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On August 09 2012 08:20 Naphal wrote:
well they fixed one problem with the raven...
but the turret still does not scale with upgrades and cannot be deployed if units are swarming the place.
and the missile still is the worst ability in the game, ok second only to strike cannons.
but i take a speedbuff, faster detection with pdd is helpful, but not a solution at all.
I liked your first suggestion with the turret scaling and then you totally ruined the whole post by suggesting HSM is bad.
Onwards - The point of adding the movement speed to Ravens isn't intended to be a damage increase, it's a mobility increase.. Infestors have had the same treatment, awhile back Infestors we're fuck slow and you couldn't really engage properly with Ling/Festor because the Festors were too slow to catch up to the Lings.
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IS Blizzard total stupid or what its only terran that moans that zerg are op ,its true that if zerg wins cos they are better players but it seems terran wins again omg , just ask your self if zerG is really op or just weak terran players , who just won the last 2 big tournments??? so no zerg isnt op
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I think these changes are good. These are only small tweaks to the game. As a zerg player, even I notice how vastly my creep spread is just 10 minutes into the game and the sight allows me to be nearly impenetrable on some maps, which is definitely unfair for Terran. Hopefully ravens see more use now too :D
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I still can't help but feel that Blizzard's fundamental philosophy of design sucks though...it's too focused on making everyone strong in the lategame to excuse poor design around how easy it is to get to the lategame. They need to make midgame and early game strategies more viable in order to make the game more dynamic and less about 200/200 balls hitting each other.
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and tbh, how did a thread like this get in the front page of teamliquid?
mods you dissapoint me for the first time. And im pretty sure saying that isn't against the rules...
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On August 09 2012 08:32 blawed wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2012 08:28 Shiori wrote:On August 09 2012 08:23 Ziggitz wrote:On August 09 2012 07:58 starception wrote:On August 09 2012 07:46 jdsowa wrote:On August 09 2012 07:43 gfever wrote:
is there truely a terran buff?? took em a year and half for a terran buff, rejoice! When your race is favored for a year and a half, you don't need buffs. No, you are wrong. Terran players have just been the better players. This is why you guys aren't being taken seriously. I don't think it's so much that Terran players were better as it was that there were actually just a lot more really top Terran players. Same with now. There are Zergs who do really well (DRG, Symbol, pre-slump Nestea) but the rest of the playing field seems to drop off after the top. It's not so much a balance thing either. I mean, Terran was definitely OP for awhile after release, but there were also a tonne of super good T players that are still pretty damn good today. Zergs really didn't (and still don't) have that depth of talent. Protoss didn't have it until around 6 months ago. Today, I'd say most of the top players are Terran, followed by Toss, followed by Zerg. well first of all that is a very narrow and skeptical way of viewing this topic. You are wrong sir. Where is your evidence to support such an idiotic statement?
I can list like 10+ Code S Terrans that I would say are and have pretty much always been mechanically stunning players. I can name about 5 Zergs, a few of whom weren't even good in 2011. Like, think back to when Nestea was the best Zerg player. Who else was there? Seriously. Who else was there? Then DRG came. Then Leenock for a brief moment. Then Symbol for a little. Seriously, that's like a who's who of post-Fruitdealer Zergs.
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have you guys seen the win rate of july in the korean scene? if these changes go into effect, you guys want a more terran dominated pro scene then it already is? this is exactly what blizzard is going against considering the fact that most of the pro scene is won by koreans. Seriously guys? is this the level we are at as a community?
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On August 09 2012 08:33 Shiori wrote:
I still can't help but feel that Blizzard's fundamental philosophy of design sucks though...it's too focused on making everyone strong in the lategame to excuse poor design around how easy it is to get to the lategame. They need to make midgame and early game strategies more viable in order to make the game more dynamic and less about 200/200 balls hitting each other.
Blizzard also make it easy to just lose fucking everything...mothership with archon toilet/HSM being used on BL/infestor/corruptor or colossi/storm/chargelots ripping through terran bio or terran bio emping a lot with bio so protoss loses everything..its just stupid.
some of these posts are hilarious when the creep tumor change is so minimal that it doesn't mean much, but people thinking terran will be getting 10%+ higher winrate vs zerg or something.
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On August 09 2012 08:36 blawed wrote:
have you guys seen the win rate of july in the korean scene? if these changes go into effect, you guys want a more terran dominated pro scene then it already is? this is exactly what blizzard is going against considering the fact that most of the pro scene is won by koreans. Seriously guys? is this the level we are at as a community?
If you think TvZ is actually Terran favoured, I don't know what to tell you. That's hilarious.
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These changes feel fine. Although I would even take a larger creep nerf if they changed it so the creep could see where it is... Getting vision so you can put a tumor on the top of a ramp, only to notice that the creep has extended far past where you thought it might be is odd. The creep should give vision... of the creep and anything ON the creep. Not the tumor giving vision of the whole area around it and some.
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Both changes are needed. It was a little strange that active terrans couldn't even slow down some zergs creep spread.
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On August 09 2012 08:34 blawed wrote:
and tbh, how did a thread like this get in the front page of teamliquid?
mods you dissapoint me for the first time. And im pretty sure saying that isn't against the rules... You know this thread is on Bnet posted by Blizzard Entertainment, not just some random guy, right?
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Raven has needed a buff for a long time imo, it's rarely used and is so fun to watch. Need more caster play with Terran!
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On August 09 2012 08:35 Shiori wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2012 08:32 blawed wrote:On August 09 2012 08:28 Shiori wrote:On August 09 2012 08:23 Ziggitz wrote:On August 09 2012 07:58 starception wrote:On August 09 2012 07:46 jdsowa wrote:On August 09 2012 07:43 gfever wrote:
is there truely a terran buff?? took em a year and half for a terran buff, rejoice! When your race is favored for a year and a half, you don't need buffs. No, you are wrong. Terran players have just been the better players. This is why you guys aren't being taken seriously. I don't think it's so much that Terran players were better as it was that there were actually just a lot more really top Terran players. Same with now. There are Zergs who do really well (DRG, Symbol, pre-slump Nestea) but the rest of the playing field seems to drop off after the top. It's not so much a balance thing either. I mean, Terran was definitely OP for awhile after release, but there were also a tonne of super good T players that are still pretty damn good today. Zergs really didn't (and still don't) have that depth of talent. Protoss didn't have it until around 6 months ago. Today, I'd say most of the top players are Terran, followed by Toss, followed by Zerg. well first of all that is a very narrow and skeptical way of viewing this topic. You are wrong sir. Where is your evidence to support such an idiotic statement? I can list like 10+ Code S Terrans that I would say are and have pretty much always been mechanically stunning players. I can name about 5 Zergs, a few of whom weren't even good in 2011. Like, think back to when Nestea was the best Zerg player. Who else was there? Seriously. Who else was there? Then DRG came. Then Leenock for a brief moment. Then Symbol for a little. Seriously, that's like a who's who of post-Fruitdealer Zergs.
That's less Terran players being better as it is Zerg having a lower skill ceiling and not as many possibilities for micro. That's why there are so many good macro players in Zerg, because that's the only area in which they can show their worth (which is also why I think nerfing creep spread is bad).
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On August 09 2012 08:36 blawed wrote:
have you guys seen the win rate of july in the korean scene? if these changes go into effect, you guys want a more terran dominated pro scene then it already is? this is exactly what blizzard is going against considering the fact that most of the pro scene is won by koreans. Seriously guys? is this the level we are at as a community?
50.2 % Winrate for Terran in Korea and It's Terran dominated? One player ( Taeja ) going on a streak will influence that by a few %...It's not a good representation of balance.
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Terran buff ? * Checking the date, no we're not in april and we're not the 1st *
Back on topic : nice buff about the reaven, this unit just needed it to really become viable when you know how to integrate it in your lategame strategy.
Can't be more happy about the creep little nerf, creep spread was a bit abusive in TvZ (that's only my opinion though)
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On August 09 2012 08:35 Shiori wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2012 08:32 blawed wrote:On August 09 2012 08:28 Shiori wrote:On August 09 2012 08:23 Ziggitz wrote:On August 09 2012 07:58 starception wrote:On August 09 2012 07:46 jdsowa wrote:On August 09 2012 07:43 gfever wrote:
is there truely a terran buff?? took em a year and half for a terran buff, rejoice! When your race is favored for a year and a half, you don't need buffs. No, you are wrong. Terran players have just been the better players. This is why you guys aren't being taken seriously. I don't think it's so much that Terran players were better as it was that there were actually just a lot more really top Terran players. Same with now. There are Zergs who do really well (DRG, Symbol, pre-slump Nestea) but the rest of the playing field seems to drop off after the top. It's not so much a balance thing either. I mean, Terran was definitely OP for awhile after release, but there were also a tonne of super good T players that are still pretty damn good today. Zergs really didn't (and still don't) have that depth of talent. Protoss didn't have it until around 6 months ago. Today, I'd say most of the top players are Terran, followed by Toss, followed by Zerg. well first of all that is a very narrow and skeptical way of viewing this topic. You are wrong sir. Where is your evidence to support such an idiotic statement? I can list like 10+ Code S Terrans that I would say are and have pretty much always been mechanically stunning players. I can name about 5 Zergs, a few of whom weren't even good in 2011. Like, think back to when Nestea was the best Zerg player. Who else was there? Seriously. Who else was there? Then DRG came. Then Leenock for a brief moment. Then Symbol for a little. Seriously, that's like a who's who of post-Fruitdealer Zergs.
Let me tell you some genuine reasons to explain why there actually could have been more terran players...
First of all, all of us can agree that terran had the biggest advantage out of the three races.
Next, it was a terran expansion after all. Kinda obvious most people would choose terrans.
Third, terran is the most similar to their counterpart brood war. The players saw this similarity and stuck to it.
I also want to mention the fact that terran was the most simple race but had a lot of micro potential. (i.e splitting marines)
there are games where people won just by splitting marines for goodness sake... if there were zerg or even protoss units that could have done to that extent to even win using one unit, im pretty sure we would have seen a near even amout of all three races.
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On August 09 2012 08:37 Shiori wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2012 08:36 blawed wrote:
have you guys seen the win rate of july in the korean scene? if these changes go into effect, you guys want a more terran dominated pro scene then it already is? this is exactly what blizzard is going against considering the fact that most of the pro scene is won by koreans. Seriously guys? is this the level we are at as a community? If you think TvZ is actually Terran favoured, I don't know what to tell you. That's hilarious.
Just look at what race has won the last 2 tornments and that tells you that terran is favoured and even more so now so noobs keep moaning and blizzard will come to your aid
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On August 09 2012 08:40 dog8 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2012 08:37 Shiori wrote:On August 09 2012 08:36 blawed wrote:
have you guys seen the win rate of july in the korean scene? if these changes go into effect, you guys want a more terran dominated pro scene then it already is? this is exactly what blizzard is going against considering the fact that most of the pro scene is won by koreans. Seriously guys? is this the level we are at as a community? If you think TvZ is actually Terran favoured, I don't know what to tell you. That's hilarious. Just look at what race has won the last 2 tornments and that tells you that terran is favoured and even more so now so noobs keep moaning and blizzard will come to your aid
All that tells me is that Taeja is a god.
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