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KeyHunt
Profile Joined August 2010
United States218 Posts
August 14 2012 22:55 GMT
#121
I would say I disagree Shinya. However, I recommend the new team your on..or even you personally to prove us wrong. Just like I said in the interview, it is not my place to argue with those that disagree with what I said. That is my opinion based on being around for a long period of time and understanding how things work ( I like to think ). But, if you can do it..please, please do. Thanks for the feedback and hopefully if it doesn't help us, it will help someone else.
IPA
Profile Joined August 2010
United States3206 Posts
August 14 2012 22:57 GMT
#122
On August 15 2012 07:55 KeyHunt wrote:
I would say I disagree Shinya. However, I recommend the new team your on..or even you personally to prove us wrong. Just like I said in the interview, it is not my place to argue with those that disagree with what I said. That is my opinion based on being around for a long period of time and understanding how things work ( I like to think ). But, if you can do it..please, please do. Thanks for the feedback and hopefully if it doesn't help us, it will help someone else.


What part of his multi-part argument do you disagree with?
Time held me green and dying though I sang in my chains like the sea.
-Kyo-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Japan1926 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-14 23:03:25
August 14 2012 23:03 GMT
#123
On August 15 2012 07:57 IPA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2012 07:55 KeyHunt wrote:
I would say I disagree Shinya. However, I recommend the new team your on..or even you personally to prove us wrong. Just like I said in the interview, it is not my place to argue with those that disagree with what I said. That is my opinion based on being around for a long period of time and understanding how things work ( I like to think ). But, if you can do it..please, please do. Thanks for the feedback and hopefully if it doesn't help us, it will help someone else.


What part of his multi-part argument do you disagree with?


Being through 2 teams with incredibly strong NA pools of talent I agree completely with Shiny. If there is seriously something wrong with his argument I'd be more than inclined to listen and try to understand your point of view. To me, it always seemed like xSix had everything they needed, and at one point I was very close to attempting to tryout for the team. However, as Shiny pointed out, it seemed like there was just so much emphasis on being a "personality"; rather than a player, I thought I'd never make it. :l

I wish especially good luck to the NA zergs from xSix. Mystic and the others are really sick. Completely standard play, and often very old meta game zerg, but they do it so well it still works. Good luck to the players and xSix's future. Makes me sad to see this
Anime is cuter than you. Legacy of the Void GM Protoss Gameplay: twitch.tv/kyo7763 youtube.com/user/KyoStarcraft/
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EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
August 14 2012 23:04 GMT
#124
Kind of suspected this . Sucks that it actually happened.
KoDo
Profile Joined December 2010
United States683 Posts
August 14 2012 23:13 GMT
#125
Shinya seems right...recruiting ailuJ and sending her to mlg's was a joke...e-sports doesnt need sub-mediocre girls getting special attention for looks.
docvoc
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States5491 Posts
August 14 2012 23:13 GMT
#126
I am sad but at the same time its not like when oGs disbanded for me. Idk why I don't actually feel that bad even though this team fielded a TON of talent and made them so much better.
User was warned for too many mimes.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
August 14 2012 23:17 GMT
#127
On August 15 2012 08:13 docvoc wrote:
I am sad but at the same time its not like when oGs disbanded for me. Idk why I don't actually feel that bad even though this team fielded a TON of talent and made them so much better.

Checksix really felt like a foreign version of zenex, under the radar most of the time and whenever they had a player break out big time another team would take them. Sad for them gl to the players and management on getting a new team.
Glorious SEA doto
ridethecatbus
Profile Joined February 2012
United States64 Posts
August 14 2012 23:20 GMT
#128
Picking up the personalities was a good marketing decision for the team however it feels like they were never capitalized on.

For instance, when they added MaximusBlack, I think a lot of us were expecting the melding of two worlds: LAGTV and CheckSix the pro team. But it never happened. As a fan of MB, I was under the impression the team was going to try to coach him into GM as the publicity stunt, and that MB would interact with and promote the team's players as the payback.

But the two worlds appeared segregated for the entirety of the relationship. On a few occasions some players entered LAGTV tournaments and got their games casted but other than that I never saw them interact. Team practice time, at least when it was live streamed on MB's channel, consisted of the team mopping the floor with him and signing off. Why did MB have to get all his coaching from outside the team when his teammates were GM? And why did they not help Ailuj get into Masters? I don't know what the dynamics were behind the scenes but that's what I saw as a fan.

If I was a player on that team, I would have leeched off of MB so hard, getting as much face-time and growing my fan base as much as possible. I'd be streaming games with him, hanging on his shoulder at all the MLGs, sending replays of my funny games to LAGTV for them to cast, etc. I thought that was the whole purpose of acquiring these personalities.

Why did this go so poorly?
SuperFanBoy
Profile Joined June 2011
New Zealand1068 Posts
August 14 2012 23:24 GMT
#129
Sad news..

hope to see EG.HDstarcraft
Bluerain
Profile Joined April 2010
United States348 Posts
August 14 2012 23:24 GMT
#130
On August 15 2012 06:09 KeyHunt wrote:
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On August 15 2012 06:04 GunPaladin wrote:
I dunno whether you guys are referring to just the sc2 division or the organization in general. CheckSix has been around for close to a decade. Key Hunt don't lose momentum, now is the time and you know what you need to do.........

ENERVATE


Hahaha. That would be interesting, eh?


lol i get this, was on ENE.wc3
HornyHerring
Profile Joined March 2011
Papua New Guinea1059 Posts
August 14 2012 23:30 GMT
#131
All those smaller teams are gonna die out sooner or later I'm afraid. :<
oh, hai
DeVx
Profile Joined September 2011
United States98 Posts
August 14 2012 23:35 GMT
#132
Can't really say much about this team, just that is was infamous on signing ailuj and sending her to MLG events, though she was diamond and still to this day do not understand why sign a diamond player and send them to MLG events... blows my mind.

Anyways, GL to the players on finding suitable teams!
mastergriggy
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1312 Posts
August 14 2012 23:38 GMT
#133
I think the moral of the story is not to have 6 in your team name. Checksix and Sixjack, god bless those poor souls.
Write your own song!
Abductedonut
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States324 Posts
August 14 2012 23:44 GMT
#134
Damn... that sucks. x6 had the best Unreal Tournament 2004 lineup in the USA. That's why I've got sort-of a sentimental attraction to them. Nobody could come close to their players.

x6°stryfe
x6°CombatCarl
x6°Tex
x6°Gimix

RIP x6 =/
TheRealzz
Profile Joined November 2010
150 Posts
August 14 2012 23:47 GMT
#135
OhhHHHhhh Snnnaaaaaaap!!! Pain user can join EG NOOOOOoooOOOOWWWW

\\\\////
Fccccccckkkk YEeeeeeaaaaaah!!! (O_o)
One-base play is aggression ?
Burns
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2300 Posts
August 14 2012 23:51 GMT
#136
said to say that i saw this coming, but i never wanted it to happen
What do you mean you heard me during the night, these are quiet pants!
heartlxp
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1258 Posts
August 15 2012 00:02 GMT
#137
On August 15 2012 07:50 shinyA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2012 07:46 SKTerran.117 wrote:
On August 15 2012 07:31 zaxx wrote:
On August 15 2012 07:19 shinyA wrote:
On August 15 2012 06:58 VPCursed wrote:
not to sound like a complete fucking dick or anything but, you guys were sending ailuj to every event... whose a diamond player.
idfk what you expected when the person in control of your finances doesn't understand that diamond players aren't going to get results at mlg. Also being in contact with many of your players it seems to me you guys had very little direction with your team. seemingly having no control over what your players do and how they practice. It didn't appear you had a coach or anything of the sort to help your players grow.
I am personally disgusted that you guys seem to think that you couldn't improve without spending " copious " amounts of money in your leaving statement. It was just complete incompetence. I hope this will serve as a warning to future teams and as a learning bench on how not to utilize a team with a strong roster. GL to the players on your roster, I hope they can find a team in the near future.

As a former player for Check SIx, I agree with this.

I enjoyed my time in the team because the players in the team were great and one of my best friends was the sc2 manager at the time. The 'Check Six philosophy' though was completely flawed. They put more priority on their management than their players, it always felt like they thought that the 'team' was above the player. They were in a position where so many up and coming teams wish they were at; they had financial and gear sponsors and very skilled players. They won 2 ESEA's and got second in one, if I remember correctly. That's over $10,000 that the players earned them but what did the players that earned them that money get? Nothing except travel to MLG's , which is as much a benefit to the team as it is to the player.

They put more priority in bringing in personalities rather than players. They had Julia, PainUser, HD, and MaximusBlack getting as much or more from the team than the actual players. Why did Suppy go to EG? Because he wasn't contracted by xSix. How pathetic is that? Especially after his run at MLG they still didn't have him contracted, I think I heard him say that EG didn't even approach him until after he qualfiied for ASUS ROG. That means even after he did so well at MLG and after he showed what an amazing player he is, xSix still wasn't going to contract him until another team did. It happened in the past with other players on the team, they basically had the mindset of 'why pay a player unless we have to?'. I'm sure they scrambled to try to get Suppy to stay after he was contacted by EG but what a slap in the face! It's like saying "you weren't worth contracting before, but now that EG wants you we'll try to keep you".

I knew this was going to happen long, long ago. It's the result of incompetence and bad management philosophy. The players are what's most important, if that wasn't the case then why would you disband? You lost your best players but you still had the people who you put in a higher priority than the players that left! You still had Julia, HD, PU, and MaximusBlack, why disband? Because the players who are actually competing for you are what's important and you failed to realize that long ago. You should have promoted your players, made them famous. Not try to bring in already famous people and put them ahead of your players. Look at EG, they got a group of players and then marketed the hell out of them. They made their players into personalities, not recruit personalites and try to make them players.

This doesn't mean they were bad people or anything like that, I really liked Curt, Zax, Vhalin and Fuji. They're great people, I just think the way they went about leading and managing the team was wrong.



I remember you singing a very different tune when one of the CheckSix management spent his own money to get you equipment by a certain time frame so you could "practice". And what team was it who's director personally invested in a full set of gear for you? Very funny how things like that work, I guess people's true character always comes out in the end.

But, you are welcome to your opinion even if it is flawed.


full set of gear?

sc2 can be played on a toster :p

what kind of stuff do teams give out to players? seems like paying for travel would be more than enough lol

I was given a TTeSports Mouse and Headset along with a PureTrak mousepad.


Feels like everyone who ever dreams of becoming "pro" should read this exchange. For every idra (player who's really well off, at least financially), you'll have many players like this who are just left in the gutter with very little future in the scene.
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
August 15 2012 00:08 GMT
#138
Dang, xSix was one of my favorite teams. Mkengyn super awesome
Incanus
Profile Joined October 2009
Canada695 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-15 00:08:58
August 15 2012 00:08 GMT
#139
I remember Check6 from when they sponsored u96d in the Enemy Territory tournament at QuakeCon 2005. Epic tournament and great memories from then, sad to see them go!
Flash: "Why am I so good?" *sob sob*
SolarJto
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States260 Posts
August 15 2012 00:08 GMT
#140
I think we all saw this comming after their top players were leaving the team. Sad to see them desband
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