and there are strong signs that they are already at a great level. Though GSL and "1-week-preparation" tournaments are different, I think if the KeSPA players can compete in terms of skill in these kind of matches (WCS) they'll do well in GSL (at least qualifiers and Code A) because they already have the work ethic and organization of these kind of tournaments.

I believe the reason is way more based on money. "Hey, let's have alone all the benefits from the Kespa vs ESF storyline".
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Seronei
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden991 Posts
August 24 2012 09:12 GMT
#128
Great move, ESF did what had to be done. They hit them when it counts, if they waited to long the GSL players wont have the same status as they do now and can easily be ignored.
vanhio
Profile Joined November 2010
Niue1017 Posts
August 24 2012 09:12 GMT
#129
Good move GOM !
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
August 24 2012 09:12 GMT
#130
On August 24 2012 18:12 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
Fairly sure kespa's next move will be even uglier


I'm not sure what they could do to be "uglier". Their players aren't playing in gsl what more can they do?
When I think of something else, something will go here
X3GoldDot
Profile Joined August 2011
Malaysia3840 Posts
August 24 2012 09:13 GMT
#131
On August 24 2012 18:12 blade55555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 18:12 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
Fairly sure kespa's next move will be even uglier


I'm not sure what they could do to be "uglier". Their players aren't playing in gsl what more can they do?


they hire someone to kill mr.chae..... oshit if that happens
prime/startale/[SexComaZerg, RoyalRoaderZerg, SirLifealot] ingame ID = GoodGame
Fishriot
Profile Joined May 2010
United States621 Posts
August 24 2012 09:13 GMT
#132
Hopefully everyone can shake hands and be friends and shit.
TheAmazombie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States3714 Posts
August 24 2012 09:13 GMT
#133
On August 24 2012 18:12 blade55555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 18:12 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
Fairly sure kespa's next move will be even uglier


I'm not sure what they could do to be "uglier". Their players aren't playing in gsl what more can they do?


Pull their players from the OSL in an act of defiance? LoL.
We think too much and feel too little. More than machinery, we need humanity. More than cleverness, we need kindness and gentleness. Without these qualities, life will be violent and all will be lost. -Charlie Chaplin
Weirdkid
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Singapore2431 Posts
August 24 2012 09:14 GMT
#134
Haha Wolfdor talking about it on WCS too
"Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you be like him yourself." - Proverbs 26:4
achan1058
Profile Joined February 2012
1091 Posts
August 24 2012 09:14 GMT
#135
On August 24 2012 18:12 Gamegene wrote:
hopefully the cooler heads on both sides, or maybe even a third party like Blizzard or a figurehead like BoxeR can negotiate.

the only solution for both sides is just let the players play. otherwise SC2 is just fucked in Korea.

Actually, I was hoping for some of the more international companies of KeSPA to defect.
Cinim
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark866 Posts
August 24 2012 09:14 GMT
#136
WoW, I'm happy that I'm not in GomTV or Ongamenets shoes right now. The 2 of them seems to get well along(if you didn't know, GomTV sponsored the last OSL BW tournament, Tving is part og GomTV).
This is all meant to combat kespa, but it's not they who are hurt the most
Hell, it's about time
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-24 09:14:37
August 24 2012 09:14 GMT
#137
On August 24 2012 18:13 TheAmazombie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 18:12 blade55555 wrote:
On August 24 2012 18:12 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
Fairly sure kespa's next move will be even uglier


I'm not sure what they could do to be "uglier". Their players aren't playing in gsl what more can they do?


Pull their players from the OSL in an act of defiance? LoL.


LOL make an OSL go from 8 people left to 0 lmao. (even though OGN works under kespa unless i'm mistaken).
When I think of something else, something will go here
bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
August 24 2012 09:14 GMT
#138
On August 24 2012 18:10 Mauldo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 18:04 bgx wrote:
On August 24 2012 18:00 blade55555 wrote:
On August 24 2012 17:57 Kergy wrote:
This may end up killing SC2 completely in Korea


No it won't. It might hurt Kespa, but GOM will be fine as from what I read korean fans (that watch GSL players anyway) agree with their decision as it's been fairly positive someone said.


I dont think thats a reality, if GOM(ESF) risks that much, it means they are threatened already by Kespa players reputation in Korea. Meaning Kespa already leads in Korea, how long GOM will live by foreign votes?


What are they risking though? Kespa fucked GOM, so ESF fucked Kespa. Considering ESF has been basically supported by the regular paycheck of GSL, the move makes sense. Mr. Chae (and Artosis on a few SOTGs) has gone on record multiple times saying GSL was basically there to fund teams until they could get real sponsors with Code A and Code S paychecks.

What happened was Kespa threw a jab at GOM, and ESF stepped in to tackle them to the ground. Now Kespa has figure out how they're going to get standing again.

Can you tell me what they're risking? Especially when Korean fans are uniformly with the ESF decision?

They are risking running a league that will be on a constant foreign life support. And foreign esports were never stable resource not as much as Korean one up till some time (Match fixing scandal)

There is possibility Korea will back them up but nothing is certain, risk is involved.
Stork[gm]
ImNightmare
Profile Joined May 2012
1575 Posts
August 24 2012 09:14 GMT
#139
On August 24 2012 18:12 blade55555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 18:12 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
Fairly sure kespa's next move will be even uglier


I'm not sure what they could do to be "uglier". Their players aren't playing in gsl what more can they do?

Don't underestimate kespa. If it can be dirtier, they will make it dirtier. But thumbs up to ESF, show kespa they can't fuck GOM over just like that who actually made the effort to promote sc2.
khaydarin9
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Australia423 Posts
August 24 2012 09:14 GMT
#140
On August 24 2012 18:10 Integra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 18:08 anrimayu wrote:
On August 24 2012 18:04 Odoakar wrote:
Can someone translate Korean community comments on this article? I really want to know they stance about all this.


For the first time ever, both BW and SC2 community have united to shit on Kespa. Congratulation?

Was that their masterplan? They saw in the future that the BW and SC2 community would be divided so they started to act like idiots so both sides would join up against a common enemy and that way unite as one?


Needs more giant squid.

Also, for reference, to help avoid confusing the parties involved: GOM is to to eSF what OGN is to Kespa.
Be safe, Woo Jung Ho <3
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