EPTHeart of the Swarm TvP Battle Report! - Page 28
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TheDougler
Canada8302 Posts
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yeastiality
Canada374 Posts
On August 14 2012 11:52 Kettchup wrote: The Mothership Core is really the only Protoss addition that I like. Allowing them to be more aggressive without having to go all-in is definitely an improvement over WoL play. is it? it means they can attack with essentially zero risk at a bazillion new (more variable) timings neither of the other two races do that, including the one with gigantic map awareness (zerg) and the one with long range units (terran) the reason protoss has things like observers and oracles is that they're supposed to be about planned, decisive moments...not waddling zealots across the map, killing a queen and flying back for free it's gonna be gross! | ||
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Black[CAT]
Malaysia2589 Posts
This is your future ESPORTS people. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland23763 Posts
On August 14 2012 11:42 playa wrote: What difference does it make if it's initially scoutable when I have no idea what variant is coming before it's too late. It's a joke to basically have to fast expo against something that can be an all-in coming. If they make banshees I'm supposed to make a unit that loses to everything in the game and can't even take a banshee 1 on 1? Wtf kinda stupid counter is that? Gateway units are worthless without upgrades. 1/1/1 abuses that way too hard. Combine that with having to expo quickly... Takes so little skill to execute the 1/1/1 in comparison to defending it. If the super cannon was the only thing they added for toss, I'll take it. Good expansion. Anything else is a bonus. I wasn't aware people were having much of an issue dealing with the 1/1/1 anymore? It was pretty bad back in the day agreed but the standard builds of both races have evolved a bit, it's rarer for me to see one work, from my level to pro level, than it is to see it succeed Still never forgiving Puma for doing it vs MC time after time in that IEM Cologne though  | ||
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SarcasmMonster
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etofok
138 Posts
Actually, there is an interesting situation: 22 range of tempest MINUS 9 range of a viking equals 13 - range of tanks. Don't know how it will work, but you can't snipe tempest with your vikings over your sieged tanks because of stalkers sitting below a tempest still outrange your viking. But you can snipe an observer. I'm actually like a tempest, but mothership core is BS: 60 damage with 13 range? This is x2 as good as tank. Oracle seems not interesting, pretty one-dimensional. But still not "one-dimensional" like battlehellion and warhound. | ||
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AndAgain
United States2621 Posts
On August 14 2012 11:50 Shiori wrote: Pretty sure nobody is going to make one of these, let alone enough to one shot something. Shift-click mission. Is your mind blown? It's like a better version of the Phoenix harass that doesn't require any multitasking to use. Agreed. Why would anyone even go Mutalisk in HotS? Hey look, everybody! This guy already figured out how the game will be played. You don't know shit. None of you. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Moka
Canada942 Posts
Presented by Dustin Browder! | ||
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Shiori
3815 Posts
On August 14 2012 11:55 yeastiality wrote: is it? it means they can attack with essentially zero risk at a bazillion new (more variable) timings neither of the other two races do that, including the one with gigantic map awareness (zerg) and the one with long range units (terran) the reason protoss has things like observers and oracles is that they're supposed to be about planned, decisive moments...not waddling zealots across the map, killing a queen and flying back for free it's gonna be gross! They can do that once. With a high-energy Mothership Core. And yeah, actually, Terran/Zerg can do that because their early game units aren't so expensive that losing two of them puts them 200 gas behind. | ||
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Swords
6038 Posts
If people say it's okay I'll buy it. If it's a mess I'm waiting until LoV and hoping Blizzard gets their shit together so that expansion isn't a complete mess also. | ||
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Shiori
3815 Posts
On August 14 2012 11:56 AndAgain wrote: Hey look, everybody! This guy already figured out how the game will be played. You don't know shit. None of you. Ever heard of deductive reasoning? | ||
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Fishgle
United States2174 Posts
On August 14 2012 11:55 SarcasmMonster wrote: It's funny. Half of you guys are saying Tempest is brokenly overpowered. The other half is saying it's useless. Who to trust... personally i think it's the most interesting new unit besides the Zerg Viper/Scorpion/ what was it called? | ||
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Belha
Italy2850 Posts
-"The terran macro is so impecable in this game, with lot of units"- Day9 | ||
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mordk
Chile8385 Posts
On August 14 2012 11:55 Wombat_NI wrote: I wasn't aware people were having much of an issue dealing with the 1/1/1 anymore? It was pretty bad back in the day agreed but the standard builds of both races have evolved a bit, it's rarer for me to see one work, from my level to pro level, than it is to see it succeed Still never forgiving Puma for doing it vs MC time after time in that IEM Cologne though Immortal range pretty much fixed 1/1/1, alongside better maps. It's fine now. | ||
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Tabbris
Bangladesh2839 Posts
On August 14 2012 11:52 Pr0wler wrote: So that is what Dustie calls "Mech play"... A bunch of units made from the factory a-moved around the map. The only difference between that and the bio play is that bio actually requires skill. No siege lines, no slow pushes... Just a-move. At least make the Warhound missles manual cast... The lack of ideas in that design team is mind bogling. Do they really want to remove all micro and any other form of skill from the game, or they are just clueless... IDK at this point. "Mech" is refered as just mainly building mechanical units. Has been since fucking bw. Its just so happened that some mech units are more mobile now. Also jesus ppl are making a big deal out of 1 game. They were clearly aiming not to win but to show off all the units. Its like 2/3 of the ppl in this thread werent here for the sc2 beta. The game played drastically different then what was shown on some fucking battle reports | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland23763 Posts
On August 14 2012 11:56 AndAgain wrote: Hey look, everybody! This guy already figured out how the game will be played. You don't know shit. None of you. How do people expect Blizzard to make a decent game if the community doesn't make its thoughts known on what they are looking for, what they like, what they want etc etc? | ||
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Tabbris
Bangladesh2839 Posts
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Dalavita
Sweden1113 Posts
Also, recall allowing Protoss to do all-ins and bail as soon as they get in trouble. It's like Blizzard wants to screw over the earlygame. Nothing needs to be said about the Tempest. Get rid of it and bring back the Carrier. And it's nice to see that my predictions on how bad warhounds and battle hellions would be were pretty much spot on. Also, lolacle. The only thing that has any potential in HotS is the widow mine, and even that needs a couple of big changes. Why is Blizzard doing this to us? | ||
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NeMeSiS3
Canada2972 Posts
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Belha
Italy2850 Posts
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