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Zane
Profile Joined January 2011
Romania3916 Posts
August 24 2012 12:58 GMT
#1001
On August 24 2012 21:56 setzer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 21:54 MeLo wrote:
Only season 5?

If it were me, I wouldn't budge unless they participate in 4 as well.


Same. Nothing prevents KeSPA from backing out of next season while they formulate a backup plan and try to calm down the PR firestorm.

Yeah, why would eSF trust them?
Legace
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden342 Posts
August 24 2012 12:59 GMT
#1002
I'm actually interested in what the KeSPA players think of the fact that eSF and the non-KeSPA players do whatever they want - pretty much - instead of being bossed around by an umbrella organisation.

Perhaps eSF or similar will turn into a legitimate players association in the future. One can hope atleast.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50196 Posts
August 24 2012 12:59 GMT
#1003
On August 24 2012 21:58 Zane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 21:56 setzer wrote:
On August 24 2012 21:54 MeLo wrote:
Only season 5?

If it were me, I wouldn't budge unless they participate in 4 as well.


Same. Nothing prevents KeSPA from backing out of next season while they formulate a backup plan and try to calm down the PR firestorm.

Yeah, why would eSF trust them?


umm when does the registration for GSL 4 end exactly?
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snafoo
Profile Joined August 2010
New Zealand1615 Posts
August 24 2012 12:59 GMT
#1004
On August 24 2012 21:57 BrosephBrostar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 21:55 setzer wrote:
On August 24 2012 21:52 BrosephBrostar wrote:
On August 24 2012 21:47 ch33psh33p wrote:
On August 24 2012 21:37 floor exercise wrote:
On August 24 2012 21:28 Cubu wrote:
but wait, isnt kespa and osl 2 different entities? so that would mean esf screwed over someone innocent?

ESF screwed over any of their players who wanted to participate in the OSL. Right now they're no better than Kespa and being used as pawns. I guess it's time to boycott all korean sc2?


Do you know how to read? The ESF contacted EVERY SINGLE PLAYER in the OSL and asked them if they were okay with this. They unanimously supported the decision. Notice how the statement was made by Nestea as well.

Do you really think Kespa went through the same process? ESF is a PLAYERS association, Kespa is NOT.


You think the players would willingly turn down the chance to compete in a televised individual league, something they've probably been wanting since they became pros?


Why wouldn't they if they think the alternative is death of GSL, their teams, and assimilation by KeSPA, who would restrict access to International tournaments?


Why would they care if GSL died? If they got picked up by kespa teams they would make more money and play on tv.

I can't believe the little guy complex you people all have. It's honestly making me uncomfortable to even post here.


Not everything in the world is about money. Maybe they don't want to completely turn their backs on the company/league that started SC2 esports and helped them to establish themselves and teams....
Goldfish
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
2230 Posts
August 24 2012 13:00 GMT
#1005
On August 24 2012 21:58 Zane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 21:56 setzer wrote:
On August 24 2012 21:54 MeLo wrote:
Only season 5?

If it were me, I wouldn't budge unless they participate in 4 as well.


Same. Nothing prevents KeSPA from backing out of next season while they formulate a backup plan and try to calm down the PR firestorm.

Yeah, why would eSF trust them?


With the negative reaction from Koreans themselves (and even on KeSPA"s website), it would be PR suicide (which does affect viewers and may affect sponsors as well) to pull players out from Season 5.
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JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
August 24 2012 13:00 GMT
#1006
On August 24 2012 21:57 BrosephBrostar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 21:55 setzer wrote:
On August 24 2012 21:52 BrosephBrostar wrote:
On August 24 2012 21:47 ch33psh33p wrote:
On August 24 2012 21:37 floor exercise wrote:
On August 24 2012 21:28 Cubu wrote:
but wait, isnt kespa and osl 2 different entities? so that would mean esf screwed over someone innocent?

ESF screwed over any of their players who wanted to participate in the OSL. Right now they're no better than Kespa and being used as pawns. I guess it's time to boycott all korean sc2?


Do you know how to read? The ESF contacted EVERY SINGLE PLAYER in the OSL and asked them if they were okay with this. They unanimously supported the decision. Notice how the statement was made by Nestea as well.

Do you really think Kespa went through the same process? ESF is a PLAYERS association, Kespa is NOT.


You think the players would willingly turn down the chance to compete in a televised individual league, something they've probably been wanting since they became pros?


Why wouldn't they if they think the alternative is death of GSL, their teams, and assimilation by KeSPA, who would restrict access to International tournaments?


Why would they care if GSL died? If they got picked up by kespa teams they would make more money and play on tv.

I can't believe the little guy complex you people all have. It's honestly making me uncomfortable to even post here.


You sure you are well informed about the team's salary situation? Because I have some sources which are incomatible with your statements.
YourGoodFriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2197 Posts
August 24 2012 13:01 GMT
#1007
On August 24 2012 21:26 ssg wrote:
Remember when people said Kespa would be good for sc2? LOL


What does League of Legends have to do with this?...

All joking aside I hope this doesn't hurt the Korean SC2 scene and that Gom still remains as the Korean SC2 premier tournament I have always respected how they went about things and now that I have a better paying job I might buy season passes even if I can't watch most of the game just to support GOM.

~YourGoodFriend

ESF & GOM Fighting!!!!!!!!
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8mmspikes
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1704 Posts
August 24 2012 13:01 GMT
#1008
This was just tweeted - http://leveltory.com/15185

Running it through google translate it seems to say that KeSPA will allow the players to participate in GSL qualifiers?

SUCCESS??
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setzer
Profile Joined March 2010
United States3284 Posts
August 24 2012 13:01 GMT
#1009
On August 24 2012 21:59 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 21:58 Zane wrote:
On August 24 2012 21:56 setzer wrote:
On August 24 2012 21:54 MeLo wrote:
Only season 5?

If it were me, I wouldn't budge unless they participate in 4 as well.


Same. Nothing prevents KeSPA from backing out of next season while they formulate a backup plan and try to calm down the PR firestorm.

Yeah, why would eSF trust them?


umm when does the registration for GSL 4 end exactly?


Does it matter? I don't see GOM going "well shit registration period ended you can't join us now."
Weirdkid
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Singapore2431 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-24 13:02:33
August 24 2012 13:02 GMT
#1010
On August 24 2012 22:01 setzer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 21:59 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On August 24 2012 21:58 Zane wrote:
On August 24 2012 21:56 setzer wrote:
On August 24 2012 21:54 MeLo wrote:
Only season 5?

If it were me, I wouldn't budge unless they participate in 4 as well.


Same. Nothing prevents KeSPA from backing out of next season while they formulate a backup plan and try to calm down the PR firestorm.

Yeah, why would eSF trust them?


umm when does the registration for GSL 4 end exactly?


Does it matter? I don't see GOM going "well shit registration period ended you can't join us now."


The preliminaries are 5-6 Sept if that means anything
"Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you be like him yourself." - Proverbs 26:4
Jaaaaasper
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States10225 Posts
August 24 2012 13:02 GMT
#1011
Oh yippee, that's just what a struggling Korean sc2scene needs, petty arguments and squabbles. This is just bad and getting worse.
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50196 Posts
August 24 2012 13:02 GMT
#1012
On August 24 2012 22:01 setzer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 21:59 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On August 24 2012 21:58 Zane wrote:
On August 24 2012 21:56 setzer wrote:
On August 24 2012 21:54 MeLo wrote:
Only season 5?

If it were me, I wouldn't budge unless they participate in 4 as well.


Same. Nothing prevents KeSPA from backing out of next season while they formulate a backup plan and try to calm down the PR firestorm.

Yeah, why would eSF trust them?


umm when does the registration for GSL 4 end exactly?


Does it matter? I don't see GOM going "well shit registration period ended you can't join us now."


maybe, still its a win for eSF the players.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
TL+ Member
Kiyo.
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2284 Posts
August 24 2012 13:03 GMT
#1013
On August 24 2012 22:01 8mmspikes wrote:
This was just tweeted - http://leveltory.com/15185

Running it through google translate it seems to say that KeSPA will allow the players to participate in GSL qualifiers?

SUCCESS??


No. They will participate in GSL Season 5 qualifiers, not these upcoming ones.
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Goldfish
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
2230 Posts
August 24 2012 13:03 GMT
#1014
Registration ends August 27 (I think), so there is plenty of time .
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figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
August 24 2012 13:03 GMT
#1015
On August 24 2012 21:52 Integra wrote:
For people that doesn't read the threads:

ITS SETTLED, KESPA AGREES ON THEIR TEAMS COMING TO GOM:


On August 24 2012 21:48 Kiyo. wrote:
Well it worked: http://esports.dailygame.co.kr/news/read.php?id=65681

They're participating in GSL Season 5./QUOTE

Well, that was quick. Much ado about nothing. Rrrr - roar - grrr - okay, fine, friends again! ;D
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BrosephBrostar
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States445 Posts
August 24 2012 13:03 GMT
#1016
On August 24 2012 22:00 JustPassingBy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 21:57 BrosephBrostar wrote:
On August 24 2012 21:55 setzer wrote:
On August 24 2012 21:52 BrosephBrostar wrote:
On August 24 2012 21:47 ch33psh33p wrote:
On August 24 2012 21:37 floor exercise wrote:
On August 24 2012 21:28 Cubu wrote:
but wait, isnt kespa and osl 2 different entities? so that would mean esf screwed over someone innocent?

ESF screwed over any of their players who wanted to participate in the OSL. Right now they're no better than Kespa and being used as pawns. I guess it's time to boycott all korean sc2?


Do you know how to read? The ESF contacted EVERY SINGLE PLAYER in the OSL and asked them if they were okay with this. They unanimously supported the decision. Notice how the statement was made by Nestea as well.

Do you really think Kespa went through the same process? ESF is a PLAYERS association, Kespa is NOT.


You think the players would willingly turn down the chance to compete in a televised individual league, something they've probably been wanting since they became pros?


Why wouldn't they if they think the alternative is death of GSL, their teams, and assimilation by KeSPA, who would restrict access to International tournaments?


Why would they care if GSL died? If they got picked up by kespa teams they would make more money and play on tv.

I can't believe the little guy complex you people all have. It's honestly making me uncomfortable to even post here.


You sure you are well informed about the team's salary situation? Because I have some sources which are incomatible with your statements.


Sources like what? Last time I checked most sc2 players weren't even salaried and teams were folding because no money.

Jesus Christ, it's like I'm watching a race riot.
princealexander
Profile Joined June 2012
38 Posts
August 24 2012 13:03 GMT
#1017
Season 5? So after about 5 month lol
speedphlux
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Bulgaria962 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-24 13:04:32
August 24 2012 13:04 GMT
#1018
Blah, Season 5 ... What about the next one ?!
It's quite selfish to ask eSF players to attend the OSL, based on the promise that you'll let your players paricipate in the qualifiers for the GSL ... in 2-3 ( ? 5 ? ) months time.
In 2 months, a freaking meteorite could hit the Earth, or maybe worst - the next Command and Conquerer could wipe-out StarCraft and all its history :D
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FataLe
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand4501 Posts
August 24 2012 13:04 GMT
#1019
On August 24 2012 22:01 8mmspikes wrote:
This was just tweeted - http://leveltory.com/15185

Running it through google translate it seems to say that KeSPA will allow the players to participate in GSL qualifiers?

SUCCESS??

new and exciting
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Swisslink
Profile Joined March 2011
2953 Posts
August 24 2012 13:04 GMT
#1020
On August 24 2012 21:59 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 21:58 Zane wrote:
On August 24 2012 21:56 setzer wrote:
On August 24 2012 21:54 MeLo wrote:
Only season 5?

If it were me, I wouldn't budge unless they participate in 4 as well.


Same. Nothing prevents KeSPA from backing out of next season while they formulate a backup plan and try to calm down the PR firestorm.

Yeah, why would eSF trust them?


umm when does the registration for GSL 4 end exactly?


27th...

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