EPTOn August 14 2012 12:01 Catchafire2000 wrote:
Motherships giving energy to early sentries will be awesome!!!
Motherships giving energy to early sentries will be awesome!!!
MC must be so happy
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mordk
Chile8385 Posts
MC must be so happy | ||
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Eraserhead
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oh yeah, and warpgate doesn't belong in a rts-game | ||
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aksfjh
United States4853 Posts
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Scila
Canada1849 Posts
- Mech STILL has no viable anti-air unit - Tanks are 100% useless. They really didn't do anything there, going pure hellion/warhound will be 100% superior unless tanks are buffed - Range on tempest and core are obv. way too high - Like me and many other people have already said ever since HOTS units were revealed, a "click to harass" unit is TERRIBLE design. It needs to be a unit that you MICRO in order to harass, not click an ability once and forget - Giving terran the 1a option isn't actually that bad, since terran requires by far the most micro at the moment. Yes, it would be better if they made zerg and protoss harder to micro, but it's Blizzard were talking about here. They put in dumb units like the Colossus because they "look cool" | ||
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yeastiality
Canada374 Posts
On August 14 2012 12:04 aksfjh wrote: It was a showcase for the average player. Not sure why everybody was expecting something along the lines of Taeja vs Seed. because blizzard has the capability to do that, but they know that if they do it will make the horrid design even more obvious? | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46209 Posts
On August 14 2012 12:00 SarcasmMonster wrote: I wouldn't jump to that conclusion just yet. Mothership core 3-shots Stalkers and it fires quite quickly. Maybe it'll give PvP the defensive advantage that it needs. Both players fast expanding?  Double fast expanding?  | ||
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schmitty9800
United States390 Posts
Mech has some wrinkles now for sure, but the bottom line is that it's still immobile. The toss didn't do anything with WPs to exploit that, hell he didn't do any econ damage past about 10 mins. We're still yet to see how things will shake out. | ||
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Mrvoodoochild1
United States1439 Posts
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
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TheDougler
Canada8313 Posts
On August 14 2012 11:58 Catchafire2000 wrote: PvP will still be the same. Any player trying to go for some fancy tempest tech will get 4 gated... Not even fucking close. First of all, 4gate has been dead for a long time now due to the awesome ramp vision nerf, and gets even more nerfed in a way in HOTS as you can't warp uphill. Furthermore, it's hard to say if tempest tech will be the big deal, but I can almost gaurantee that the purifier will cause WAY more expo builds. At least 2 base. We may still see colossus wars tho... hard to say. In anycase it's not even in beta yet. | ||
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Gosi
Sweden9072 Posts
From everything we have seen with unit designs, battle reports, new gimmicky mechanics in the game, Dustin Browder and David Kim's view on how the game should be played etc I have to say that I don't agree with much. Unless HotS beta is open for everyone to play and that it would turn out to be alot of fun, but also that DB and DK change up alot of stupid things in this game I'm pretty sure I won't buy HotS. | ||
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Moka
Canada942 Posts
On August 14 2012 12:01 Catchafire2000 wrote: Motherships giving energy to early sentries will be awesome!!! Imagine a cloaked blink stalker all-in/ cloaked delayed 4gate all-in / cloaked X all-in with oracles, lol | ||
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mordk
Chile8385 Posts
On August 14 2012 12:05 TheDougler wrote: Not even fucking close. First of all, 4gate has been dead for a long time now due to the awesome ramp vision nerf, and gets even more nerfed in a way in HOTS as you can't warp uphill. Furthermore, it's hard to say if tempest tech will be the big deal, but I can almost gaurantee that the purifier will cause WAY more expo builds. At least 2 base. We may still see colossus wars tho... hard to say. In anycase it's not even in beta yet. Colossus have a counter now, maybe it will be about tempest wars. Enough tempests can 2 shot colo easily, and with that range. Colo is gonna have to hit a timing to win | ||
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schmitty9800
United States390 Posts
On August 14 2012 12:04 yeastiality wrote: because blizzard has the capability to do that, but they know that if they do it will make the horrid design even more obvious? If the design turns out to be bad, you'll know it in beta. They just don't want alpha stuff out of their hands, and I doubt that pros are willing to give up WoL practice time to look at alpha stuff that's going to change heavily. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27205 Posts
On August 14 2012 12:04 Canucklehead wrote: Blame artosis for all the terran mech because he's been on a mech crusade since the game came out and blizzard finally listened to him. Artosis to be fair always stressed that he liked the divergence in playstyles between mech and bio, brute force vs mobility, and the positional battles that ensued. Not this  | ||
Whitewing
United States7483 Posts
But unit design just seems.... completely ridiculous. Terran now has a ridiculously powerful anti-light aoe unit in the battle hellion, that is super good at tanking damage and slaughtering zealots. The warhound is like a super buff anti-protoss marauder with more HP and more damage vs. mech. Those two units combined should be able to deal with anything toss has on the ground no problem. I guess phoenix will get a lot more play TvP, since no mech unit on the ground attacks them and vikings are pretty good against them (or is the thor still in the game? If so, pheonix are useless vs. mech). I'm just not sure what to do, it seems ridiculously hard to harass a terran army that is that much stronger than your own when they got a huge mobility buff... Fast units that do absurd damage vs. the entire enemy army except for zealots, archons, dark templar and high templar? Seriously blizzard? What a silly unit design. I guess archons will have to take the place as zealots in the matchup for the purposes of tanking, but I don't know where you're going to get the gas to afford them and the air units you need, along with a supporting ground army. | ||
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seansye
United States1722 Posts
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BoxingKangaroo
Japan955 Posts
On August 14 2012 12:01 Catchafire2000 wrote: Motherships giving energy to early sentries will be awesome!!! Because if there's one thing SC2 needs, its more forcefields.... | ||
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ZeromuS
Canada13410 Posts
On August 14 2012 12:01 Catchafire2000 wrote: Motherships giving energy to early sentries will be awesome!!! The man who uses purify against a baneling bust with only one sentry will cry himself to sleep. Wait, i can get by with less gas heavy sentries super early PvZ..... I can go for more tech builds!!! YESSSSSS! Pheonix + Fungal and recall AWESOME! | ||
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mordk
Chile8385 Posts
On August 14 2012 12:08 Whitewing wrote: I'm not sure what Protoss is supposed to do vs. Terran mech in HotS, and I'm not saying this as a balance whine, because obviously numbers can change easily. But unit design just seems.... completely ridiculous. Terran now has a ridiculously powerful anti-light aoe unit in the battle hellion, that is super good at tanking damage and slaughtering zealots. The warhound is like a super buff anti-protoss marauder with more HP and more damage vs. mech. Those two units combined should be able to deal with anything toss has on the ground no problem. I guess phoenix will get a lot more play TvP, since no mech unit on the ground attacks them and vikings are pretty good against them (or is the thor still in the game? If so, pheonix are useless vs. mech). I'm just not sure what to do, it seems ridiculously hard to harass a terran army that is that much stronger than your own when they got a huge mobility buff... That protoss didn't even get colossus. If you look closely, battle hellions stack almost as hard as marines, the will melt to colossus. | ||
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