• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 14:11
CET 19:11
KST 03:11
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt1: New Chaos0Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy5ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT30Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book19Clem wins HomeStory Cup 289
Community News
Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool37Weekly Cups (March 9-15): herO, Clem, ByuN win42026 KungFu Cup Announcement6BGE Stara Zagora 2026 cancelled12Blizzard Classic Cup - Tastosis announced as captains18
StarCraft 2
General
Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool Potential Updates Coming to the SC2 CN Server Weekly Cups (March 2-8): ByuN overcomes PvT block Weekly Cups (August 25-31): Clem's Last Straw? Weekly Cups (March 9-15): herO, Clem, ByuN win
Tourneys
World University TeamLeague (500$+) | Signups Open RSL Season 4 announced for March-April Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament WardiTV Team League Season 10 KSL Week 87
Strategy
Custom Maps
Publishing has been re-enabled! [Feb 24th 2026]
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 517 Distant Threat Mutation # 516 Specter of Death Mutation # 515 Together Forever
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ JaeDong's form before ASL [ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt1: New Chaos ASL21 General Discussion Gypsy to Korea
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL22] Open Qualifiers & Ladder Tours Small VOD Thread 2.0 IPSL Spring 2026 is here!
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2 Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
General RTS Discussion Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile Dawn of War IV
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Five o'clock TL Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Vanilla Mini Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine YouTube Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Cricket [SPORT] Formula 1 Discussion Tokyo Olympics 2021 Thread General nutrition recommendations
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Laptop capable of using Photoshop Lightroom?
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Money Laundering In Video Ga…
TrAiDoS
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
FS++
Kraekkling
Shocked by a laser…
Spydermine0240
Unintentional protectionism…
Uldridge
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2321 users

Heart of the Swarm TvP Battle Report! - Page 24

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 22 23 24 25 26 80 Next
Shiori
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
3815 Posts
August 14 2012 02:38 GMT
#461
in lotv rocks will randomly teleport around to mess up whatever build you're doing
Dalavita
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1113 Posts
August 14 2012 02:38 GMT
#462
On August 14 2012 11:23 Rah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 11:19 Swords wrote:
I just don't get why you'd even bother making tanks in TvP. You can basically do the same thing for cheaper and more mobility with warhound/battle hellion. And as a result you have more money for vikings and anti-air.


I remember people saying this about marauder.


Yes, and the marauder is the go to unit in TvP. What is your point?
antilyon
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Brazil2546 Posts
August 14 2012 02:38 GMT
#463
60 attack at 13 range?
What they want to turn PvX? A NR10 game?

I didn't really liked the feeling of the game overall...
Oracle will be incredibly strong or underpowered, there'll be no middle ground just like reaper.
From this battle report it just look like a "build the right robots from the right houses" 1A game.
babyToSS
Profile Joined December 2009
233 Posts
August 14 2012 02:38 GMT
#464
I love this shit! its like MMM except no need for medivacs and terran also gets splash on tanks and hellions..
babyToSS here! Can u go easy on me plzzz?
WrexSC2
Profile Joined August 2011
United States51 Posts
August 14 2012 02:39 GMT
#465
So the tempest has no abilities? It is only a range 22 unit that damages a single unit per shot?
stevarius
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1394 Posts
August 14 2012 02:39 GMT
#466
That game was rigged as fuck.

Some of those new units look horribly broken.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Darpa
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada4413 Posts
August 14 2012 02:39 GMT
#467
On August 14 2012 11:37 babyToSS wrote:
Lol. I love how mech is using its "mobility" against tempest based toss compositions.


yeah thats why i hate these. They dont show any real gameplay, just them racing to the new units/abilities. Kinda depressing
"losers always whine about their best, Winners go home and fuck the prom queen"
johnny123
Profile Joined February 2012
521 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-14 02:41:48
August 14 2012 02:39 GMT
#468
On August 14 2012 11:30 Kodak wrote:
So, to recap:

Entomb is an incredibly boring spell, and is completely binary in the sense that it either completely covers the patches or doesn't do anything. No micro involved from the other party, and no potential above force fielding the minerals. No idea who'd want to watch that as a spectator.

Blizzard specifically mentioned breaking up the deathball - and when they're given a complete vacuum to work inside of (in that the game could be completely staged) they still manage to only showcase two large blobs moving around the map. No real positioning, not even any use of the widow mine past the early game.

Tempest is just silly, it looks awful, does zero damage, requires T3 while leaving you without true splash. Remind me again how you're realistically supposed to get these out in the middle of a PvT. Similarly, Warhounds also look atrocious and are nothing more than an a-move unit.

I think the reason I'm so unimpressed is because this was the perfect opportunity to show a change in game pace, flow, and design - perhaps even exaggerate it a bit for the audience. Instead, we got a new mechanical marauder + tanks going up against STALKER/ZEALOT.

I used to be at the point where I wanted to like HOTS, but it's just so hard to be excited at all for it. It's hard to understand how Day9 and Rob can turn a blind eye to truly exciting gameplay and overhype (well, I guess that's what they do best) a mediocre-at-best "showcase"



-entomb might only be deceptively strong, the workers seemed to clean them up pretty fast, Blizzard can also easily reduce the shields on the minerals if needed to so workers can kill them faster.

- about breaking up deathballs, You cant come to any conclusions as yet

-Tempest looks good to me, Alot of people think that just massing a few vikings should take them out easily, but they dont factor in Recall as displayed here. Harassing tempests dont have to actually engage against vikings if they dont want to . How would you get them out in the middle of a pvt you say? with the help of mothership core ofcourse, it grants unlimited chronoboost and a big range cannon.

Im not saying you should be impressed, just i find your conclusions arent really well thought out. You can think whatever you want though, just my 2 cents.
Favorite players,Stephano/MVP/Nestea/Gumiho/Life/Jaedong/MMA
Sc2Null
Profile Joined April 2011
United States3754 Posts
August 14 2012 02:39 GMT
#469
soo, I play zerg but doesn't the warhound...counter all of the protoss units?
The great Spaghetti vs Screwdriver debacle of June '12" - Porcelina
yeastiality
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada374 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-14 02:41:20
August 14 2012 02:39 GMT
#470
On August 14 2012 11:37 FinalForm wrote:
so protoss don't have to demonstrate any map awareness with their harrass because of recall?

theres no element of calculated risk that separates pros from scrubs that just run around with no vision or no understanding of enemy unit movements


bro he had to spend energy to do it!!!

anyway, gonna reinstall BW and go be wood tier on iccup when this comes out. who's with me?
Kodak
Profile Joined March 2011
United States157 Posts
August 14 2012 02:40 GMT
#471
On August 14 2012 11:38 babyToSS wrote:
I love this shit! its like MMM except no need for medivacs and terran also gets splash on tanks and hellions..


Yeah, sounds totally awesome!

Remove some of the last bits of micro from the game, Blizzard you're almost there!
twitch.tv/crwnkodak [ Taeja | Huk | MMA ]
Windwaker
Profile Joined February 2012
Germany1597 Posts
August 14 2012 02:40 GMT
#472
this was the most terrible cast I have ever listenend to.
The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the iniquities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he, who in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother
Aratan
Profile Joined October 2010
United States90 Posts
August 14 2012 02:40 GMT
#473
On August 14 2012 11:39 Sc2Null wrote:
soo, I play zerg but doesn't the warhound...counter all of the protoss units?


Not chargelots, they have battle hellions for that
BlueBoxSC
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States582 Posts
August 14 2012 02:40 GMT
#474
I was not impressed at all, but either player's playing, Day9's casting alongside Rob, and the map was horribly small. The game felt fake, staged, and I hope this isn't how BW players felt when they saw SC2. Freaking showing the amount of workers on a mineral/gas line is... wow. I don't know why I don't like it, it makes transferring workers easier, but still...
BwCBlueBox.837
KonohaFlash
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada1590 Posts
August 14 2012 02:40 GMT
#475
On August 14 2012 11:39 Sc2Null wrote:
soo, I play zerg but doesn't the warhound...counter all of the protoss units?

Doesn't do shit against air. Zealots are biological as well.
Disengaged
Profile Joined July 2010
United States6994 Posts
August 14 2012 02:40 GMT
#476
On August 14 2012 11:39 Sc2Null wrote:
soo, I play zerg but doesn't the warhound...counter all of the protoss units?


Well, except Zealots. Your a Zerg so you have nothing to fear of the Warhound lol
pallad
Profile Joined September 2010
Poland1958 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-14 02:42:03
August 14 2012 02:41 GMT
#477
On August 14 2012 11:38 antilyon wrote:
60 attack at 13 range?
What they want to turn PvX? A NR10 game?

I didn't really liked the feeling of the game overall...
Oracle will be incredibly strong or underpowered, there'll be no middle ground just like reaper.
From this battle report it just look like a "build the right robots from the right houses" 1A game.


here we go agine..another balance shit talk ? , abouth game that isint even in closed beta stage ? omg..
WoL was half year in beta ! , go at you tube and watch some vids from WoL alpha.
SC 2 -LingsLover- EU -- Jaedong , NesTea , Nerchio , DRG , Moon , Oz , Tarson , Scarlett -- Dota 2 Pallad EU- NaVi - LGD
Sc2Null
Profile Joined April 2011
United States3754 Posts
August 14 2012 02:41 GMT
#478
On August 14 2012 11:40 Aratan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 11:39 Sc2Null wrote:
soo, I play zerg but doesn't the warhound...counter all of the protoss units?


Not chargelots, they have battle hellions for that


so battle hellions + warhounds + tanks == ?? whats the toss counter?
The great Spaghetti vs Screwdriver debacle of June '12" - Porcelina
yeastiality
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada374 Posts
August 14 2012 02:41 GMT
#479
On August 14 2012 11:41 pallad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 11:38 antilyon wrote:
60 attack at 13 range?
What they want to turn PvX? A NR10 game?

I didn't really liked the feeling of the game overall...
Oracle will be incredibly strong or underpowered, there'll be no middle ground just like reaper.
From this battle report it just look like a "build the right robots from the right houses" 1A game.


here we go agine..another balance shit talk ? , abouth game that isint even in closed beta stage ? omg..
WoL has half year in beta ! , go at you tube and watch some vids from WoL alpha.


WoL alpha had reavers and lurkers

YOUR MOVE BRO.
Monochromatic
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States998 Posts
August 14 2012 02:41 GMT
#480
That map is Terrible.

No FFE, Z can't take a (reasonably) safe third, rocks on watchtowers are stupid, they let you see when your opponent moves out.

Seriously, choice of thirds, one expands to your opponent, other has a massive ramp.

Looks like a worse version of XNC.
MC: "Guys I need your support! iam poor make me nerd baller" __________________________________________RIP Violet
Prev 1 22 23 24 25 26 80 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
LAN Event
16:00
StarCraft Madness Day 2
Airneanach199
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Liquid`TLO 180
SpeCial 172
MindelVK 27
EmSc Tv 26
Codebar 21
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 22751
Calm 3227
Shuttle 320
Mini 304
EffOrt 171
firebathero 144
Dewaltoss 125
Zeus 124
actioN 90
Shine 59
[ Show more ]
ggaemo 57
Nal_rA 28
IntoTheRainbow 18
NaDa 6
Dota 2
Gorgc6571
LuMiX1
Counter-Strike
fl0m5446
Fnx 2994
pashabiceps1239
byalli558
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox674
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor508
Liquid`Hasu481
Other Games
Grubby2629
FrodaN1935
Liquid`RaSZi1486
Beastyqt497
B2W.Neo441
Mlord413
Hui .110
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick917
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream72
StarCraft 2
EmSc Tv 26
EmSc2Tv 26
angryscii 10
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 17 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Adnapsc2 9
• Reevou 7
• Kozan
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Migwel
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
StarCraft: Brood War
• Michael_bg 4
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota278
League of Legends
• Nemesis4092
• Shiphtur401
Other Games
• imaqtpie944
Upcoming Events
PSISTORM Gaming Misc
49m
BSL
1h 49m
Replay Cast
14h 49m
Afreeca Starleague
15h 49m
Sharp vs Scan
Rain vs Mong
Wardi Open
17h 49m
Monday Night Weeklies
22h 49m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 15h
Afreeca Starleague
1d 15h
Soulkey vs Ample
JyJ vs sSak
Replay Cast
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
hero vs YSC
Larva vs Shine
[ Show More ]
Kung Fu Cup
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
KCM Race Survival
3 days
The PondCast
3 days
WardiTV Team League
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
WardiTV Team League
4 days
RSL Revival
5 days
Cure vs Zoun
herO vs Rogue
WardiTV Team League
5 days
Platinum Heroes Events
5 days
BSL
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
ByuN vs Maru
MaxPax vs TriGGeR
WardiTV Team League
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Jeongseon Sooper Cup
WardiTV Winter 2026
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
BSL Season 22
CSL Elite League 2026
CSL Season 20: Qualifier 1
RSL Revival: Season 4
Nations Cup 2026
NationLESS Cup
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual

Upcoming

ASL Season 21
Acropolis #4 - TS6
2026 Changsha Offline CUP
CSL Season 20: Qualifier 2
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.