EPTBut great changes, I really like the creep one, definitely needed, players are spreading to the mid map before 15 minutes which is really ridiculous!
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Stitch
Hong Kong134 Posts
But great changes, I really like the creep one, definitely needed, players are spreading to the mid map before 15 minutes which is really ridiculous! | ||
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LA_Morello
Brazil143 Posts
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larse
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SCPenguin
United States19 Posts
I really like the raven changes and always wished Terran would use them more and this will certainly make it easier to keep them alive and get more of their spells off where they want them. I don't really feel like the creep spread change is necessary though. The kind of creep spread they're talking about takes APM (however little) away from macro and other important things, so I feel that it much more rewards the faster players. The others simply just don't do it beyond their fourth base. And with the Raven change, it shouldn't be as hard to deny the creep tumors anyways. It's not they don't have three orbitals anyways. | ||
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NOOBALOPSE
Canada802 Posts
On August 09 2012 05:20 KawaiiRice wrote: the highest level of tvz? I think we need to separate the stats for taeja vs z and other terrans vs z lol :O sounds interesting o,o well we don't want TaeJa winning everything -_- Also, you forgot about GuMiho!!!! | ||
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emythrel
United Kingdom2599 Posts
On August 09 2012 08:59 dog8 wrote: YES its down to the player so why so much moaning from terrans about zergs being op and as usual blizzard helps terran again,no pros thought zergs were op lol Terran have been nerfed over and over and over since release. In what world have blizz been helping Terran? Every time a T figures out something powerful it gets nerfed to hell within a week. Thorzain's Thors, Blue flame, Ghost snipe, Ghost EMP, Bunker build time, rax before depot, stim research... the list goes on. | ||
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beesinyoface
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LuckyMacro
United States1482 Posts
On August 09 2012 07:58 starception wrote: No, you are wrong. Terran players have just been the better players. Really, dude? Really? I can't believe this argument is still being used. Especially when after release we had things like close-spawn on Metalopolis which made playing like bitbybit super easy. On August 09 2012 08:11 SmuZ wrote: ffs , chrono boost is just 25 energy while mule is 50, ORBITAL COMMAND IS 150 MINERAL , A QUEEN IS 150 MINERAL , CHRONO BOOST IS 0 AND EVEN NEEDS 25 ENERGY FOR USE, !@$@!#!@$@!#@!#@ people who think zerg is the most imbalanced race ... ,balance already the protoss , its ridiculous Lol. Honestly I'd trade my chronoboost for mules/scan. On August 09 2012 08:56 MorroW wrote: raven needs higher move speed and sight radius to be effective at killing creep tumors and seeing the zergs army ahead effectively keeping only a speed buff makes me feel terrans still wont make 1 raven to deny creep spread and scout zerg army instead of scans however the buff in general with i agree with but i dont think it will reach the tipping point when it comes to tvz midgame pushes, especially along side with a creep spread nerf the creep spread change i think is not the way to go about it. zvp and zvz i feel creep is already underwhelming with maps getting bigger and were using less and less blizzard maps this creep spread change might turn out to be extremely obnoxious i would prefer a raven sight radius buff rather than a creep spread nerf decreasing the tumor life should also be a a good idea to encourage sniping newly created tumors with hellions This infested terran knows what he's talking about  . Increased sight range would be interesting. | ||
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NozliW_
Chile70 Posts
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Aserrin
Uruguay231 Posts
The unit is too expensive and takes time you could use building medvacs/vikins, just to deny some creep. It would be better if it was actually useful in battle. | ||
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Pocky52
United States463 Posts
Raven change sounds good, maybe will make Ravens too good against BL/infestor though? I just think of I think of a few instances where mass Raven is already super effective, but again not sure... | ||
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Shiori
3815 Posts
On August 09 2012 08:40 blawed wrote: Let me tell you some genuine reasons to explain why there actually could have been more terran players... First of all, all of us can agree that terran had the biggest advantage out of the three races. Next, it was a terran expansion after all. Kinda obvious most people would choose terrans. Third, terran is the most similar to their counterpart brood war. The players saw this similarity and stuck to it. I also want to mention the fact that terran was the most simple race but had a lot of micro potential. (i.e splitting marines) there are games where people won just by splitting marines for goodness sake... if there were zerg or even protoss units that could have done to that extent to even win using one unit, im pretty sure we would have seen a near even amout of all three races. Doesn't really matter what the reasons are. The point is that there are a lot of really good Terran players, and there appear to be slightly more of them than there are really good Toss or Zerg players. Ergo, it sort of makes sense that Terran will be somewhat overrepresented no matter what the state of balance is, because there are more top flight players to begin with. I'd be all for giving Zerg some micro oriented options, but it would mean nerfing their macro mechanic pretty hard. | ||
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paddyz
Ireland628 Posts
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Scila
Canada1849 Posts
The creep change is good, Zerg already has too easy of a time spreading creep in zvt and zvp. However, once again Blizzard does not address the real issue...Broodlord/Infestor is too strong. | ||
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mtn
729 Posts
God damnit. Blizzard again late to the party... I was talkin about that changed 1 year ago... AHH | ||
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Misacampo
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IshinShishi
Japan6156 Posts
Sarcasm aside, I like the creep nerf , let's see if it helps with putting down my 4th base. | ||
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BEARDiaguz
Australia2362 Posts
On August 09 2012 09:03 Liquid`Jinro wrote: This is a really nice and measured patch I think, I'm impressed. I would consider having creep recede faster instead of spread slower, but I'm sure they considered both options. I like this a lot eitherway. Yes I can see how this patch helps you a lot in your next televised TvZ User was warned for this post | ||
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
edit: all this obv while not changing too much of the game. | ||
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Chriscras
Korea (South)2812 Posts
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