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Fionn
United States23455 Posts
GSL World Championship: A 5v5 show match between five of the best foreigners and five of the best Koreans. GSL 2012 Code S Season 4: The Ro8 through the grand finals will be played in Las Vegas at IPL5. More details about IPL5 will be announced on August 13th. 
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Glurkenspurk
United States1915 Posts
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Klipsys
United States1533 Posts
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BathTubNZ
New Zealand2556 Posts
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starception
205 Posts
Naniwa, Stephano, Thorzain, Scarlett, and Nerchio Korean team: Top 5 GSL | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25551 Posts
E: Man, I really don't think the format will be fitting. As others have pointed out, playing several rounds of GSL in one weekend is... well, it's not GSL-like at all. I take it back, I take it all back. ._. gom please save us | ||
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CuSToM
United States1478 Posts
Should be interesting to see how the round of 8 to finals format works though since these events are usually just for the weekend. | ||
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ThaZenith
Canada3116 Posts
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Klipsys
United States1533 Posts
On August 12 2012 09:00 starception wrote: Foreigner team: Naniwa, Stephano, Thorzain, Scarlett, and Nerchio Korean team: Top 5 GSL Not scarlett. I'd say mana or maybe maybe major. | ||
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ShiroKaisen
United States1082 Posts
...wait, this means MKP could win a GSL. I'm suddenly torn. | ||
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Fionn
United States23455 Posts
On August 12 2012 09:02 ShiroKaisen wrote: I whole-heartedly disagree with this. It might have been a scheduling necessity due to the WCS Korea taking up this entire month for GSL, but it really pulls the rug out from under GSL players who rely on week-to-week preparation like Mvp and Nestea, and favors streaky players like MarineKing. ...wait, this means MKP could win a GSL. I'm suddenly torn. If MKP makes the Ro8, he is also in IPL5. Meaning he'll be doing double duty. Same with players like Polt, Alive, Taeja, Hero, etc. | ||
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Rosettastoned
United States107 Posts
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Synche
United States1345 Posts
There's a huge difference in just credibility between GSL and any foreigner tournament, and I think so much of that is the preparation aspect. Why can't it just be the finals? | ||
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MCXD
Australia2738 Posts
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ShakkaFL
Norway647 Posts
On August 12 2012 09:00 BathTubNZ wrote: So two weeks of GSL in 1 weekend? Doesn't that negate the whole 'planning for your opponent' aspect of GSL? it does, it's an awful idea. | ||
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FragRaptor
United States184 Posts
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cablesc
United States1540 Posts
On August 12 2012 09:00 BathTubNZ wrote: So two weeks of GSL in 1 weekend? Doesn't that negate the whole 'planning for your opponent' aspect of GSL? Nothing wrong with having some variety to the format. And it's not like GOM hasn't tinkered with their tournaments in the past, World Championship, Super Tournament, Blizzard cup etc. At least it's more likely to have a finals that isn't terribly one-sided due to one player coming up with well-prepared strats. | ||
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sam05396
United States783 Posts
In two days. Seems like that is most of their revenue for code s | ||
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Fionn
United States23455 Posts
It makes sense when you realize we only have four months left in the year and GOM still needs to do GSL4/5 an Blizzard Cup. | ||
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SomeONEx
Sweden641 Posts
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ShakkaFL
Norway647 Posts
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sam05396
United States783 Posts
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Andreas
Norway214 Posts
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m0ck
4194 Posts
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ShiroKaisen
United States1082 Posts
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aintz
Canada5624 Posts
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Pratoss
Canada201 Posts
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Kergy
Peru2011 Posts
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SenorChang
Australia4729 Posts
GSL is about studying and preparing for your opponent already have mlg, ipl, dh, iem, asusrog for weekend tournaments | ||
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setzer
United States3284 Posts
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Waxangel
United States33359 Posts
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Fubi
2228 Posts
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mrRoflpwn
United States2618 Posts
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BlackPanther
United States872 Posts
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Waxangel
United States33359 Posts
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ArcticRaven
France1406 Posts
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Kyyuna
United States1222 Posts
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Ventris
Germany1226 Posts
On August 12 2012 09:00 Glurkenspurk wrote: Well let's just hope they let GOM do all the production. Would be terrible is IPL butchers the GSL :/ | ||
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sam05396
United States783 Posts
A finals -.- | ||
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Lunares
United States909 Posts
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Denzil
United Kingdom4193 Posts
On August 12 2012 09:02 ShiroKaisen wrote: I whole-heartedly disagree with this. It might have been a scheduling necessity due to the WCS Korea taking up this entire month for GSL, but it really pulls the rug out from under GSL players who rely on week-to-week preparation like Mvp and Nestea, and favors streaky players like MarineKing. ...wait, this means MKP could win a GSL. I'm suddenly torn. Nestea and MVP will be fine Naniwa on the other hand would crash and burn in such circumstances | ||
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Laryleprakon
New Zealand9496 Posts
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Fubi
2228 Posts
On August 12 2012 09:08 Fionn wrote: It's three weeks of GSL. Ro8 takes two days and then a week break for semifinals. Then the semifinals occur and the finalists get a week and a half to practice for the final. It makes sense when you realize we only have four months left in the year and GOM still needs to do GSL4/5 an Blizzard Cup. If they want to shorten their time, they can simply do double days where they cast 4 groups of Ro32/Ro16 in one day, play all their Ro8 in one day, etc, just like what they do to Code A; butchering the whole prestige format of your league is definitely not the best way to go about it | ||
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14fighter
United States226 Posts
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TheAngelofDeath
United States2033 Posts
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Gorilla23
United States339 Posts
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Derrida
2885 Posts
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ShowTheLights
Korea (South)1683 Posts
Players like Nestea get SCREWED over by this. | ||
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indxrje
227 Posts
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Lunares
United States909 Posts
But RO8 to finals? No way. | ||
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Waxangel
United States33359 Posts
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yeastiality
Canada374 Posts
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NoGasfOu
United States1117 Posts
On August 12 2012 09:00 starception wrote: Foreigner team: Naniwa, Stephano, Thorzain, Scarlett, and Nerchio Korean team: Top 5 GSL It's qualification, not invitation like foreign tournies do. Probably at most one of them will qualify. | ||
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ShakkaFL
Norway647 Posts
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Capped
United Kingdom7236 Posts
On August 12 2012 09:16 Fubi wrote: Worst idea ever; I don't mind if it's just the finals, but GSL MUST let their players prepare days ahead for games, that's the whole selling point of their tournament. If we wanted another weekend figure-things-out-on-the-spot type tournament, we would of just watched MLG/HSC etc. On August 12 2012 09:17 Waxangel wrote: joke tournament -_-! On August 12 2012 09:22 Waxangel wrote: this just in: GomTV surrenders to OGN WAXANGEL, ANGRYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! Get him to do preview. GG No re. | ||
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mobbeh
United Kingdom25 Posts
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HakunaMatataSC
United Kingdom26 Posts
Love the return of the World Championship (albeit limited down to 5 a side like a football match between mates), just wondering what the selection method would be :O | ||
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TheBJ
Bulgaria906 Posts
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Blazinghand
United States25551 Posts
On August 12 2012 09:00 BathTubNZ wrote: So two weeks of GSL in 1 weekend? Doesn't that negate the whole 'planning for your opponent' aspect of GSL? Oh man you're right! It's all in one weekend. What... what a tragedy. GSL's whole thing is about planning and like, long series play and strategy. That's how they get the highest level play. I didn't even think of this. I take it back, I don't like this at all now ._. | ||
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Rescawen
Finland1028 Posts
Please hope the event will be 2 weeks long? impossible so the WC will rule and gsl finals suck | ||
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Kergy
Peru2011 Posts
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
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shabby
Norway6402 Posts
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
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namste
Finland2292 Posts
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CuteZergling
641 Posts
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revel8
United Kingdom3022 Posts
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Waxangel
United States33359 Posts
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Martyrc
217 Posts
On August 12 2012 09:00 starception wrote: Foreigner team: Naniwa, Stephano, Thorzain, Scarlett, and Nerchio Korean team: Top 5 GSL Ummm, no. Scarlett DEFINITELY doesn't belong. Sase, KAS, Beastyqt, (whitera?),Major, Vortix, Sheth, Ret, TitaN, Mana, Lucifron, and so many others are better. | ||
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Baffels
United States1486 Posts
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On August 12 2012 08:58 Fionn wrote: If you aren't watching IPL: San Francisco Face Off, it has been announced today that two GSL events will be hosted at the IPL5 event projected to be in October/November. GSL World Championship: A 5v5 show match between five of the best foreigners and five of the best Koreans. GSL 2012 Code S Season 4: The Ro8 through the grand finals will be played in Las Vegas at IPL5. More details about IPL5 will be announced on August 13th. So the Ro8 to the Finals becomes somewhat of a gauntlet? That's changing the complexion and practice time quite a bit, but meh considering how many one-sided affairs we get. Good on IGN getting full value with their deal with GOM. Considering our scene shows the love I don't see why not. *claps* | ||
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Herry
England681 Posts
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ShakkaFL
Norway647 Posts
On August 12 2012 09:24 Kergy wrote: Winner will be your Random weekend tournament #632 Champion, not a GSL Champion. pretty much, winner wont be worthy of the GSL gold pin. | ||
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ChuCky.Ca
Canada2497 Posts
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Waxangel
United States33359 Posts
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32740 Posts
My main worry with the GSL side is how much it changes the format of GSL, and makes it more of a weekend, ladder tournament. GSL is known for being the 2-3 month, methodical and preparing tournament, while crunching it into three days completely flips it around. | ||
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Oreo7
United States1647 Posts
On August 12 2012 09:00 BathTubNZ wrote: So two weeks of GSL in 1 weekend? Doesn't that negate the whole 'planning for your opponent' aspect of GSL? Yes. Seems stupid. | ||
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Acronysis
872 Posts
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feebas
Finland268 Posts
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Ventris
Germany1226 Posts
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Blazinghand
United States25551 Posts
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ES.Genie
Germany1370 Posts
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Lunit
United States183 Posts
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Nazeron
Canada1046 Posts
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MVega
763 Posts
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TR
2320 Posts
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holladoub
Canada32 Posts
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Apollo_Shards
1210 Posts
After I pay to have a laggy and broken sound stream I am sure as hell am not going to support this. If they managed to fuck up just two teams playing then good luck with actually trying to get these games done within 3 weeks. | ||
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SidewinderSC2
United States236 Posts
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ShakkaFL
Norway647 Posts
On August 12 2012 09:41 SidewinderSC2 wrote: WTF, this is awesome. Any GSL being played on the foreign scene is awesome. People are complaining about the lack of preparation time, yet MLGs are always huge events that everyone loves? theres a reason why GSL is the hardest tournament, and it has to do with the preparation | ||
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Ventris
Germany1226 Posts
On August 12 2012 09:41 SidewinderSC2 wrote: WTF, this is awesome. Any GSL being played on the foreign scene is awesome. People are complaining about the lack of preparation time, yet MLGs are always huge events that everyone loves? Preparation time is the thing that elevates the GSL above a one weekend LAN. Take it away and its just another cup. | ||
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32740 Posts
On August 12 2012 09:41 SidewinderSC2 wrote: WTF, this is awesome. Any GSL being played on the foreign scene is awesome. People are complaining about the lack of preparation time, yet MLGs are always huge events that everyone loves? The problem isn't with MLG-style tournaments, it's because having a GSL at IPL5 goes against the whole format of GSL, which is supposed to be the preparation tournaments. | ||
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Zergtastic
Australia81 Posts
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LovE-
United States1963 Posts
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kiy0
Portugal593 Posts
On August 12 2012 09:01 Klipsys wrote: Not scarlett. I'd say mana or maybe maybe major. LOL at this. | ||
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Demorase
136 Posts
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PH
United States6173 Posts
On August 12 2012 09:03 Rosettastoned wrote: I am not a fan of this.... You're going to sacrifice the entire entegrety of the GSL championship to host it here.... -.- What's entegrety? | ||
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Zer atai
United States691 Posts
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feanor1
United States1899 Posts
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Hiea
Denmark1538 Posts
Liquid'HerO Liquid'TaeJa CreatorPrime ByunPrime MarineKingPrime QuanticTheStC BboongBboongPrime viOLet TSL_Polt Fnatic_aLive All of these players are either currently in Code S or has the chance to get into Code S via the Up N' Down matches, this is 10 players, and I would say there is a very high chance that atleast 3-4 of them will make it to the Ro8, now this would for those players to either play in two tournaments or cancel one. Honestly I'm extremely disappointed by how this was organized, did no one at GomTV check their player list? | ||
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Sc2Null
United States3754 Posts
those are my picks anyway | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
The World Championship is fine, don't bring GSL there... | ||
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yeeshdontjudgeme
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Gorlin
United States2753 Posts
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subV
United States93 Posts
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waki
58 Posts
On August 12 2012 09:57 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote: I have no problem if the GSL finals was held at the IPL, but the whole Ro8 and on is just ridiculous and incredibly unnecessary. There's a reason why the GSL is held the way it is and that it results in high level gameplay almost all the time. Take it away and you have yourself just another tournament with a lot of prize money. Not to mention the fact that it's going to be a competition on which tournament gets more attention. Absolutely terrible. this ^ | ||
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Waxangel
United States33359 Posts
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zeratul_jf
United States808 Posts
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Hiea
Denmark1538 Posts
On August 12 2012 09:57 Gorlin wrote: I reaaaally don't like that they're condensing the GSL like that. It's like it's not even GSL any more. People should stop thinking only about that, and thing more about the bigger issue here that there is 10 players right now who is either in Code S or can get in Code S that are also qualified for IPL 5, forcing them to drop a tournament or play in both. | ||
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yoshi245
United States2969 Posts
On August 12 2012 09:00 Glurkenspurk wrote: Well let's just hope they let GOM do all the production. Absolutely vital. | ||
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Fubi
2228 Posts
On August 12 2012 09:41 SidewinderSC2 wrote: WTF, this is awesome. Any GSL being played on the foreign scene is awesome. People are complaining about the lack of preparation time, yet MLGs are always huge events that everyone loves? The thing is, we love both, because they are different kind of tournament; we're complaining because GSL is taking away that difference that made them unique. There are people that love watching UFC and WWE, because they different kind of entertainment; and this is like UFC switching to the drama-centric story driven fighting, it's stupid. | ||
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kaetor
New Zealand292 Posts
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Hiea
Denmark1538 Posts
On August 12 2012 09:59 Fubi wrote: The thing is, we love both, because they are different kind of tournament; we're complaining because GSL is taking away that difference that made them unique. There are people that love watching UFC and WWE, because they different kind of entertainment; and this is like UFC switching to the drama-centric story driven fighting, it's stupid. I don't care as much about that, more the fact that this potentially forces 8 out of 10 out of 32 players to play 2 tournaments. | ||
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Enel
Sudan430 Posts
On August 12 2012 09:19 Denzil wrote: Nestea and MVP will be fine Naniwa on the other hand would crash and burn in such circumstances naniwa actually has sum of the sickest winstreaks at all kinds of tournaments vs koreans | ||
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TommyP
United States6231 Posts
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TommyP
United States6231 Posts
On August 12 2012 09:59 Hiea wrote: People should stop thinking only about that, and thing more about the bigger issue here that there is 10 players right now who is either in Code S or can get in Code S that are also qualified for IPL 5, forcing them to drop a tournament or play in both. Either they wont play IPL5 or they will just play both. Honestly playing the GSL games wont be time consuming at all. | ||
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Synche
United States1345 Posts
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Qikz
United Kingdom12022 Posts
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ethostar
Canada5 Posts
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Demorase
136 Posts
Yeah they'll have less preparation time but I don't think it's such a big deal, they will "prepare to having less preparation"  | ||
Epoxide
Magic Woods9326 Posts
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Corrosive
Canada3741 Posts
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Arceus
Vietnam8333 Posts
On August 12 2012 10:01 Hiea wrote: I don't care as much about that, more the fact that this potentially forces 8 out of 10 out of 32 players to play 2 tournaments. I care about the single hardest, most prestigious tournament of SC2 losing its prestige due to some business decision and yet another 3-day weekend tourney | ||
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Vorenius
Denmark1979 Posts
On August 12 2012 10:06 Demorase wrote: I'm not sure why everyone's overreacting like this. These are pros, they're adaptable, it's not like they're gonna fall apart just cause they have to play matches closer than usual, they'll be fine. Yeah they'll have less preparation time but I don't think it's such a big deal, they will "prepare to having less preparation" They will play worse matches. How can that ever be a good idea? :s | ||
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Bippzy
United States1466 Posts
However, it will be epic. And all of you poopy pants can call it [b]The "Gauntlet" GSL". Itll have less prestige, but its neccesary with wcs | ||
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DaPhoToss
Canada14 Posts
Korean team: Taeja, MC, Leenock/Symbol/DRG/ Squirtle/Seed/MKP The only two players who will DEFINATLY be on the Korean team are Taeja or MC Unless they go by GSL results only like last time. | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On August 12 2012 10:10 Bippzy wrote: Look, it will be epic, not as epic nor hyped as GSL normally is. However, it will be epic. And all of you poopy pants can call it [b]The "Gauntlet" GSL". Itll have less prestige, but its neccesary with wcs I would gladly accept a weekend tournament WCS so this wouldn't have to happen. | ||
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Gorilla23
United States339 Posts
On August 12 2012 10:09 Vorenius wrote: They will play worse matches. How can that ever be a good idea? :s This. Who knows how much time they simply spend watching the VODs of their opponents. Really, I can't imagine the games being as great as the last couple seasons. | ||
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uikos
United States132 Posts
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mordk
Chile8385 Posts
On August 12 2012 10:08 Arceus wrote: I care about the single hardest, most prestigious tournament of SC2 losing its prestige due to some business decision and yet another 3-day weekend tourney It's not gonna lose its prestige because a single season is played in a different format. I agree that it's odd and it may affect the quality of the games, but it's done, and whatever, hope for the best. Most likely next season is gonna be normal. | ||
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indxrje
227 Posts
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Hall0wed
United States8486 Posts
BTW anyone who doesn't realize how silly this is really does not understand anything about leagues like GSL and how they are meant to be played. | ||
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ES.Genie
Germany1370 Posts
On August 12 2012 10:06 Demorase wrote: I'm not sure why everyone's overreacting like this. These are pros, they're adaptable, it's not like they're gonna fall apart just cause they have to play matches closer than usual, they'll be fine. Yeah they'll have less preparation time but I don't think it's such a big deal, they will "prepare to having less preparation" I don't care if they can handle the pressure or not - the decision to do this is still bullshit. There is a reason why GSL is pretty much the only tournament I follow really close and this completely takes away everything I love about it. | ||
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Demorase
136 Posts
On August 12 2012 10:09 Vorenius wrote: They will play worse matches. How can that ever be a good idea? :s Depends, they could end up playing better with all the adrenaline flowing. Plus they don't play that much to begin with, it's like two bo3s and one bo7 at most for the two finalists, like I said they'll be just fine. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25085 Posts
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soulist
United States932 Posts
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Ace1123
Philippines1187 Posts
On August 12 2012 09:00 starception wrote: Foreigner team: Naniwa, Stephano, Thorzain, Scarlett, and Nerchio Korean team: Top 5 GSL You should replace scarlett with Mana, :D | ||
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Castles
Canada77 Posts
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Demorase
136 Posts
On August 12 2012 10:12 ES.Genie wrote: I don't care if they can handle the pressure or not - the decision to do this is still bullshit. There is a reason why GSL is pretty much the only tournament I follow really close and this completely takes away everything I love about it. Nah, you like the GSL because they have the best players and Tastosis, has nothing to do with the format. They'll have all that, just more exciting but shorter. | ||
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munchmunch
Canada789 Posts
On August 12 2012 09:59 Fubi wrote: It's not that bad. A better analogy would be Wimbledon switching from grass to clay. The thing is, we love both, because they are different kind of tournament; we're complaining because GSL is taking away that difference that made them unique. There are people that love watching UFC and WWE, because they different kind of entertainment; and this is like UFC switching to the drama-centric story driven fighting, it's stupid. | ||
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Wrathsc2
United States2025 Posts
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Neurosis
United States893 Posts
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althaz
Australia1001 Posts
#1) The time of the event will make it difficult for Australians and Koreans to watch, most likely. One of the reasons GSL is my favourite tournament (aside from having the best players and games), is that it's on at a time suitable for barcrafts or parties at my place. #2) Ro8 players are not usually the top 8 o the tournaments, it's possible to just prepare better and get that far, but have pretty average standard play. To get further than that you need to be a bona-fide starcraft master, except in this tournament. You could prepare good builds then run up against somebody good enough to beat you in normal GSL anyway, because they can prepare for your cheese. Except instead of getting eliminated by a better opponent, the cheese is totally unexpected and we get a worse player through to Ro4 who will most likely play bad games AGAIN. All that said, I'll still watch and the crowd will probably be sick as hell. | ||
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ES.Genie
Germany1370 Posts
On August 12 2012 10:16 Demorase wrote: Nah, you like the GSL because they have the best players and Tastosis, has nothing to do with the format. They'll have all that, just more exciting but shorter. So...are you seriously trying to tell me why I like the GSL? oO EDIT: Actually by making it shorter they take away most of the exitement. I don't care about weekend tournaments. They are boring and no one remembers them after a couple of weeks. That's not GSL. | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On August 12 2012 10:16 Demorase wrote: Nah, you like the GSL because they have the best players and Tastosis, has nothing to do with the format. They'll have all that, just more exciting but shorter. I'm glad you know what everyone likes and can tell them. | ||
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Proseat
Germany5113 Posts
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GoSuChicken
Germany1726 Posts
Manuel Schenkhuizen @followgrubby Super exciting you'll have #GSL Ro8-Finals at IPL 5, this means finals will probably not be a 4-0 cuz no special preps. #GOOD @IGNProLeague | ||
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ArcticRaven
France1406 Posts
On August 12 2012 10:15 soulist wrote: My foreign 5: Stephano, Naniwa, Mana, Nerchio, and Demuslim(dont think hes top 5 but there needs to be a terran and he seems to be the best foreign terran atm) Foreign terrans ? What's that ?  Also all you people need to calm down. Do we know it will be played over a weekend ? We don't. Wait for mor info before bashing please. | ||
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TommyP
United States6231 Posts
On August 12 2012 10:19 Proseat wrote: November will be too late for the fifth GSL season and Blizzard Cup. I think IPL5 will be in September. No it wont be. We still have season 4 coming up and then Season 5 at IPL5 and then Blizzard Cup is what im guessing. | ||
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Demorase
136 Posts
On August 12 2012 10:18 ES.Genie wrote: So...are you seriously trying to tell me why I like the GSL? oO You know I'm right, you'll be posting months from now how the event was the most epic finals and stuff On August 12 2012 10:18 Dodgin wrote: I'm glad you know what everyone likes and can tell them. And you are? xD | ||
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TommyP
United States6231 Posts
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munchmunch
Canada789 Posts
On August 12 2012 10:16 Demorase wrote: It's not that at all. The GSL has the best players *at playing preparation style tournaments*. They're the players who know how to spend a weeks time preparing for a single opponent. Seeing the GSL R8 players compete in a weekend tournament isn't that meaningful.Nah, you like the GSL because they have the best players and Tastosis, has nothing to do with the format. They'll have all that, just more exciting but shorter. | ||
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careohx
263 Posts
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captainwaffles
United States1050 Posts
Korean Team: MKP, MC, Taeja, DRG, Nestea | ||
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ES.Genie
Germany1370 Posts
On August 12 2012 10:23 Demorase wrote: You know I'm right, you'll be posting months from now how the event was the most epic finals and stuff No. End of the discussion, since you are obviously trolling. | ||
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Demorase
136 Posts
On August 12 2012 10:27 ES.Genie wrote: No. End of the discussion, since you are obviously trolling. Haha alright, gotta love the open-mindedness :p | ||
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sashamunguia
Mexico423 Posts
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jobber123rd
United States501 Posts
On August 12 2012 10:18 althaz wrote: #2) Ro8 players are not usually the top 8 o the tournaments, it's possible to just prepare better and get that far, but have pretty average standard play. To get further than that you need to be a bona-fide starcraft master, except in this tournament. You could prepare good builds then run up against somebody good enough to beat you in normal GSL anyway, because they can prepare for your cheese. Except instead of getting eliminated by a better opponent, the cheese is totally unexpected and we get a worse player through to Ro4 who will most likely play bad games AGAIN. All that said, I'll still watch and the crowd will probably be sick as hell. All that means is that your Ro8 foe failed to prepare adequately for his one and only known opponent, so he deserved to lose anyway. A much better argument is that the eventual finalists wouldn't have much/any time to prepare for each other. Edit: Alternatively, the Ro8 quality could be affected by jet lag and/or players trying to do double duty, but both of these are somewhat schedule-dependent. | ||
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Grimbob
United Kingdom8 Posts
Seriously though, the GSL has a history of having boring and one sided finals. Maybe without all the preparation time for the players to engineer specific builds that just 4-0 hard counter their opponent's playstyle, the finals will be a lot better. I think this is just going to make an awesome weekend of games. I'd even dare to say that, if this works out, it could be the most exciting final yet. | ||
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SolidMoose
United States1240 Posts
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Proseat
Germany5113 Posts
On August 12 2012 10:22 TommyP wrote: No it wont be. We still have season 4 coming up and then Season 5 at IPL5 and then Blizzard Cup is what im guessing. Who says GSL season 5 will be played at IPL5? I am assuming it's season 4, which only starts at the end of the month because of WCS Korea being broadcast by GOM currently. And that then lines up nicely with the end of September (maybe early October) for Ro8. | ||
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Demorase
136 Posts
On August 12 2012 10:32 Grimbob wrote: Seriously though, the GSL has a history of having boring and one sided finals. Maybe without all the preparation time for the players to engineer specific builds that just 4-0 hard counter their opponent's playstyle, the finals will be a lot better. I think this is just going to make an awesome weekend of games. I'd even dare to say that, if this works out, it could be the most exciting final yet. After last finals they really need something special like this to make up for it. | ||
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munchmunch
Canada789 Posts
On August 12 2012 10:32 Grimbob wrote: I think we can all agree that weekend tournaments lead to a lot of exciting and nailbiting finals. Great fun to watch. Preparation tournaments can be a little more boring. But we already have lots of weekend tournaments, we don't need GSL to fill that role. Whereas we don't have an excess of (live / on-site) preparation tournaments at the moment.Yeah, I get why you're all so annoyed. Having all those games over one weekend is going to ruin the normally prestigious and spectacular GSL Code S finals... Seriously though, the GSL has a history of having boring and one sided finals. Maybe without all the preparation time for the players to engineer specific builds that just 4-0 hard counter their opponent's playstyle, the finals will be a lot better. I think this is just going to make an awesome weekend of games. I'd even dare to say that, if this works out, it could be the most exciting final yet. | ||
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diArcipE
Norway8 Posts
MC > MVP > DRG > Taeja > MKP Best supporter and fan. ME | ||
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ES.Genie
Germany1370 Posts
On August 12 2012 10:30 Demorase wrote: Haha alright, gotta love the open-mindedness :p So you telling me what I like is "open-mindedness"?^^ | ||
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Demorase
136 Posts
On August 12 2012 10:38 munchmunch wrote: I think we can all agree that weekend tournaments lead to a lot of exciting and nailbiting finals. Great fun to watch. Preparation tournaments can be a little more boring. But we already have lots of weekend tournaments, we don't need GSL to fill that role I'll take a great exciting event and finals over a boring 4-0 finals with no tension any time. You're entitled to like the boring finals of course. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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RealQ
1120 Posts
Oh mana.. kk good. | ||
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JKM
Denmark419 Posts
Team Liquid should send IPL a thanks card for this. Considering how Taeja seems to have flair for low-preparation games, having little to no preparation time for ro4 and the finals should be in his favour (assuming he makes it to ro8 again + wins ro8!). Edit: Oh yeah let me suggest a foreigner team. Pick whoever wins WCS Europe, WCS NA, WCS SA, WCS Oceania, and WCS Asia (best non-korean). (assuming these events are held before IPL 5). If I were to pick 5 players, I'd go with: Zerg: Stephano + Nerchio. Terran: Kas + Major. Protoss: Naniwa + Macsed. | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On August 12 2012 10:32 Grimbob wrote: Yeah, I get why you're all so annoyed. Having all those games over one weekend is going to ruin the normally prestigious and spectacular GSL Code S finals... Seriously though, the GSL has a history of having boring and one sided finals. Maybe without all the preparation time for the players to engineer specific builds that just 4-0 hard counter their opponent's playstyle, the finals will be a lot better. I think this is just going to make an awesome weekend of games. I'd even dare to say that, if this works out, it could be the most exciting final yet. Did you miss Mvp vs Squirtle, MMA vs DRG, Leenock vs Jjakji? | ||
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chindy
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bokchoi
Korea (South)9498 Posts
.. jetlag + 2 major tournaments.. thats gonna be insanity for anyone trying that | ||
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setzer
United States3284 Posts
On August 12 2012 10:32 Grimbob wrote: Yeah, I get why you're all so annoyed. Having all those games over one weekend is going to ruin the normally prestigious and spectacular GSL Code S finals... Seriously though, the GSL has a history of having boring and one sided finals. Maybe without all the preparation time for the players to engineer specific builds that just 4-0 hard counter their opponent's playstyle, the finals will be a lot better. I think this is just going to make an awesome weekend of games. I'd even dare to say that, if this works out, it could be the most exciting final yet. As if there hasn't been terrible finals on weekend tournaments, recently NASL S3 being one of the worst I've ever seen. | ||
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TommyP
United States6231 Posts
On August 12 2012 10:51 Dodgin wrote: Did you miss Mvp vs Squirtle, MMA vs DRG, Leenock vs Jjakji? Yeah Game 7 MMA v. DRG was probably the greatest ever game given the circumstances (and Artosis going crazy.) And MVP v. Squirtle and MMA v. DRG were just unbelievably incredible series. Leenock vs. Jjakji I wouldlnt put quite on the level of MVP/Squirtle and MMA/DRG but it was still a fantastic series as well. | ||
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markrevival
United States222 Posts
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Kergy
Peru2011 Posts
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WackaAlpaca
Canada208 Posts
... 5v5 foreigners... seriously... why? thats not even competitive... god damnit i hate foriegners, why cant they all just stay in their kiddie leagues | ||
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forsooth
United States3648 Posts
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Felvo
United States124 Posts
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starception
205 Posts
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shineq
United Kingdom1453 Posts
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JoeAWESOME
Sweden1080 Posts
I think the Korean team will be Nestea, DongRaeGu, MC, MVP and Seed | ||
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Carras
Argentina860 Posts
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Thinasy
2856 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15665 Posts
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McFeser
United States2458 Posts
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Antoine
United States7481 Posts
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Laplaces_imp
368 Posts
I love IPL but the production for IPL TAC finals was pretty bad so they are really going to need to step up their game there at least. | ||
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IPA
United States3206 Posts
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IPA
United States3206 Posts
On August 12 2012 11:18 Thinasy wrote: Sigh is all I can say, fuck this season of GSL then Drama queen | ||
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bittman
Australia8759 Posts
Preparation games are what make GSL awesome. If I wanted a lot of games to happen quickly with no time to get hyped between games as a huge test of endurance I'd watch MLG or IPL or IEM or everyothertournamentthatdoesitlikethisalready. World championship I'm ok with in this style since it's hard to organise people. GSL Ro8->Finals I'm not happy with. I don't know if I'm part of a vocal minority or there's a large contingent of people with the same outlook as me =/ | ||
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VirgilSC2
United States6151 Posts
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WigglingSquid
5194 Posts
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Rube_Juice
Canada348 Posts
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Aegeis
United States1619 Posts
In my opinion with the community feedback I do hope they just make it the GSL finals solely along with the World Tournament. | ||
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
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Shiori
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Underkoffer
Netherlands53 Posts
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bittman
Australia8759 Posts
On August 12 2012 11:28 Aegeis wrote: Everyone is getting their panties in a bunch, regardless of the preparation time that makes GSL unique. IPL 5 will still be a amazing event with having GSL finals there. In my opinion with the community feedback I do hope they just make it the GSL finals solely along with the World Tournament. Oh I agree. IPL5 will be an amazing event with having the GSL finals there. Ro 8 and Ro 4 though =/ That's actually my concern. I totally want to see the finals there though. GSL finals at Blizzcon had THE best crowd. Honestly bar none. | ||
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WniO
United States2706 Posts
tastosis? | ||
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32740 Posts
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Lennient
497 Posts
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Nuubie
Sweden66 Posts
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MCDayC
United Kingdom14464 Posts
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kanu_knl
United States83 Posts
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Pimpmuckl
Germany528 Posts
No preparation for guys who are used to preparation? Sounds odd, sorry | ||
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Aegeis
United States1619 Posts
On August 12 2012 11:30 WniO wrote: I heard people like to complain. I wish I could go tastosis?Yeah I'd say it would be 99% Tastosis would be there, GSL is their main job. | ||
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Majynx
United States1431 Posts
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glzElectromaster
Japan2474 Posts
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Condor Hero
United States2931 Posts
On August 12 2012 11:38 glzElectromaster wrote: I could stand Ro4 and the Finals. But Ro8 as well????? I hope IPL doesn't kill it like Prime vs Startale or the terrible production today... Prime vs Startale was done by GOM crew. | ||
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ThreeActPlay
United States249 Posts
Imagine if the last OSL had the ro8 and finals all in a weekend. How awful would that have been? | ||
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Chaggi
Korea (South)1936 Posts
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AndAgain
United States2621 Posts
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TeMiL
Peru545 Posts
i want it :D | ||
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AgentChaos
United Kingdom4569 Posts
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Vasily17
Canada55 Posts
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Demorase
136 Posts
MLG finals have historically been considerably better than GSL finals after all. | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On August 12 2012 11:47 Demorase wrote: Like someone else said, GOM's intention is probably to mess around with the format to see if less preparation can lead to better finals, especially after the last finals that left many disappointed. MLG finals have historically been considerably better than GSL finals after all. The only good MLG finals I can think of are DRG vs Marineking and that's because of who they are and not the format. | ||
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FXOBoSs
337 Posts
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throttled
United States382 Posts
On August 12 2012 09:00 starception wrote: Foreigner team: Naniwa, Stephano, Thorzain, Major, and Vortix Korean team: Top 5 GSL Fixed | ||
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NOOBALOPSE
Canada802 Posts
On August 12 2012 09:01 Klipsys wrote: Not scarlett. I'd say mana or maybe maybe major. ROFL not scarlett?? Are you crazy? Scarlett is better than Nerchio, thorzain, MaNa, AND Major.... You clearly haven't watched her play very much... Also, you forgot about VortiX... Should be NaNi, Stephano, Scarlett, VortiX, and SaSe or ThorZaIN or Nerchio | ||
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JacobShock
Denmark2485 Posts
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VirgilSC2
United States6151 Posts
On August 12 2012 11:54 FXOBoSs wrote: Congratulations IPL... Your desperation, and GOM's apparently, has just made the RO8 onwards completely random. Perhaps Bitbybit can win code S this season... I would love if he came back and won Code S. No joke. | ||
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Bippzy
United States1466 Posts
On August 12 2012 10:11 Dodgin wrote: I would gladly accept a weekend tournament WCS so this wouldn't have to happen. I think I would too. But, it appears to be too late for that. If you think about it, Gom's perspective: -we fly our whole crew out to do a shit ton of games instead of a bo7. More utilitarian. -how do they get the 2012 schedule in order? This. - although many bitches and moans will be had, the crowd for foreigners vs koreans and GSL finals(semifinals and ro8 probably too, to a less extent) will be CRAZY and it will be epic just because of the quality of their players(I see it as a they have one nighht to prep for a match(the players will be having the time of their life and being really tired), and based off of the skill level of players at IPL tac on the spot, gsl players dont dissapoint. Fan perspective: -championship worth something in between winning an arena of legends tournament and something like the world championship. Until someone gives a name for it, I'll think of it as the gauntlet gsl. -ridiculous starpower overwhelming everywhere onto everyone at ipl5. So many good players make soo many good games. -The games will still be good, not as good as prepared matches, but hype all over and live in somewhere not korea=all nerds change pants. So although it ruins the prestige format of the GSL, the incredibly skilled and hype matches the fans get live, the working out of gom's schedule, and the fact that this isn't their new format, it's a one time thing will cause IPL5 hosting GSL to be a huge success. P.S. Gom did give season ticket holders a discount for wcs, so the argument that fans didnt get what they paid for is kinda moot. This announcement caused waxangel to go on a posting rampage, it really is kinda funny. Obviously gom will be doing the production. Besides, IPL has pretty good production in my memory with the exception of the most recent event(read: lay off them a little, they won't do the next tournament worse) Edit: P.S.S. Many of my trusted posters are actually massively against this. It's possible I'm just defending for the sake of defending, or that i can tolerate what appears to be a win-win situation with minor setbacks. | ||
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Demorase
136 Posts
On August 12 2012 11:51 Dodgin wrote: The only good MLG finals I can think of are DRG vs Marineking and that's because of who they are and not the format. And how many good GSL finals has there been, not that many either. From a business and publicity stand point, I guess GOM can't afford to have bad finals happen so often; when people take their time to come see the finals and it's over super quickly in a very one-sidded way, it's not good to promote the game. | ||
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sLideSC2
United States225 Posts
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-niL
Canada1131 Posts
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CatNzHat
United States1599 Posts
On August 12 2012 09:00 Glurkenspurk wrote: Well let's just hope they let GOM do all the production. GOM brought their own production team last time, I'm sure they'll do the same this time. Not like the IPL production crew isn't amazing though. I'm hoping that I'll finally be able to attend this time. | ||
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whodat92
United States48 Posts
On August 12 2012 11:08 markrevival wrote: they will have time to prepare for the ro8, the ro4 they will probably have at least several hours, and the final, they'll have a full day. that's far more prep time than most tournaments That amount of time is nothing. From Ro8 on, I'm guessing most players spend days upon days watching VODs, creating builds, practicing the builds, refining the builds, preparing for builds that they think their opponent will use, etc. | ||
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Headnoob
Australia2108 Posts
pretty fuckn shit. | ||
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MCXD
Australia2738 Posts
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T0fuuu
Australia2275 Posts
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stratmatt
United States913 Posts
On August 12 2012 12:04 Headnoob wrote: Do not like the idea at all, especially when the GSL finals probably won't air at a great time to watch if it's being held in the US. pretty fuckn shit. not for us americans! | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
I'm sorry but this sounds like a terrible idea. Not only does it ruin the best thing about GSL, the preparation time for matches, but its going to ruin IPL 5 because there will be so little time. IPL and GOM really need to rethink this. | ||
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Tausken
United States81 Posts
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Assirra
Belgium4169 Posts
On August 12 2012 12:02 CatNzHat wrote: GOM brought their own production team last time, I'm sure they'll do the same this time. Not like the IPL production crew isn't amazing though. I'm hoping that I'll finally be able to attend this time. Amazing is not the word i would use after previous IPL and IPL tac tonight. | ||
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On August 12 2012 12:01 -niL wrote: I bet MarineKing is squealing from the happiness He still needs to make ro8... His stumblimg block lately have been ro16 | ||
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Moonling
United States987 Posts
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eFonSG
United States255 Posts
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Demorase
136 Posts
On August 12 2012 12:05 MCXD wrote: People should consider the fact that not only will there be no time to prepare, but there will also be the additional stress of travel, eating, possibly jetlag, etc. It's an incredibly tough environment to have to play in, which greatly advantages particular players rather arbitrarily, rather than on their playing skill. I.e. This isn't just about the lack of prep time. there is a ton of other circumstances that will ultimately make it a battle of "who's luckiest to not get sick and get a good rest". Being the best at preparing specific builds (preparation) is arguably just as arbitrary as being the best at playing under stress on the fly (stamina and quick thinking). | ||
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TommyP
United States6231 Posts
On August 12 2012 11:17 JoeAWESOME wrote: Hopefully the foreigner will be: Stephano, Nerchio, Major, Naniwa and Thorzain!! I think the Korean team will be Nestea, DongRaeGu, MC, MVP and Seed If they are going off of achievements probably. If they are going off who gives them the best chance to win then TaeJa is on the team for sure. | ||
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Lukeeze[zR]
Switzerland6838 Posts
On August 12 2012 12:11 eFonSG wrote: We've had this exact same shit before and it went well, why the sudden hate? If you're referring to blizzcon, it was just the grand final. Here we're talking about ro4 and grand final being played with few preparation and a whole other event (IPL5) being played at the same time. | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On August 12 2012 12:11 eFonSG wrote: We've had this exact same shit before and it went well, why the sudden hate? no we haven't. we have never had the ro8 onward of GSL over the course of a weekend outside of Korea. We have had the finals. thats it. this is a terrible idea. and it will end terribly. | ||
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zen22
United States152 Posts
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Assirra
Belgium4169 Posts
On August 12 2012 12:12 TommyP wrote: If they are going off of achievements probably. If they are going off who gives them the best chance to win then TaeJa is on the team for sure. Teaja on the world team simply seems wrong tough. | ||
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On August 12 2012 12:11 eFonSG wrote: We've had this exact same shit before and it went well, why the sudden hate? It is not the exact same shit. If it is just the finals, then yes, it would just be like MVP vs MMA. But moving the entire Ro8 to a single weekend drastically changes the preparation format compare to normal GSL. | ||
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DrHiggins
United States26 Posts
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Mlex
Canada324 Posts
On August 12 2012 12:04 Headnoob wrote: Do not like the idea at all, especially when the GSL finals probably won't air at a great time to watch if it's being held in the US. pretty fuckn shit. When everyone in NA has to watch the GSL at 5/6 AM... Yeah, one GSL won't hurt buddy. | ||
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Catatonic
United States699 Posts
On August 12 2012 09:01 Blazinghand wrote: Sounds fun! GOM events overseas are always interesting. E: Man, I really don't think the format will be fitting. As others have pointed out, playing several rounds of GSL in one weekend is... well, it's not GSL-like at all. I take it back, I take it all back. ._. gom please save us Ro8 isn't several rounds did you even do the math :l thats Ro8, Ro4, Championship :l sooooooooooooo yea no it's fine and you're freaking out about it for absolutely no reason. | ||
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schmitty9800
United States390 Posts
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TommyP
United States6231 Posts
On August 12 2012 12:04 Headnoob wrote: Do not like the idea at all, especially when the GSL finals probably won't air at a great time to watch if it's being held in the US. pretty fuckn shit. DUDE!! America has to watch GSL at bad times all the time. Its roughly 5am-8am for me and that is literally the worst possible time. We are forced to do it for every single match. doing it for one weekend will not hurt you. IM sorry i feel no sympathy for you. | ||
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RayN
Canada139 Posts
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On August 12 2012 12:14 zen22 wrote: god its just for 1 season of gsl you guys. just let them do there thing. Change isn't always bad. Yes, it is for one season. But we already have a lot of weekend style offline events. Althought with WCG, OSL, and WCS() in Korea, we have more preparation events as well. | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On August 12 2012 12:05 MCXD wrote: People should consider the fact that not only will there be no time to prepare, but there will also be the additional stress of travel, eating, possibly jetlag, etc. It's an incredibly tough environment to have to play in, which greatly advantages particular players rather arbitrarily, rather than on their playing skill. I.e. This isn't just about the lack of prep time. there is a ton of other circumstances that will ultimately make it a battle of "who's luckiest to not get sick and get a good rest". If they are having the entire GSL single elimination phase of the tournament at IPL5 I would expect them to fly the players in a week early and get them adjusted to the time zone. | ||
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hangene92
Canada258 Posts
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TommyP
United States6231 Posts
On August 12 2012 12:16 schmitty9800 wrote: If you think that Korean teams won't have their players well-prepared for their RO8 opponent and EVERYONE on the other side of the bracket, then lol. So you expect them to prepare for 7 oppenents??? | ||
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On August 12 2012 12:16 schmitty9800 wrote: If you think that Korean teams won't have their players well-prepared for their RO8 opponent and EVERYONE on the other side of the bracket, then lol. Lol, it is a lot easier to prepare for 1 opponent compare to 7... | ||
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.Sic.
Korea (South)497 Posts
On August 12 2012 09:00 starception wrote: Foreigner team: Naniwa, Stephano, Thorzain, Scarlett, and Nerchio Korean team: Top 5 GSL Foreigner team: Incontrol, Avilo, ActionJesuz | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On August 12 2012 12:11 eFonSG wrote: We've had this exact same shit before and it went well, why the sudden hate? We had a GSL finals overseas, people have no problem with this. Having the entire ro8 ro4 and finals in one weekend overseas is what people are against. | ||
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Catatonic
United States699 Posts
On August 12 2012 12:12 TommyP wrote: If they are going off of achievements probably. If they are going off who gives them the best chance to win then TaeJa is on the team for sure. I would think MVP, MC, NesTea, DRG, an either MKP or Squirtle all give better chances of winning and all have more achievements as well so Taeja would only make it on based on popular vote. | ||
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Aerisky
United States12129 Posts
On August 12 2012 12:20 Dodgin wrote: We had a GSL finals overseas, people have no problem with this. Having the entire ro8 ro4 and finals in one weekend overseas is what people are against. This precisely. Having that all put into one weekend....well it really kills the preparation and the hype. GSL/OSL/MSL etc always had those time periods for which players really could tailor specific builds on specific maps for specific players. Having to play all those games in that tiny period of time...well it's quite a departure from that tournament style and could make it significantly less interesting to watch. Not to mention we won't be able to look forward to and hype each series... | ||
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setzer
United States3284 Posts
On August 12 2012 11:56 Demorase wrote: And how many good GSL finals has there been, not that many either. From a business and publicity stand point, I guess GOM can't afford to have bad finals happen so often; when people take their time to come see the finals and it's over super quickly in a very one-sidded way, it's not good to promote the game. More than MLG that is for sure. Everything is better than the old extended series bo3 finals. | ||
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magnaflow
Canada1521 Posts
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Gorilla23
United States339 Posts
On August 12 2012 12:15 Mlex wrote: When everyone in NA has to watch the GSL at 5/6 AM... Yeah, one GSL won't hurt buddy. I completely disagree. I live in NA. I usually watch the VODs. Sometimes I stay up late to catch a few of the matches. | ||
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densha
United States797 Posts
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Enel
Sudan430 Posts
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frogrubdown
1266 Posts
On August 12 2012 09:19 Denzil wrote: Nestea and MVP will be fine Naniwa on the other hand would crash and burn in such circumstances I have no idea where the myth of Naniwa's superiority at prepared matches came from. He's had a ton of great weekend lan results and if you compare his record in them and the best players he's beaten in them to what he's done in the GSL it's no contest. In general the TL community seems to vastly inflate the difference in various players' performance between the two formats of tournament due to a combination of unfounded dogma and absurdly short memory. | ||
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TommyP
United States6231 Posts
On August 12 2012 12:35 Gorilla23 wrote: I completely disagree. I live in NA. I usually watch the VODs. Sometimes I stay up late to catch a few of the matches. A lot of people dont have a subscription and there is nothing like watching it live. | ||
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GenesisX
Canada4267 Posts
As for the Team Challenge, I love the idea. The first "korea vs world" that GOM hosted was amazing, hopefully they can get more than 5 players on each team  I'd like to see: Stephano, Nerchio, Sen, TLO, Thorzain? Foreign zergs are fun to watch | ||
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RaiKageRyu
Canada4773 Posts
GOM was probably like "hey we had a deal with IPL to do another GSL event but team league won't be ready by then and GSL can't either unless we shorten it." Only one they can shorten is the GSL. GOM has always liked to dabble in formats and switching things up (if you saw their original plan for 2011, it was much more varied). So they probably didn't think too much of it. Plus it's necessary as GOM runs on a per year overall season as well. Personally, while I prefer the traditional way GSL is run. Having it run Gauntlet-style is a nice change of pace. It's still not all run in one day like MLG and etc. One round of per day with final being focused as the main even isn't as bad. Thought just occurred to me... GOM said they wanted to have Psy perform Gangnam style at next GSL Finals. Next GSL finals at IPL, which is at Las Vegas. Psy flying over and performing Gangnam Style?! HOLY CHECK!!! | ||
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the_business_og
United States167 Posts
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On August 12 2012 12:47 the_business_og wrote: Why is everyone bitching?more starcraft on a weekend? imo the two hardest tournaments on the same weekend?? plus all gslro8 players in ipl5? sounds dope super excited because it fucking sucks for players. | ||
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BlueBird.
United States3889 Posts
I don't mind them messing around with tournament format, I think it adds a interesting dynamic. I think it would be weird if they suddenly did this for the rest of the tournaments, but doubt that's going to happen. | ||
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Daniel C
Hong Kong1606 Posts
On August 12 2012 12:19 .Sic. wrote: Foreigner team: Incontrol, Avilo, ActionJesuz lol troll team... | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On August 12 2012 12:39 frogrubdown wrote: I have no idea where the myth of Naniwa's superiority at prepared matches came from. He's had a ton of great weekend lan results and if you compare his record in them and the best players he's beaten in them to what he's done in the GSL it's no contest. In general the TL community seems to vastly inflate the difference in various players' performance between the two formats of tournament due to a combination of unfounded dogma and absurdly short memory. Absurdly short memory is to blame for a lot of ridiculous claims, It's so easy to forget. I love the good ol' " IMMvp sucks at foreign events/weekend tournaments " claim, It's unfortunate 4 GSL wins makes people forget you've won three golds at premier foreign weekend tournaments. | ||
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Uncultured
United States1340 Posts
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On August 12 2012 12:53 Dodgin wrote: Absurdly short memory is to blame for a lot of ridiculous claims, It's so easy to forget. well to be fair, since he has started focusing on GSL, he hasn't had the success at weekend lans like he used to. He even admitted himself that in WCS Sweden he wasn't prepared well for it as he only had 2 builds for SortOf and that ended up costing him top 3 and a trip to WCS Europe. | ||
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stri_
United States37 Posts
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On August 12 2012 12:55 Uncultured wrote: Is the "preparation" really the only reason people can point out as being bad? People watch and love MLG just fine. It takes a lot of skill to go through a gauntlet of games in a weekend. Possibly more skill than trying to plan out and methodically counter another person. I don't mind at all and you're all blowing this way out of proportion. but thats the thing, its completely changing what GSL is. we have a ton of weekend warrior tournaments. hell this will be happening at one! preparation is huge when it comes to GSL. not to mention i still dont see how ipl5, ro8 of gsl and onward, and the korea vs the world team match are all supposed to happen in one weekend at teh same venue. | ||
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stormchaser
Canada1009 Posts
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On August 12 2012 12:55 Uncultured wrote: Is the "preparation" really the only reason people can point out as being bad? People watch and love MLG just fine. It takes a lot of skill to go through a gauntlet of games in a weekend. Possibly more skill than trying to plan out and methodically counter another person. I don't mind at all and you're all blowing this way out of proportion. Here are my reasons why this is bad: - GSL is supposed to be a preparation style tournament, this takes away from that - The hype buildup to the finals is really shitty at weekend tournaments compared to GSL - Players will not be able to perform their best due to jetlag/lack of prep - You're shitting on the legacy of GSL by handing out a Code S championship for winning a weekend event - IPL5 will be happening at the same time, multiple players in the GSL ro8 may also be in IPL5 and it will split their focus, reducing their chances to win GSL and leaving even less prep time. | ||
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Smoodish
United States95 Posts
White-ra or mana! thats who im forgetting. | ||
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Exya
Canada54 Posts
VS MKP Taeja MC DRG Mvp now that's just not fair! | ||
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Femari
United States2900 Posts
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Kamwah
United Kingdom724 Posts
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NightOfTheDead
Lithuania1711 Posts
On August 12 2012 10:42 diArcipE wrote: Naniwa > Stephano > Nerchio > Thorzain > Mana MC > MVP > DRG > Taeja > MKP Best supporter and fan. ME Parting or Squirtle should be in some of that Korean list. DRG isnt doing that great lately, MKP was silent for some time, MVP is pretty inconsistent. So no, not a most optimal list, but i guess even with that list it would be just fine for Koreans. | ||
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WindWolf
Sweden11767 Posts
Edit: As for Showmatch, my dream would be {NaNiwa,SaSe,ThorZaIN,Stephano, Naugrim} vs. {TaeJa,HerO,Polt,Squirtle, July} | ||
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Shyndashu
United States136 Posts
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ShowTheLights
Korea (South)1683 Posts
» on a brighter note: yay for GSL world championships 2 | ||
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TommyP
United States6231 Posts
On August 12 2012 13:11 NightOfTheDead wrote: Parting or Squirtle should be in some of that Korean list. DRG isnt doing that great lately, MKP was silent for some time, MVP is pretty inconsistent. So no, not a most optimal list, but i guess even with that list it would be just fine for Koreans. You are aware that DRG was in round of 4 like 2 weeks ago? And MKP and DRG are 1/4th of the gsl players in OSL. MVP I can agree with to some extent, but his injury plays a big part in that. I dont see either of your arguements about DRG or MKP being valid, especially because neither Parting nor Squirtle are being talked about a lot right now either and both go out of GSL before DRG. | ||
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
On August 12 2012 13:19 TommyP wrote: Yes because we've been hearing a lot about Parting and Squirtle lately. DRG has lost his last like 2 games and made round of 4, where were Parting and Squirtle alst GSL season? Out in round of 32? Or did they amke round of 16? Gotta love fair weather friends, man. But to be fair...DRG has disappointed lately | ||
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TommyP
United States6231 Posts
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johnnywup
United States3858 Posts
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
On August 12 2012 13:13 ShowTheLights wrote: bullshit GSL, how the hell can they think having the Round of 8 --> Finals of Code S in IPL5? Imagine if players like MKP, Taeja or Polt play in IPL5 and have to juggle both IPL5 and Code S. Plus, one of the reasons why we get such good games in GSL is b.c. of the preparation time » on a brighter note: yay for GSL world championships 2 Some of the best games aren't prepared, cutthroat strategies though. The long epic matches often times are just raw mechanics vs raw mechanics, not refined build orders. | ||
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Antisocialmunky
United States5912 Posts
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TommyP
United States6231 Posts
On August 12 2012 13:24 johnnywup wrote: whats it mean by 5v5 showmatch? 5 1v1's? I think its like any team match would be played. The Koreans would be one team and the Foreigners would be the other. | ||
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NightOfTheDead
Lithuania1711 Posts
On August 12 2012 13:19 TommyP wrote: Yes because we've been hearing a lot about Parting and Squirtle lately. DRG has lost his last like 2 games and made round of 4, where were Parting and Squirtle alst GSL season? Out in round of 32? Or did they amke round of 16? We ve been hearing from them just fine, WCS Korea, and Code A vs Alive and Gumiho. | ||
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Lavit2099
United States390 Posts
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killerdog
Denmark6522 Posts
As far as i can see, players like mvp, mkp, thorzain etc have all been incredibly good at points in their career, but have failed to have results recently/are definitely nto at the top of their game and therefore have no place in this. And having gsl there is just stupid. GSL is good because it is the pinacle of play, this is undermined by jetlagging the players and then making them play without preperation. Hopefully GSL realises that they are about to have serious competition in the form of the OSL because as it stands OSL seems more and more attractive, not screwing over there schedule just to play at ipl, high quality stream etc etc. | ||
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TommyP
United States6231 Posts
On August 12 2012 13:26 NightOfTheDead wrote: We ve been hearing from them just fine, WCS Korea. Dude it was the round of 32. | ||
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NightOfTheDead
Lithuania1711 Posts
Dude round of 16 also. | ||
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TommyP
United States6231 Posts
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S_SienZ
1878 Posts
On August 12 2012 12:55 Uncultured wrote: Is the "preparation" really the only reason people can point out as being bad? People watch and love MLG just fine. It takes a lot of skill to go through a gauntlet of games in a weekend. Possibly more skill than trying to plan out and methodically counter another person. I don't mind at all and you're all blowing this way out of proportion. Cool, and people watch MLG for that. Variety in tournaments is a good thing. | ||
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ffrozenfish
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aznball123
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WindWolf
Sweden11767 Posts
On August 12 2012 13:34 aznball123 wrote: IPL always have crashes and all.. T.T hope it's better this time, But the internet problems at IPL3 was something they couldn't control. | ||
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S_SienZ
1878 Posts
On August 12 2012 13:36 WindWolf wrote: But the internet problems at IPL3 was something they couldn't control. GSTL finals crash at IPL4. IPL TAC3 crash during TaeJa v NesTea | ||
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Fionn
United States23455 Posts
Or he wins and people say he isn't a real champion because the format was changed. | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
the GSL finals are going to be squeezed between some rounds with both players already tired from all the games they played why would anyone think this is a good idea? | ||
opterown
Australia54784 Posts
i really think they should play only the finals there (and fly out the finalists a week early too so they can adjust to the jetlag) oh, and also seed the finalists into ipl5 too. so alive + 7 regional winners + 2 gsl finalists = 10 players satellites qualified -> open bracket -> six progress = 16 (more than six if needed e.g. if finalists are already qualified e.g. mkp or taeja) 16 players play groups -> single elim i know it's a changed format from announced but this would work better also as it is, IPL5 would in be in mid-oct. i'm thinking it might be better for late oct so they can play ro8 and ro4 at home On August 12 2012 13:23 TommyP wrote: Dude he lost to MC and Creator Prime (in a series he shoulve won) I dont see how he has "disappointed" really (well i guess by his standards every game he loses is a disappointement if you are trying to argue that) Everybody has a few bad games, he;ll be back for GSL season 4 and the first SC2 OSL. no such thing really as "should have won" - i am not so sure drg is that heavily favoured against either of them anyway. unless we're talking about D/C or something, "should have" just undermines the winner's skill On August 12 2012 12:45 RaiKageRyu wrote: Thought just occurred to me... GOM said they wanted to have Psy perform Gangnam style at next GSL Finals. Next GSL finals at IPL, which is at Las Vegas. Psy flying over and performing Gangnam Style?! HOLY CHECK!!! hoooo damnnnnn also one thing to think about i guess is the fact that the blizzard cup last year was pretty much the same as a weekend tourney so yea | ||
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vandelayindustries
United States290 Posts
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WindWolf
Sweden11767 Posts
On August 12 2012 13:44 opterown wrote: also as it is, IPL5 would in be in mid-oct. i'm thinking it might be better for late oct so they can play ro8 and ro4 at home IPL5 will take place in November, according to the Amateur Satellite OP | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On August 12 2012 13:49 WindWolf wrote: IPL5 will take place in November, according to the Amateur Satellite OP the GSL schedule on their korean site has the RO8 for GSL4 happening in early october so unless they delay season 4, IPL5 has to happen in october | ||
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Deshkar
Singapore1244 Posts
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N.geNuity
United States5112 Posts
On August 12 2012 09:24 Kergy wrote: Winner will be your Random weekend tournament #632 Champion, not a GSL Champion. This is my sentiment as well. In addition, gsl needs to hold its tournament finals in korea lol. | ||
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vorxaw
Canada245 Posts
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WindWolf
Sweden11767 Posts
On August 12 2012 13:51 opterown wrote: the GSL schedule on their korean site has the RO8 for GSL4 happening in early october so unless they delay season 4, IPL5 has to happen in october Ok, then we have to wait for wither GOM or IPL to confirm when it will really take place | ||
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Ktk
Korea (South)753 Posts
ALL THAT ASIDE WHO CARES I CAN GO WOOOo | ||
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ChuCky.Ca
Canada2497 Posts
On August 12 2012 13:52 vorxaw wrote: 5v5 show match? i thought most possible was 4v4 5 1v1's....,.. | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On August 12 2012 13:52 vorxaw wrote: 5v5 show match? i thought most possible was 4v4 i think it'll be bo9 allkill style | ||
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thecoolman
United States38 Posts
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ZeromuS
Canada13389 Posts
The preparation is what makes the GSL so so good. Its part of the drama and suspense. Watching Seed proxy Robo MC with prism 4 gate was the greatest moment in a televised PvP I have ever seen. And yes, as a protoss player I am completely serious. | ||
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10328 Posts
On August 12 2012 09:02 ShiroKaisen wrote: I whole-heartedly disagree with this. It might have been a scheduling necessity due to the WCS Korea taking up this entire month for GSL, but it really pulls the rug out from under GSL players who rely on week-to-week preparation like Mvp and Nestea, and favors streaky players like MarineKing. ...wait, this means MKP could win a GSL. I'm suddenly torn. Completely agree I'm also glad that it seems that a good majority of people here dislike this! | ||
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pullarius1
United States522 Posts
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winthrop
Hong Kong956 Posts
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
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PonceDeLEGABE
United States117 Posts
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TripleCow
United States240 Posts
Why did anyone anywhere decide that this was an OK thing to do? Having the entire thing in one weekend? What? Almost no preparation time for the players whatsoever - especially when some of the favorites will have to juggle GSL with IPL? This is a very poor decision. | ||
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TheAsianThing
United States12 Posts
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magnaflow
Canada1521 Posts
Anywho, I wonder who the power at be made this decision, was it GSL thinking it was a good idea, or was it IPL using their power to have GSL hold the finals at IPL5 Edit: As the guy above me has also said, if IPL5 is anything like todays broadcast everybody loses. If this is to happen SC2 has got to be the #1 priority. | ||
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DrakeFZX3
United States925 Posts
On August 12 2012 13:52 N.geNuity wrote: This is my sentiment as well. In addition, gsl needs to hold its tournament finals in korea lol. One of the GSL's best finals happened at Blizzcon between MVP and MMA so it doesn't necessarily have to be in Korea. But GSL piggy-backing off of IPL5 from the Ro8 onwards seems like it's the lesser of the two tournaments, which isn't the case. | ||
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c0se
Germany148 Posts
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VirgilSC2
United States6151 Posts
On August 12 2012 14:13 opterown wrote: LOL you know what would be epic? IPL5 being a 2-week long tournament with EVERY match broadcasted. It would be epic, but the price of staying in the Cosmo that long would be ridiculous for every team involved. | ||
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Deshkar
Singapore1244 Posts
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Tchado
Jordan1831 Posts
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Kergy
Peru2011 Posts
On August 12 2012 14:22 c0se wrote: so basically this season of code s is just another foreign tournament? Yup, and people will always remember its champion as a 'fake' one. | ||
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DrakeFZX3
United States925 Posts
Otherwise, if they have the GSL Grand Finals played before IPL5's Grand Finals, it just completely cheapens the prestige for the most competitive tournament in the world. | ||
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McFeser
United States2458 Posts
On August 12 2012 14:29 DrakeFZX3 wrote: The only way I truly find this acceptable is if the GSL Grand Finals is the main event and not IPL5. Otherwise, if they have the GSL Grand Finals played before IPL5's Grand Finals, it just completely cheapens the prestige for the most competitive tournament in the world. Not to mention no one gave a shit about the winner of IPL4 (Squirtle won it  ) so to be attached to this is preposterous. Also, playing in both tournaments at the same time is exhausting - there is no way this is going to work. | ||
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TommyP
United States6231 Posts
On August 12 2012 14:29 Kergy wrote: Yup, and people will always remember its champion as a 'fake' one. Ehhh I doubt that. | ||
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TommyP
United States6231 Posts
On August 12 2012 14:32 McFeser wrote: Not to mention no one gave a shit about the winner of IPL4 (Squirtle won it ) so to be attached to this is preposterous. Also, playing in both tournaments at the same time is exhausting - there is no way this is going to work.Alive won it my friend. Squirtle got 2nd. | ||
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asongdotnet
United States1060 Posts
that said... IGN needs to step up their production efforts in making sure they keep to schedule. if the IPL finals drags on till past midnight on Sunday again... | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On August 12 2012 14:42 asongdotnet wrote: the silver lining in it all is that IPL5 shouldn't be as long a tournament as IPL4 with only 40 people playing total in a double elimination. also all the GSL players should be used to playing back to back days given that most if not all have gone overseas to play at MLG, Dreamhack, etc and the quality of play is still really good. that said... IGN needs to step up their production efforts in making sure they keep to schedule. if the IPL finals drags on till past midnight on Sunday again... pretty sure its bigger than 40 players now because of the whole qualification scheduling fiasco | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44253 Posts
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
2 GSL Finalists IPL4 Winner - aLive 7 Regional Winners - Crank, MKP, Taeja, Polt, Sleep, Snute, Xigua = 10 players These ten players are distributed across four groups of 4 each (six from open bracket TBA) Satellite Qualifiers = 32 players currently GSL WC = 10 more players =42 players currently There will probably be more qualifiers = add, say, 22 more players =64 players. These 64 players play a huge double elimination, top 6 qualify for groups. (sort of like MLG open brackets, but instead of buying player passes you need to qualify for spots) =16 players, in 4x4 groups. If there are overlaps e.g. the GSLWC players are already qualified for OB, or the Regional Winners are GSL finalists as well, etc., just replace them with other OB players etc. (so seven players come from OB instead, etc) Single elim after groups. schedule the IPL5 finals -> GSLWC showmatch -> GSL4 finals. If the GSL4 finalists were slated for the GSLWC showmatch, they can withdraw for prep. reason for the GSLWC showmatch in between is that if the GSL4 finalists were the same as the IPL5 finalists, they have a few hours to rest while the GSLWC goes one. *shrug :p that's how i think it'd work! | ||
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mistax
United States415 Posts
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GreyKnight
United States4720 Posts
if it's a week long then that would be cool | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
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TommyP
United States6231 Posts
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
Not sure about having no preparation between the quarter, semi and finals tho.. it will probably make less interessing games... | ||
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TommyP
United States6231 Posts
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Devise
Canada1131 Posts
On August 12 2012 15:01 blade55555 wrote: I'll be honest I am not a fan of GSL code s ro8- finals being played in 3 days (I imagine ro8 first day, semis next, finals last). Fionn stated on the first page it will be Ro8, one week, semi's week and a half finals.. he should probably add it to op so people aren't as confused | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On August 12 2012 15:29 Devise wrote: Fionn stated on the first page it will be Ro8, one week, semi's week and a half finals.. he should probably add it to op so people aren't as confused nono Fionn said it is USUALLY ro8-1week-ro4-1.5weeks-finals but if it's at IPL5, it'll likely be one per day | ||
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ThePlayer33
Australia2378 Posts
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Veldril
Thailand1817 Posts
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Chriscras
Korea (South)2812 Posts
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asongdotnet
United States1060 Posts
On August 12 2012 14:45 jmbthirteen wrote: pretty sure its bigger than 40 players now because of the whole qualification scheduling fiasco the IPL5 portion is still 40 players http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/IGN_ProLeague_Season_5 | ||
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RoranRock
France294 Posts
all kill by stephano :p Stephano, Naniwa, Nerchio, Thorzain, Mana | ||
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TommyP
United States6231 Posts
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ThaGunShow
Australia9 Posts
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
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anrimayu
United States875 Posts
On August 12 2012 15:56 opterown wrote: does anyone have the timestamp in the VOD for the announcement? Video and sound weren't down, and AMD commercials weren't playing. That should narrow it down a lot. | ||
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Aulisemia
United States123 Posts
That said, the 5 on 5 sounds pretty cool. | ||
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10328 Posts
On August 12 2012 15:55 ThaGunShow wrote: I think most of the players in the top 8 of GSL have probably prepared enough for each other... They play each other on ladder and practice with each other ALL the time. I understand that if they had a week to study their opponent it is going to make for a better timed out build, however even if they were to find out 5 minutes before the game they would still know each other's styles well enough to not get romped.. Come on guys, give them some credit. They will play well and there will be good games, and it will be fair for both players... They ARE the BEST players in the world after all.... Should be a fantastic weekend for SC though. IPL 4 was AMAZING. IPL 5 should be even better!! One thing you're leaving out is relaxation time. You have to win 3 matches to become the champion. Instead of having about 4 weeks to prepare and relax, you're doing this ~1 a day. There's less time to prepare mentally. However, I'm faithful enough in GOM to believe that they have thought this through and they don't think it should be too bad. | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On August 12 2012 16:00 Yoshi Kirishima wrote: One thing you're leaving out is relaxation time. You have to win 3 matches to become the champion. Instead of having about 4 weeks to prepare and relax, you're doing this ~1 a day. There's less time to prepare mentally. However, I'm faithful enough in GOM to believe that they have thought this through and they don't think it should be too bad. yeah, when you consider the blizzcup was essentially a weekend tourney and still counted as a gsl (mma got a badge lol), it's not that bad haha | ||
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Wildmoon
Thailand4189 Posts
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SolidMustard
France1515 Posts
On August 12 2012 09:00 starception wrote: Foreigner team: Naniwa, Stephano, Thorzain, Scarlett, and Nerchio Korean team: Top 5 GSL Scarlett? What a joke, more like Huk or Mana (or Major, or a lot of players way better than scarlett) | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On August 12 2012 16:06 SolidMustard wrote: Scarlett? What a joke, more like Huk or Mana (or Major, or a lot of players way better than scarlett) huk is much worse than scarlett haha | ||
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BearStorm
United States795 Posts
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Pratoss
Canada201 Posts
On August 12 2012 16:06 SolidMustard wrote: Scarlett? What a joke, more like Huk or Mana (or Major, or a lot of players way better than scarlett) call scarlett a joke then suggest HuK? extreme fanboyism or just stupidity can't tell | ||
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TommyP
United States6231 Posts
On August 12 2012 16:03 opterown wrote: yeah, when you consider the blizzcup was essentially a weekend tourney and still counted as a gsl (mma got a badge lol), it's not that bad haha MMA deserved a badge just for how epic the series was. I consider Game 7 of MMA/DRG to be the greatest SC2 game to date. | ||
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Morrolan
United States182 Posts
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TommyP
United States6231 Posts
On August 12 2012 16:13 Morrolan wrote: Meh, doesnt matter how they do this next GSL. Taeja is clearly going to win it. Just like Symbol was clearly going to win the last one?? GSL is a completely different beast and the hottest player doesnt always win. Also lets be serious, 99% of people thought MKP would win season 2 and we all know how that turned out. | ||
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SolidMustard
France1515 Posts
On August 12 2012 16:12 Pratoss wrote: call scarlett a joke then suggest HuK? extreme fanboyism or just stupidity can't tell depends what they want this team to be. If they want an all=stars of foreigners, they want Huk because he did achieve a lot even if right now he's not at the top anymore. And if they just want the best, there are 1000 european players better than Scarlett | ||
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Wildmoon
Thailand4189 Posts
On August 12 2012 16:15 TommyP wrote: Just like Symbol was clearly going to win the last one?? GSL is a completely different beast and the hottest player doesnt always win. Also lets be serious, 99% of people thought MKP would win season 2 and we all know how that turned out. Seed is the real hottest player imo.:D | ||
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LeLfe
France3160 Posts
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Adreme
United States5574 Posts
That being said the only real awesome part of this announcement is the 5v5 special event. | ||
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Proxan
Sweden16 Posts
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naux
Canada738 Posts
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SpurvL
Sweden345 Posts
On August 12 2012 16:37 naux wrote: I don't understand the whole community pitch forking the GSL just because players don't have time to prepare. TO BECOME A GSL CHAMPION you have to endure any situation any time, that proves what a true champion is. I LOVE the idea of having the GSL RO8 and GSL World Championships at IPL5. Quit being whining little beaches, and actually show some love to GSL for even coming to IPL for fuck sakes. I would agree, but I kinda want to be able to see the GSL finals, and so far IPL has not deliverd. | ||
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elementz
United States281 Posts
Also from the looks of it, WCS Korea is making GOM look for a way to fit everything that is announced/planned for 2012 to complete, this saves them some 3weeks(almost one month). | ||
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TommyP
United States6231 Posts
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gruff
Sweden2276 Posts
On August 12 2012 16:15 SolidMustard wrote: depends what they want this team to be. If they want an all=stars of foreigners, they want Huk because he did achieve a lot even if right now he's not at the top anymore. And if they just want the best, there are 1000 european players better than Scarlett If you want to make a point you really shouldn't be so damn hyperbolic, it just make you look more biased. | ||
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bittman
Australia8759 Posts
On August 12 2012 16:37 naux wrote: I don't understand the whole community pitch forking the GSL just because players don't have time to prepare. TO BECOME A GSL CHAMPION you have to endure any situation any time, that proves what a true champion is. I LOVE the idea of having the GSL RO8 and GSL World Championships at IPL5. Quit being whining little beaches, and actually show some love to GSL for even coming to IPL for fuck sakes. Theatre Sports a totally legit transition for GSL season 5 then. I think Seed will be able to bonjwa that season. Anyway, we're whining like "little beaches" (aha what) because IPL already runs this sort of tournament thing where people play a tonne of games in a short period. On the same weekend right? Basically I see it that they'll fly 8 GSL players out and all 8 of them will say "Well there goes IPL5, I'll just do GSL" OR someone is actually going to go insane. It's not only too many games, but not in the form of their typical games. Imagine MLG held a championship without an open bracket. Or NASL stopped doing pool play. Most premier tournaments have a unique aspect, and I like the timing between GSL. I'm happy to see GSL coming to IPL. Just not all the matches. I'd rather see, for example, Seed play GSL, WC AND IPL5, but he would be insane to do all that in the current context. Unless I'm totally missing how their schedule is going to work? | ||
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Douillos
France3195 Posts
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Vansetsu
United States1454 Posts
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SeriousLus
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klniceajer
Malaysia14 Posts
This is just the ordinary foreign tournament , kinda destroy the "I PLAN ALL THIS SHIZZ FOR FEW DAMN DAYS" part of GSL. At least let GOM do all the production and stuff , if not , i'll quit watching this season's GSL | ||
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Tryxtira
Sweden572 Posts
On August 12 2012 09:00 BathTubNZ wrote: So two weeks of GSL in 1 weekend? Doesn't that negate the whole 'planning for your opponent' aspect of GSL? This. What are they thinking. One of the aspects I love the most about gsl is the fact that the play players have had time to prepare awesome strats for that specific opponent. | ||
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ACrow
Germany6583 Posts
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Belha
Italy2850 Posts
I love the World showmatch tho ^^ | ||
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HearthCraft
United States117 Posts
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Drake
Germany6146 Posts
thats strange for gsl and will not tribute the gsl style seems gom in timeproblems ^^ | ||
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NGF
Finland30 Posts
Naniwa, Stephano, Nerchio, Mana, VortiX Korean Team: MarineKing, MVP, Nestea, Taeja, MC | ||
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TigerKarl
1757 Posts
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Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
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Sakkreth
Lithuania1096 Posts
On August 12 2012 17:19 NGF wrote: Foreign team: Naniwa, Stephano, Nerchio, Mana, VortiX Korean Team: MarineKing, MVP, Nestea, Taeja, MC VortiX, like really ?... Thorzain instead him and it's quite a lineup. And Seed has to be in Korean lineup, he's code S champion. | ||
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ROOTheognis
United States4482 Posts
. The quality of games will inevitably suffer | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
foreigner 5: stephano naniwa mana nerchio thorzain | ||
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Nekovivie
United Kingdom2599 Posts
GSL World Championship: A 5v5 show match between five of the best foreigners and five of the best Koreans. OMFG cant wait! | ||
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flipstar
226 Posts
Bad, bad & BAD. | ||
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WindWolf
Sweden11767 Posts
On August 12 2012 16:37 naux wrote: I don't understand the whole community pitch forking the GSL just because players don't have time to prepare. TO BECOME A GSL CHAMPION you have to endure any situation any time, that proves what a true champion is. I LOVE the idea of having the GSL RO8 and GSL World Championships at IPL5. Quit being whining little beaches, and actually show some love to GSL for even coming to IPL for fuck sakes. I fully agree with that, a really good player should do well in both week-end tournaments like IPL's and Dreamhack's and preparation tournament like GSL. And as someone said, why does this receives complains but not the Blizzard Cup? | ||
nimdil
Poland3748 Posts
On August 12 2012 11:54 NOOBALOPSE wrote: ROFL not scarlett?? Are you crazy? Scarlett is better than Nerchio, thorzain, MaNa, AND Major.... You clearly haven't watched her play very much... Also, you forgot about VortiX... Should be NaNi, Stephano, Scarlett, VortiX, and SaSe or ThorZaIN or Nerchio You are not really objective here, are you? Scarlett has nothing going for here except for winning WCS Canada which wasn't really that stucked tournament. Saying that she is better than MaNa - recent DH winner - or Nerchio - recent HSC winner and non korean no. 2 ELO player behind Stephano - or ThorZaIN - who actually proven that he can beat very good koreans - is ridiculous. Nevertheless the idea of Ro8, semis and final of GSL in one weekend is plain stupid. From the title I assumed that the Ro8 alone will be played with semis and GF back in korea. | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On August 12 2012 17:32 opterown wrote: korean 5: taeja mc squirtle marinenking dongraegu foreigner 5: stephano naniwa mana nerchio thorzain squirtle instead of seed kinda makes 0 sense to me ;o | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On August 12 2012 17:40 Dodgin wrote: squirtle instead of seed kinda makes 0 sense to me ;o i think squirtle is more skilled/a better player but that's just me~ | ||
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StarVe
Germany13591 Posts
And I'd have loved to see the World Championship done in Korea, that's what was the most interesting part about it last time for me. At IPL5, it'll be just another showmatch. | ||
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Gorilla23
United States339 Posts
On August 12 2012 17:39 WindWolf wrote: And as someone said, why does this receives complains but not the Blizzard Cup? Blizzard Cup is Blizzard Cup. It just happens to be hosted by GomTV. Code S is GSL Code S. It is known to operate with a week or more between games. | ||
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sOda~
United Kingdom441 Posts
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Shinobi1982
1605 Posts
Wish they would've partnered up with dreamhack for example. Code S finals in Dreamarena <3! OR.. Take Iron Squid event for example, smaller organisation, not the same budget as bigger organisations BUT kickass venue, decent production and you can count on the French to be ROARING in excitement. Just my 2ct. | ||
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Anonymous_Coward
United Kingdom1347 Posts
Multiple tournaments at one event, with players participating in both is a terrible idea. | ||
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sVnteen
Germany2238 Posts
On August 12 2012 09:00 starception wrote: Foreigner team: Naniwa, Stephano, Thorzain, Scarlett, and Nerchio Korean team: Top 5 GSL so scarlett huh? you know winning Canada nationals is not that big of a deal... even winning NA continentals wouldn't be Naniwa Stephano Nerchio Mana (I'm sure Mana will be even more of a beast after some months of training in korea than he already is) maybe thorzain but just to have a terran in there | ||
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sVnteen
Germany2238 Posts
On August 12 2012 17:46 Anonymous_Coward wrote: Did tournaments not learn anything from MLG Spring/WCS? Multiple tournaments at one event, with players participating in both is a terrible idea. you forget that we are talking about koreans xD | ||
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Mystgun
Hong Kong311 Posts
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WindWolf
Sweden11767 Posts
On August 12 2012 17:46 Anonymous_Coward wrote: Did tournaments not learn anything from MLG Spring/WCS? Multiple tournaments at one event, with players participating in both is a terrible idea. Yes, if you schedule then to take place during the same time during the days. During Dreamhack Summer, there were also the E-sport SM Grand Final, and it was all scheduled in a way that players could play in both. | ||
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Terminal
United Kingdom2109 Posts
Naniwa, Stephano, Nerchio, Thorzain, Kas Thought that was pretty unanimous actually. Perhaps rotate somebody out for MaNa could work also. If you wan't the best foreigner team then that's it. | ||
TheEmulator
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FuRRie
Belgium815 Posts
On August 12 2012 08:58 Fionn wrote: GSL World Championship: A 5v5 show match between five of the best foreigners and five of the best Koreans. GSL 2012 Code S Season 4: The Ro8 through the grand finals will be played in Las Vegas at IPL5. So a 5 - 0 for the Koreans and hopefull and interesting Series to end out the GSL. (going by yesterdays IPL TAC) Fine i'll be optimistic! 5 - 1 for Korea! Don't like the Ro8 to Finals in 1 weekend though, I like that players can prepare special stuff for there oppononts in the normal format. | ||
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
On August 12 2012 17:57 Terminal wrote: Scarlett lol? No idea who's going, but for the foreigner team best line-up would definitely be; Naniwa, Stephano, Nerchio, Thorzain, Kas Thought that was pretty unanimous actually. Perhaps rotate somebody out for MaNa could work also. If you wan't the best foreigner team then that's it. I'll put SaSe somewhere. :p Perhaps instead of Kas, because if Kas has proven he's a monster in the EU scene, he never really beat koreans that often. | ||
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Kuni
Austria765 Posts
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namste
Finland2292 Posts
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markrevival
United States222 Posts
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majloon
Sweden122 Posts
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PVJ
Hungary5214 Posts
On August 12 2012 09:08 Fionn wrote: It's three weeks of GSL. Ro8 takes two days and then a week break for semifinals. Then the semifinals occur and the finalists get a week and a half to practice for the final. It makes sense when you realize we only have four months left in the year and GOM still needs to do GSL4/5 an Blizzard Cup. Sorry if it has been asked/answered but is a fifth GSL a must? I'd have no problem with having only 4 GSLs a year, even though I'm paying a sub. At least the winner would matter and GSL would have some more prestige. I'm really hating this idea. | ||
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Serimek
France2274 Posts
On the other hand, I'm not fan of a week-end GSL as it screws the very concept of GSL itself, but I guess it's better to have some kind of "fake" GSL than nothing, considering schedule conflict with WCS... | ||
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Sikly
United States413 Posts
On August 12 2012 17:45 Shinobi1982 wrote: I really hate to say this but I don't like the move GOM made here. Unless GOM is 100% doing their own thing in (Cosmopolitan was it?) I don't see this turning out good at all unfortunately. And even then this will never reach the production value of code S finals in Korea. I just don't see them pulling decent enough audience in Vegas to give the true feeling of eSports where the crowd is roaring and cheering. Wish they would've partnered up with dreamhack for example. Code S finals in Dreamarena <3! OR.. Take Iron Squid event for example, smaller organisation, not the same budget as bigger organisations BUT kickass venue, decent production and you can count on the French to be ROARING in excitement. Just my 2ct. I dislike them hosting the GSL with anyone. Even if they had the most amazing production ever with IPL, they are now asking players to play in completely different way compared to every proper GSL, and the champion will always have a mark next to his name, saying that championship was the one Gom ran with IPL, in a different way. MMA's Blizzard Cup title has the same mark, and it is unfortunate that something so significant can be tarred(at least, in my eyes it is) by something so easily just not done. It also will not quite have that unique feeling that comes with Korean Starcraft. It just will not feel right. It did not feel quite right when they hosted the GSTL at IPL, and that was just the finals, compared to what they have said they'll do here. The only exception I can see with this is when they hosted it at blizzcon, mostly because Blizzcon is such a different event that it doesn't feel watered down. It still didn't have that certain magic that Korean SC2 has, but the uniqueness of Blizzcon made up for it. I really hope this will only be a one time thing for GOM. If they want to travel for the finals that is awesome, but they should do it only for the finals and do it by themselves. If the money and/or infrastructure isn't available for them to do it on their own, than they should just continue doing what they are doing. Changing the best part of the tournament in order to travel and partner with IPL just seems like a poor decision. | ||
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jobber123rd
United States501 Posts
On August 12 2012 17:46 Anonymous_Coward wrote: Did tournaments not learn anything from MLG Spring/WCS? Multiple tournaments at one event, with players participating in both is a terrible idea. There's a big difference between "multiple tournaments" in a weekend having 160/64/8 participants and having 40 (maybe up to 64 depending on the additional qualifiers)/8/10. Besides, it's not like MLG changed their plans of running the Summer Championship and WCS NA concurrently, with 232 and 32 players, respectively. | ||
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MrJoKer
France232 Posts
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naux
Canada738 Posts
On August 12 2012 16:48 bittman wrote: Theatre Sports a totally legit transition for GSL season 5 then. I think Seed will be able to bonjwa that season. Anyway, we're whining like "little beaches" (aha what) because IPL already runs this sort of tournament thing where people play a tonne of games in a short period. On the same weekend right? Basically I see it that they'll fly 8 GSL players out and all 8 of them will say "Well there goes IPL5, I'll just do GSL" OR someone is actually going to go insane. It's not only too many games, but not in the form of their typical games. Imagine MLG held a championship without an open bracket. Or NASL stopped doing pool play. Most premier tournaments have a unique aspect, and I like the timing between GSL. I'm happy to see GSL coming to IPL. Just not all the matches. I'd rather see, for example, Seed play GSL, WC AND IPL5, but he would be insane to do all that in the current context. Unless I'm totally missing how their schedule is going to work? The thing is there are SO MANY Starcraft 2 tournaments that people can take advantage of. Players like Tasteless, Day9, Artosis NEVER got the luck to ever play in these huge tournaments for big prize pools, just imagine if they were in there prime, would they be our Stephano or ThorZain? I know i might be rumbling on another subject but i wish people understand this, playing in 2 tournaments is better than playing in NONE. That's why i always say appreciate Artosis, and players like Tasteless for what they did for the foreign SCENE. Grinds my gears when i see people say things like they are overrated, that is a slap to Starcraft and us. Players that are coming from GSL they can prove they are more then just a 1 trick pony and maybe going deep into another tournament. And people complaining about having 2 tournaments going at ONCE, like WTF are you serious? More SC2 for me i don't care. It's going to effect 8 players NOT like 20 so calm down. | ||
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Neobick
Sweden208 Posts
On August 12 2012 18:17 jobber123rd wrote: There's a big difference between "multiple tournaments" in a weekend having 160/64/8 participants and having 40 (maybe up to 64 depending on the additional qualifiers)/8/10. Besides, it's not like MLG changed their plans of running the Summer Championship and WCS NA concurrently, with 232 and 32 players, respectively. And it's still is a bad idea. This is not good from a competitive standpoint(Players have less time to prepare and some may even have to play to tourneys at once) This is not good from a production standpoint(IPL lack credibility, and because it is on their turf I would expect they would have a lot to do with the production, sadly) This is not good for variance(We already have tonnes of weekend tournaments, why would we need another one?) This is not good for consistency(Breaks the tradition of GSL of being a preparation tournament, This will inevitable stain the legacy of the event) The only reason I see to support this is just because it's convienient for people in NA to watch and attend. Thats purely out of self-interest. Dont know how you can consider the "better" finals argument valid. The reason weekend events have had more exciting finals is simply because there have been more of them. I think the real reason for the overall lackluster finals are the Bo7. Look at BW, Bo5. The finals have been better in my experience. Sure there have been some bad ones(Flash vs Movie), but overall. That's my summary and addition to this discussion | ||
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WindWolf
Sweden11767 Posts
On August 12 2012 18:13 PVJ wrote: Well, GOM said in the beginning of the year that there would be five GSLs (And three GSTL's), but WCS wasn't officially announced until April, so that could have an impact on their schedule.Sorry if it has been asked/answered but is a fifth GSL a must? I'd have no problem with having only 4 GSLs a year, even though I'm paying a sub. At least the winner would matter and GSL would have some more prestige. I'm really hating this idea. Can't they do something like hosting the first half of a GSL season during 2012 and the second half 2013, they did that with S1 this year (U/D was played between Blizzard Cup and Christmas, and Code S begun in early January) | ||
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jobber123rd
United States501 Posts
On August 12 2012 18:13 PVJ wrote: Sorry if it has been asked/answered but is a fifth GSL a must? I'd have no problem with having only 4 GSLs a year, even though I'm paying a sub. At least the winner would matter and GSL would have some more prestige. I'm really hating this idea. If all else fails, I think they'd rather just run season 5 into 2013 (with the yearly tickets still being good) than cancel it, lest they draw the ire of yearly ticket holders, many of whom were drawn to making their purchases by advertised "savings" rates based on GOM producing five GSL leagues. They'd have to issue refunds, or else be accused of running a bait-and-switch (well, that would happen anyway even with the refunds). If you saw the dual stream premium controversy from Season 2 Code A, the backlash would be ten times worse. | ||
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Lukeeze[zR]
Switzerland6838 Posts
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Uncultured
United States1340 Posts
On August 12 2012 13:32 S_SienZ wrote: Cool, and people watch MLG for that. Variety in tournaments is a good thing. So your argument is that variety is a good thing... but simultaneously that GSL should not show any variety in their format? The cool thing about this is we get to see what we know are the VERY BEST PLAYERS(GSL code S), in a format that we don't normally get to see them in. We get the variety in format, with the familiarity and assurance that we'll be seeing the best gameplay mechanics and strategy possible. Anyone advocating variety should love this. | ||
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Neobick
Sweden208 Posts
On August 12 2012 18:34 Uncultured wrote: So your argument is that variety is a good thing... but simultaneously that GSL should not show any variety in their format? The cool thing about this is we get to see what we know are the VERY BEST PLAYERS(GSL code S), in a format that we don't normally get to see them in. We get the variety in format, with the familiarity and assurance that we'll be seeing the best gameplay mechanics and strategy possible. Anyone advocating variety should love this. He means that it kills variety because weekend tourneys are plentyful already. So it's like killing a member of an endangered speices, preparation tourneys in this case. Please don't strawman. You get to see GSL-players in weekend-tourney format all the time. Who are you kidding? | ||
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Corsica
Ukraine1854 Posts
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PVJ
Hungary5214 Posts
On August 12 2012 18:31 jobber123rd wrote: If all else fails, I think they'd rather just run season 5 into 2013 (with the yearly tickets still being good) than cancel it That's what I was thinking. But I guess nothing's gonna change this now. It'll be horrible, and I'll have to watch (the Code A dual stream-gate was horrid but I wouldn't say that it made an impact on me). Once any player making it to the Ro8 / World Champ. Showmatch / IPL has to forfeit there's gonna be a huge scandal anyhoo. | ||
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X3GoldDot
Malaysia3840 Posts
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
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oopsyoucantmove
United States39 Posts
There is plenty of time to complain LATER - | ||
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Mysticesper
United States1183 Posts
Even MLG before they started to reduce their downtime a lot wasn't as bad. | ||
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DrakeFZX3
United States925 Posts
On August 12 2012 18:16 Sikly wrote: MMA's Blizzard Cup title has the same mark, and it is unfortunate that something so significant can be tarred(at least, in my eyes it is) by something so easily just not done. It also will not quite have that unique feeling that comes with Korean Starcraft. It just will not feel right. It did not feel quite right when they hosted the GSTL at IPL, and that was just the finals, compared to what they have said they'll do here. I don't think MMA's Blizzard Cup's title was tarred at all at least not by anyone who speaks of it. If anything MMA beat the best of the best to become the year end's best player. Not to mention playing the BEST game of 2011 in that epic Game 7. GOM gave him a GSL pin and rightfully so. | ||
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Aunvilgod
2653 Posts
No fuckin way, sorry. Thats just way too much. | ||
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Qikz
United Kingdom12022 Posts
On August 12 2012 17:32 opterown wrote: korean 5: taeja mc squirtle marinenking dongraegu foreigner 5: stephano naniwa mana nerchio thorzain Well the idea was fun while it lasted. Foreigner team are going to have to try so hard to snipe Taeja. T_T | ||
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Neobick
Sweden208 Posts
On August 12 2012 19:06 DrakeFZX3 wrote: I don't think MMA's Blizzard Cup's title was tarred at all at least not by anyone who speaks of it. If anything MMA beat the best of the best to become the year end's best player. Not to mention playing the BEST game of 2011 in that epic Game 7. GOM gave him a GSL pin and rightfully so. Yeah. Notice the difference in name though, it was a special event. It wasn't the core GSL experience. This tampers with the core of what GSL is supposed to be. A preparation tournament, in the tradition of the BW starleagues. That's why people care so much. It takes away variety and is generally unfair to players who may or may not be playing IPL as well. Is it that hard to see why that is bad? | ||
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imre
France9263 Posts
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On August 12 2012 19:27 sAsImre wrote: won't watch it ... a bit of a childish response | ||
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Jelleyicious
Australia16 Posts
foreign team: stephano, naniwa, moonglade, grubby, thorzain korean team: DRG, puzzle, taeja, squirtle, symbol | ||
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Technique
Netherlands1542 Posts
I really do not see the point of this at all. | ||
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a_flayer
Netherlands2826 Posts
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sOda~
United Kingdom441 Posts
*rage* | ||
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SoniC_eu
Denmark1008 Posts
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ogion
New Zealand79 Posts
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Mekare
Germany393 Posts
As for having a highly compressed GSL... I dunno. Maybe it will squeeze highly compressed skill out of the players. Maybe not. It's going to be very different from what we're used to of GSL, and I'm sceptical, but it will be interesting to see how it turns out in the end. I'm more worried about the production value considering how utterly terrible the production of the IPL TAC finals was yesterday night. On the other hand, they have shown that they know better, and can do better, so hopefully they won't let us down. ^^ | ||
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Technique
Netherlands1542 Posts
On August 12 2012 19:39 Mekare wrote: I love the idea of the foreigners vs koreans team showmatch. I think it will be fun. That has already been done before. | ||
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TeveT
Sweden148 Posts
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sc2Law
Australia61 Posts
Like how MMA has won a Code S season and Blizzard Cup. He's acknowledged as having won 2 GSLs but not as having won 2 Code S seasons. | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On August 12 2012 19:46 TeveT wrote: Didnt see it in OP and not the comments I browsed, but is it known if there will be any kind of free HQ stream? Or will we have to suffer through the GSL freestream quality? (Or pay up obv) i think it'll be the second option like at IPL4 | ||
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Sata_
Belgium82 Posts
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Yaki
France4234 Posts
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birchman
Sweden393 Posts
Don't worry guys, if you don't like this format, I'm sure there will be more GSL in the future. Just maybe. | ||
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Cenja
Sweden498 Posts
Tbh I don't think fans will consider this tournament a real GSL.. | ||
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ProxyKnoxy
United Kingdom2576 Posts
What a terrible idea.... first of all, 3 tournaments in such a short amount of time is just overkill, starting at the ro8 just turns the GSL into any other random tournament, no hype for finals whatsoever. Just the GSL finals by itself is fine, I can't understand the idea to have the ro8 as well.... fdfdifjiodhiohgwie | ||
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Abacus1
Australia45 Posts
Still, should be some great games with all the talent being there. | ||
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kruxey
Bulgaria168 Posts
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RaelSan
Belgium223 Posts
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paradoxOO9
United Kingdom1123 Posts
I am hoping that the production goes smoother than the event just gone, other than that I can't wait! | ||
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Eruism
United States312 Posts
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JiEun-Aegyo
1 Post
In addition, like it has been said before, with other Code S player already participating in IPL this season, it would put them at the disadvantage. It is like MVP vs MMA all over again, where the first one had an all-day of competition, facing different opponent and race, before doing a best of 7 at the end of the day. And yes, IPL TAC final production was way below the standard of what you are supposed to expect. | ||
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ogion
New Zealand79 Posts
On August 12 2012 19:56 Sata_ wrote: just do GSL finals instead of ro8 to finals :/ I don't know if this is possible, IPL is probably already scheduled, and the finals wouldn't come in time without speeding up their own schedule | ||
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Lukeeze[zR]
Switzerland6838 Posts
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Darkthorn
Romania912 Posts
On August 12 2012 16:50 Douillos wrote: Whatever, Taeja gonna win it ALL !!!!!!!!!!! <3333 Tell the truth you might be right...he seems he can play a lot and somehow plays better when there's no real preparation for the other player :D | ||
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bluQ
Germany1724 Posts
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Darrkhan
Finland1236 Posts
What if someone takes both tournaments GSL and IPL5 that would be ridiculous :D | ||
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Makro
France16890 Posts
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Garnet
Vietnam9016 Posts
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Roggay
Switzerland6320 Posts
GSL always has been about studying your opponent and coming with good builds. | ||
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newmember1
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Sumahi
Guam5609 Posts
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Fragile51
Netherlands15767 Posts
Having the ro8 and ro4 there as well basically stops it from being Code S, and turns it into MLG#2. I don't mind having the finals and the WC there, as long as the GOM production crew does all the production work. | ||
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InoyouS2
1005 Posts
At least try to split it over 2 weeks. | ||
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TeeTS
Germany2762 Posts
It's a change in the format for ONE single season. No big deal. The quality of games will not suffer at all. The players in the Ro8 will be well prepared for their matches and the players that go through will have the skill to make the following games similar entertaining. Really no big deal and nothing to complain about! | ||
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Lasbike
France2888 Posts
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RoK Ot7Er
United States219 Posts
On the plus side, maybe well have a good finals for a change. | ||
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AXygnus
Portugal1008 Posts
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Kyir
United States1047 Posts
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Lyter
United Kingdom2145 Posts
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9172 Posts
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Rescawen
Finland1028 Posts
Kr.team: Squirtle, MC, Taeja, Seed, DRG | ||
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iSunrise
3302 Posts
IPL4 was great IMHO, we had Mr. Chae and the awesome GOM production staff on site. With the amount of high level players present it should be something special again. Oh, and don´t forget the Lani stream. Beast Crew! And all that swag. | ||
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imre
France9263 Posts
like spreading bullshit on NSHS? I don't know what you want to do except announcing that it's clearly not worth it, as a ticket holder you're screwed anyway... | ||
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BeyondCtrL
Sweden642 Posts
On August 12 2012 09:00 starception wrote: Foreigner team: Naniwa, Stephano, Thorzain, Scarlett, and Nerchio Korean team: Top 5 GSL LOL! Well, let's hope you're not the one deciding. Those are two good players, but not in the top 5 of best foreigners. MaNa, SaSe, and VortiX are clearly better choices. | ||
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SolidMustard
France1515 Posts
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HooK2000
Germany139 Posts
On August 12 2012 09:00 Glurkenspurk wrote: Well let's just hope they let GOM do all the production. Yes please! | ||
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Mirrikh
Romania105 Posts
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On August 12 2012 21:27 BeyondCtrL wrote: LOL! Well, let's hope you're not the one deciding. Those are two good players, but not in the top 5 of best foreigners. MaNa, SaSe, and VortiX are clearly better choices. i reckon nerchio is pretty comparable if not better than mana sase and vortix | ||
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Yorbon
Netherlands4272 Posts
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OzVelas
Bulgaria516 Posts
On August 12 2012 21:50 opterown wrote: i reckon nerchio is pretty comparable if not better than mana sase and vortix hes better.. Nerchio is top3 foreigner without a doubt. | ||
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isaachukfan
Canada785 Posts
What disturbs me more is how MLG+Kespa and IPL+Gom are getting into an arms race over who can deliver more korean content in one torunament so they are trying to stuff in too much in 1 weekend, eventually it'll just backfire too hard and e-sports as a whole will suffer, we need to all work together for the future of esports, particularly in korea where LoL is becoming more of an esport than SC2. Also, for WC, F: Naniwa, Thorzain, Ret, Stephano, SaSe | ||
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chocopaw
2072 Posts
Sure, it might sound epic, but we have enough weekend tournaments and GSL shouldn't be one of them. | ||
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provrorsbarn
Sweden766 Posts
BUT if gomtv takes over production completely....then im fine with it as long as they pick a venue with good Internet connection | ||
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SolidMustard
France1515 Posts
On August 12 2012 22:02 provrorsbarn wrote: I dont like this thing either......because IPLs production is horrible......they started off big pumped alot of money into sc2 produciton even though they had a massive internet problem at first event.....the last couple of events looked worse each time production wise.....seems like they dont really want to pump more cash into production....last event looked like a Wedding video from the 90s with sound issues.......and they didnt even had booths or lightning..... BUT if gomtv takes over production completely....then im fine with it as long as they pick a venue with good Internet connection PL4 was actually really decent, production wise imo | ||
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Uncultured
United States1340 Posts
On August 12 2012 18:42 Neobick wrote: He means that it kills variety because weekend tourneys are plentyful already. So it's like killing a member of an endangered speices, preparation tourneys in this case. Please don't strawman. You get to see GSL-players in weekend-tourney format all the time. Who are you kidding? Kills variety? This is a one time thing. Why are you acting like GSL format is going away entirely(talk about a straw man, lol)? And sure you see one or two GSL player in weekend tourneys. But not the full list of them that have worked their way up through Code A. Not the ones who have made it through the gauntlet, just one or maybe two if we're lucky. In this way we get to see how players who have done well in the GSL format test their mettle in something else. You guys are way over reacting. | ||
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Austria24417 Posts
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Sweden159 Posts
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Vralaren
Sweden130 Posts
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rename
Estonia329 Posts
There is just not enough time this november with all the most premier premier tourneys running their most premier events of this year in that month. | ||
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Femari
United States2900 Posts
On August 12 2012 22:04 Uncultured wrote: Kills variety? This is a one time thing. Why are you acting like GSL format is going away entirely(talk about a straw man, lol)? And sure you see one or two GSL player in weekend tourneys. But not the full list of them that have worked their way up through Code A. Not the ones who have made it through the gauntlet, just one or maybe two if we're lucky. In this way we get to see how players who have done well in the GSL format test their mettle in something else. You guys are way over reacting. It's a one time thing that crowns a false GSL champion. Being a GSL champion is about being dissected strategically and still overcoming that to be the champion. There is none of that with this. It defeats the purpose of being GSL champion. You take away the preparation that makes GSL the premier SC2 tournament and you have false champions. Champions that suddenly got hot. Champions that were able to win because they used something on someone who wasn't prepared for them. Again, GSL champions are prepared for, and those champions beat even who prepared for them to prove beyond a doubt that they are the best. Without prep, we have a false champion. Well at least in my eyes we do. | ||
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Goibon
New Zealand8185 Posts
However it will be awesome and i wish i could go. That is also unfortunate. | ||
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Goshawk.
United Kingdom5338 Posts
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MrKn4rz
Germany2153 Posts
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On August 12 2012 21:27 BeyondCtrL wrote: LOL! Well, let's hope you're not the one deciding. Those are two good players, but not in the top 5 of best foreigners. MaNa, SaSe, and VortiX are clearly better choices. scarlett is actually a likely pick, shes another player from NA to spread them out more, and she has more of a name in korea than most. | ||
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Lukeeze[zR]
Switzerland6838 Posts
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Lylat
France8575 Posts
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Xoronius
Germany6362 Posts
The return of the Korea -World showmatch is good, but I really hope they fly in extra foreigners, because if they use the foreign line-up, which is present at IPL5, things will end ugly. Nerchio is the only top-tier foreigner there (+ maybe major or Bly or Naniwa, if he gets top 8 in GSL). I would like it to be more players there though, bo9 is nice, but the bo15 last time was epic. Also a bigger showmatch could give GoOdy the possibility to qualify and beat someone, he is absolutely not supposed to. It will also be interesting to see, if kespa-players will be there, it would make the match a lot closer. | ||
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Lylat
France8575 Posts
On August 12 2012 21:27 BeyondCtrL wrote: LOL! Well, let's hope you're not the one deciding. Those are two good players, but not in the top 5 of best foreigners. MaNa, SaSe, and VortiX are clearly better choices. Pretty sure Nerchio is better than all the player you named. | ||
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zul
Germany5427 Posts
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Fragile51
Netherlands15767 Posts
On August 12 2012 22:52 Lylat wrote: Pretty sure Nerchio is better than all the player you named. Why are you people even having a player-dick measuring contest between foreigners when it will probably be decided by a qualifier tournament like last time? Sheesh. | ||
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halomac
Poland36 Posts
I really do hope that GOMTV would do something about that. | ||
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Zane
Romania3916 Posts
On August 12 2012 22:49 Lylat wrote: At least if Stephano wins this GSL it will give his haters a good excuse to belittle his performance Lol I think this is the least of the problems with this move. But you do have a point, this won't feel like a real GSL. | ||
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Rescawen
Finland1028 Posts
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Klipsys
United States1533 Posts
On August 12 2012 22:46 turdburgler wrote: scarlett is actually a likely pick, shes another player from NA to spread them out more, and she has more of a name in korea than most. There is no way scarlet is on par with top level Koreans. if they pick her to represent the best foreigner, it's an insult to people who are much better than here. She's good, but she aint that good yet | ||
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Chunhyang
Bangladesh1389 Posts
I'm really against this too. There's a huge difference in just credibility between GSL and any foreigner tournament, and I think so much of that is the preparation aspect. Why can't it just be the finals? You can look at it another way: a player has to do MORE preparation for this weekend than any other particular GSL day ever. I believe 3 matches out of any of 7 possible opponents can be prepared for. It'll be hard, but it will be fair. Anyway, this is fair enough advance notice so that players and teams can prepare themselves. | ||
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SolidMustard
France1515 Posts
On August 12 2012 22:53 Fragile51 wrote: Why are you people even having a player-dick measuring contest between foreigners when it will probably be decided by a qualifier tournament like last time? Sheesh. Dunno how Scarlett fares in a dick measuring contest, though xD edit: it's a joke, don't kill me | ||
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Mycl
Australia1370 Posts
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FatBat
Germany326 Posts
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MrKn4rz
Germany2153 Posts
On August 12 2012 22:59 Klipsys wrote: There is no way scarlet is on par with top level Koreans. if they pick her to represent the best foreigner, it's an insult to people who are much better than here. She's good, but she aint that good yet Name more then 2 Foreigners who ARE on par with top level Koreans. | ||
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Xoronius
Germany6362 Posts
On August 12 2012 23:08 MrKn4rz wrote: Name more then 2 Foreigners who ARE on par with top level Koreans. Stephano, Naniwa, Nerchio. Maybe not on par with the top of the top, but as close as you can get. | ||
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TeeTS
Germany2762 Posts
On August 12 2012 23:08 MrKn4rz wrote: Name more then 2 Foreigners who ARE on par with top level Koreans. ?? I don't know a single one.... | ||
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Technique
Netherlands1542 Posts
As far as i know sc2 is still nowhere near as popular as bw used to be (or still is) in Korea. And then they keep bringing the final of their biggest tournament to the US? What's the point? You pretty much screw over your steady fanbase by it, cause now they can't go and probably got problems watching it online as well due to different timezone. On top of that you screw Europeans as well, cause they are mostlikely gonna do it in the middle of the night for Europeans as most tournament finals held in America. | ||
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jaydee81
Germany119 Posts
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TsGBruzze
Sweden1190 Posts
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Martyrc
217 Posts
On August 12 2012 23:08 MrKn4rz wrote: Name more then 2 Foreigners who ARE on par with top level Koreans. Stephano, NaniWa, Thorzain, Nerchio. | ||
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ohampatu
United States1448 Posts
Foreigners: Naniwa, Stephano, Thorzain for sure. The last two are up for grabs. Nerchio/Kas/Vortix/Scarlett/Mana could all be good choices. But i would also like Illusion/Macsen for a couple of dark horses. Really, apart from the 3 listed, we dont have any 'good' foreigners left with the results needed to be in the group. Korea: Taeja, MKP, Seed, MC. The 5th is hard, really want a zerg DRG/Curious would be my picks. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Tournament: Im perfectly fine with hosting Ro8-Finals, doing each round on a seperate day. Yes its less preparation, but the KR coaches are pretty fucking good. I remember when STC was in mlg and couldn't beat (stephano??) the player he was pl aying. TheWind called him up and told him how to win. Shit like that is awesome. 1 gauntlet style tournament wont kill us. IPL wont be the production team, last time GOM was in charge of production. So that should be as high as normal for GOM standards. All-in All. Im pretty excited | ||
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Elurie
4716 Posts
On the plus side, Vegas is about 6 hour drive away. | ||
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TAMinator
Australia2706 Posts
Naniwa, Stephano, Thorzain, Sase, Mana and Nerchio. I think a more important question is, if all these players can/willing to make it. As for ro8 -> finals I just hope IPL don't have too many hardware failures (especially the last 2 team leagues they've had). Always good to have Korean tournaments in these locations, much better crowds compared to the korean crowds! | ||
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ohampatu
United States1448 Posts
On August 12 2012 23:26 TAMinator wrote: I think the general consensus is the possible 5 players would be a combination of: Naniwa, Stephano, Thorzain, Sase, Mana and Nerchio. I think a more important question is, if all these players can/willing to make it. As for ro8 -> finals I just hope IPL don't have too many hardware failures (especially the last 2 team leagues they've had). Always good to have Korean tournaments in these locations, much better crowds compared to the korean crowds! last time gom was in charge of production | ||
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Xoronius
Germany6362 Posts
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Sufinsil
United States760 Posts
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Rhaegar_tar
France847 Posts
Stephano? | ||
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killerdog
Denmark6522 Posts
If you are seriously telling me that this level of competition can be maintained while jet-lagged, playing in two tournaments and with less then a days preparation (which takes place in a much worse practice environment then a team house) then I wish you all the best in life, but i don't see how gom can possible see this as a good idea. Gom has based it's entire buisiness model off the fact that it is the only premier korean sc2 league, and therefore they can afford to have no vods despite broadcasting at shitty hours, and to have the free stream be 240p (with supply counts unreadable.) But with the OSL about to start they are suddenly going to have competition, so the only thing going for it right now is that it has the best games of any tournament in the world. If this ends up happening then GSL is basically relegated to just another weekend tournament, and i don't see how the "GSL champion" title will anywhere near the same weight compared to the title of "OSL" champion... Don't do this to yourself gom >.< | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
Smart by IPL, now people are sure to come to IPL 5. I just hope that IPL can deliver IPL 3 level production. | ||
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gedatsu
1286 Posts
On August 12 2012 23:08 MrKn4rz wrote: Name more then 2 Foreigners who ARE on par with top level Koreans. There are more than 2 players who will have a much better chance than her. Stephano and Naniwa are given, on the next tier is Nerchio and we also need a terran and Tzain is the best we've got (possibly Kas, but not really). For the 5th spot there are at least 5 contenders to look at before her. | ||
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ohampatu
United States1448 Posts
On August 12 2012 23:37 killerdog wrote: The people saying that a day is plenty of time to practice don't seem understand what it is that makes GSL unique, it's the same reason tournaments like OSL and MSL have always had such good games, and that is that the players spend several days preparing for each MAP in the series, they prepare a special unique build for each game in the series after having spent hours analysing vods of the opponents play to try and determine their weaknesses and this leads to games which are both unique and of the highest possible level. This is why the GSL is the best tournament, because every game played in it is a test not only of mechanics and game sense but also of a players ability to plan a BoX, to prepare specific strategies, to innovate and analyse. If you are seriously telling me that this level of competition can be maintained while jet-lagged, playing in two tournaments and with less then a days preparation (which takes place in a much worse practice environment then a team house) then I wish you all the best in life, but i don't see how gom can possible see this as a good idea. Gom has based it's entire buisiness model off the fact that it is the only premier korean sc2 league, and therefore they can afford to have no vods despite broadcasting at shitty hours, and to have the free stream be 240p (with supply counts unreadable.) But with the OSL about to start they are suddenly going to have competition, so the only thing going for it right now is that it has the best games of any tournament in the world. If this ends up happening then GSL is basically relegated to just another weekend tournament, and i don't see how the "GSL champion" title will anywhere near the same weight compared to the title of "OSL" champion... Don't do this to yourself gom >.< no one is disagreeing with all you guys who feel like posting the same exact thing over and over in a big wall of text just some of us dont mind a small change and a gauntlet style tournament. Yes, not having the preparation sucks. But its not the fucking end of the world. The finals will be better than most gsl finals, GSL is notorious for having bad finals. And that is partly due to the 'preparation' time you guys all seem to love. Kinda funny actually. Bad Finals=Constant Bitching for a few days, when the reasons the finals are bad are the reasons you love the tournament. | ||
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Shiori
3815 Posts
On August 12 2012 23:48 ohampatu wrote: no one is disagreeing with all you guys who feel like posting the same exact thing over and over in a big wall of text just some of us dont mind a small change and a gauntlet style tournament. Yes, not having the preparation sucks. But its not the fucking end of the world. The finals will be better than most gsl finals, GSL is notorious for having bad finals. And that is partly due to the 'preparation' time you guys all seem to love. Kinda funny actually. Bad Finals=Constant Bitching for a few days, when the reasons the finals are bad are the reasons you love the tournament. Anyone who thinks the GSL finals are underwhelming is an idiot. The GSL is where all of the metagame changes come from. Don't expect many if every game is played right after the next. | ||
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halim42
France95 Posts
stephano thorzain naniwa 100% best ok but scarlett hahaha trolling | ||
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ohampatu
United States1448 Posts
On August 12 2012 23:53 Shiori wrote: Anyone who thinks the GSL finals are underwhelming is an idiot. The GSL is where all of the metagame changes come from. Don't expect many if every game is played right after the next. Lol. There are have been 3 good finals in GSL in 2 years. 4-1 roflstomps are common. And no, the metagame changes come from KR, but not just the finals. And sometimes not even then (stephano changing zvp for instance). Im not disagreeing with you. Just stating what appears to be facts. Yes some people may think a 4-1 stomp is a good final. But id rather a 4-3 with back and forth action. Its both awesome and sad to see a player completely dismantle his opponent due to preparation. A gauntlet style tourney wont ruin esports. you'll live edit: and i never said they were underwhelming. But just because the finals aren't underwhelming doesn't mean they are good. Weve only recently had good GSL finals. We went through 1.5 years of shitty rofl stomps | ||
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Zer atai
United States691 Posts
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
On August 12 2012 23:25 ohampatu wrote: My 5v5. A bit differant than others. Idk why you guys keep putting players like MVP and Nestea in. They are not worthy in their current form. Foreigners: Naniwa, Stephano, Thorzain for sure. The last two are up for grabs. Nerchio/Kas/Vortix/Scarlett/Mana could all be good choices. But i would also like Illusion/Macsen for a couple of dark horses. Really, apart from the 3 listed, we dont have any 'good' foreigners left with the results needed to be in the group. Korea: Taeja, MKP, Seed, MC. The 5th is hard, really want a zerg DRG/Curious would be my picks. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Tournament: Im perfectly fine with hosting Ro8-Finals, doing each round on a seperate day. Yes its less preparation, but the KR coaches are pretty fucking good. I remember when STC was in mlg and couldn't beat (stephano??) the player he was pl aying. TheWind called him up and told him how to win. Shit like that is awesome. 1 gauntlet style tournament wont kill us. IPL wont be the production team, last time GOM was in charge of production. So that should be as high as normal for GOM standards. All-in All. Im pretty excited As for the 5v5, since it is kind of a "showmatch", GSL and IPL might just choose the big name players such as MVP, Nestea, MC, MKP, MMA, DRG, etc, over players who have looked strong recently but don't have such large fan followings. Of course, that's just theorizing by me. | ||
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ohampatu
United States1448 Posts
On August 13 2012 00:08 Zer atai wrote: How about let's compromise, have the Ro4 and the finals, not the quarterfinals. I agree that it would be better that way. Ro4 on first day, then 2 days to prepare for the final. Im not saying it couldn't be altered to be a better schedule. I just think the whole 'i hate gsl now because your ruining the preparation' argument is funny. Ideally I think you have it though. First Day-Ro4. Then they get the whole next day and half of another day to prepare/play in the other tourney/rest. And if it does start at Ro4. Then the player could prepare for multiple matches before heading to IPL. Which would degrade the preparation, but at least there would be preparation. I think alot of people understimate Koreans and preparing though. There have been numerous weekend tournies where koreans have had full sets prepared for prospective opponents. Tricky all-ins etc. The KR teams help eachother, and if GOM gives the people a bad schedule, the team will make up for it. They always do, cause they are boss. So yes, i understand everybodys issues, i just think its not the end of the world like others As for the 5v5, since it is kind of a "showmatch", GSL and IPL might just choose the big name players such as MVP, Nestea, MC, MKP, MMA, DRG, etc, over players who have looked strong recently but don't have such large fan followings. Of course, that's just theorizing by me. True they may. I realize GOM is a business so they will go for maximum revenue. I just think some of our newer GSL champions and upcoming players aren't getting the attention they deserve. They still feel like they are 'in the shadows' when in all realistic combinations, MVP and Nestea will prolly never again be who they were. We can't keep choosing the old gods over the new ones. It undermimes the up and coming players achievments. All depends on how GOM approaches it. Do they go for current max skill, or do they go for max revenue? | ||
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
On August 13 2012 00:08 Zer atai wrote: How about let's compromise, have the Ro4 and the finals, not the quarterfinals. Would be so much better. You can realistically prepare for 3 players, but not for 7. | ||
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sixfour
England11061 Posts
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Shiori
3815 Posts
On August 12 2012 23:57 ohampatu wrote: Lol. There are have been 3 good finals in GSL in 2 years. 4-1 roflstomps are common. And no, the metagame changes come from KR, but not just the finals. And sometimes not even then (stephano changing zvp for instance). Im not disagreeing with you. Just stating what appears to be facts. Yes some people may think a 4-1 stomp is a good final. But id rather a 4-3 with back and forth action. Its both awesome and sad to see a player completely dismantle his opponent due to preparation. A gauntlet style tourney wont ruin esports. you'll live edit: and i never said they were underwhelming. But just because the finals aren't underwhelming doesn't mean they are good. Weve only recently had good GSL finals. We went through 1.5 years of shitty rofl stomps A 4-1 stomp can be very illuminating and interesting. See Taeja's games. And yeah, gauntlet toruanemnts don't ruin esports...but we already have gauntlet tournaments. In fact, every tournament other than the GSL is a gauntlet tournament. People don't realize that the prep. time is what makes the GSL so prestigious. Every modicum of effort and strategy and skill is marshaled to take down one specific person. It embodies everything about warfare and strategy. It's awesome. Half the MLGs/NASLs/etc have relatively underdogs getting really far just by winning a lucky series with a gimmicky playstyle that the other player had no time to study. It cheapens the experience insofar as I don't feel that the strategic base of the game is advancing much. It's definitely exciting, yeah, but we already have that with MLG/NASL/DH/etcetc. | ||
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sixfour
England11061 Posts
On August 13 2012 00:19 Shiori wrote: People don't realize that the prep. time is what makes the GSL so prestigious. not really. it is prestigious because it happens to be based where all the good players are and was there before other tournaments. | ||
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Zane
Romania3916 Posts
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Gladiator6
Sweden7024 Posts
On August 13 2012 00:11 Bagration wrote: As for the 5v5, since it is kind of a "showmatch", GSL and IPL might just choose the big name players such as MVP, Nestea, MC, MKP, MMA, DRG, etc, over players who have looked strong recently but don't have such large fan followings. Of course, that's just theorizing by me. Or they could take Taeja, easy 5-0 :D | ||
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Dexington
Canada7276 Posts
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MrKn4rz
Germany2153 Posts
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
On August 13 2012 00:13 ohampatu wrote: True they may. I realize GOM is a business so they will go for maximum revenue. I just think some of our newer GSL champions and upcoming players aren't getting the attention they deserve. They still feel like they are 'in the shadows' when in all realistic combinations, MVP and Nestea will prolly never again be who they were. We can't keep choosing the old gods over the new ones. It undermimes the up and coming players achievments. All depends on how GOM approaches it. Do they go for current max skill, or do they go for max revenue? + Show Spoiler + One of the problems with the up and coming players is that it is hard to know which players are going to be good long-term, and which players are going to be "flash in the pan players". For example, players like TOP, aLive, Losira, Jjakji were all at one point making incredible GSL runs and major tournament runs, and were all at one point considered top players. But all 4 of them have all had their "peaks" (Losira getting 2nd at GSL and MLG, TOP making Ro4 Super Tournament and 2nd in GSL, aLive making Ro4 GSL and winning IPL 4, Jjakji winning GSL November), but they were never able to really keep their dominant form for a long time. What separates them from players like MVP, Nestea, MC, MMA, is consistency: The ability to win repeatedly and stand the test of time. MVP, Nestea, and MC were all strong players from the early days of SC2, and are still strong players to this day. MC has made it to the GSL finals in 2010, 2011, and 2012. Out of the listed players above, MMA is probably the least consistent in the long-run, but even he has made it to the GSL finals 3 times in 2011, and has been winning premier tournaments as recent as May 2012, more than a year after he first led Slayers to a GSTL title. I think GSL and IPL will probably go for max revenue with the old guard. Bigger names = more viewership and interest, and plus the foreigners will likely have a better chance to put up a good fight, which would lead to more interest. (I spoilered the above because it is basically just a long rambling). | ||
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
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Neobick
Sweden208 Posts
On August 13 2012 00:16 sixfour wrote: aaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahaha just read the first two pages and cannot believe the amount of hate It's has nothing to do with hate. It just a stupid decision. You can love someone and still point out when they do something stupid. Comprende, amigo? | ||
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JustPassingBy
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ReboundEU
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Monsyphon
Canada190 Posts
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leo23
United States3075 Posts
hopefully gomtv is in charge of the production | ||
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ZeBigMarn
Australia30 Posts
Oh well, as long as the games are good I'll still watch. | ||
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Nuubie
Sweden66 Posts
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
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asongdotnet
United States1060 Posts
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MrF
United States320 Posts
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TommyP
United States6231 Posts
On August 12 2012 17:19 NGF wrote: Foreign team: Naniwa, Stephano, Nerchio, Mana, VortiX Korean Team: MarineKing, MVP, Nestea, Taeja, MC Im a DRG fanboy, but I can honestly say that unless you are going off of life time achievements, that NesTea is not on the team ahead of DRG in any way shape or form. And if we are going off of life time achievements TaeJa is off the team. | ||
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Kleinmuuhg
Vanuatu4091 Posts
On August 12 2012 09:08 Fionn wrote: It's three weeks of GSL. Ro8 takes two days and then a week break for semifinals. Then the semifinals occur and the finalists get a week and a half to practice for the final. It makes sense when you realize we only have four months left in the year and GOM still needs to do GSL4/5 an Blizzard Cup. maybe you should put in the op that its 3 weeks.. would clear up a lot of confusion. I thought they would do Ro 8 -> finals on one weekend | ||
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ohampatu
United States1448 Posts
On August 13 2012 01:35 Kleinmuuhg wrote: maybe you should put in the op that its 3 weeks.. would clear up a lot of confusion. I thought they would do Ro 8 -> finals on one weekend Your not reading it correctly. Fionn is saying that its Ro8-Finals in one weekend for this IPL5/GSL finals. Normally that would take 3 or 3.5 weeks. Fionn is posting how much time is being 'saved' doing it this way, and showing the reason why. Unless they change it then it is only on the weekend. Thats what alot of the uproar/discussion is about. No confusion, except on your part | ||
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AC3
Canada337 Posts
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Darthsanta13
United States564 Posts
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zerger420
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r_con
United States824 Posts
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Azera
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NightOfTheDead
Lithuania1711 Posts
Foreigners: Naniwa, Stephano, Nerchio, Thorzain, Sortof/Mana | ||
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MarcusWC
Canada55 Posts
, One day, one day! | ||
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markrevival
United States222 Posts
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conz
United Kingdom163 Posts
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ohampatu
United States1448 Posts
On August 13 2012 02:24 markrevival wrote: you guys are so incredibly overestimating how different it will be. I cant stand how entitled starcraft fans are. constantly complaining about everything there is always the vocal minority. Doesn't matter if there is a post that says 'click this link to get 5 bucks' and its actually legit. There will still be a small minority that is louder than the majority. Its the way the cookie crumbles. | ||
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MetalPanda
Canada1152 Posts
Naniwa, Stephano, Nerchio, Thorzain and Mana forms the most obvious foreigner line-up | ||
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woody60707
United States1863 Posts
I for one can not wait to go. Going to Vegas is going to be sweet! I'm going to keep a watch out so I can get a ticket before they sell out to get in to that open tournament, and just getting to see the GSL finals live is going to be Awesome! | ||
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Shiori
3815 Posts
On August 13 2012 02:27 ohampatu wrote: there is always the vocal minority. Doesn't matter if there is a post that says 'click this link to get 5 bucks' and its actually legit. There will still be a small minority that is louder than the majority. Its the way the cookie crumbles. Yeah, cause clearly those are the same thing. Maybe some of us actually like the GSL because it's, I don't know, the most highskilled and competitive tournament in the world? Maybe some of us realize that the preparation time is a large part of what makes it interesting and drives the metagame forward? Maybe some of us don't need 300 gauntlet style tournaments a month? | ||
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mycro
Sweden1579 Posts
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Eruism
United States312 Posts
On August 13 2012 02:27 ohampatu wrote: there is always the vocal minority. Doesn't matter if there is a post that says 'click this link to get 5 bucks' and its actually legit. There will still be a small minority that is louder than the majority. Its the way the cookie crumbles. there is always somebody who pulls the vocal minority crap whenever a seemingly large amount of people do not share his opinion. | ||
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michielbrands
Netherlands1146 Posts
On August 12 2012 09:00 starception wrote: Foreigner team: Naniwa, Stephano, Thorzain, Scarlett, and Nerchio Korean team: Top 5 GSL how can you make a foreigner team without Ret? He is after Stephano, NaNiwa & Thorzain the best foreigner, and of all foreigners he is the most consistent, wether there are koreans involved or not, Ret plays top10 almost every tournament | ||
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Mozzery
United States140 Posts
Maybe IPL has decided to have their open brackets one weekend, their pools the next weekend, and championships on a third weekend to make it a huge three week event of awesomeness. With the Ro8 the first weekend, the Ro4 with Pool play the 2nd and the Finals with the championship weekend. Now, THAT would enable them to still have a week between each GSL match AND go at a pace that we can see both Open Bracket and Championship matches AND enable a hype train to build for any surprise players that get through open bracket. Even if it was a 2 weekend tournament with Ro8/Ro4 one weekend and finals another or Ro8 one weekend and Ro4/finals the other with open bracket/ earlier GSL matches one weekend and championships the other that would be a pretty cool change for IPL and not THAT bad for GSL, particularly if it's Ro4 and Finals same weekend, as one would have to prepare for their match and the potential winner of the other match, making where you spend your practice time an interesting part of strategy. We would debate whether Nestea in the semis, versing Squirtle with the other bracket being say MKP vs Taeja, how much he should focus on the Squirtle match-up, and how much time he should spend preparing for his potential Terran foe in the finals. Time Management then becomes another big thing, and it would be interesting to see afterwards if he wins if he thought MKP/Taeja had the better chance of winning and thus he prepared more for that particular player. Anyways, please let IPL 5 be at least 2 weekends | ||
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Lukeeze[zR]
Switzerland6838 Posts
On August 13 2012 02:46 michielbrands wrote: how can you make a foreigner team without Ret? He is after Stephano, NaNiwa & Thorzain the best foreigner, and of all foreigners he is the most consistent, wether there are koreans involved or not, Ret plays top10 almost every tournament Ret ? No, just no. | ||
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Havik_
United States5585 Posts
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Elurie
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On August 13 2012 02:48 Mozzery wrote: Anyways, please let IPL 5 be at least 2 weekends Do you live in or near Vegas by chance? :p | ||
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xBillehx
United States1289 Posts
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
Will be an epic weekend. | ||
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Whitewing
United States7483 Posts
On August 13 2012 02:46 michielbrands wrote: how can you make a foreigner team without Ret? He is after Stephano, NaNiwa & Thorzain the best foreigner, and of all foreigners he is the most consistent, wether there are koreans involved or not, Ret plays top10 almost every tournament I think Ret is better than Scarlett. Probably should have Major up there in place of Nerchio though, Nerchio is good but I don't think he's top 5. Major is a prick but he's good. | ||
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Vorenius
Denmark1979 Posts
On August 13 2012 00:23 sixfour wrote: not really. it is prestigious because it happens to be based where all the good players are and was there before other tournaments. The OSL was there before GSL and has as much if not more raw talent. Making this move at litterally the exact same time that OSL moves into SC2 seems like the worst idea ever. | ||
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Havik_
United States5585 Posts
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Shiori
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
on the other hand, it's gonna put top Code S competition into a different scenario which could be interesting, and it arguably gives some of my favorite players a better chance to win than they would have in regular GSL format (marineking, taeja,..) | ||
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Xoronius
Germany6362 Posts
On August 13 2012 02:54 Whitewing wrote: I think Ret is better than Scarlett. Probably should have Major up there in place of Nerchio though, Nerchio is good but I don't think he's top 5. Major is a prick but he's good. Nerchio is better than both, Ret and Major. He recently won HSC, beating MC and destroying Yonghwa. Major is ofc. an option, but guys like Vortix, SortOf, MaNa or Socke should be considered as well. | ||
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Shiori
3815 Posts
On August 13 2012 03:09 Xoronius wrote: Nerchio is better than both, Ret and Major. He recently won HSC, beating MC and destroying Yonghwa. Major is ofc. an option, but guys like Vortix, SortOf, MaNa or Socke should be considered as well. Major is easily better than any of the other players in your post, including Nerchio. | ||
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Xoronius
Germany6362 Posts
On August 13 2012 03:13 Shiori wrote: Major is easily better than any of the other players in your post, including Nerchio. Like I said, Nerchio won HSC, beating a top korean. What has major done, to be considered on par with him? Or MaNa, who recently won a DH? | ||
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Shiori
3815 Posts
On August 13 2012 03:16 Xoronius wrote: Like I said, Nerchio won HSC, beating a top korean. What has major done, to be considered on par with him? Or MaNa, who recently won a DH? It doesn't matter. If you watch their play, it's obvious who the better player is. Major wasn't even at HSC. Nerchio's games against MC were pretty bizarre and nonstandard, in addition. It's hard to say he has Stephano level ZvP on the basis of those games. Mana got 3-0d no contest out of TSL by a decent but unexceptional Korean Terran... Major is consistent and plays a solid style that seems to be competitive against top Koreans. | ||
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Rassefrasse
18 Posts
I wonder who the 5 foreign hopes will be. If I had to pick them I would choose (based on recent results and what I've seen on streams and tournaments): Nerchio, Stephano, Thorzain, Sortof and Nightend/Mana I know I'll get a lot of shit for not having Naniwa in my line-up. Truth to be told he has not played very well recently tho, and if we are to choose players on old merits, we might as well have Jinro, Idra or Huk in the line-up. Nightend on the other hand may not have won any tournaments, but his group stage results have been phenomenal. For instance 6-1 in map with Puma, Sase and Brat_OK, or 6-7 in r2 with Taeja, Mana and DeMuslim. I think they will pick Naniwa because of what he has done in the past. He's beaten great star koreans. That can however be said for a lot of players. Naniwa does, tho, draw attention to a tournament and has a huge fan-base. I would therefore be suprised if he was excluded from the official line-up. | ||
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Champloo
Germany1850 Posts
These 4 should be in the EU team for sure, they all won a major tournament recently. For the last spot I think Naniwa. | ||
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~Slicks~
Canada13 Posts
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Xoronius
Germany6362 Posts
On August 13 2012 03:20 Shiori wrote: It doesn't matter. If you watch their play, it's obvious who the better player is. Major wasn't even at HSC. Nerchio's games against MC were pretty bizarre and nonstandard, in addition. It's hard to say he has Stephano level ZvP on the basis of those games. Mana got 3-0d no contest out of TSL by a decent but unexceptional Korean Terran... Major is consistent and plays a solid style that seems to be competitive against top Koreans. Mana got 3-0 because he played bad that day, not because he is a bad player in general. If you watch his normal gameplay and that series, you see that there is quite a huige difference. I could be wrong about major, but the last time I heard of him, he got 2-0ed by Minigun in the first round of an NA-qualifier (IEM) and he has no good results at major tournaments at all, so I would prefer any of the guys I named earlier. But it is needless to discuss here, the spots will be given away to qualifiers anyway, I assume. | ||
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MrMotionPicture
United States4327 Posts
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Havik_
United States5585 Posts
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aristarchus
United States652 Posts
The world vs. Korea thing sounds fun, but in general this seems like it's really great if you're there in person, but not good at all for people watching the tournaments online. | ||
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pStar
996 Posts
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On August 13 2012 03:30 Havik_ wrote: The foreign team should be Stephano, Naniwa, Thorzain, and Ret for sure. Nerchio, Socke, Mana and others can compete for the 5th spot. Why am I hearing Major though? I haven't heard anything from him in the past year. not watching tsl4? | ||
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RaelSan
Belgium223 Posts
On August 13 2012 03:20 Shiori wrote: It doesn't matter. If you watch their play, it's obvious who the better player is. Major wasn't even at HSC. Nerchio's games against MC were pretty bizarre and nonstandard, in addition. It's hard to say he has Stephano level ZvP on the basis of those games. Mana got 3-0d no contest out of TSL by a decent but unexceptional Korean Terran... Major is consistent and plays a solid style that seems to be competitive against top Koreans. Or you can just say that in your opinion Major is better than Nerchio, because it may be true ( even if I don't think so ) but it really isn't " obvious " as you said, and that is a fact. | ||
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gedatsu
1286 Posts
Winning one match hardly qualifies you to a world team. | ||
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Shiori
3815 Posts
On August 13 2012 03:46 RaelSan wrote: Or you can just say that in your opinion Major is better than Nerchio, because it may be true ( even if I don't think so ) but it really isn't " obvious " as you said, and that is a fact. No, it really is obvious. I feel like a lot of the Nerchio/Mana/Vortix love is a Euro thing, so I can't relate. I honestly don't find any of them particularly amazing. Major is the only one I've seen play and develop a solid style born out of living in Korea (aside from Naniwa, Stephano, Sase etc). | ||
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Mozzery
United States140 Posts
On August 13 2012 03:13 Shiori wrote: Major is easily better than any of the other players in your post, including Nerchio. Major Easily better? I don't know about that. His results lately that are nice are the TSL qualifier victory and where he won 3-2 against Fraer, (Fraer still advanced to the TSL 4 main tournament on points where Kas won against him 3-0) and winning his round one match against Hyun 3-2. He also won WCS Mexico against Maker, (I'm sorry that I've never heard of JimRising, Zapo, CLOUD, and Dark, good luck to you guys at WCS NA though). I'd argue that recently, Nerchio's performances have been demonstratably better with HS victory that has been mentioned and a more difficult WCS run in Poland against Mana and Tefel. SortOf is possibly THE fastest rising player in the SC2 international scene. At WCS Sweden he took sets from Cytoplasm, a ZvZ beast who is on a 7-0 run against Stephano now IIRC. Then he ran through Bischu, Sase, Naniwa, Seiplo, and took a set against thorzain before finally being defeated. He beat Naniwa and Bischu again at NarCon 201. He beat Fuzer and Hero in Asus RoG group play round 1, Kas and Titan in round 2 before losing to Moon in brackets. Mana successes at Dreamhack 2012 need no further mention ATM, and he did reasonable against Nerchio in Polish finals after taking out DieStar. So Major EASILY better? Results have me thinking otherwise, though his skills may be improving to the point we can say that at some point soon. Right now though, no. | ||
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Shiori
3815 Posts
On August 13 2012 03:48 Mozzery wrote: Major Easily better? I don't know about that. His results lately that are nice are the TSL qualifier victory and where he won 3-2 against Fraer, (Fraer still advanced to the TSL 4 main tournament on points where Kas won against him 3-0) and winning his round one match against Hyun 3-2. He also won WCS Mexico against Maker, (I'm sorry that I've never heard of JimRising, Zapo, CLOUD, and Dark, good luck to you guys at WCS NA though). I'd argue that recently, Nerchio's performances have been demonstratably better with HS victory that has been mentioned and a more difficult WCS run in Poland against Mana and Tefel. SortOf is possibly THE fastest rising player in the SC2 international scene. At WCS Sweden he took sets from Cytoplasm, a ZvZ beast who is on a 7-0 run against Stephano now IIRC. Then he ran through Bischu, Sase, Naniwa, Seiplo, and took a set against thorzain before finally being defeated. He beat Naniwa and Bischu again at NarCon 201. He beat Fuzer and Hero in Asus RoG group play round 1, Kas and Titan in round 2 before losing to Moon in brackets. Mana successes at Dreamhack 2012 need no further mention ATM, and he did reasonable against Nerchio in Polish finals after taking out DieStar. So Major EASILY better? Results have me thinking otherwise, though his skills may be improving to the point we can say that at some point soon. Right now though, no. I'll grant you that SortOf is good. As a player, I think he's more talented than Mana/Nerchio. | ||
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RaelSan
Belgium223 Posts
On August 13 2012 03:47 Shiori wrote: No, it really is obvious. I feel like a lot of the Nerchio/Mana/Vortix love is a Euro thing, so I can't relate. I honestly don't find any of them particularly amazing. Major is the only one I've seen play and develop a solid style born out of living in Korea (aside from Naniwa, Stephano, Sase etc). Even if you're confident that you are right, it's still your opinion, it also took me time to accept that | ||
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Shiori
3815 Posts
On August 13 2012 04:00 RaelSan wrote: Even if you're confident that you are right, it's still your opinion, it also took me time to accept that Again, I don't really think skill is a matter of opinion, but that's for another thread. | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On August 13 2012 03:47 gedatsu wrote: Winning one match hardly qualifies you to a world team. not saying it does, but saying you haven't heard anything from him in the past year right when he crushes a TSL 4 qualifier and then beats Hyun in a comeback from 0-2 is silly. | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On August 13 2012 04:10 Shiori wrote: Again, I don't really think skill is a matter of opinion, but that's for another thread. skill isn't a matter of opinion. perceived skill is a matter of opinion. | ||
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Xoronius
Germany6362 Posts
On August 13 2012 04:10 Shiori wrote: Again, I don't really think skill is a matter of opinion, but that's for another thread. No, but how do you measure skill than? Most obvious thing would be results, but than major surely would´nt be that high rated. | ||
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Shiori
3815 Posts
On August 13 2012 04:18 jmbthirteen wrote: skill isn't a matter of opinion. perceived skill is a matter of opinion. Sure, but it's pretty easy to filter out perception and bias. For example, I don't actually like Major. I'm totally indifferent to him. He's bm and has a weird personality. But he's very, very good, and anyone should be able to see that. Mana and Nerchio are also good, but I don't believe their playstyle is very solid. Maybe it would be good in a 5v5 scenario, but I don't think it could ever have staying power in, say, the GSL. And I'd say the first measure of skill would be to watch games, look at mechanics, and look at depth of play. Results can be linked to results, but there have been a lot of really good players that are forever Kongs, and a lot of really bad players who coinflipped a win in Starcraft Bw/2 history. I mean, BitbyBit even managed to make headway in the GSL. | ||
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Xoronius
Germany6362 Posts
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SAFenix
Canada439 Posts
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Shiori
3815 Posts
On August 13 2012 04:30 Xoronius wrote: Mechanics are more a skale of potential, than actual skill IMHO. Take for example GoOdy. His mechanics are, as we all know, not that great, but he still has wins over MMA, Stephano, Nestea as well as about 60 cup-wins under his belt and is one out of two foreigners, who were able to qualify for the next MLG. Merz in comparism has about 4-5 times the apm of GoOdy, does less often get supply-blocked and so on. Would you call Merz better than GoOdy? I surely would not. I would say both of them are horrible (compared to other pro gamers) for different reasons. Their faults are different, but they're both so huge that they cancel each other out. A skilled player is really easy to point out. The best types of players are those who excel at everything. You can compensate for a bad skillset in one area with a superb skillset in another, but that still won't make you the best of all time. So yeah, that's why I think Major is a better all-around player. He's stabler, he has creativity, he has good mechanics, he played in Korea, and he doesn't usually rely on gimmicks to win. I've seen him win standard games against really good Koreans on a fairly regular basis. To me, that screams "skilled player" more than anything else. Mana and Nerchio are also good players, don't get me wrong, but I don't think they're at that level of stability yet. They still have an unrefined style that has cost them games from very simple things from time to time. I also think that both of them play a very "weird" style which is responsible for a lot of victories against confused opponents. | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On August 13 2012 04:22 Shiori wrote: Sure, but it's pretty easy to filter out perception and bias. For example, I don't actually like Major. I'm totally indifferent to him. He's bm and has a weird personality. But he's very, very good, and anyone should be able to see that. Mana and Nerchio are also good, but I don't believe their playstyle is very solid. Maybe it would be good in a 5v5 scenario, but I don't think it could ever have staying power in, say, the GSL. And I'd say the first measure of skill would be to watch games, look at mechanics, and look at depth of play. Results can be linked to results, but there have been a lot of really good players that are forever Kongs, and a lot of really bad players who coinflipped a win in Starcraft Bw/2 history. I mean, BitbyBit even managed to make headway in the GSL. yes, back in the early days of sc2 where no one knew how to play. Thats not the case now. Don't get me wrong, Major is a very good player, one of the best foreign Terrans for sure. But to say he is better than Nerchio or Mana is a little much. Nerchio absolutely wrecked through HSC V. Thats more than anything Major has ever done. Mana dominated DreamHack Summer, also more than what Major has done. Mana also gave Taeja the closest series we've seen since MC vs Taeja in the GSL a month ago. Part of being a top player is getting those results. You can be a practice monster, but it means nothing when you don't win. Right now, Major hasn't won. Nerchio and Mana have. Thats a huge step that Major needs to take still. | ||
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amazingoopah
United States1925 Posts
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Zeon0
Austria2995 Posts
On August 13 2012 03:47 Shiori wrote: No, it really is obvious. I feel like a lot of the Nerchio/Mana/Vortix love is a Euro thing, so I can't relate. I honestly don't find any of them particularly amazing. Major is the only one I've seen play and develop a solid style born out of living in Korea (aside from Naniwa, Stephano, Sase etc). let me guess: u are american? maybe your love for Major is a NA thing? | ||
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Shiori
3815 Posts
On August 13 2012 04:36 jmbthirteen wrote: yes, back in the early days of sc2 where no one knew how to play. Thats not the case now. Don't get me wrong, Major is a very good player, one of the best foreign Terrans for sure. But to say he is better than Nerchio or Mana is a little much. Nerchio absolutely wrecked through HSC V. Thats more than anything Major has ever done. Mana dominated DreamHack Summer, also more than what Major has done. Mana also gave Taeja the closest series we've seen since MC vs Taeja in the GSL a month ago. Part of being a top player is getting those results. You can be a practice monster, but it means nothing when you don't win. Right now, Major hasn't won. Nerchio and Mana have. Thats a huge step that Major needs to take still. Of course, results matter. But I'm a bit old fashioned in that regard. I look at players and look for guys who have what it takes to get to the very top. That's why I thought Taeja was going to be huge even before he won ESV. It's why I still think Creator is going to start winning things sooner or later. It's why I feel that Byun's run at the GSL wasn't just a one-time thing. With Mana and Nerchio...I don't know. I look at their play and I see a very ladder-influenced style. Sometimes it works, and sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes they win spectacularly easily, but other times they get utterly crushed. I've always favoured players who win on the strength of sheer mechanics and solid play. To me, Major is the foreigner (aside from Stephano and non-PvZ Naniwa) that has that. I think Mana is close to obtaining this level of stylistic reliability. Nerchio, though, I honestly feel relies too much on blind countering his opponent (which won him games against MC) to be reliable in a long macro game. | ||
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Shiori
3815 Posts
On August 13 2012 04:41 Zeon0 wrote: let me guess: u are american? maybe your love for Major is a NA thing? I am Canadian, and I don't actually cheer for any foreign players. Koreans only. | ||
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NeMeSiS3
Canada2972 Posts
On August 13 2012 04:43 Shiori wrote: I am Canadian, and I don't actually cheer for any foreign players. Koreans only. I'm a Canadian, and I do actually cheer for foreign players. Koreans too. Look at me and how my opinion is so valid! ^^ lol Teasing teasing, I saw you responded to "let me guess, u are american" which is kind of a funny generalization. Anywho I can't wait for IPL5, I might even attend. | ||
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ACHward
Canada23 Posts
Other than that, the event should be entertaining. Congrats to IPL for getting this deal to go. | ||
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Zeon0
Austria2995 Posts
On August 13 2012 04:43 Shiori wrote: I am Canadian, and I don't actually cheer for any foreign players. Koreans only. so it is a Korean thing, cause he lives in Korea, case solved | ||
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neptunusfisk
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Shiori
3815 Posts
On August 13 2012 05:00 Zeon0 wrote: so it is a Korean thing, cause he lives in Korea, case solved Huh? Not really. There are lots of foreigners who have lived in Korea and not become that much better. However, I'd say all the best best foreigners have spent some time over there. I believe it was Naniwa who said that you need to play there if you want to be at the top. | ||
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Xcobidoo
Sweden1871 Posts
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svefnleysi
Iceland623 Posts
Especially if we have players advancing who are also playing IPL. | ||
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Kitaen
Austria466 Posts
remember: they will balance out races slightly, if you have 2 players of prolly the same skill they will chose whatever race they need more; its a showmatch afterall and nobody wants to watch 3 pvp's in a row | ||
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Entirety
1423 Posts
He can control all 5 bases. | ||
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Xoronius
Germany6362 Posts
On August 13 2012 04:43 Shiori wrote: Of course, results matter. But I'm a bit old fashioned in that regard. I look at players and look for guys who have what it takes to get to the very top. That's why I thought Taeja was going to be huge even before he won ESV. It's why I still think Creator is going to start winning things sooner or later. It's why I feel that Byun's run at the GSL wasn't just a one-time thing. With Mana and Nerchio...I don't know. I look at their play and I see a very ladder-influenced style. Sometimes it works, and sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes they win spectacularly easily, but other times they get utterly crushed. I've always favoured players who win on the strength of sheer mechanics and solid play. To me, Major is the foreigner (aside from Stephano and non-PvZ Naniwa) that has that. I think Mana is close to obtaining this level of stylistic reliability. Nerchio, though, I honestly feel relies too much on blind countering his opponent (which won him games against MC) to be reliable in a long macro game. OK, I think I got your argument and I understand your standpoint. I just rate mechanical play not that high, what makes me rate players like major or ret not that high (might have also smth. to do with infestor headbutts in Rets case). I just don´t see Major outsmart guys, who are mechanically on or above his level, which is smth. I see in Nerchio, MaNa, Hasu or GoOdy. I think Major can mechanically brute force his way through players who can´t match him in this regard (Which includes most foreigners), but if someone on his level plays a style, he might not know, or a style, which is prepared to match him, his chances decrease immensly. And in a korea vs. world world-showmatch I doubt, that he would get opponents, who are mechanically worse then him. | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
2. Naniwa 3. Major 4. Thorzain 5. Sase I'd say if Ret was in form and not mind fucked atm he'd be #5 other notables would be Mana, nerchio and idra. Can't wait though.. should be awesome. I hope they do the coach thing for the team as well | ||
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Troxle
United States486 Posts
On August 13 2012 05:30 iNcontroL wrote: 1. Stephano 2. Naniwa 3. Major 4. Thorzain 5. Sase I'd say if Ret was in form and not mind fucked atm he'd be #5 other notables would be Mana, nerchio and idra. Can't wait though.. should be awesome. I hope they do the coach thing for the team as well 1. Stephano 2. NaNiwa 3. Nerchio 4. MaNa 5. Kas Notables: Scarlett, Ret, SaSe, ThorZaIN, BlinG, Beastyqt Would be my guess or is that the official list Mr. iNcontroL? Korean List be: 1. Taeja 2. Nestea 3. MC 4. Genius 5. Mvp Possibly? Notables bein' Squirtle, MarineKing, Dongraegu, Puzzle, PartinG, Seed, Polt, PuMa, HerO, aLive | ||
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chris5180
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markrevival
United States222 Posts
1. Stephano(Z) France 2. NaNiwa(P) Sweden 3. Thorzain(T) Sweden 4. VortiX(Z) Spain 5. MajOr(T) Mexico as far as Ret - I would have voted ret ahead of VortiX as a second zerg until the last few months wear VortiX has been on tear and Ret has been pretty bad. everyone was cringing at his matches yesterday vs IM in SF | ||
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Shiori
3815 Posts
On August 13 2012 05:30 iNcontroL wrote: 1. Stephano 2. Naniwa 3. Major 4. Thorzain 5. Sase I'd say if Ret was in form and not mind fucked atm he'd be #5 other notables would be Mana, nerchio and idra. Can't wait though.. should be awesome. I hope they do the coach thing for the team as well It is extremely vindicating to know that you share my rough opinions on the top foreigners . Yay! | ||
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RaelSan
Belgium223 Posts
On August 13 2012 04:18 jmbthirteen wrote: skill isn't a matter of opinion. perceived skill is a matter of opinion. I was going to write that, then I told to myself this discussion is nonsense, but still happy that you spoke my mind ( with the same exact words) ! | ||
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Champloo
Germany1850 Posts
But knowing IPL, Quantic Illusion will be one of them for sure, LOL | ||
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gedatsu
1286 Posts
On August 13 2012 05:30 iNcontroL wrote: 1. Stephano 2. Naniwa 3. Major 4. Thorzain 5. Sase I'd say if Ret was in form and not mind fucked atm he'd be #5 other notables would be Mana, nerchio and idra. Can't wait though.. should be awesome. I hope they do the coach thing for the team as well I know you're biased and all and that's ok, but really? Idra is... not on my list right now. | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On August 13 2012 05:41 Champloo wrote: Why would anyone put Sase or Major in the top 5? What have they done compared to Nerchio, Stephano, Mana, Thorzain (all won a major tournament recently) or Naniwa (top 8 in the last 2 GSLs)? But knowing IPL, Quantic Illusion will be one of them for sure, LOL Have you seem Major play? He's been in Korea and not attending foreign tournaments, so he couldn't have accomplished anything. But there are also tons of Koreans that don't travel either, are you going to say they're nothing notable either? The reason SaSe and Major aren't accomplishing as much is because they aren't traveling as much (notably Major). I'd probably put Major over Mana. | ||
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StarVe
Germany13591 Posts
On August 13 2012 05:45 FabledIntegral wrote: Have you seem Major play? He's been in Korea and not attending foreign tournaments, so he couldn't have accomplished anything. But there are also tons of Koreans that don't travel either, are you going to say they're nothing notable either? The reason SaSe and Major aren't accomplishing as much is because they aren't traveling as much (notably Major). I'd probably put Major over Mana. SaSe is at like every major tournament. | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
On August 13 2012 05:45 gedatsu wrote: I know you're biased and all and that's ok, but really? Idra is... not on my list right now. Still one of the best ZvT's and has a good ZvZ. Obvious weakness in ZvP. He has more experience in big matches than almost anyone you can mention and he has more accomplishments than almost anyone you can mention. IdrA hating is all the rage right now (get the pun?) but he is still one of the best. Yup, even in 2012 where the numbers have fallen off dramatically. He still competes with the absolute best. | ||
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mememolly
4765 Posts
On August 13 2012 05:45 FabledIntegral wrote: Have you seem Major play? He's been in Korea and not attending foreign tournaments, so he couldn't have accomplished anything. But there are also tons of Koreans that don't travel either, are you going to say they're nothing notable either? The reason SaSe and Major aren't accomplishing as much is because they aren't traveling as much (notably Major). I'd probably put Major over Mana. for all Major's korean time he hasn't done anything, he seems to just be living off his korean training hype atm | ||
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Champloo
Germany1850 Posts
On August 13 2012 05:45 FabledIntegral wrote: Have you seem Major play? He's been in Korea and not attending foreign tournaments, so he couldn't have accomplished anything. But there are also tons of Koreans that don't travel either, are you going to say they're nothing notable either? The reason SaSe and Major aren't accomplishing as much is because they aren't traveling as much (notably Major). I'd probably put Major over Mana. I've seen Major a lot lately and he's definetly top 3 foreign terran atm, but for a tournament like this you really shouldn't pick him over people who won a major tournament within the last 3 months. There's just no evidence that he's better than these 5 (Mana, Nerchio, Stephano, Thorzain, Naniwa). And Sase travels A LOT to tournaments. He just isn't good enough. | ||
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Shiori
3815 Posts
On August 13 2012 05:49 iNcontroL wrote: Still one of the best ZvT's and has a good ZvZ. Obvious weakness in ZvP. He has more experience in big matches than almost anyone you can mention and he has more accomplishments than almost anyone you can mention. IdrA hating is all the rage right now (get the pun?) but he is still one of the best. Yup, even in 2012 where the numbers have fallen off dramatically. He still competes with the absolute best. I think if you could find a way to distill the Idra that shows up on his best days, bottle it, and inject him with it every time he plays, then he would 100% be a candidate for this tournament. It's weird. Sometimes he plays SO WELL but other times he just sort of rolls over and dies. And yeah, ZvP. I'm sure he'll come back eventually though. He works hard and is talented. | ||
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rhs408
United States904 Posts
On August 12 2012 09:00 Glurkenspurk wrote: Well let's just hope they let GOM do all the production. This was my first thought also. | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On August 13 2012 05:51 Champloo wrote: I've seen Major a lot lately and he's definetly top 3 foreign terran atm, but for a tournament like this you really shouldn't pick him over people who won a major tournament within the last 3 months. There's just no evidence that he's better than these 5 (Mana, Nerchio, Stephano, Thorzain, Naniwa). And Sase travels A LOT to tournaments. He just isn't good enough. Hmm... maybe SaSe does travel to more tournaments than I thought in retrospect (especially seeing the last few posts saying so, I'm prob wrong^^), but in terms of skill who's a better Terran than Thorzain maybe? Although I can agree with your argument that if you're going to have a tournament like this maybe you should pick people rather who have had a major tournament win, and thus I could understand Mana over Major. | ||
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mememolly
4765 Posts
On August 13 2012 05:49 iNcontroL wrote: Still one of the best ZvT's and has a good ZvZ. Obvious weakness in ZvP. He has more experience in big matches than almost anyone you can mention and he has more accomplishments than almost anyone you can mention. IdrA hating is all the rage right now (get the pun?) but he is still one of the best. Yup, even in 2012 where the numbers have fallen off dramatically. He still competes with the absolute best. why would you have someone on a team whose big game "experience" has proven time and time again that he'll leave games before they are lost or even games that he has basically won, his mindset is god awful for a team | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On August 13 2012 05:49 iNcontroL wrote: Still one of the best ZvT's and has a good ZvZ. Obvious weakness in ZvP. He has more experience in big matches than almost anyone you can mention and he has more accomplishments than almost anyone you can mention. IdrA hating is all the rage right now (get the pun?) but he is still one of the best. Yup, even in 2012 where the numbers have fallen off dramatically. He still competes with the absolute best. Sure, he's a top gamer, but you'd put him in the top 8 of all foreigners? I think that's definitely stretching it. | ||
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Xoronius
Germany6362 Posts
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StarVe
Germany13591 Posts
On August 13 2012 05:53 FabledIntegral wrote: Hmm... maybe SaSe does travel to more tournaments than I thought in retrospect (especially seeing the last few posts saying so, I'm prob wrong^^), but in terms of skill who's a better Terran than Thorzain maybe? Although I can agree with your argument that if you're going to have a tournament like this maybe you should pick people rather who have had a major tournament win, and thus I could understand Mana over Major. Foreigner Terrans are generally worse than foreigner Zergs and Protosses so why would you want to put more than one of them in a five man lineup anyway? Pick Thorzain if you want to, but then leave it at that. | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On August 13 2012 05:56 Xoronius wrote: To the guys, who are saying, major would outperform all other foreign terrans, if he would be at tournaments or he could´nt achieve anything, because he does not attend tournaments: He did try to qualify for MLG Spring Arena, but lost to SeleCT and Rain and he tried to qualify for IEM, but lost to Minigun. So it is not the case, that he would´nt try to go there. Disadvantage of cross server play? (Not sure where the games were hosted). | ||
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Champloo
Germany1850 Posts
On August 13 2012 05:49 iNcontroL wrote: Still one of the best ZvT's and has a good ZvZ. Obvious weakness in ZvP. He has more experience in big matches than almost anyone you can mention and he has more accomplishments than almost anyone you can mention. IdrA hating is all the rage right now (get the pun?) but he is still one of the best. Yup, even in 2012 where the numbers have fallen off dramatically. He still competes with the absolute best. Let's be honest, if Idra is going to be in the foreigner team the whole showmatch would lose its credibility. Nobody would take it serious then. | ||
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Xoronius
Germany6362 Posts
On August 13 2012 05:58 FabledIntegral wrote: Disadvantage of cross server play? (Not sure where the games were hosted). The IEM NA qualifier should have been at a time, where Major was in Mexico for WCS. Don´t know about the MLG one. | ||
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StarVe
Germany13591 Posts
On August 13 2012 06:00 Xoronius wrote: The IEM NA qualifier should have been at a time, where Major was in Mexico for WCS. Don´t know about the MLG one. Major didn't play IEM NA qualifiers. You might be mistaking this for NASL Season 4 Qualifier 1 where he "lost" to Minigun, but I think I read that he no-showed, he didn't really lose. | ||
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gedatsu
1286 Posts
On August 13 2012 05:49 iNcontroL wrote: Still one of the best ZvT's and has a good ZvZ. Obvious weakness in ZvP. He has more experience in big matches than almost anyone you can mention and he has more accomplishments than almost anyone you can mention. IdrA hating is all the rage right now (get the pun?) but he is still one of the best. Yup, even in 2012 where the numbers have fallen off dramatically. He still competes with the absolute best. I think his recent results are nowhere near good enough to be considered for top 5 foreigner. Having more experience in big matches doesn't count when you don't win them. He has 56% ZvT according to http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/players/600_IdrA and if that is "one of the best" then we might as well give up now. You can call it "idra hating" all you want, I still don't think that he is objectively even up for consideration here if we are compiling a team of the 5 strongest foreigners. | ||
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Champloo
Germany1850 Posts
On August 13 2012 06:02 StarVe wrote: Major didn't play IEM NA qualifiers. You might be mistaking this for NASL Season 4 Qualifier 1 where he "lost" to Minigun, but I think I read that he no-showed, he didn't really lose. Major got eliminated by Minigun (2-0) in stage 1 of the NA IEM qualifer. | ||
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StarVe
Germany13591 Posts
On August 13 2012 06:04 Champloo wrote: Major got eliminated by Minigun (2-0) in stage 1 of the NA IEM qualifer. Oh god, I'm stupid. I even looked it up and failed to see the relevant things. -.- | ||
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Thurken
961 Posts
On August 13 2012 06:04 Champloo wrote: Major got eliminated by Minigun (2-0) in stage 1 of the NA IEM qualifer. When did people start hyping Major? And why? (putting him over Nerchio, Mana...) | ||
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Shiori
3815 Posts
On August 13 2012 06:08 Thurken wrote: When did people start hyping Major? And why? (putting him over Nerchio, Mana...) Because he's really, really good. | ||
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Thurken
961 Posts
Can you link me a vod of a particularly impressive performance by him? I was never amazed by his playstyle, but I didn't see much of him... | ||
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RaelSan
Belgium223 Posts
On August 13 2012 05:52 Shiori wrote: I think if you could find a way to distill the Idra that shows up on his best days, bottle it, and inject him with it every time he plays, then he would 100% be a candidate for this tournament. It's weird. Sometimes he plays SO WELL but other times he just sort of rolls over and dies. And yeah, ZvP. I'm sure he'll come back eventually though. He works hard and is talented. About Idra, I'm pretty sure he has a bit recovered but has major troubles with his infestors control. I think the problem is that he puts them in the same control group as his whole army + in a second so he makes them attack then has to pull them back every time. Also he's to greedy and overestimates his game knowledge imo so I wouldn't even say he's better than Scarlett ( speaking about hidden skill ) About Major I have to admit he's the only koreanslayer in TSL 4, and could be the next big thing ; but even if I dont really believe in Mana anymore ( great but not amazing ) I don't have the same perception of Nerchio, for me his blind counter are proofs of his game knowledge and aren't always gambling, and his "I-don't-do-like-stephano" style is for me his weakness but manages to work thanks to his amazing mechanics ( earned on european ladder and the cheese feasts that are the online tournaments ) So for me Nerchio is better, Major beat Hyun, it could mean that he is at that high level of play,but Nerchio beating many more almost as good / as good / better korean players. But that's only my opinion, and not a fact because I didn't watched every one of their respective games. I also think Naniwa is a few steps above both of them, with great well-prepared builds and neat execution, and Stephano... For me Stephano was our last hope, he was meant to bring balance to the force, lead the foreigners to equality with koreans, lead the resistance in the war against machines, avoid judgment day, remove Marion cotillard from TDKR, become the first foreigner GSL code S winner but he won't come to IPL 5 and won't attend this gsl... Sad panda | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On August 13 2012 06:15 Thurken wrote: Can you link me a vod of a particularly impressive performance by him? I was never amazed by his playstyle, but I didn't see much of him... Just watch his stream. He's also one of the very few foreigners to manage to get GM on the Korean server. | ||
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Oreo7
United States1647 Posts
On August 13 2012 05:30 iNcontroL wrote: 1. Stephano 2. Naniwa 3. Major 4. Thorzain 5. Sase I'd say if Ret was in form and not mind fucked atm he'd be #5 other notables would be Mana, nerchio and idra. Can't wait though.. should be awesome. I hope they do the coach thing for the team as well I agree with your list - maybe sub in Ret for Major if Major doesn't make ro8 in TSL, but why the fuck is idra notable Koreans: 1. TaeJa 2. Seed 3. MC 4. Squirtle 5. MVP GSL winners/runners up and the hottest player in the scene | ||
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RaiKageRyu
Canada4773 Posts
It would be super awesome if a person managed to win both IPL5 and GSL on the same weekend. Something that MVP couldn't do with Blizzcon and GSL. | ||
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TommyP
United States6231 Posts
On August 13 2012 06:18 Oreo7 wrote: I agree with your list - maybe sub in Ret for Major if Major doesn't make ro8 in TSL, but why the fuck is idra notable Koreans: 1. TaeJa 2. Seed 3. MC 4. Squirtle 5. MVP GSL winners/runners up and the hottest player in the scene 3 protoss and 2 Terran? not going to happen Its more than likely they balance the races. They may even do it off GSL rank. Why would you put the two runner ups in over the first season champion too? | ||
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SEGGLE[8]
18 Posts
1. TaeJa 2. MVP 3. DRG/NesTea/Leenock, you might even put rorO up there lol but I guess not since he's a KeSPA player 4. MC 5. MMA (even tho he's been off the radar for a while now)/SeeD/.. Honestly, you could make at least 2 teams for korea and still be scratching your head 'bout which player to put on there as.. well we all know Koreans are just sick ballers and there are many of them. I do wonder tho, does anyone know what happened to Brown? He's completely off the grid or I'm just blind. SlayerS.Brown that is. As for foreigners..: 1. Ret (if he's in the mood/in the right mindset) 2. NaNiWa (I honestly don't like him whatsoever but I do acknowledge him as a player in general and honestly he IS one of the best foreigners) 3. Stephano 4. Thorzain 5. SaSe (I just like him in general even tho he plays P + imo he deserves to be on the list regardless of his achievements) There are other foreigners such as MajOr, IdrA, Huk, DIMAGA, SortOf,.. But still, the list is significantly smaller than the korean one. | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
On August 13 2012 06:03 gedatsu wrote: I think his recent results are nowhere near good enough to be considered for top 5 foreigner. Having more experience in big matches doesn't count when you don't win them. He has 56% ZvT according to http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/players/600_IdrA and if that is "one of the best" then we might as well give up now. You can call it "idra hating" all you want, I still don't think that he is objectively even up for consideration here if we are compiling a team of the 5 strongest foreigners. Actually 56% when facing the people he does is really good lol You have either very little exposure to the actual stats of these players or you have unreal expectations. | ||
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StarVe
Germany13591 Posts
On August 13 2012 06:38 iNcontroL wrote: Actually 56% when facing the people he does is really good lol You have either very little exposure to the actual stats of these players or you have unreal expectations. 38% this year. | ||
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mrjpark
United States276 Posts
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Oreo7
United States1647 Posts
On August 13 2012 06:38 iNcontroL wrote: Actually 56% when facing the people he does is really good lol You have either very little exposure to the actual stats of these players or you have unreal expectations. His best result in ZvT is losing to TaeJa 1-3 and beating MKP on cross server play. His victories besides that are against Cloud and STX (who?). His losses are to: Thorzain Dream Select STX (who?) Not that impressive. | ||
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neptunusfisk
2286 Posts
On August 13 2012 02:54 Vorenius wrote: The OSL was there before GSL and has as much if not more raw talent. Making this move at litterally the exact same time that OSL moves into SC2 seems like the worst idea ever. You seem to be aware that the OSL was a BW tournament, so what do you even mean? I'm confused. Yes, the OSL is older. The MSL and even MLG is older than GSL. I mean, the friggin olympic games existed before the GSL. But none of them had Starcraft 2 at a prestigeous level before the GSL. (and OSL maybe being at a higher level than SC2? lol) | ||
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Thruth
Poland112 Posts
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Bigtony
United States1606 Posts
Do I feel a little bad for the GSL die hards? I do. The format is unique and while I'm not a fan, it has its merits. | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On August 13 2012 06:52 Oreo7 wrote: His best result in ZvT is losing to TaeJa 1-3 and beating MKP on cross server play. His victories besides that are against Cloud and STX (who?). His losses are to: Thorzain Dream Select STX (who?) Not that impressive. STX is a pretty good/top NA Terran if you've never heard of him. But that's about it. | ||
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RaelSan
Belgium223 Posts
On August 13 2012 07:03 Thruth wrote: How is Major a "korean slayer"? The f*#k? And how can you say he or Scarlett are better than Nerchio -_- WTF? did you even read my post? | ||
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StrykerSC2
United States11 Posts
I'm sure this has been said lots already, but I didn't want to read through the whole thread. | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
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NeMeSiS3
Canada2972 Posts
/endrant I apologize, but the people arguing this must have either A) No ability to compare relative skill levels or B) are so bad at the game they can't tell the difference between Taeja and Avilo so they just throw random names in random orders. | ||
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sam05396
United States783 Posts
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RaiKageRyu
Canada4773 Posts
On August 12 2012 11:54 FXOBoSs wrote: Congratulations IPL... Your desperation, and GOM's apparently, has just made the RO8 onwards completely random. Perhaps Bitbybit can win code S this season... Hmm. So Leenock got lucky at MLG Providence? I see. | ||
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TommyP
United States6231 Posts
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tylerf
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Greggle
United States1131 Posts
On August 13 2012 06:36 SEGGLE[8] wrote: For the koreans I'd put something like 1. TaeJa 2. MVP 3. DRG/NesTea/Leenock, you might even put rorO up there lol but I guess not since he's a KeSPA player 4. MC 5. MMA (even tho he's been off the radar for a while now)/SeeD/.. Honestly, you could make at least 2 teams for korea and still be scratching your head 'bout which player to put on there as.. well we all know Koreans are just sick ballers and there are many of them. I do wonder tho, does anyone know what happened to Brown? He's completely off the grid or I'm just blind. SlayerS.Brown that is. As for foreigners..: 1. Ret (if he's in the mood/in the right mindset) 2. NaNiWa (I honestly don't like him whatsoever but I do acknowledge him as a player in general and honestly he IS one of the best foreigners) 3. Stephano 4. Thorzain 5. SaSe (I just like him in general even tho he plays P + imo he deserves to be on the list regardless of his achievements) There are other foreigners such as MajOr, IdrA, Huk, DIMAGA, SortOf,.. But still, the list is significantly smaller than the korean one. Brown plays part-time while he goes to college and lives outside the teamhouse. That puts some heavy weight to the fact that he made it into Code S and took down Symbol in the GSTL semifinals. But yeah, don't expect to see too much of him. I have a feeling is SlayerS weren't so undermanned at the time he may not have been in the semifinals. But yeah, all that needs to be said about this GSL has been said. I will weigh it in my mind like half of a real GSL, sorry whoever ends up winning. And 5v5? The last World Championship showmatch was 8v8 =( | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On August 13 2012 09:09 RaiKageRyu wrote: Hmm. So Leenock got lucky at MLG Providence? I see. how is this relevant lol | ||
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Dranak
United States464 Posts
On August 13 2012 07:55 FabledIntegral wrote: STX is a pretty good/top NA Terran if you've never heard of him. But that's about it. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-international&type=players&id=600&part=games&vs=T&league=any&map=any&from_year=2012&from_month=1&from_day=1&to_year=2012&to_month=8&to_day=2&action=Update IdrA's ZvT for the year is 32.7%. His ZvZ is 48.7%, and his 36%. His numbers this year on the Korean TLPD are even worse. I'm not denying that his opponents are good, but he still has a 38% overall win rate for the year, which is pretty terrible. There's just no way he's one of the best foreigners atm. | ||
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jobber123rd
United States501 Posts
On August 13 2012 09:23 TommyP wrote: I was thinking about this and I believe that with GSL finals and WC there that IPL5 will just become a side show and nobody will really care about it. Would you guys agree? or disagree? Yeah -- I know that people are more concerned about the reputation of the Code S tournament, but I think this hurts the IPL tournament more (making it seem like IPL is incapable of standing on its own as a premier individual tournament, especially after what happened with the qualifiers). | ||
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NeMeSiS3
Canada2972 Posts
On August 13 2012 09:43 Greggle wrote: Brown plays part-time while he goes to college and lives outside the teamhouse. That puts some heavy weight to the fact that he made it into Code S and took down Symbol in the GSTL semifinals. But yeah, don't expect to see too much of him. I have a feeling is SlayerS weren't so undermanned at the time he may not have been in the semifinals. But yeah, all that needs to be said about this GSL has been said. I will weigh it in my mind like half of a real GSL, sorry whoever ends up winning. And 5v5? The last World Championship showmatch was 8v8 =( If I recall it was still 5v5 (bo9) so I guess they don't want players just sitting out etc. | ||
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MainXpring
33 Posts
- Stephano - Naniwa - Thorzain - SaSe - Vortix / Nerchio (Arguably) | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On August 13 2012 10:27 NeMeSiS3 wrote: If I recall it was still 5v5 (bo9) so I guess they don't want players just sitting out etc. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_GSL_World_Championship/TeamLeague bo15 haha | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
Disclaimer: The following is Bagration's inferred guess at the reasoning of Rai's and Boss' posts, and do not necessarily reflect the opinions of Bagration or anyone affiliated with Bagration. Well, basically Boss, like many others, feel that by putting the Ro8 to the finals of the GSL takes the emphasis off of preparation and more towards momentum and raw skill, as well as factors such as endurance. Boss claims that this makes the GSL "random", and that this would allow inferior players (such as Bitbybit) a greater chance at winning. Boss obviously appears to be against the decision to hold so much of the GSL at IPL 5. Rai counters that FXO's largest single tournament win, Leenock's first place at MLG Providence, took place in the very format that Boss is claiming is "random", since players do not have the opportunity to prepare for each individual MLG match. Thus, by bringing up this example, Rai decides to challenge Boss' post that claimed that weekend tournaments are "random". | ||
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Fearest
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Vei
United States2845 Posts
On August 12 2012 09:08 Fionn wrote: It's three weeks of GSL. Ro8 takes two days and then a week break for semifinals. Then the semifinals occur and the finalists get a week and a half to practice for the final. It makes sense when you realize we only have four months left in the year and GOM still needs to do GSL4/5 an Blizzard Cup. Yeah they reallllllllly dragged the last season out... | ||
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Laneir
United States1160 Posts
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Dranak
United States464 Posts
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Cantro
Canada117 Posts
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AirbladeOrange
United States2573 Posts
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Greggle
United States1131 Posts
On August 13 2012 10:33 opterown wrote: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_GSL_World_Championship/TeamLeague bo15 haha Fuck yeah, I'm down for another BO15. It's not longer than a normal day of Code S RO32/16 in terms of number of games. | ||
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weeA
India442 Posts
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NotJordy
14 Posts
[T] Taeja [T] MKP [P] Seed [P] MC [Z] DRG Foreigners: [T] Thorzain [P] Naniwa [P] Sase [Z] Stephano [Z] Nerchio | ||
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HotShizz
France710 Posts
On August 13 2012 10:53 Fearest wrote: Calm down guys, it's just 1 GSL that they will do this, obviously they're trying to reach out for more foreign fans and support. I'm sure the games will be awesome and the event will be spectacular. Can't wait ! It's great that you are so optimistic for the event, however for those of us that aren't it is important that we say that we think it's a terrible, horrendous, awful idea, so the decision makers at GSL and IGN don't ever try to repeat this. On the upside, I hope it means Tastosis will be at the event. It would be a welcome change, in my opinion, from the regular IPL casters, of whose style and banter I am not a fan. | ||
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aksfjh
United States4853 Posts
On August 13 2012 14:09 weeA wrote: I love the idea of the world championship there but the ro8 nah!!! 1 week or more to prepare one specific opponent produces some great match ups. Yea, all those GSL finals that go 4-3 are amazing! We had the good finals of Season 2 2012, but for the most part, we have one opponent show up ready and the other with his pants down. I respect the results of GSL far beyond any foreign tournament, but that has more to do with all the players involved. The games of foreign tournaments are far more exciting though. | ||
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FXOBoSs
337 Posts
On August 13 2012 09:09 RaiKageRyu wrote: Hmm. So Leenock got lucky at MLG Providence? I see. Going through an open bracket and championship bracket is not the same as prepping until RO8 then playing overseas non prepped. Your comparison is extremely flawed... you may also want to note many of the builds Leenock used would not work in a normal GSL format. Nice attempt at baiting me though. | ||
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Novalisk
Israel1818 Posts
Maybe they can call it "Code S Express" or something? | ||
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Kleinmuuhg
Vanuatu4091 Posts
On August 13 2012 01:38 ohampatu wrote: Your not reading it correctly. Fionn is saying that its Ro8-Finals in one weekend for this IPL5/GSL finals. Normally that would take 3 or 3.5 weeks. Fionn is posting how much time is being 'saved' doing it this way, and showing the reason why. Unless they change it then it is only on the weekend. Thats what alot of the uproar/discussion is about. No confusion, except on your part So I DID read it correctly the first time :/ Well that sucks then. Really sucks | ||
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Trasko
Sweden983 Posts
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mostevil
United Kingdom611 Posts
On top of that GSL without the preparation period? Thats just another crappy long weekend competition I strongly disapprove. :/ | ||
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Champloo
Germany1850 Posts
On August 13 2012 10:32 MainXpring wrote: Don't make it harder than it has to be. Foreigner line up: - Stephano - Naniwa - Thorzain - SaSe - Vortix / Nerchio (Arguably) Yeah, why make it harder than it has to be: - Stephano (won NASL) - Naniwa (2x ro8 GSL) - Thorzain (won DH) - Mana (won DH) - Nerchio (won HSC) - Sase (won nothing) - Vortix (won nothing) | ||
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ggrrg
Bulgaria2716 Posts
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Swap
Sweden144 Posts
On August 13 2012 18:43 Champloo wrote: Yeah, why make it harder than it has to be: - Stephano (won NASL) - Naniwa (2x ro8 GSL) - Thorzain (won DH) - Mana (won DH) - Nerchio (won HSC) - Sase (won nothing) - Vortix (won nothing) Yeah, why make it harder than it has to be: - Top 5 Sweden, so much easier to do the team graphics | ||
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GeedrAhsc
United States97 Posts
On August 13 2012 20:49 ggrrg wrote: I feel bad for all the players that will be playing both GSL and IPL. It would be even funnier if someone has to play GSL, IPL, and World Championship... No way in hell is such a player going to win any event... This. After WCS/MLG I've become increasingly wary about these multi-tournament events that happen in one weekend. The last multi-tourny event with GSL went really well, but hearing that the RO8 AND the Finals are being held together in one weekend with IPL makes me nervous that the players won't be playing their best throughout the weekend. Not only that, but I don't like the fact that GSL RO8 and the Finals are being held so close together. Changes in tournaments keep things fresh and interesting, but sometimes it just doesn't seem to be the sort of fresh or interesting change that needs to take place, especially if it may detract from the quality of games played by the end of the weekend. Hope IPL and GOMtv know what they're doing TT | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51481 Posts
Doing round of 8 to finals of GSL? Not cool. Idea is, the players have numerous days to practice cool strats and ideas on maps vs their opponent, to not have that time is not cool. Please dont do this GOM | ||
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snively
United States1159 Posts
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daredpanda
United States60 Posts
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ohampatu
United States1448 Posts
On August 14 2012 00:06 snively wrote: waaiiit, 5v5? actually 5v5? what is this its 5v5, but not a Team Game. Its either all-kill format or PL format. Like you know, the normal teamleagues. A bo9 | ||
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Shadow_Dog
Canada427 Posts
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cLAN.Anax
United States2847 Posts
On August 12 2012 09:00 starception wrote: Foreigner team: Naniwa, Stephano, Thorzain, Scarlett, and Nerchio Korean team: Top 5 GSL Ehhhhh.... Kinda leery on Scarlett and Nerchio. But then again, I can't think of any other current top foreigners to send in their place. ._. Korean team: Seed, Squirtle, Symbol, Taeja, aaaaannnnnd... fudge, I'm torn between BossToss and DRG. >.< | ||
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On August 14 2012 00:31 cLAN.Anax wrote: Ehhhhh.... Kinda leery on Scarlett and Nerchio. But then again, I can't think of any other current top foreigners to send in their place. ._. Korean team: Seed, Squirtle, Symbol, Taeja, aaaaannnnnd... fudge, I'm torn between BossToss and DRG. >.< Not sure how you can have Symbol but not DRG? DRG has been hitting a rough patch lately but Symbol's slump is even worse... | ||
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hli
Canada32 Posts
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
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S_SienZ
1878 Posts
On August 14 2012 01:11 hli wrote: Dunno what u guys are fussing over. You're basically saying the winner of this tournament should receive less credit than other winners... Which is totally unfair. They're gonna have to face ridiculously good opponents through and through to be crowned champion regardless of format, so why complain. I didn't know Starcraft players are only considered good when they win whilst given time to prepare Not less credit, but different kind of credit. The winner will be a GSL winner only in the sense that GOM stuck a GSL Code S sticker on an IPL dual tournament. In reality it would be more like winning an IPL or MLG due to the format. Sad considering now that most top Koreans attend international events, preparation was the one thing GOM had that made their tournament stand out. | ||
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ronpaul012
United States769 Posts
On August 14 2012 01:11 hli wrote: Dunno what u guys are fussing over. You're basically saying the winner of this tournament should receive less credit than other winners... Which is totally unfair. They're gonna have to face ridiculously good opponents through and through to be crowned champion regardless of format, so why complain. I didn't know Starcraft players are only considered good when they win whilst given time to prepare The level of opponents will still be there, but the level of recuperation will not be. One of the things that makes GSL so great, and hard for the players is the preparation they get to put into it. Normally for the finals, those players focus on that match-up on those specific maps, studying their opponent and going in ready for them. Once it goes from 8 to the 2, they won't have any preparation, or at least very little for their opponent. Normally the GSL is like regular sports. One week to prepare specifically for your opponent. Having runs like this makes it more like a bunch of scrimmages against different opponents. | ||
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1st_Panzer_Div.
United States621 Posts
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Neobick
Sweden208 Posts
On August 14 2012 01:25 1st_Panzer_Div. wrote: This will be interesting, very excited, really sad to see so many people complaining about too much awesome starcraft in a single event. Well if you just want pure awesome, I suggest pro wrestling. They sacrifice legitimacy for pure entertainment. Still don't understand that people don't see how this sucks. But well, time to stop and embrace the "More of X is better" logic. | ||
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Dispersion
Korea (South)504 Posts
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LeglessPuppy
United States190 Posts
On August 13 2012 20:49 ggrrg wrote: I feel bad for all the players that will be playing both GSL and IPL. It would be even funnier if someone has to play GSL, IPL, and World Championship... No way in hell is such a player going to win any event... Would be hilarious if one of the players won all 3 haha. | ||
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plutonowy
Afghanistan287 Posts
rest is far quite bad atm Nerchio and Mana out of form tbh Sase....?;/ Anyone will do same. Lose. kr? Seed MC DRG Curious Squirtle and its 5-0 or 5-1 | ||
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Darneck
Sweden1394 Posts
On August 12 2012 09:08 SomeONEx wrote: I'll like the crowd, but I'm afraid I wont like the (final) games. As many said, GSL = Preparation and this wont have much of it. Preparation doesn't always mean good games though like GSL finals has shown over and over on multiple occasions. Sure it makes them interesting in the mindgames and tailored tactics but those tactics are usually different cheeses which end the games within 10 minutes. I'm not whining about those games though, I'm all for players doing whatever they can to win but I don't necessarily like watching the games. Still prefer it over fake games that they purposefully try to make entertaining though. | ||
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Rhaegar_tar
France847 Posts
On August 14 2012 04:44 plutonowy wrote: Stephano Naniwa for sure rest is far quite bad atm Nerchio and Mana out of form tbh Sase....?;/ Anyone will do same. Lose. kr? Seed MC DRG Curious Squirtle and its 5-0 or 5-1 Yeah, seeing that there are only Protosses and Curious+DRG, Stephano might all-kill(he has winning record against DRG and Curious aswell).... | ||
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IPA
United States3206 Posts
On August 14 2012 02:33 Neobick wrote: Well if you just want pure awesome, I suggest pro wrestling. They sacrifice legitimacy for pure entertainment. Ridiculous hypberbole, and a poor analogy to boot. Well done! I would agree that this GSL will have a different "feeling" as compared to others but that will not diminish the achievement of the eventual champion. I will be there live, cheering for the swarm as always. | ||
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plutonowy
Afghanistan287 Posts
On August 14 2012 04:49 Rhaegar_tar wrote: Yeah, seeing that there are only Protosses and Curious+DRG, Stephano might all-kill(he has winning record against DRG and Curious aswell).... U see Stephano killing 3x GSL Champions in row + Coda A 13-0 and Squirtle.....? Well i dont. They dont need terrans to own EU/NA | ||
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Xalorian
Canada433 Posts
Less prepation for the players. Worst production crew ever (IPL), all stacked up in a week-end, so completly impossible to watch every game live if you have somewhat of a social life or some reponsabilities, players from korea will be jet lagged in a tournament that they normally participate in home country... Not happy. | ||
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RaelSan
Belgium223 Posts
On August 14 2012 04:56 plutonowy wrote: U see Stephano killing 3x GSL Champions in row + Coda A 13-0 and Squirtle.....? Well i dont. They dont need terrans to own EU/NA I dont think it is likely to happen but it could, did you see Squirtle vs Stephano at redbull arena ? There are Stephano and NA/EU, but both are not the same thing | ||
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plutonowy
Afghanistan287 Posts
i like Stephano and Naniwa chances cause they are both Code S level but rest? ages behind....anyway GL GG They rly gona play ro8 till finals in one weekend? WTF | ||
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LovE-
United States1963 Posts
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AceOfCakez
United States72 Posts
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ColdLava
Canada1673 Posts
The idea of preparing for an opponent is one of the biggest, if not THE biggest, factor in making a starleague great, | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
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proofy
Canada283 Posts
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Deshkar
Singapore1244 Posts
so many back to back tournaments for a player to go thru on a single weekend. really dont like the combination of all these. this is not even talking about the usual exhaustion from playing in the different country. the finals will be whoever is less exhausted. meh. finals will still be a gsl champion. but of a different sort. proleagues and gsl having a decent rest and preparation time are their unique selling points, than the usual weekend tournament slugfest. | ||
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IMLyte
Canada714 Posts
On August 14 2012 08:17 ColdLava wrote: What a terrible idea. Not happy with this. The idea of preparing for an opponent is one of the biggest, if not THE biggest, factor in making a starleague great, Exactly my thoughts, Only in the GSL do you see meticulously prepared builds to kill a specific opponent but now we can't see that ;( IMO Taeja will win if he makes it to Ro8 | ||
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kaarotto
Colombia38 Posts
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
David Ting @dting888 I will release the detail as soon as I can. We are waiting for the OK from one partner, but ETA is this week. See you at #IPL5. soon! i want to see how they took the community feedback into consideration if at all (i assume their announcement was delayed from the 13th due to this) | ||
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forsooth
United States3648 Posts
On August 12 2012 09:02 ShiroKaisen wrote: I whole-heartedly disagree with this. It might have been a scheduling necessity due to the WCS Korea taking up this entire month for GSL, but it really pulls the rug out from under GSL players who rely on week-to-week preparation like Mvp and Nestea, and favors streaky players like MarineKing. ...wait, this means MKP could win a GSL. I'm suddenly torn. Mvp has won multiple LAN style events, don't know what you're on about. | ||
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chaos021
United States258 Posts
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WindWolf
Sweden11767 Posts
On August 14 2012 13:02 opterown wrote: David Ting @dting888 I will release the detail as soon as I can. We are waiting for the OK from one partner, but ETA is this week. See you at #IPL5. Nice to see that IPL takes time and tries to make everything right. | ||
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Acritter
Syria7637 Posts
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markrevival
United States222 Posts
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BorgBeam
United Kingdom9 Posts
I understand that you can not always meet them but it is usually better to stay quiet. | ||
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Kinsal
United States66 Posts
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Oaky
United States95 Posts
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Assirra
Belgium4169 Posts
On August 14 2012 14:50 forsooth wrote: Mvp has won multiple LAN style events, don't know what you're on about. That was before his wrist got really bad tough. Imagine if he had to do IPL + GSL + korea vs the world now. His wrists would prolly explode. | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
In addition, we're taking a pause on our IPL5 announcements to address all of your concerns from production issues to compromising the format of GSL Code S. from reddit http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/y80mw/apology_from_ipl_and_a_promise_moving_forward/ | ||
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WindWolf
Sweden11767 Posts
On August 15 2012 07:14 opterown wrote: from reddit http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/y80mw/apology_from_ipl_and_a_promise_moving_forward/ It's nice to see that tournament organizers listens to community issues and try to improve. IPL is what got me into watching competitive SC2, and they keeps winning more of my respect. | ||
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VictorJones
United States235 Posts
On August 15 2012 07:39 WindWolf wrote: It's nice to see that tournament organizers listens to community issues and try to improve. IPL is what got me into watching competitive SC2, and they keeps winning more of my respect. And mine! IPLTAC3 was the first legit starcraft event in San Francisco to my knowledge so they have my support 100% :D | ||
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Greggle
United States1131 Posts
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SgtCoDFish
United Kingdom1520 Posts
I guess this doesn't really fit with the style of GSL. | ||
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Kuni
Austria765 Posts
On August 15 2012 18:44 SgtCoDFish wrote: I've never seen such a overwhelmingly negative response, wow. I guess this doesn't really fit with the style of GSL. Maybe that and the fact that IPL has constantly gotten worse since IPL3 adds up to it. Why fuck up GSL with a shitty IPL production. Even if Gom would do all the organizing for their RO8 there, it would leave a bad aftertaste. | ||
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Coolhwip
Sweden1381 Posts
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GohgamX
Canada1096 Posts
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Vul
United States685 Posts
Of course the GSL is known for its preparation-based format and people don't want that to change, but it's not permanent. I would hate to see a permanent change too, I think we need the GSL to stay as it is. But if they mixed in maybe one season of GSL per year that used this LAN format, it would be exciting. Plus I don't think we can even say that it will affect the quality of the games one way or another. It's impossible to have a format that guarantees a good final, one side of the bracket can always be weaker, some players are weak in a match up, etc. | ||
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VictorJones
United States235 Posts
A lot of people are complaining that GSL is not really GSL if there isn't time to prepare. To them I say that GSL is the league where the best players in the world compete with one another. It's supposed to be the hardest tournament in the world. I think that variation is a good thing because it rewards more than one type of playing ability. Players that excel on preparation will be rewarded but not as much as consistently if there is variation in the format. I like the idea that no matter what kind of player you are, you aren't safe in the GSL. Idk, this sort of fits my model for the GSL even though it's counter-intuitive at first | ||
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Neobick
Sweden208 Posts
On August 14 2012 04:52 IPA wrote: Ridiculous hypberbole, and a poor analogy to boot. Well done! I would agree that this GSL will have a different "feeling" as compared to others but that will not diminish the achievement of the eventual champion. I will be there live, cheering for the swarm as always. Not at all ridiculous. My point is that just because something is more "awesome" one way, doesn't make it "better". I did this by presenting the extreme situation, just to showcase how his argument was useless in my eyes. A common technique in debates. | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
Rod Breslau @Slasher David Ting confirms IPL5 and IPL6 to be in Las Vegas at the Cosmopolitan. IPL5 in late November, IPL6 in late March. @LiveOnThree Hmm this makes little sense... late november not only clashes with WCS Global and Dreamhack, it also doesn't work out with the GSL 4 schedule haha.. season 4 finals were scheduled for october 27th lol | ||
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Shiori
3815 Posts
On August 16 2012 09:54 opterown wrote: Hmm this makes little sense... late november not only clashes with WCS Global and Dreamhack, it also doesn't work out with the GSL 4 schedule haha.. season 4 finals were scheduled for october 27th lol he already said it doesn't conflict | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
ah, i'm not listening atm since at work haha; care to give a quick recap? also HBD :D | ||
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
On August 16 2012 09:59 opterown wrote: ah, i'm not listening atm since at work haha; care to give a quick recap? also HBD :D He said it doesn't conflict with DH or MLG, but does with a former partner of theirs. That only leaves UK Multiplay. | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On August 16 2012 10:02 Canucklehead wrote: He said it doesn't conflict with DH or MLG, but does with a former partner of theirs. That only leaves UK Multiplay, which is Nov. 18-21. However, that is sunday - wed, so I guess IPL will be Nov. 16-18. that means the weekend of 17-18, right? isn't that WCS global? | ||
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
On August 16 2012 10:04 opterown wrote: that means the weekend of 17-18, right? isn't that WCS global? Heh, forget my original dates, I was looking at Multiplay 2011 nov dates by mistake cause I just goggled UK Multiplay November and it brought me to last year's page. Trying to find 2012 winter dates now. | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
November 1 ESWC Day 2 2 ESWC Day 3 ----- 3 MLG Fall Champs Day 1 ESWC Day 4 4 MLG Fall Champs Day 2 ESWC Day 5 ----- 5 MLG Fall Champs Day 3 6 7 8 9 ----- 10 11 ----- 12 13 14 15 16 ----- 17 WCS Day 1 18 WCS Day 2 ----- 19 20 21 22 DreamHack Open Winter Day 1 23 DreamHack Open Winter Day 2 ----- 24 DreamHack Open Winter Day 3 25 DreamHack Open Winter Day 4 ----- 26 27 28 29 WCG Day 1 30 WCG Day 2 this is how my november 'to watch' list looks atm (some days may be a day off since i've adjusted for australian time zones) but the only 'free' weekend is 10-11 and that isn't 'late' november hrmm. would work out really well if 10-11 was ipl5 though, although i feel sorry for koreans if they play in code S as well as all the foreigner events haha | ||
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Fionn
United States23455 Posts
There is no way without pissing off fans they can stretch Season 4 out for three months. Especially considering that is one month longer than a usual season runs AND half the season will be condensed into three days at the tail end. Even if it was just the finals, GSL would have to do the Up/Downs between the semifinals and finals so that there isn't a huge gap. If it's late November and the Ro8->Finals thing is still true, then the Ro32/Ro16 should be done by the start of October. Meaning a month and a half/two month wait. Also would only give GSL one month to do season five and Blizzard Cup, which seems impossible. | ||
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
http://www.multiplay.co.uk/ | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
edit: unless it goes really late november as in ends on december 2nd | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
or perhaps it's nov 31-dec 2 (starts lateee nov but the weekend is dec 1-2). this clashes with WCG though o.O tbh mid-late oct would have been probably the best time for them | ||
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vandelayindustries
United States290 Posts
On August 16 2012 10:13 Fionn wrote: How the hell is IPL5 in late November? There is no way without pissing off fans they can stretch Season 4 out for three months. Especially considering that is one month longer than a usual season runs AND half the season will be condensed into three days at the tail end. Even if it was just the finals, GSL would have to do the Up/Downs between the semifinals and finals so that there isn't a huge gap. If it's late November and the Ro8->Finals thing is still true, then the Ro32/Ro16 should be done by the start of October. Meaning a month and a half/two month wait. Also would only give GSL one month to do season five and Blizzard Cup, which seems impossible. Good observations—one must wonder what GOM has planned for this. Maybe GSTL will be on a shorter schedule to fill in the gap? That still wouldn't explain the short timespan for Season 5 (I'm going to go ahead and assume that, given the time frame we're looking at, there won't even be a Blizzard Cup this year; I mean, how can there be?) though. | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On August 16 2012 10:22 vandelayindustries wrote: Good observations—one must wonder what GOM has planned for this. Maybe GSTL will be on a shorter schedule to fill in the gap? That still wouldn't explain the short timespan for Season 5 (I'm going to go ahead and assume that, given the time frame we're looking at, there won't even be a Blizzard Cup this year; I mean, how can there be?) though. https://sites.google.com/site/enjoygsl/schedule they managed to put in GSL4, GSL5 and BlizzCup. There's no GSTL here, but GSTL is on friday/sat anyway, so it would fit in ok | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
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vandelayindustries
United States290 Posts
On August 16 2012 10:23 opterown wrote: https://sites.google.com/site/enjoygsl/schedule they managed to put in GSL4, GSL5 and BlizzCup. There's no GSTL here, but GSTL is on friday/sat anyway, so it would fit in ok That website's dates can't be correct given the Season 4 Ro8-Final IPL collaboration though—it has GSL season 4 finishing before October is even over and season 5 beginning in the first week of November. | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On August 16 2012 10:27 vandelayindustries wrote: That website's dates can't be correct given the Season 4 Ro8-Final IPL collaboration though—it has GSL season 4 finishing before October is even over and season 5 beginning in the first week of November. i know, so this is making little sense overall haha hrmmmm. | ||
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vandelayindustries
United States290 Posts
On August 16 2012 10:31 opterown wrote: i know, so this is making little sense overall haha hrmmmm. Yeah, very strange indeed! I imagine we'll be getting more information after WCS is over. | ||
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Jordan_
Italy50 Posts
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WindWolf
Sweden11767 Posts
On August 16 2012 10:31 opterown wrote: i know, so this is making little sense overall haha hrmmmm. We'll just have to wait until IPL or GOM confirms what's really going to happen. | ||
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Havik_
United States5585 Posts
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aRyuujin
United States5049 Posts
edit: not to mension DRG + MKP | ||
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RaiKageRyu
Canada4773 Posts
On August 16 2012 10:31 opterown wrote: i know, so this is making little sense overall haha hrmmmm. huh? That dates make perfect sense. GSL 4 has to finish before November. And since it starts in September, it feels just right. Takes about a month before group stages are finished and then the Ro8 to Finals weekend finish in October with IPL. The GSL schedule seems correct. Hence, IPL should be in October. | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On August 19 2012 08:22 RaiKageRyu wrote: huh? That dates make perfect sense. GSL 4 has to finish before November. And since it starts in September, it feels just right. Takes about a month before group stages are finished and then the Ro8 to Finals weekend finish in October with IPL. The GSL schedule seems correct. Hence, IPL should be in October. excatly, ipl5 should be mid-late oct, except that it's been announced for late november haha. :p | ||
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Yonnua
United Kingdom2331 Posts
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On August 19 2012 08:31 Yonnua wrote: Maybe the GSL Ro8-Finals at IPL5 will be for Season 5 rather than season 4. Did they confirm that it was definitely season 4? If it was for 5 then it could be the week going in to the 2nd December to finish just in time for Blizzard Cup. season 5 ro8-finals coullddd work if they speed it up a bit, right now ro8-finals were planned for mid-late dec for season 5 and blizzcup for dec 24-31 i think haha but afaik ipl5 is no longer ro8-finals, they're changing it | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On August 21 2012 09:18 opterown wrote: so there seems to be a few more qualifiers: http://www.ign.com/ipl/all/news/more-ipl5-satellites-signup-today/ so some people will have qualified back in May for IPL 5 and some people will have qualified in pretty much November for IPL 5. This is ridiculous. | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On August 19 2012 08:31 Yonnua wrote: Maybe the GSL Ro8-Finals at IPL5 will be for Season 5 rather than season 4. Did they confirm that it was definitely season 4? If it was for 5 then it could be the week going in to the 2nd December to finish just in time for Blizzard Cup. err ninja'd, I should read first. On August 19 2012 08:33 opterown wrote: season 5 ro8-finals coullddd work if they speed it up a bit, right now ro8-finals were planned for mid-late dec for season 5 and blizzcup for dec 24-31 i think haha but afaik ipl5 is no longer ro8-finals, they're changing it What are they changing it to? Finals only? Do you have a source? | ||
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-niL
Canada1131 Posts
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On August 21 2012 09:30 Dodgin wrote: Has anyone considered the fact that maybe it will be GSL Season 5 there and not 4? err ninja'd, I should read first. What are they changing it to? Finals only? Do you have a source? no source, but on reddit kevinknocke said it won't be ro8-finals i think? but yeah, this is kinda funny, six month qualifier period haha | ||
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Hall0wed
United States8486 Posts
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WindWolf
Sweden11767 Posts
On August 21 2012 09:18 opterown wrote: so there seems to be a few more qualifiers: http://www.ign.com/ipl/all/news/more-ipl5-satellites-signup-today/ Mixed feelings about this. I want to see a huge double-elimination tournament, but with this the format might change. | ||
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Benjamin99
4176 Posts
On August 21 2012 13:24 WindWolf wrote: Mixed feelings about this. I want to see a huge double-elimination tournament, but with this the format might change. Best thing IPL did. The other qualifiers has been a complete disaster. Many good players couldn't participate because the qualifiers was scheduled same time as other tournaments. Glad IPL took this decision | ||
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WindWolf
Sweden11767 Posts
On August 21 2012 13:34 Benjamin99 wrote: Best thing IPL did. The other qualifiers has been a complete disaster. Many good players couldn't participate because the qualifiers was scheduled same time as other tournaments. Glad IPL took this decision I'm still super-surprised why IPL receives so much hate when the dates was announced way ahead but everyone says that it was announced with so short notice. And when MLG announced their qualifiers the very same week, then they didn't receive even one tenth of the criticism IPL got. Also, many Swedish players couldn't celebrate one their most important holidays because MLG had schedule a qualifier to take place during that weekend | ||
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Kiyo.
United States2284 Posts
On August 21 2012 09:40 Hall0wed wrote: I only read the OP of that but I think all he said was that they were looking into changing what they were going to do for GSL. I really hope it will be Finals only, RO8-Finals would absolutely kill that season of GSL without a doubt. If GSL players wanted to play a tournament like that then they would play in a tournament like that, that crap just doesn't belong in GSL. I think I'd be okay with GSL Ro4 on Thursday night and then Finals on Saturday/Sunday night. Would give 2-3 days to prepare, not as much as usual, but still a decent amount of time. But definitely not Ro8-Finals. | ||
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BadBinky
Finland649 Posts
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
https://sites.google.com/site/enjoygsl/schedule this GSL calendar has changed from what it was a few weeks ago. i do believe IPL5 will be GSL4 Finals only. they'll be starting GSL5 before GSL4 finals are done though lolol | ||
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WindWolf
Sweden11767 Posts
On August 21 2012 23:02 opterown wrote: they'll be starting GSL5 before GSL4 finals are done though lolol The OSL kinda did it, so I'm wonder why GOM can't do it as well | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On August 21 2012 23:09 WindWolf wrote: The OSL kinda did it, so I'm wonder why GOM can't do it as well gives the finalists a month and a half to prep haha | ||
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Kiyo.
United States2284 Posts
On August 21 2012 23:02 opterown wrote: i come bearing interesting tidings: https://sites.google.com/site/enjoygsl/schedule this GSL calendar has changed from what it was a few weeks ago. i do believe IPL5 will be GSL4 Finals only. they'll be starting GSL5 before GSL4 finals are done though lolol I don't see the Code S S4 finals in that list. What date are you seeing it at? If anything, I see GSL now has Code S5 Ro4 scheduled for the 30th of November. That would line up with IPL5's rumored Late November date. Could have the GSL Ro4 on the 30th and then the finals on the 1st/2nd. Then we have to wonder if IPL would really clash with WCG. I really liked that November 8th-11th date too, but it doesn't line up with GSL or what Slasher said. | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On August 21 2012 23:38 Kiyo. wrote: I don't see the Code S S4 finals in that list. What date are you seeing it at? that's the point, gsl4 finals only will be at ipl5 which is late nov =) | ||
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bbm
United Kingdom1320 Posts
On August 21 2012 23:38 Kiyo. wrote: I don't see the Code S S4 finals in that list. What date are you seeing it at? I don't either but that it lists Ro4 as its own event (11th oct) suggests its not the same datea s the finals. | ||
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Kiyo.
United States2284 Posts
On August 21 2012 23:40 opterown wrote: that's the point, gsl4 finals only will be at ipl5 which is late nov =) What makes you think that they wouldn't just do the S5 finals at IPL5 seeing as the dates lineup closer on that calendar? | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On August 21 2012 23:43 Kiyo. wrote: What makes you think that they wouldn't just do the S5 finals at IPL5 seeing as the dates lineup closer on that calendar? i suppose they could, but that makes it very little prep time | ||
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
On August 21 2012 23:02 opterown wrote: i come bearing interesting tidings: https://sites.google.com/site/enjoygsl/schedule this GSL calendar has changed from what it was a few weeks ago. i do believe IPL5 will be GSL4 Finals only. they'll be starting GSL5 before GSL4 finals are done though lolol I sure hope they don't start gsl 5 before gsl 4 finals are done. That would be even more retarded than ro8 at IPL because someone could get hot for gsl 4 and then you break up their rhythm by delaying finals and starting gsl 5 before gsl 4 finals are played? | ||
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Saumure
France404 Posts
On August 12 2012 09:00 starception wrote: Foreigner team: Naniwa, Stephano, Thorzain, Scarlett, and Nerchio Korean team: Top 5 GSL Who is scarlett? Should that be a troll like TSLUniden :D ? | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
GOMTV.net is proud to present the 2012 GSL Season 4. Witness the rise of a new champion! The 2012 GSL Season 4 returns with Up&Down matches on August 27th! The 2012 GSL Season 4 will be starting just 2 days after the WCS Korea Nationals, prepare yourselves for another page in this epic saga. GSL Season 4 will run from August 27th to October 20th Up&Downs starts from August 27th Code S starts from September 3rd Code A starts from September 18th I wonder what the "October 20th" date means for IPL5 now haha ipl probably going to host GSL5? | ||
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