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Stitch
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Hong Kong134 Posts
August 09 2012 00:09 GMT
#361
I don't necessarily agree with it only being imbalanaced for professionals! It gets pretty hard for the average day player too!

But great changes, I really like the creep one, definitely needed, players are spreading to the mid map before 15 minutes which is really ridiculous!
Head Production Director of NDTV - No Dice Gaming - Twitter: @StitchHK
LA_Morello
Profile Joined July 2011
Brazil143 Posts
August 09 2012 00:09 GMT
#362
I think that Terran doesn't need that buffs. Zerg nerfs are good.
larse
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
1611 Posts
August 09 2012 00:10 GMT
#363
Now, one scan can reveal much more tumors than before.
SCPenguin
Profile Joined February 2011
United States19 Posts
August 09 2012 00:10 GMT
#364
Zerg player.
I really like the raven changes and always wished Terran would use them more and this will certainly make it easier to keep them alive and get more of their spells off where they want them. I don't really feel like the creep spread change is necessary though. The kind of creep spread they're talking about takes APM (however little) away from macro and other important things, so I feel that it much more rewards the faster players. The others simply just don't do it beyond their fourth base.
And with the Raven change, it shouldn't be as hard to deny the creep tumors anyways. It's not they don't have three orbitals anyways.
NOOBALOPSE
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada802 Posts
August 09 2012 00:12 GMT
#365
On August 09 2012 05:20 KawaiiRice wrote:
the highest level of tvz? I think we need to separate the stats for taeja vs z and other terrans vs z lol :O
sounds interesting o,o

well we don't want TaeJa winning everything -_-
Also, you forgot about GuMiho!!!!
emythrel
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United Kingdom2599 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-09 00:12:44
August 09 2012 00:12 GMT
#366
On August 09 2012 08:59 dog8 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2012 08:53 Mallement wrote:
On August 09 2012 08:32 dog8 wrote:
IS Blizzard total stupid or what its only terran that moans that zerg are op ,its true that if zerg wins cos they are better players but it seems terran wins again omg , just ask your self if zerG is really op or just weak terran players , who just won the last 2 big tournments??? so no zerg isnt op


You cant measure the balance from finals, you need a large quantity of samples in order to see if there is a imbalance somewhere, and yes 'A' terran won the last two tournaments, but dont you think its the player more than the race?....


YES its down to the player so why so much moaning from terrans about zergs being op and as usual blizzard helps terran again,no pros thought zergs were op


lol Terran have been nerfed over and over and over since release. In what world have blizz been helping Terran? Every time a T figures out something powerful it gets nerfed to hell within a week. Thorzain's Thors, Blue flame, Ghost snipe, Ghost EMP, Bunker build time, rax before depot, stim research... the list goes on.
When there is nothing left to lose but your dignity, it is already gone.
beesinyoface
Profile Joined May 2012
2450 Posts
August 09 2012 00:12 GMT
#367
Great change, hopefully more people start using ravens as a result.
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LuckyMacro
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1482 Posts
August 09 2012 00:14 GMT
#368
On August 09 2012 07:58 starception wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2012 07:46 jdsowa wrote:
On August 09 2012 07:43 gfever wrote:
is there truely a terran buff?? took em a year and half for a terran buff, rejoice!


When your race is favored for a year and a half, you don't need buffs.


No, you are wrong. Terran players have just been the better players.


Really, dude? Really? I can't believe this argument is still being used. Especially when after release we had things like close-spawn on Metalopolis which made playing like bitbybit super easy.

On August 09 2012 08:11 SmuZ wrote:
ffs , chrono boost is just 25 energy while mule is 50, ORBITAL COMMAND IS 150 MINERAL , A QUEEN IS 150 MINERAL , CHRONO BOOST IS 0 AND EVEN NEEDS 25 ENERGY FOR USE, !@$@!#!@$@!#@!#@ people who think zerg is the most imbalanced race ... ,balance already the protoss , its ridiculous


Lol. Honestly I'd trade my chronoboost for mules/scan.

On August 09 2012 08:56 MorroW wrote:
raven needs higher move speed and sight radius to be effective at killing creep tumors and seeing the zergs army ahead effectively

keeping only a speed buff makes me feel terrans still wont make 1 raven to deny creep spread and scout zerg army instead of scans

however the buff in general with i agree with but i dont think it will reach the tipping point when it comes to tvz midgame pushes, especially along side with a creep spread nerf

the creep spread change i think is not the way to go about it. zvp and zvz i feel creep is already underwhelming

with maps getting bigger and were using less and less blizzard maps this creep spread change might turn out to be extremely obnoxious

i would prefer a raven sight radius buff rather than a creep spread nerf

decreasing the tumor life should also be a a good idea to encourage sniping newly created tumors with hellions


This infested terran knows what he's talking about . Increased sight range would be interesting.
NozliW_
Profile Joined January 2012
Chile70 Posts
August 09 2012 00:15 GMT
#369
This seems to be really good
Aserrin
Profile Joined October 2011
Uruguay231 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-09 00:20:23
August 09 2012 00:16 GMT
#370
The problem with the Ravens I think is more related to its energy. A full energy Raven can only launch a single HSM.

The unit is too expensive and takes time you could use building medvacs/vikins, just to deny some creep. It would be better if it was actually useful in battle.
Pocky52
Profile Joined November 2011
United States463 Posts
August 09 2012 00:19 GMT
#371
Glad to see the creep change mostly for the TvZ match, however as a protoss, I think there's just something about the queen's attack that seems to be more important in the issues the queens have been creating, but not really sure...
Raven change sounds good, maybe will make Ravens too good against BL/infestor though? I just think of I think of a few instances where mass Raven is already super effective, but again not sure...
Shiori
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
3815 Posts
August 09 2012 00:19 GMT
#372
On August 09 2012 08:40 blawed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2012 08:35 Shiori wrote:
On August 09 2012 08:32 blawed wrote:
On August 09 2012 08:28 Shiori wrote:
On August 09 2012 08:23 Ziggitz wrote:
On August 09 2012 07:58 starception wrote:
On August 09 2012 07:46 jdsowa wrote:
On August 09 2012 07:43 gfever wrote:
is there truely a terran buff?? took em a year and half for a terran buff, rejoice!


When your race is favored for a year and a half, you don't need buffs.


No, you are wrong. Terran players have just been the better players.

This is why you guys aren't being taken seriously.

I don't think it's so much that Terran players were better as it was that there were actually just a lot more really top Terran players. Same with now. There are Zergs who do really well (DRG, Symbol, pre-slump Nestea) but the rest of the playing field seems to drop off after the top. It's not so much a balance thing either. I mean, Terran was definitely OP for awhile after release, but there were also a tonne of super good T players that are still pretty damn good today. Zergs really didn't (and still don't) have that depth of talent. Protoss didn't have it until around 6 months ago. Today, I'd say most of the top players are Terran, followed by Toss, followed by Zerg.

well first of all that is a very narrow and skeptical way of viewing this topic. You are wrong sir. Where is your evidence to support such an idiotic statement?

I can list like 10+ Code S Terrans that I would say are and have pretty much always been mechanically stunning players. I can name about 5 Zergs, a few of whom weren't even good in 2011. Like, think back to when Nestea was the best Zerg player. Who else was there? Seriously. Who else was there? Then DRG came. Then Leenock for a brief moment. Then Symbol for a little. Seriously, that's like a who's who of post-Fruitdealer Zergs.


Let me tell you some genuine reasons to explain why there actually could have been more terran players...
First of all, all of us can agree that terran had the biggest advantage out of the three races.
Next, it was a terran expansion after all. Kinda obvious most people would choose terrans.
Third, terran is the most similar to their counterpart brood war. The players saw this similarity and stuck to it.
I also want to mention the fact that terran was the most simple race but had a lot of micro potential. (i.e splitting marines)
there are games where people won just by splitting marines for goodness sake... if there were zerg or even protoss units that could have done to that extent to even win using one unit, im pretty sure we would have seen a near even amout of all three races.

Doesn't really matter what the reasons are. The point is that there are a lot of really good Terran players, and there appear to be slightly more of them than there are really good Toss or Zerg players. Ergo, it sort of makes sense that Terran will be somewhat overrepresented no matter what the state of balance is, because there are more top flight players to begin with.

I'd be all for giving Zerg some micro oriented options, but it would mean nerfing their macro mechanic pretty hard.
paddyz
Profile Joined May 2011
Ireland628 Posts
August 09 2012 00:19 GMT
#373
To fix TvZ they buff, to fix PvP they nerf, blizz hate toss :p
Scila
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada1849 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-09 01:51:34
August 09 2012 00:20 GMT
#374
Blizzard is so scared to give Terran an actually significant buff. If they want the Raven to be the late-game Terran solution (after they've neutered the ghost in tvz) , they need to buff HSM, not the movement speed... HSM is pure garbage. I don't care how fast the raven moves or accelerates if it can't cast an AOE spell comparable to fungal/storm.

The creep change is good, Zerg already has too easy of a time spreading creep in zvt and zvp. However, once again Blizzard does not address the real issue...Broodlord/Infestor is too strong.
All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us.
mtn
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
729 Posts
August 09 2012 00:20 GMT
#375
FINALLY RAVEN FIXED!!!

God damnit. Blizzard again late to the party... I was talkin about that changed 1 year ago... AHH
Misacampo
Profile Joined July 2012
167 Posts
August 09 2012 00:20 GMT
#376
I think they should make it so creep can't spawn more creep. So you actually have to dedicate resources into multiple queens and more effort to spread it.
IshinShishi
Profile Joined April 2012
Japan6156 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-09 00:25:07
August 09 2012 00:21 GMT
#377
Calm down guys, that raven we never use in the early game because it's useless(costs too much, delays medivacs, does barely anything in return), the one we barely use in the late game because teching to HSM takes 3 games and half, is now slightly faster, as in, it went from way to slow to almost very slow, this is exactly all we needed, terrans rejoice!

Sarcasm aside, I like the creep nerf , let's see if it helps with putting down my 4th base.
So... what that make you? Good? You're not good. You just know how to hide, how to lie
BEARDiaguz
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Australia2362 Posts
August 09 2012 00:22 GMT
#378
On August 09 2012 09:03 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
This is a really nice and measured patch I think, I'm impressed. I would consider having creep recede faster instead of spread slower, but I'm sure they considered both options.

I like this a lot eitherway.


Yes I can see how this patch helps you a lot in your next televised TvZ

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MassHysteria
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3678 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-09 00:26:15
August 09 2012 00:25 GMT
#379
Judging by the pro games, I like the changes being tested. They have done their research and have some good logic behind it imo.

edit: all this obv while not changing too much of the game.
"Just ban all the J's...even jinklejoes" --unnamed source
Chriscras
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Korea (South)2812 Posts
August 09 2012 00:25 GMT
#380
Bring back burrow baneling movement!
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