How to present females in the SCII-community? - Page 7

On July 18 2012 10:58 Daitakk wrote:
Sex Sells. Now that the inescapably obvious is out of the way lets look at Lauren's male counter-part at the NASL finals: Clutch.

I'll say it right now, Clutch is a dapper handsome bastard. If Clutch was a 500lb neckbeard he would not be where he is despite putting in the same effort.

Its not really sexism, its sexyism.

edit: This discussion seems to be derailing a bit. I'm pretty sure the OP wants to discuss women used as eye-candy for presentation purposes and not female gamers. Female gamers is a complicated discussion and should be kept seperate imo.

On July 18 2012 10:55 Kerotan wrote:

More or less agreed.
Yeah, of course if you just sit at home, you won't get that love, but then you aren't trying to be a starcraft player, you are just an eccentric person who sits at home.
Also , yes Scarlett is quiet, but she is also a woman, and transgender, she has a much more exciting narrative than just someone who is quiet. (also go checkout her post match interview on gamespot, she is quite talkative then)
Either way, debating the examples is less the point, my argument is that your personality and who you are has a significant impact on your marketability as a player at every stage of the profession, and we are in agreement on that.
However you didn't really deal with the notion that being a near homogeneous community of men is a barrier to entry, and that gaming in general is stigmatised as masculine activity by both men and women.

On July 18 2012 10:58 Daitakk wrote:
Sex Sells. Now that the inescapably obvious is out of the way lets look at Lauren's male counter-part at the NASL finals: Clutch.

I'll say it right now, Clutch is a dapper handsome bastard. If Clutch was a 500lb neckbeard he would not be where he is despite putting in the same effort.

Its not really sexism, its sexyism.

edit: This discussion seems to be derailing a bit. I'm pretty sure the OP wants to discuss women used as eye-candy for presentation purposes and not female gamers. Female gamers is a complicated discussion and should be kept seperate imo.

On July 18 2012 10:42 Forikorder wrote:

girls cant hang with the guys because they jsut arent as dedicated to sit in the team house and grind out 12 hours a day

look at teenage girls text and tell me they dont ahve hand dexterity and hand eye coordination



your attitude isnt even going to come into play until you have a result to back it up or troll people streaming

it doesnt matter if you have the craziest personality ever if you dont actually do well i a tournament your jsut practicing in front of a mirror

also "quiet, reserved saids few words in interviews" thats scarlett she wins WCS barely squeaks out a few words and disapears

if your an Idra or a Naniwa you can get more exposure a bit easier but people are still going to look at skill first personality second

On July 18 2012 10:58 Daitakk wrote:
Sex Sells. Now that the inescapably obvious is out of the way lets look at Lauren's male counter-part at the NASL finals: Clutch.

I'll say it right now, Clutch is a dapper handsome bastard. If Clutch was a 500lb neckbeard he would not be where he is despite putting in the same effort.

Its not really sexism, its sexyism.

edit: This discussion seems to be derailing a bit. I'm pretty sure the OP wants to discuss women used as eye-candy for presentation purposes and not female gamers. Female gamers is a complicated discussion and should be kept seperate imo.

On July 18 2012 10:41 Heavenlee wrote:


Read what I wrote. Sexualization of females is not a media thing, it's a human nature thing, which extends to the media. Regardless of whether there is sexuality in the 1950's and 60's, they kind of opppressed women far more than we do in modern times, and let's not forge the baby boom where everyone got knocked up all at once. There is a reason that women are looked at as sexual creatures, attractive people are valued over unattractive people especially for females, and why men like looking at attractive hostesses in general.

It appeals to our basic animal instincts, and there is nothing wrong with wanting to look at eye candy despite whoever wants to wax poetic about how women are being taken advantage of. Because who is being taken advantage of here? Lauren, who gets paid to be the hostess at an event where she dances around, gets to have fun? She's a playmate, I doubt she is too offended by guys sexualizing her and doesn't need some guy to write a thread on the internet defending her personal choice. Nor does any female who should be smart enough to realize why she was hired to be the hostess of a large gaming event that's 99% males. The idea in the OP that having a hot hostess at an event ruins the entire female gender and its attempt to get into e-sports...is just retarded. No one besides people in twitch.tv streamchats and youtube comments are going to compare Lauren to some girl gamer trying to make it big, it's just a completely random comparison that assumes everyone is stupid enough to not understand there's a difference.

On July 18 2012 11:04 babybell wrote:

Are you joking? Clutch is very far from being considered handsome..

On July 18 2012 11:00 Forikorder wrote:

while i agree that it is generally viewed as a more MALE activity, it does not have to be a male activity and the only thing stopping females from competing at the level of Males is there attitude and the amount of effort that goes into it

it reminds me of this insanely old video from back in GSL open season 2 i think where Artosis is walking around the qualifiers with a video camera and hes filming Nada then he saids "but more importantly a girl!" and zooms in on her and people were talking about her for days

if a girl does what Scarlett did she would get just as much (if not more) attention then Scarlett, because i think at this point because its been so long without a real female pro gamer (just ignoring Scarlett for a second) that being female jsut isnt a real barrier anymore because there are so many people who want to see Females succeed that theyd help anyone with some skill over those barriers

all we really need is one female to pull it off and then every female will go "woa i guess we can be jsut as good as guys" and then theyll start flooding in the problem is no female has yet to really be willing to go against the stereotype yet

On July 18 2012 11:05 VirgilSC2 wrote:

Are you joking? Clutch is a pretty handsome guy, and he carries himself well.

On July 18 2012 11:02 FullNatural wrote:


So girls can text all day and super fast, but they can't play a video game for 12 hours a day??? Doesn't make much sense. The reason girls don't play starcraft for 12 hours a day is because they aren't good. Doing something you aren't good at for 12 hours a day (compared to men) is demoralizing. And so they stop trying to compete with men and/or join an all female league.

Like I said before. This is the reason there are seperate leagues in all sports for men and women. Because it would be demoralizing for women to try and compete with men in sports.

On July 18 2012 08:03 mrtomjones wrote:
The day a really good looking female achieves something in SC based on her play is the day she will have a bright future as a part of the commentating/host side of the events.

Every sport in the world has people involved who never achieved anything. Deal with it. Not every aspect of hosting requires SC knowledge really either.

On July 18 2012 07:58 Vildhjerta wrote:
There are several female profiles in the StarCraft community who possess the acquired knowledge and are passionate about the game

On July 18 2012 11:04 BuddhaMonk wrote:


There's two points I have for you.

First, you can't just say "humans are a sexual creature therefore anything related to sexualization of humans is OK". You can take that logic to disturbing extremes. Why not show porn to school children? Maybe a model should have been on a side stage at NASL finals naked and pleasuring herself - after all we're sexual beings and that's what appeals to our basic animal instincts right? If you don't agree with those statements then you should ask yourself why not and where exactly is that line and why is it right or wrong? Those are the real issues. Simply saying we're sexual beings doesn't actually tell us anything.

Second I would say that the argument that simply because humans have done something for a long time or throughout evolutionary history that it's OK or good to do. Humans have been practicing slavery since the dawn of time, should we simply accept that it's part of human nature and be OK with it, or should we work to remove of it from our culture?

Instead you should argue about the sexualization of men and women in media on its own merits. One argument which you alluded to (and I mentioned in the previous post) is that the current increase in sexualization of women in media is an unintended (or unforseen) side effect of feminism. So in a sense feminism is the cause but I think in general everyone agrees that we're better off now than we were then in the early days of media. All that being said I think the jury is still out on whether the mass consumption and presentation of men and women as being sexual first, human second is good or bad for society as a whole, especially with respect to the ease with which children have access to the same media.

On July 18 2012 10:35 mierin wrote:
I think Soe's doing a pretty good job at being a female in esports...hot, decently knowledgeable about the game, and interacts well with the crowd. Here's hoping for more characters like her to pop up.