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Lorch
Germany3691 Posts
On August 15 2012 04:49 WeedRa wrote: how long did they last? I might be wrong but wasn't x6 around for only about 1 year?  The star 2 squad yes, but checksix is a lot older than starcraft 2. Sad to see a team with so much history gone T.T, still remember when I heard about them for the first time seeing their name in one of itwaslucks montages, good times. | ||
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VPCursed
1044 Posts
idfk what you expected when the person in control of your finances doesn't understand that diamond players aren't going to get results at mlg. Also being in contact with many of your players it seems to me you guys had very little direction with your team. seemingly having no control over what your players do and how they practice. It didn't appear you had a coach or anything of the sort to help your players grow. I am personally disgusted that you guys seem to think that you couldn't improve without spending " copious " amounts of money in your leaving statement. It was just complete incompetence. I hope this will serve as a warning to future teams and as a learning bench on how not to utilize a team with a strong roster. GL to the players on your roster, I hope they can find a team in the near future. | ||
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jupidar
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QuanticCinergy
United States37 Posts
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shinyA
United States473 Posts
On August 15 2012 06:58 VPCursed wrote: not to sound like a complete fucking dick or anything but, you guys were sending ailuj to every event... whose a diamond player. idfk what you expected when the person in control of your finances doesn't understand that diamond players aren't going to get results at mlg. Also being in contact with many of your players it seems to me you guys had very little direction with your team. seemingly having no control over what your players do and how they practice. It didn't appear you had a coach or anything of the sort to help your players grow. I am personally disgusted that you guys seem to think that you couldn't improve without spending " copious " amounts of money in your leaving statement. It was just complete incompetence. I hope this will serve as a warning to future teams and as a learning bench on how not to utilize a team with a strong roster. GL to the players on your roster, I hope they can find a team in the near future. As a former player for Check SIx, I agree with this. I enjoyed my time in the team because the players in the team were great and one of my best friends was the sc2 manager at the time. The 'Check Six philosophy' though was completely flawed. They put more priority on their management than their players, it always felt like they thought that the 'team' was above the player. They were in a position where so many up and coming teams wish they were at; they had financial and gear sponsors and very skilled players. They won 2 ESEA's and got second in one, if I remember correctly. That's over $10,000 that the players earned them but what did the players that earned them that money get? Nothing except travel to MLG's , which is as much a benefit to the team as it is to the player. They put more priority in bringing in personalities rather than players. They had Julia, PainUser, HD, and MaximusBlack getting as much or more from the team than the actual players. Why did Suppy go to EG? Because he wasn't contracted by xSix. How pathetic is that? Especially after his run at MLG they still didn't have him contracted, I think I heard him say that EG didn't even approach him until after he qualfiied for ASUS ROG. That means even after he did so well at MLG and after he showed what an amazing player he is, xSix still wasn't going to contract him until another team did. It happened in the past with other players on the team, they basically had the mindset of 'why pay a player unless we have to?'. I'm sure they scrambled to try to get Suppy to stay after he was contacted by EG but what a slap in the face! It's like saying "you weren't worth contracting before, but now that EG wants you we'll try to keep you". I knew this was going to happen long, long ago. It's the result of incompetence and bad management philosophy. The players are what's most important, if that wasn't the case then why would you disband? You lost your best players but you still had the people who you put in a higher priority than the players that left! You still had Julia, HD, PU, and MaximusBlack, why disband? Because the players who are actually competing for you are what's important and you failed to realize that long ago. You should have promoted your players, made them famous. Not try to bring in already famous people and put them ahead of your players. Look at EG, they got a group of players and then marketed the hell out of them. They made their players into personalities, not recruit personalites and try to make them players. This doesn't mean they were bad people or anything like that, I really liked Curt, Zax, Vhalin and Fuji. They're great people, I just think the way they went about leading and managing the team was wrong. | ||
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Nazeron
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zaxx
United States66 Posts
On August 15 2012 07:19 shinyA wrote: As a former player for Check SIx, I agree with this. I enjoyed my time in the team because the players in the team were great and one of my best friends was the sc2 manager at the time. The 'Check Six philosophy' though was completely flawed. They put more priority on their management than their players, it always felt like they thought that the 'team' was above the player. They were in a position where so many up and coming teams wish they were at; they had financial and gear sponsors and very skilled players. They won 2 ESEA's and got second in one, if I remember correctly. That's over $10,000 that the players earned them but what did the players that earned them that money get? Nothing except travel to MLG's , which is as much a benefit to the team as it is to the player. They put more priority in bringing in personalities rather than players. They had Julia, PainUser, HD, and MaximusBlack getting as much or more from the team than the actual players. Why did Suppy go to EG? Because he wasn't contracted by xSix. How pathetic is that? Especially after his run at MLG they still didn't have him contracted, I think I heard him say that EG didn't even approach him until after he qualfiied for ASUS ROG. That means even after he did so well at MLG and after he showed what an amazing player he is, xSix still wasn't going to contract him until another team did. It happened in the past with other players on the team, they basically had the mindset of 'why pay a player unless we have to?'. I'm sure they scrambled to try to get Suppy to stay after he was contacted by EG but what a slap in the face! It's like saying "you weren't worth contracting before, but now that EG wants you we'll try to keep you". I knew this was going to happen long, long ago. It's the result of incompetence and bad management philosophy. The players are what's most important, if that wasn't the case then why would you disband? You lost your best players but you still had the people who you put in a higher priority than the players that left! You still had Julia, HD, PU, and MaximusBlack, why disband? Because the players who are actually competing for you are what's important and you failed to realize that long ago. You should have promoted your players, made them famous. Not try to bring in already famous people and put them ahead of your players. Look at EG, they got a group of players and then marketed the hell out of them. They made their players into personalities, not recruit personalites and try to make them players. This doesn't mean they were bad people or anything like that, I really liked Curt, Zax, Vhalin and Fuji. They're great people, I just think the way they went about leading and managing the team was wrong. I remember you singing a very different tune when one of the CheckSix management spent his own money to get you equipment by a certain time frame so you could "practice". And what team was it who's director personally invested in a full set of gear for you? Very funny how things like that work, I guess people's true character always comes out in the end. But, you are welcome to your opinion even if it is flawed. | ||
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VPreboot
United States132 Posts
On August 15 2012 07:19 shinyA wrote: As a former player for Check SIx, I agree with this. I enjoyed my time in the team because the players in the team were great and one of my best friends was the sc2 manager at the time. The 'Check Six philosophy' though was completely flawed. They put more priority on their management than their players, it always felt like they thought that the 'team' was above the player. They were in a position where so many up and coming teams wish they were at; they had financial and gear sponsors and very skilled players. They won 2 ESEA's and got second in one, if I remember correctly. That's over $10,000 that the players earned them but what did the players that earned them that money get? Nothing except travel to MLG's , which is as much a benefit to the team as it is to the player. They put more priority in bringing in personalities rather than players. They had Julia, PainUser, HD, and MaximusBlack getting as much or more from the team than the actual players. Why did Suppy go to EG? Because he wasn't contracted by xSix. How pathetic is that? Especially after his run at MLG they still didn't have him contracted, I think I heard him say that EG didn't even approach him until after he qualfiied for ASUS ROG. That means even after he did so well at MLG and after he showed what an amazing player he is, xSix still wasn't going to contract him until another team did. It happened in the past with other players on the team, they basically had the mindset of 'why pay a player unless we have to?'. I'm sure they scrambled to try to get Suppy to stay after he was contacted by EG but what a slap in the face! It's like saying "you weren't worth contracting before, but now that EG wants you we'll try to keep you". I knew this was going to happen long, long ago. It's the result of incompetence and bad management philosophy. The players are what's most important, if that wasn't the case then why would you disband? You lost your best players but you still had the people who you put in a higher priority than the players that left! You still had Julia, HD, PU, and MaximusBlack, why disband? Because the players who are actually competing for you are what's important and you failed to realize that long ago. You should have promoted your players, made them famous. Not try to bring in already famous people and put them ahead of your players. Look at EG, they got a group of players and then marketed the hell out of them. They made their players into personalities, not recruit personalites and try to make them players. This doesn't mean they were bad people or anything like that, I really liked Curt, Zax, Vhalin and Fuji. They're great people, I just think the way they went about leading and managing the team was wrong. err, I have to agree with this. It seemed that CheckSix had until Sleep's contract expired to gain a few really strong players and create a name for themselves with an incredibly strong team that could gain notoriety through online events and team leagues. The problem I saw was that CheckSix didn't work with their players on the competitive side and didn't market them properly. Suppy was the only person who managed to improve from a strong GM zerg to one that can compete on the international stage. If there wasn't any practice regime then the players will stagnate and dwindle and you can never improve as a team. Also, this was a team with Maximus Black, Painuser, and HD Starcraft: absolutely incredible celebrities to have on a team. But I didn't see any word of them promoting CheckSix at all. Maybe hosting in-house clan wars with PU and HD casting would have been really successful. All in all there seems to have been a lack of follow-up and commitment to improve and market the team. | ||
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shinyA
United States473 Posts
On August 15 2012 07:31 zaxx wrote: I remember you singing a very different tune when one of the CheckSix management spent his own money to get you equipment by a certain time frame so you could "practice". And what team was it who's director personally invested in a full set of gear for you? Very funny how things like that work, I guess people's true character always comes out in the end. But, you are welcome to your opinion even if it is flawed. Okay. I was on the team for what, 6+ months? During which time I won the vast majority of all my inhouse practice games, I tried out players for the team, and was always active and ready to do anything you guys needed. During the first few months I told you multiple times that my mouse and headset was broken and that I would focus on other things if you guys didn't want to give me gear. You guys had other Protoss players so you didn't give me anything and I stopped playing. A while later after Shadow and Arcanne stopped playing and you had no other Protoss I get msgd about getting gear and coming back to practice, I agreed. I came back and practiced hard for over a month with the gear that I received. I tried giving suggestions to the team and showed interest in wanting to help in management decisions because I disagreed with how things were being run. I was basically shoved off to the side like I was unimportant so I left the team and then was accused of stealing the gear. I appreciate(d) what you did for me and told you so multiple times; even after I left I still expressed my gratitude. But don't act like it was something done out of the kindness of your heart. I was on the team for many months and the only time I got anything was when you felt you needed me and had no other options. e/ also funny that you would try to attack my character and then imply that my opinion is flawed without every actually addressing anything I said in the post. | ||
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TheMooseHeed
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Ryps
Romania2740 Posts
On August 15 2012 07:20 SKTerran.117 wrote: checksix will always be wow arena beastcleave 3v3 <3 flexx toez twixx <3 sad to see them go out like this The most hated team ever, I think thats one of the reason wow arena isnt at MLG anymore :D | ||
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shinyA
United States473 Posts
On August 15 2012 07:46 SKTerran.117 wrote: full set of gear? sc2 can be played on a toster :p what kind of stuff do teams give out to players? seems like paying for travel would be more than enough lol I was given a TTeSports Mouse and Headset along with a PureTrak mousepad. | ||
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Gingerninja
United Kingdom1339 Posts
Shame to see a more established team go under, especially as CS;GO is about to be released and HotS coming up too. | ||
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