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TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
August 09 2012 01:41 GMT
#441
On August 09 2012 10:31 Myrddraal wrote:
A lot of people seem to be focused a lot on the Raven's HSM spell and how long it takes to get, but I think Raven's should primarily be used to clean up creep without having to waste so many minerals on scans (obviously mostly in late game since I realise Ravens are a pain to get) and for using PDD in Viking vs Corrupter wars.

Scans do not cost any minerals, you just get those minerals later.

On August 09 2012 10:31 Myrddraal wrote:
Then HSM should be an afterthought, ie "I'll get this upgrade and if the situation comes where I can HSM his Corrupters/Broods I'll go for it, if not I'll use the energy for PDD".

Cute, but what else do we have against Broodlords/Corruptors? 25 damage Snipe? Clunky Thors whose slow damage can easily be negated by chain Transfuses, if they manage to reach Broodlords while being literally swarmed by Broodlings? BattleCruisers which take years to build and aren't even so hot against Corruptors? Vikings which are absolute garbage against Fungal/Corruptors/ITs? Marines that never get in range?...
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16126 Posts
August 09 2012 01:47 GMT
#442
I have a quick vid I put together coming in just showing what the new Raven speed looks like when compared side by side with some other Terran units.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Scrubwave
Profile Joined July 2010
Poland1786 Posts
August 09 2012 01:49 GMT
#443
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TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
August 09 2012 01:49 GMT
#444
On August 09 2012 10:47 Vindicare605 wrote:
I have a quick vid I put together coming in just showing what the new Raven speed looks like when compared side by side with some other Terran units.

Well, same speed and acceleration as the Medivac, or?...
blawed
Profile Joined August 2012
11 Posts
August 09 2012 01:50 GMT
#445
On August 09 2012 08:35 Shiori wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2012 08:32 blawed wrote:
On August 09 2012 08:28 Shiori wrote:
On August 09 2012 08:23 Ziggitz wrote:
On August 09 2012 07:58 starception wrote:
On August 09 2012 07:46 jdsowa wrote:
On August 09 2012 07:43 gfever wrote:
is there truely a terran buff?? took em a year and half for a terran buff, rejoice!


When your race is favored for a year and a half, you don't need buffs.


No, you are wrong. Terran players have just been the better players.

This is why you guys aren't being taken seriously.

I don't think it's so much that Terran players were better as it was that there were actually just a lot more really top Terran players. Same with now. There are Zergs who do really well (DRG, Symbol, pre-slump Nestea) but the rest of the playing field seems to drop off after the top. It's not so much a balance thing either. I mean, Terran was definitely OP for awhile after release, but there were also a tonne of super good T players that are still pretty damn good today. Zergs really didn't (and still don't) have that depth of talent. Protoss didn't have it until around 6 months ago. Today, I'd say most of the top players are Terran, followed by Toss, followed by Zerg.

well first of all that is a very narrow and skeptical way of viewing this topic. You are wrong sir. Where is your evidence to support such an idiotic statement?

I can list like 10+ Code S Terrans that I would say are and have pretty much always been mechanically stunning players. I can name about 5 Zergs, a few of whom weren't even good in 2011. Like, think back to when Nestea was the best Zerg player. Who else was there? Seriously. Who else was there? Then DRG came. Then Leenock for a brief moment. Then Symbol for a little. Seriously, that's like a who's who of post-Fruitdealer Zergs.

Let me tell you some genuine reasons to explain why there actually could have been more terran players...
First of all, all of us can agree that terran had the biggest advantage out of the three races.
Next, it was a terran expansion after all. Kinda obvious most people would choose terrans.
Third, terran is the most similar to their counterpart brood war. The players saw this similarity and stuck to it.
I also want to mention the fact that terran was the most simple race but had a lot of micro potential. (i.e splitting marines)
there are games where people won just by splitting marines for goodness sake... if there were zerg or even protoss units that could have done to that extent to even win using one unit, im pretty sure we would have seen a near even amout of all three races.
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
August 09 2012 01:52 GMT
#446
On August 09 2012 10:50 blawed wrote:
Next, it was a terran expansion after all. Kinda obvious most people would choose terrans.

Relating unrelated things is a useful talent toi have.

On August 09 2012 10:50 blawed wrote:
Third, terran is the most similar to their counterpart brood war. The players saw this similarity and stuck to it.
I also want to mention the fact that terran was the most simple race but had a lot of micro potential. (i.e splitting marines)
there are games where people won just by splitting marines for goodness sake... if there were zerg or even protoss units that could have done to that extent to even win using one unit

You mean something like Blink Stalkers?
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16126 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-09 02:08:56
August 09 2012 02:07 GMT
#447
On August 09 2012 10:49 Scrubwave wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2012 10:47 Vindicare605 wrote:
I have a quick vid I put together coming in just showing what the new Raven speed looks like when compared side by side with some other Terran units.

Isn't it exactly like medivac's?


Just about yea. But this is for anyone too lazy to actually go and check on the map for themselves.



aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Demorase
Profile Joined January 2012
136 Posts
August 09 2012 02:10 GMT
#448
On August 09 2012 10:41 TheDwf wrote:
Scans do not cost any minerals, you just get those minerals later.



Lol wut? using a scan=losing a mule=losing minerals=costing minerals. Everyone knows this come on.
Scrubwave
Profile Joined July 2010
Poland1786 Posts
August 09 2012 02:12 GMT
#449
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TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
August 09 2012 02:13 GMT
#450
On August 09 2012 11:10 Demorase wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2012 10:41 TheDwf wrote:
Scans do not cost any minerals, you just get those minerals later.



Lol wut? using a scan=losing a mule=losing minerals=costing minerals.

Absolutely not. The 270 minerals you would have harvested in the 90 seconds after your scan are still in the mineral fields, you did not “lose” them. You will simply get them later.
Gosi
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Sweden9072 Posts
August 09 2012 02:15 GMT
#451
Nice, can't complain. Now give us Irradiate in HotS. ^_-
[13:40] <Qbek> gosi i dreanmt about you
Demorase
Profile Joined January 2012
136 Posts
August 09 2012 02:16 GMT
#452
On August 09 2012 11:13 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2012 11:10 Demorase wrote:
On August 09 2012 10:41 TheDwf wrote:
Scans do not cost any minerals, you just get those minerals later.



Lol wut? using a scan=losing a mule=losing minerals=costing minerals.

Absolutely not. The 270 minerals you would have harvested in the 90 seconds after your scan are still in the mineral fields, you did not “lose” them. You will simply get them later.



That would be true if games lasted long enough to have time to harvest every single mineral field on your side of the map, which in 99% of games simply doesn't happen.

In most case you don't get those minerals later cause you're either dead or you won, so yes the scan did cost you minerals overall.
LavaLava
Profile Joined January 2012
United States235 Posts
August 09 2012 02:16 GMT
#453
On August 09 2012 11:13 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2012 11:10 Demorase wrote:
On August 09 2012 10:41 TheDwf wrote:
Scans do not cost any minerals, you just get those minerals later.



Lol wut? using a scan=losing a mule=losing minerals=costing minerals.

Absolutely not. The 270 minerals you would have harvested in the 90 seconds after your scan are still in the mineral fields, you did not “lose” them. You will simply get them later.


Man, as long as the map doesn't get mined out, it's the same thing as losing 270. Anything involving a fight before you've at least mined out your main, treats a scan as 270 lost minerals. It's basically self inflicted Entomb.
Yoduh
Profile Joined August 2010
United States216 Posts
August 09 2012 02:17 GMT
#454
On August 09 2012 10:21 zala2023 wrote:
this so called raven buff might as well as not exist since i hoestly dont think it will do anything
how about give reduce HSM energy to 75 like all the other AOE spells


this is why they dont let silver league players make balance decisions

User was warned for this post
Eps
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada240 Posts
August 09 2012 02:18 GMT
#455
On August 09 2012 11:13 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2012 11:10 Demorase wrote:
On August 09 2012 10:41 TheDwf wrote:
Scans do not cost any minerals, you just get those minerals later.



Lol wut? using a scan=losing a mule=losing minerals=costing minerals.

Absolutely not. The 270 minerals you would have harvested in the 90 seconds after your scan are still in the mineral fields, you did not “lose” them. You will simply get them later.


Mules are Terran's Macro ability to keep up with Chronoboost and Larva. Each scan use temporarily removes their only ability to maintain an even footing with the other 2 races. It may not be minerals lost, but it's unmined Minerals and a weakened economy.
MegaFonzie
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia1084 Posts
August 09 2012 02:19 GMT
#456
Good calls IMO
@x5_MegaFonzie
sjperera
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada349 Posts
August 09 2012 02:21 GMT
#457
On August 09 2012 11:10 Demorase wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2012 10:41 TheDwf wrote:
Scans do not cost any minerals, you just get those minerals later.



Lol wut? using a scan=losing a mule=losing minerals=costing minerals. Everyone knows this come on.



No, Mules don't cost minerals... you end up with the same amount of minerals, just at a later time. Supply drops! Now they actually add minerals as that's frees up 100 minerals for other uses
Stormbringer!!!
megid
Profile Joined November 2011
Brazil142 Posts
August 09 2012 02:21 GMT
#458
On August 09 2012 11:17 Yoduh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2012 10:21 zala2023 wrote:
this so called raven buff might as well as not exist since i hoestly dont think it will do anything
how about give reduce HSM energy to 75 like all the other AOE spells


this is why they dont let silver league players make balance decisions


Gratz on being a retard bro.


User was warned for this post
chris5180
Profile Joined July 2012
198 Posts
August 09 2012 02:22 GMT
#459
interesting changes, i think they are nice
stratmatt
Profile Joined April 2011
United States913 Posts
August 09 2012 02:23 GMT
#460
On August 09 2012 11:13 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2012 11:10 Demorase wrote:
On August 09 2012 10:41 TheDwf wrote:
Scans do not cost any minerals, you just get those minerals later.



Lol wut? using a scan=losing a mule=losing minerals=costing minerals.

Absolutely not. The 270 minerals you would have harvested in the 90 seconds after your scan are still in the mineral fields, you did not “lose” them. You will simply get them later.


then you lose time and time is also a resource.
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