In all honesty though, great team while it lasted.
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
In all honesty though, great team while it lasted. | ||
Takezou
United States320 Posts
On August 15 2012 10:39 Xeris wrote: I'm not spending my life savings on LighT. Doing pretty well for myself thus far Seems like an unnecessary shot to take at a bad time.... Maybe show some grace as Nazgul did? | ||
paddyz
Ireland628 Posts
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VPreboot
United States132 Posts
On August 15 2012 10:09 KeyHunt wrote: I certainly hope you're right. If the only problem is simply how CheckSix was ran..then that is fantastic and we should see newer teams break in without having to spend their life savings any day now. Of course there are elements of chance, I don't want to deny that. And people need money in order to get players, results and personalities, which you need to get sponsors, which you need to get money, which you need to get players, results, and personalities. The difference between new start-up team X and CheckSix is that CheckSix BEGAN with a good pedigree, a good (i assume) amount of money and an experienced management team (again, I'm assuming here, but I think these are good guesses) and nothing happened. You got players like Sleep and didn't promote him. You got players like Suppy and ThisisJimmy (who went on great runs in 2010 and 2011 MLGs) who were never advertised as the new hip thing. You had celebrities like Painuser, HDstarcraft and Maximus Black who were never used as marketing tools. Your last written article on your site is from May. Your featured articles are ancient, from nearly a year ago. Now, I don't know everything behind the decision, but from what was said here I would have to say that the major fault of this team lay within the managements inability to create marketing opportunities from this incredible list of pros. Suppy was writing for the ESEA last season, why not get him to write stuff for your site? Why not get a few volunteers to do written content? Why not do showmatches with HD and Painuser to advertise? When you had major, why not work with Artosis to create regular 'Major in Korea' content? To your point, it takes more than good management decisions to get to the big leagues. There has not been a good example of a team coming from out of nowhere to make it to EG's level. Its Gosu and Infinity Seven are probably the best examples of teams getting to near that level, but nobody has ever truly made it there. There is no one reason that teams can't make it there, but coming from 7 years of experience in esports and already having sponsors means that CheckSix didn't come from nowhere. CheckSix had the resources to create the elements above and if more effort was put in on the marketing and production side it probably would have been a success. Instead The management decided to squat on what they had and not do anything with it. This is a little harsh I think, but I think that the point has to sink in: getting to EGs level is not impossible, but people have to use the best cards they have. CheckSix had a great deck, but didn't use any of their cards. | ||
PhillyWild
United States59 Posts
On August 15 2012 10:40 KeyHunt wrote: I really do not have the strength to argue about this; nor do I want to. Once again, it all comes back to you have your own opinion I just disagree. I can respect that, I'm not looking for a drawn out argument. We can just agree to disagree. Just sad to see you guys go. My well wishes to your future opportunities was sincere btw. | ||
StarStruck
25339 Posts
On August 15 2012 09:40 shinyA wrote: In the very beginning EG got most of the known BW USA guys. IncontroL, Machine, LzGameR, IdrA, iNkA, PsyonicReaver, Colbi, etc were all recruited into EG before SC2 was even released. The foreign BW scene was incredibly small compared to the foreign sc2 scene, so to say that they were established before EG is a little bit of a stretch. IncontroL and IdrA have a bit more of a case but the rest of their original players weren't famous or anything and even inc and idra were limited to non-korean bw relevance which isn't that much, athough Geoff was on a little reality show thing for WCG. EG had their players and went with it, they marketed the hell out of them and made them into personalities. The recruits since then are obviously a different case, I wasn't referring to HuK, ThorZaiN, etc. But originally they took players and made them what they are. I don't need a history lesson man. I was there. ._. I stick by what I said. A lot of them were already personalities before EG even got a hold of them. It's part of their recruitment criteria which A.G. even posted. Our community wasn't that small at all. It's only small when you compare it to what it is now in the international scene; however, when it comes to scouting talent. It was just as problematic back then. IdrA made himself relevant for always opening his mouth when he statistically didn't have much to back it up until that one year he broke out after training so long in Korea. Everyone else was part-time. He was full-time. Geoff always had it in him. He has been articulate ever since I can remember. So no. EG didn't brand him at all. They came along for the ride in seeing his value. Geoff had it in him since his 88) days. I don't always see eye-to-eye with the guy and he hasn't changed much since then. He's the same Geoff. What A.G. did was buy a group of players who were friends and living together. They already had value and that's one of the reasons he picked them up. | ||
PhillyWild
United States59 Posts
On August 15 2012 10:53 VPreboot wrote: Of course there are elements of chance, I don't want to deny that. And people need money in order to get players, results and personalities, which you need to get sponsors, which you need to get money, which you need to get players, results, and personalities. The difference between new start-up team X and CheckSix is that CheckSix BEGAN with a good pedigree, a good (i assume) amount of money and an experienced management team (again, I'm assuming here, but I think these are good guesses) and nothing happened. You got players like Sleep and didn't promote him. You got players like Suppy and ThisisJimmy (who went on great runs in 2010 and 2011 MLGs) who were never advertised as the new hip thing. You had celebrities like Painuser, HDstarcraft and Maximus Black who were never used as marketing tools. Your last written article on your site is from May. Your featured articles are ancient, from nearly a year ago. Now, I don't know everything behind the decision, but from what was said here I would have to say that the major fault of this team lay within the managements inability to create marketing opportunities from this incredible list of pros. Suppy was writing for the ESEA last season, why not get him to write stuff for your site? Why not get a few volunteers to do written content? Why not do showmatches with HD and Painuser to advertise? When you had major, why not work with Artosis to create regular 'Major in Korea' content? To your point, it takes more than good management decisions to get to the big leagues. There has not been a good example of a team coming from out of nowhere to make it to EG's level. Its Gosu and Infinity Seven are probably the best examples of teams getting to near that level, but nobody has ever truly made it there. There is no one reason that teams can't make it there, but coming from 7 years of experience in esports and already having sponsors means that CheckSix didn't come from nowhere. CheckSix had the resources to create the elements above and if more effort was put in on the marketing and production side it probably would have been a success. Instead The management decided to squat on what they had and not do anything with it. This is a little harsh I think, but I think that the point has to sink in: getting to EGs level is not impossible, but people have to use the best cards they have. CheckSix had a great deck, but didn't use any of their cards. Even smaller teams can heed this advice. Take advantage of what you have in every way possible. Not every NA team can be EG, but not every fast food joint can be McDonalds either. Even in that industry where McDs is the 800 lb gorilla, there are several who do well with what they have. Just have a solid plan of attack, business structure, and members willing to do whatever it takes to see it succeed. Failure is unavoidable and more teams will fail in the future but if out of say 12-15 new teams, if there's a chance of 2 or 3 to become established and survive then its worth the risk. Otherwise, why would anyone attempt to start a business? | ||
KeyHunt
United States218 Posts
On August 15 2012 10:53 VPreboot wrote: To your point, it takes more than good management decisions to get to the big leagues. There has not been a good example of a team coming from out of nowhere to make it to EG's level. Its Gosu and Infinity Seven are probably the best examples of teams getting to near that level, but nobody has ever truly made it there. There is no one reason that teams can't make it there, but coming from 7 years of experience in esports and already having sponsors means that CheckSix didn't come from nowhere. CheckSix had the resources to create the elements above and if more effort was put in on the marketing and production side it probably would have been a success. Instead The management decided to squat on what they had and not do anything with it. This is a little harsh I think, but I think that the point has to sink in: getting to EGs level is not impossible, but people have to use the best cards they have. CheckSix had a great deck, but didn't use any of their cards. It's not that your suggestions are not sound..it's that in our climate, they were not feasible. I want you to realize that just having things at your disposal does not mean you can call upon them to do the things you suggest. Once again, your suggestions are sound you are just not privy to the same information. If you want to know about a little more of that information, I will be happy to share some in private..but a public forum is not the place. | ||
LaM
United States1321 Posts
I don't hold EG's size against them, but there is no doubt that the super teams that have emerged in NA make it difficult for mid level teams to thrive. And I'm talking multigaming organizations when I say that. Teams like ROOT etc... can spring up because they are largely player run and specific to one game. Oh well. Goodbye Check Six. | ||
Catatonic
United States699 Posts
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walklightwhat
Australia752 Posts
Hopefully all the players are able to find teams and continue playing SC2 seriously. | ||
stratmatt
United States913 Posts
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conz
United Kingdom163 Posts
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sPaG
United States3 Posts
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Arceus
Vietnam8332 Posts
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ETisME
12266 Posts
them picking up maximusblack was a really good move too what a shame | ||
JiYan
United States3668 Posts
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Paradise`
United States201 Posts
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IPA
United States3206 Posts
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iNcontroL
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USA29055 Posts
On August 15 2012 12:19 Paradise` wrote: Mystik doesnt even play much anymore.. Sad to hear ![]() | ||
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