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Swords
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
6038 Posts
August 14 2012 02:41 GMT
#481
On August 14 2012 11:39 Sc2Null wrote:
soo, I play zerg but doesn't the warhound...counter all of the protoss units?


From what I can tell, yes, except for air and chargelots, which can be countered by vikings and battle hellions. This results in a mobile MMM style army, only it's mech and has more hitpoints.
Fig
Profile Joined March 2010
United States1324 Posts
August 14 2012 02:41 GMT
#482
On August 14 2012 11:31 Wombat_NI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 11:30 WrexSC2 wrote:
I don't like the fact that if the Oracle gets near your minerals if it pops one ability it entombs ALL minerals at once. Why not have the player have to use it on each mineral patch?

I want more micro.... less autopilot!

Why not just give phoenixes no energy requirement to use graviton catapult? Would make for harassment that required active control and focus, maybe as a trade-off they could take away it's ability to shoot while moving?

Best idea I've ever heard!
Can't elope with my cantaloupe
Megakenny
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada829 Posts
August 14 2012 02:41 GMT
#483
I've been behind Browder and SC2 all the way, but this Battle Report... These new units... I'm not so sure I can stay with it.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25665 Posts
August 14 2012 02:42 GMT
#484
On August 14 2012 11:41 Sc2Null wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 11:40 Aratan wrote:
On August 14 2012 11:39 Sc2Null wrote:
soo, I play zerg but doesn't the warhound...counter all of the protoss units?


Not chargelots, they have battle hellions for that


so battle hellions + warhounds + tanks == ?? whats the toss counter?

Current state of affairs I'd imagine multiple warp prisms, drops all over the place, recalls into your base and repeat until you grind down your opponent?
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
August 14 2012 02:42 GMT
#485
Hmm.. maybe tempests can be useful in PvT in a completely different way... to counter drops while mobilizing your stalker army haha... a couple tempests with that insane range and some observers can snipe any medivac before any damage is dealt
SarcasmMonster
Profile Joined October 2011
3136 Posts
August 14 2012 02:42 GMT
#486
My main complaint will be the model of the Warhound.

(My second complaint will be the Tempest. Save the Carrier!)
MMA: The true King of Wings
Disengaged
Profile Joined July 2010
United States6994 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-14 02:42:51
August 14 2012 02:42 GMT
#487
The first thing I thought to myself when I saw that gold so close to the natural was

"Oh god, its Xel'Naga Caverns all over again."

But without the destructible rocks lol
pallad
Profile Joined September 2010
Poland1958 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-14 02:42:58
August 14 2012 02:42 GMT
#488
On August 14 2012 11:41 yeastiality wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 11:41 pallad wrote:
On August 14 2012 11:38 antilyon wrote:
60 attack at 13 range?
What they want to turn PvX? A NR10 game?

I didn't really liked the feeling of the game overall...
Oracle will be incredibly strong or underpowered, there'll be no middle ground just like reaper.
From this battle report it just look like a "build the right robots from the right houses" 1A game.


here we go agine..another balance shit talk ? , abouth game that isint even in closed beta stage ? omg..
WoL has half year in beta ! , go at you tube and watch some vids from WoL alpha.


WoL alpha had reavers and lurkers

YOUR MOVE BRO.


Move on what ? , you just proof me right
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Aratan
Profile Joined October 2010
United States90 Posts
August 14 2012 02:42 GMT
#489
On August 14 2012 11:42 Wombat_NI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 11:41 Sc2Null wrote:
On August 14 2012 11:40 Aratan wrote:
On August 14 2012 11:39 Sc2Null wrote:
soo, I play zerg but doesn't the warhound...counter all of the protoss units?


Not chargelots, they have battle hellions for that


so battle hellions + warhounds + tanks == ?? whats the toss counter?

Current state of affairs I'd imagine multiple warp prisms, drops all over the place, recalls into your base and repeat until you grind down your opponent?


But widow mines O.o
playa
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1284 Posts
August 14 2012 02:42 GMT
#490
On August 14 2012 11:37 Wombat_NI wrote:
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On August 14 2012 11:36 playa wrote:
The tempest probably sucks (for its cost) and will make pvz a lot harder, if it's to replace the mothership in being the answer to broodlords. It will be interesting to see how the oracle affects pvp. Even if all the units are rubbish, the only thing I really care about is the purifier being able to stop 20 apm Terrans that are playing blindfolded from getting free wins with 1/1/1. If that's the case, I'm sold. Big fan.

1/1/1 is scoutable, you shouldn't be able to DEFEND it blindfolded?


What difference does it make if it's initially scoutable when I have no idea what variant is coming before it's too late. It's a joke to basically have to fast expo against something that can be an all-in coming. If they make banshees I'm supposed to make a unit that loses to everything in the game and can't even take a banshee 1 on 1? Wtf kinda stupid counter is that? Gateway units are worthless without upgrades. 1/1/1 abuses that way too hard. Combine that with having to expo quickly... Takes so little skill to execute the 1/1/1 in comparison to defending it. If the super cannon was the only thing they added for toss, I'll take it. Good expansion. Anything else is a bonus.
Silentness
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2821 Posts
August 14 2012 02:42 GMT
#491
Am I the only one that feels like were being trolled by the new "destructible rocks". They literally blow up into MORE got damn rocks. I know someone joked about Blizzard making destructible rocks under more rocks, but they are seriously thinking it's a good idea. Hopefully they change their minds and remove it during the actual game release.
GL HF... YOLO..lololollol.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44602 Posts
August 14 2012 02:43 GMT
#492
On August 14 2012 11:41 Sc2Null wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 11:40 Aratan wrote:
On August 14 2012 11:39 Sc2Null wrote:
soo, I play zerg but doesn't the warhound...counter all of the protoss units?


Not chargelots, they have battle hellions for that


so battle hellions + warhounds + tanks == ?? whats the toss counter?


Immort-

Shit.

Just wait for the patch.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
TheGreenMachine
Profile Joined March 2010
United States730 Posts
August 14 2012 02:43 GMT
#493
Some cool APM opportunities i see for heart of the swarm are

-tempest harassment with focus fire since the long attack cooldown and the ability to overkill is too easy
-oracle harassment obv a nice apm sink especially considering how fast it is
-mothership energy boost thing, give energy to sentry or oracles early on. Later game i imagine recall is too useful to not use.
-widow mines might be good against air unit harass too (mutalisk anyone?)
Don't forget to get everyone you know to play HOTS so this game we love called Starcraft will live on. Every little bit helps. ^^
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
August 14 2012 02:43 GMT
#494
Going to rewatch before I make a longer post but, the one thing I did notice was that...

the warhound looks like it'll be god against protoss and other meching terrans...it's also sadly boring much like the roach :/
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25665 Posts
August 14 2012 02:43 GMT
#495
On August 14 2012 11:41 Fig wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 11:31 Wombat_NI wrote:
On August 14 2012 11:30 WrexSC2 wrote:
I don't like the fact that if the Oracle gets near your minerals if it pops one ability it entombs ALL minerals at once. Why not have the player have to use it on each mineral patch?

I want more micro.... less autopilot!

Why not just give phoenixes no energy requirement to use graviton catapult? Would make for harassment that required active control and focus, maybe as a trade-off they could take away it's ability to shoot while moving?

Best idea I've ever heard!

Yeah, I actually applied for Blizzard's design team but they turned me down, said that a triple figure IQ disqualified me immediately.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
yeastiality
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada374 Posts
August 14 2012 02:43 GMT
#496
On August 14 2012 11:42 pallad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 11:41 yeastiality wrote:
On August 14 2012 11:41 pallad wrote:
On August 14 2012 11:38 antilyon wrote:
60 attack at 13 range?
What they want to turn PvX? A NR10 game?

I didn't really liked the feeling of the game overall...
Oracle will be incredibly strong or underpowered, there'll be no middle ground just like reaper.
From this battle report it just look like a "build the right robots from the right houses" 1A game.


here we go agine..another balance shit talk ? , abouth game that isint even in closed beta stage ? omg..
WoL has half year in beta ! , go at you tube and watch some vids from WoL alpha.


WoL alpha had reavers and lurkers

YOUR MOVE BRO.


Move on what ? , you just proof me right


no, I proved you wrong, because tempests and warhounds are the OPPOSITE of reavers and lurkers
Aratan
Profile Joined October 2010
United States90 Posts
August 14 2012 02:44 GMT
#497
On August 14 2012 11:42 Silentness wrote:
Am I the only one that feels like were being trolled by the new "destructible rocks". They literally blow up into MORE got damn rocks. I know someone joked about Blizzard making destructible rocks under more rocks, but they are seriously thinking it's a good idea. Hopefully they change their minds and remove it during the actual game release.

Hah i was thinking the same thing. Destroy 500 life rocks, new 2000 life rocks spawn
Shiori
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
3815 Posts
August 14 2012 02:44 GMT
#498
On August 14 2012 11:41 pallad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 11:38 antilyon wrote:
60 attack at 13 range?
What they want to turn PvX? A NR10 game?

I didn't really liked the feeling of the game overall...
Oracle will be incredibly strong or underpowered, there'll be no middle ground just like reaper.
From this battle report it just look like a "build the right robots from the right houses" 1A game.


here we go agine..another balance shit talk ? , abouth game that isint even in closed beta stage ? omg..
WoL was half year in beta ! , go at you tube and watch some vids from WoL alpha.

Roaches and Marauders looked pretty stupid/simplistic/easy in WoL alpha. Hey, weird, they look exactly the same now.
0neder
Profile Joined July 2009
United States3733 Posts
August 14 2012 02:44 GMT
#499
I really wish Day9 would give honest public feedback about this game. He has friends who are game designers and he knows these units are dumb, but he won't say anything...
Fig
Profile Joined March 2010
United States1324 Posts
August 14 2012 02:44 GMT
#500
On August 14 2012 11:34 Picklebread wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 11:32 MCDayC wrote:
Am I the only one who liked the Tempest?

yeah i think so haha. What i really didnt like in the battle report was the toss durped with them so hard, like he didnt have stalkers under them so they just got target fired by vikings every time like really? they have like 23 range vikings have 9 they like shouldnt even be able to poke at them because stalkers should always be under them. Was really sad.

And this is the problem. Another tier 3 unit that toss has to babysit with stalkers. I think we're ready for something new.
Can't elope with my cantaloupe
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