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CNN article on SC2 and gaming addiction in Korea - Page 9

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Redfish
Profile Joined April 2010
United States142 Posts
August 05 2012 16:00 GMT
#161
At the risk of getting crucified here, I'll offer a somewhat different opinion on the article.

Honestly, I didn't think it was all that bad, everything considered. It's easy for us as people familiar with the game to get upset about a journalist not being familiar with the build orders or names of units and then use that to discredit everything in it altogether.

Ignorance about tournaments or unit names aside, the story of MKP's childhood was pretty harrowing. It's impossible for virtually all of us (assuming very few of us on here are parents) to imagine struggling with our own child to that level and fearing for their life. We also can't brush away the fact that for every MKP, there are so many more who don't make it and throw away their chance at education or a normal life to go after an impossible dream because they truly are addicted. And yes, some video games are addictive.

True, there are people addicted to exercise (I knew one such person) or sports or a million other things, and we could do a better job of addressing those cases too. You see it all the time with athletes who get into trouble when they have to retire. But that doesn't erase the fact that there are some problems with addiction to SC2 and other games out there as well.
Shiori
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
3815 Posts
August 05 2012 16:01 GMT
#162
On August 06 2012 01:00 TGalore wrote:
At the risk of getting crucified here, I'll offer a somewhat different opinion on the article.

Honestly, I didn't think it was all that bad, everything considered. It's easy for us as people familiar with the game to get upset about a journalist not being familiar with the build orders or names of units and then use that to discredit everything in it altogether.

Ignorance about tournaments or unit names aside, the story of MKP's childhood was pretty harrowing. It's impossible for virtually all of us (assuming very few of us on here are parents) to imagine struggling with our own child to that level and fearing for their life. We also can't brush away the fact that for every MKP, there are so many more who don't make it and throw away their chance at education or a normal life to go after an impossible dream because they truly are addicted. And yes, some video games are addictive.

True, there are people addicted to exercise (I knew one such person) or sports or a million other things, and we could do a better job of addressing those cases too. You see it all the time with athletes who get into trouble when they have to retire. But that doesn't erase the fact that there are some problems with addiction to SC2 and other games out there as well.

The problem is that the actual psychiatrist they interviewed said directly that progamers generally aren't addicts, which basically undercuts the entire spirit of the article, which was pretty transparent to begin with.
Liman
Profile Joined July 2012
Serbia681 Posts
August 05 2012 16:07 GMT
#163
I think its a preety good article looking at both sides of the coin.
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Klipsys
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1533 Posts
August 05 2012 16:07 GMT
#164
The author of the article wants people to email him with things we think are "wrong"

how possible would it be to get this guy on LO3 so he can talk to some pro gamers or learn more about or culture?
Hudson Valley Progamer
Doomblaze
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1292 Posts
August 05 2012 16:08 GMT
#165
I got really mad when i saw

"Just before the 19-minute mark, Kas ambushed MarineKing on his side of the city. A flurry of insect-like alien creatures swarmed his human base and started pecking away at it."

like really, I can't believe anything in the article anymore.
In Mushi we trust
LittleAtari
Profile Joined August 2010
Jordan1090 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-05 16:12:14
August 05 2012 16:11 GMT
#166
i've mentioned this elsewhere, but it is really insulting to put professional gaming alongside gaming addiction. It makes people thing that the players are addicts and then become professionals. Instead of talking about addiction, why not look at people like Polt, who attended the best University in Korea while building his progamming career.

well, at least we've got Forbes.
leperphilliac
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States399 Posts
August 05 2012 16:13 GMT
#167
It's CNN. Not only that, it's the INTERNATIONAL version of CNN. Even Americans don't follow CNN, let alone people of other countries who have infinitely better sources of news.
Klipsys
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1533 Posts
August 05 2012 16:16 GMT
#168
Also, lets not barrage this guy with terrible troll emails because that just makes us look worse
Hudson Valley Progamer
Ettick
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States2434 Posts
August 05 2012 16:24 GMT
#169
Could CNN please shut the hell up about gaming addiction, especially when they involve SC? I haven't found any evidence that SC is addictive through my personal experience due to it just being way too difficult and not having a carrot on a stick in front of you, like many MMOs have that makes people want to play them. Maybe using WoW or some other MMO would be a better choice for them, because I'm sure all using SC is going to do is make us, the SC community, pissed off.
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
August 05 2012 16:27 GMT
#170
But SC2 isn't addictive at all >.<
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jeeeeohn
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States1343 Posts
August 05 2012 16:27 GMT
#171
On August 05 2012 14:25 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2012 14:21 Wegandi wrote:
On August 05 2012 14:18 Zzoram wrote:
Where are the articles about American Football addiction and how 4 players die each year from football on average, never mind the thousands of concussions that can lead to permanent brain damage?


It's only an addiction when they disagree with your personal behavior. If you play a physical sport like say, football, or baseball for 5+ hours everyday, you're lauded. If you study math or science for 10+ hours a day, you're lauded. God forbid, you were a unique individual with their own likes and desires instead of some tabula rasa for them to mold to their own ends. Never ceases, does it?

? Dumb comparison. Most people can't play physical sports as long for as long as someone can play a video game (and addicts can play all day), and someone who studies actually benefits from it? Wtf? Are we really comparing the productivity of studying math and science to that of playing a video game here? Let me know how that looks on a college application. TL is really out of touch it seems these days..


Thank you for writing this because if I had I'd probably have gotten a warning or temp ban. TL is insane nowadays, which is really just representative of the culture in general wherein wasting time has somehow evolved into productivity.

Newsflash: headline: every pro player is addicted to the game and video games are not art and video games are not productive, at all, ever, not now or in the future. You are not a special snowflake for grinding Starcraft 2 into the soft bits of your brain twelve hours a day. Go read a book or something.
If you can't jam with the best, then you have to slam with the rest.
Shiori
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
3815 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-05 16:30:55
August 05 2012 16:29 GMT
#172
On August 06 2012 01:27 jeeeeohn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2012 14:25 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On August 05 2012 14:21 Wegandi wrote:
On August 05 2012 14:18 Zzoram wrote:
Where are the articles about American Football addiction and how 4 players die each year from football on average, never mind the thousands of concussions that can lead to permanent brain damage?


It's only an addiction when they disagree with your personal behavior. If you play a physical sport like say, football, or baseball for 5+ hours everyday, you're lauded. If you study math or science for 10+ hours a day, you're lauded. God forbid, you were a unique individual with their own likes and desires instead of some tabula rasa for them to mold to their own ends. Never ceases, does it?

? Dumb comparison. Most people can't play physical sports as long for as long as someone can play a video game (and addicts can play all day), and someone who studies actually benefits from it? Wtf? Are we really comparing the productivity of studying math and science to that of playing a video game here? Let me know how that looks on a college application. TL is really out of touch it seems these days..


Thank you for writing this because if I had I'd probably have gotten a warning or temp ban. TL is insane nowadays, which is really just representative of the culture in general wherein wasting time has somehow evolved into productivity.

Newsflash: headline: every pro player is addicted to the game and video games are not art and video games are not productive, at all, ever, not now or in the future. You are not a special snowflake for grinding Starcraft 2 into the soft bits of your brain twelve hours a day. Go read a book or something.

Aw, cute.

Prove your shit.

1) What is art?
2) What is "productive"?
3) Do you know every pro player?
4) How do you define addiction?
5) How is making money playing video games wasteful?
julianto
Profile Joined December 2010
2292 Posts
August 05 2012 16:30 GMT
#173
They got what they wanted: a lot of article views from a large demographic on the internet. They did this by putting up an article that would surely stir up that community.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Dundron2000
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden1140 Posts
August 05 2012 16:30 GMT
#174
I don't have a problem with that article. In contrast to what i expected it was actually rather even handed. From a journalistic standpoint the article was of course going to be about addiction primarily (no surprises there). I thought they were going to go full retard on that part, but the segment about MKP and professional SC II showed that there was a positive side as well. And i don't think anyone can dispute that gaming addiction is real. Considering CNN's faults and the state of many major journalism outlets in general, honestly it could have been a lot worse.
n.Die_Jaedong
Dundron2000
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden1140 Posts
August 05 2012 16:33 GMT
#175
On August 06 2012 01:30 julianto wrote:
They got what they wanted: a lot of article views from a large demographic on the internet. They did this by putting up an article that would surely stir up that community.


CNN couldn't give 2 shits about young males 10-25, its not their target audience.
n.Die_Jaedong
DiuLaSing
Profile Joined August 2011
Hong Kong225 Posts
August 05 2012 16:34 GMT
#176
On August 06 2012 01:33 Dundron2000 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2012 01:30 julianto wrote:
They got what they wanted: a lot of article views from a large demographic on the internet. They did this by putting up an article that would surely stir up that community.


CNN couldn't give 2 shits about young males 10-25, its not their target audience.


but those 10-25 young males will grow up...oh shit
"You just abuse idiocy" - bad boy
effecto
Profile Joined February 2011
France142 Posts
August 05 2012 16:37 GMT
#177
As i said on youtube, TV will never talk positively about gaming because people who play games are the main target of TV's ads and people playing are not watching TV. They need to destroy gaming for their business...

Still its not the good strategy.

Sorry for my bad english.
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Rah
Profile Joined February 2010
United States973 Posts
August 05 2012 16:38 GMT
#178
On August 06 2012 01:27 jeeeeohn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2012 14:25 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On August 05 2012 14:21 Wegandi wrote:
On August 05 2012 14:18 Zzoram wrote:
Where are the articles about American Football addiction and how 4 players die each year from football on average, never mind the thousands of concussions that can lead to permanent brain damage?


It's only an addiction when they disagree with your personal behavior. If you play a physical sport like say, football, or baseball for 5+ hours everyday, you're lauded. If you study math or science for 10+ hours a day, you're lauded. God forbid, you were a unique individual with their own likes and desires instead of some tabula rasa for them to mold to their own ends. Never ceases, does it?

? Dumb comparison. Most people can't play physical sports as long for as long as someone can play a video game (and addicts can play all day), and someone who studies actually benefits from it? Wtf? Are we really comparing the productivity of studying math and science to that of playing a video game here? Let me know how that looks on a college application. TL is really out of touch it seems these days..


Thank you for writing this because if I had I'd probably have gotten a warning or temp ban. TL is insane nowadays, which is really just representative of the culture in general wherein wasting time has somehow evolved into productivity.

Newsflash: headline: every pro player is addicted to the game and video games are not art and video games are not productive, at all, ever, not now or in the future. You are not a special snowflake for grinding Starcraft 2 into the soft bits of your brain twelve hours a day. Go read a book or something.


It's truth that there's no difference between grinding SC2 12 hrs a day and any other game or MMO out there. There's a pro scene but that's a huge amount of time wasted for someone who never ends up being a pro. On the other hand pro SC2 does have a place in the world and the top few players will always be revered by some. For people who don't care about the game though they're more likely to form an opinion similar to CNN. I believe gaming is a bad habit more than it is an addiction. If you could go pro at biting your nails all day it would be comparable.
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Spidinko
Profile Joined May 2010
Slovakia1174 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-05 17:05:27
August 05 2012 16:38 GMT
#179
On August 05 2012 20:48 NovemberstOrm wrote:
Starcraft 2 as a competitive sport is comparable to real sports such as basketball,foot ball,soccer, etc.

Yeah, right. Same way it's comparable to competitive toilet cleaning. It (toilet cleaning) is very physically demanding.
Not every competition or activity is a sport.

Edit: cleared something out
LittleAtari
Profile Joined August 2010
Jordan1090 Posts
August 05 2012 16:39 GMT
#180
this makes me want to create some type of PSA where it's like:

"I'm IncontroL, I bench x amount of lbs and I'm a professional gamer, not an addict"
"I'm Sean Day9 Plott. I hold an MFA in interactive media and have been featured numerous times in Forbes magazine. I'm an eSports commentator and analyst, not an addict"

With all the amazing people that are progamers and do stuff in the scene, they chose to focus on addiction
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