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I have nothing against random, because I play random too, just not like picking random.
Like I choose terran for 10 games in a row then switch, etc.
But the reason why I disagree a ton with playing random is;
Learning defections.
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Just think, you play random, maybe you're chosen zerg, and you get a toss player.
The toss cant play out the standard early-midgame pvz until he either; lets the zerg scout him, or he scouts early on before his first pylon (Perhaps 7 supply?) and lets say, the toss is good and opens up 1 gate fe (not the normal pvz) and the zerg is forced to open up pool first because of the threat of early zealots with an expo behind it.
If you still don't understand, lemme try again;
You're chosen Protoss vs a zerg (again yes PvZ, just the player is protoss.) and the zerg is forced to open safe 11 pool or 15 pool, or defensive 10 pool and then expanding behind a speedling allin or baneling bust on 2 base.
Its not the standard ZvP/PvZ and you can only learn off of the non standard pvz that you get as being random.
I understand on how some actually do play random and tell their race, this post is not directed towards you. ^^
I do understand also on how some people dont even play random but do sometimes for the lols and try to learn abit about the other races, this isn't partially directed towards you guys/girls, either.
I am really putting this directly at the randoms on ladder who are plat or below who don't tell their race.
If you still dont understand, heres my TL;DR.
TL;DR= You dont play the normal meta game for each match up outside of random, and it's a bad learning defect in playing sc2.
/topic
(This is my first serious topic on TeamLiquid forums.
The original topic title was "Why I don't agree with playing random" but it didn't fit the topic.)
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That only works if your goal with playing random is learning and that the learning should be how to play a standard game. If you wanted to say "You shouldn't play random if you want to play to improve at playing the standard meta game, and assume that random isn't a valid meta game to learn" then sure, but I think it's narrow minded to assume that'd be the reason everyone plays the game.
Edit: I guess the other way of wording it would be "Why I don't play random".
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ehh,,, until you are playing on pro level you shouldn't bother with these kind of things, Under diamond(maybe master) everything is non standard so..
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I play random because its fun and I play to have fun. So why shouldn't I play random and have fun? Why exactly should I care about the metagame? Its not like I plan on going pro (or even hitting GM on ladder).
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Your whole post is about why you shouldn't play random if you want to learn the meta game or improve. I have two accounts. One where I play zerg and the other where I play random just for fun when I want to play SC2 but do not want to focus on climbing the ladder,working on mechanics, etc.
You should really consider reframing your post. It just sounds like you don't understand why a lot of people play a game; it is fun.
I understand what you are saying and I think you are right but I think few people play random to really improve at a high level and learn the metagame.
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I guess this is good advice for the 5 random players who are really trying to be the best on their server. As for everyone else, they probably don't care.
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I understand what you are saying and I think you are right but I think few people play random to really improve at a high level and learn the metagame.
I sometimes play random on another account to see what I lose to if I play vs my main race as another race.
So I guess you're right on that part. :p
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On August 23 2012 06:54 XERtirips wrote:
I have nothing against random, because I play random too, just not like picking random.
Like I choose terran for 10 games in a row then switch, etc.
But the reason why I disagree a ton with playing random is;
Learning defections.
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Just think, you play random, maybe you're chosen zerg, and you get a toss player.
The toss cant play out the standard early-midgame pvz until he either; lets the zerg scout him, or he scouts early on before his first pylon (Perhaps 7 supply?) and lets say, the toss is good and opens up 1 gate fe (not the normal pvz) and the zerg is forced to open up pool first because of the threat of early zealots with an expo behind it.
If you still don't understand, lemme try again;
You're chosen Protoss vs a zerg (again yes PvZ, just the player is protoss.) and the zerg is forced to open safe 11 pool or 15 pool, or defensive 10 pool and then expanding behind a speedling allin or baneling bust on 2 base.
Its not the standard ZvP/PvZ and you can only learn off of the non standard pvz that you get as being random.
If you still dont understand, heres my TL;DR.
TL;DR= You dont play the normal meta game for each match up outside of random, and it's a bad learning defect in playing sc2.
/topic
(This is my first serious topic on TeamLiquid forums.
The original topic title was "Why I don't agree with playing random" but it didn't fit the topic.)
I understand what you are trying to say, but I disagree wtih your argument. Why is it bad for people to experience non standard games? Experience outwith that standard metagame openings will still add to a players experience, which is still positive learning.
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Jelly of my dark-voice portrait are ya?
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I want to play random on ladder then I'll play random. It's there as a choice, therefore it isn't forbidden or any sort of cheat.
TL;DR (fashionable) go fuck yourself  .
User was warned for this post
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why do you want to play standard if there is no standard play for you?
you play random, not a specific race.
this works in your favour (metagame-wise)
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Couldn't you just tell your opponent what race you happened to roll?
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lol I doubt anyone cares about this, random is there and people will use it lol or dont tell me is it killing esports?
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Don't tell people not to do something. Seems rude and pompous.
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No you actually learn to play the game if you want to. I wanted my portraits when I played random, and I got them, I just gold people my race. These threads are absolutely nonsense and have no bearing on the few thousand people that will read them. I played random, I told people my race, and I got shit on in chat and allin'd everygame still. Where are you 50 threads a month about that? Random is a legitimate race, if people don't wish to disclose their in game race, get a build for vs random that can adapt to each matchup later on after you scout it. They have to learn 9 matchups, you don't. Deal with it
/sunglasses.
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On August 23 2012 07:04 Gulf wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 06:54 XERtirips wrote:
I have nothing against random, because I play random too, just not like picking random.
Like I choose terran for 10 games in a row then switch, etc.
But the reason why I disagree a ton with playing random is;
Learning defections.
---------
Just think, you play random, maybe you're chosen zerg, and you get a toss player.
The toss cant play out the standard early-midgame pvz until he either; lets the zerg scout him, or he scouts early on before his first pylon (Perhaps 7 supply?) and lets say, the toss is good and opens up 1 gate fe (not the normal pvz) and the zerg is forced to open up pool first because of the threat of early zealots with an expo behind it.
If you still don't understand, lemme try again;
You're chosen Protoss vs a zerg (again yes PvZ, just the player is protoss.) and the zerg is forced to open safe 11 pool or 15 pool, or defensive 10 pool and then expanding behind a speedling allin or baneling bust on 2 base.
Its not the standard ZvP/PvZ and you can only learn off of the non standard pvz that you get as being random.
If you still dont understand, heres my TL;DR.
TL;DR= You dont play the normal meta game for each match up outside of random, and it's a bad learning defect in playing sc2.
/topic
(This is my first serious topic on TeamLiquid forums.
The original topic title was "Why I don't agree with playing random" but it didn't fit the topic.) I understand what you are trying to say, but I disagree wtih your argument. Why is it bad for people to experience non standard games? Experience outwith that standard metagame openings will still add to a players experience, which is still positive learning.
I never said it was bad.
I just don't agree with how you have to play vs random and then the random has to shift with that in a weird, unorthadox way.
(Im talking about low leagues here, and the argument is mostly too.)
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On August 23 2012 07:10 andReslic wrote:
lol I doubt anyone cares about this, random is there and people will use it lol or dont tell me is it killing esports?
With all the "Anti-Random" threads that has been popping up lately the answer seems to be yes, at least according to the thread creators of said threads.
OT: If someone wants to play random, let them play random... why all these threads?
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So you are saying that by playing the standard builds over and over again you are learning more than by facing more unpredictable, intuitive builds?
I don't think so.
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Lol, this thread is pointless, heres why 
If you play random and it disrupts the metagame into something different, it doesnt matter because THAT is then the metagame they need to know, because they play random. Catch my drift?
Random player Vs X
the random player will eventually learn what races do in that position (vs rdm) and develop strategies behind it, much like the normal metagame.
Because its not "normal" gameplay from a typical XvX means nothing to a random player, the fucked up version is his norm.
EDIT: Wether its a detriment to your opponent or not, its a challenge to them, which is a good thing imo. Not being able to execute a safe build vs all MU's is fail anyway, and if it puts you behind, your expertise with your race should even things out, random players arent experts at a chosen matchup, they're jacks of all trades, right? ^^ (Or as i like to call them, cheesey bastards.)
Also, who the FUCK will trust random ladder player saying : Dont worry bro im toss. Next minute, 6 zerglings in ur base raping them probies.
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People should play whatever they enjoy the most. If they enjoy playing random, then they should play random.
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