마지막 gsl 이 끝났다 다들 감사합니다 thx for cheer I stoped to SCII
Thanking everyone for cheering him on in his last GSL. + Show Spoiler +
Yes he lost to MMA
Leaving Absolute Legends a few days ago was likely a sign that this was coming. No idea as of now what he plans to do. Recent interview of his after qualifying for code A, seemed to lack excitement for the game.+ Show Spoiler +
You are back in the GSL after a long absence. How do you feel?
Nothing much. I don’t think I’m that happy about it.
How have you been?
I’ve been well. I’ve played some major games as well as Starcraft 2. Since I am currently part of a team, I am practising (laugh).
Didn’t you miss the GSL?
Not really. I didn’t get hung up on it. I came to the qualifiers because of a deal between myself and my team’s representative and thought this would be the last time. If I didn’t get through, I was planning on never coming back.
You were forced into it then?
Not this time. However, I did feel a bit forced two qualifiers ago. This season, I had a motive for trying to qualify.
Were any of the games difficult?
They all were. It’s because I’ve gotten worse (laugh). It was even harder because I tried to play macro for all of them. I never use all in strategies these days.
Fans are expecting a lot from you.
I hope they don’t. Please, I beg you (laugh). I won’t be able to show games like the ones in the past. Everyone else has gotten better so it will be too difficult for me to make the games interesting.
What’s your goal this season?
I just want to enjoy myself. Maybe I should go talk to the team representative for more motivation (laugh).
Anything to add?
I am always thankful to my parents. I want to thank the team captain Lee, Jun Ho. I hope Clide and Maka play well tomorrow.
Just saw his last game in GSL against MMA. Too bad it had to end up like that, the second VR All-In was pretty obvious and he could've probably pulled of a much better, yet cheesy, strategy if he wanted to.
Bust of luck to him in the future still, such a talented player not even dedicating full-time to SC2 was rare enough to notice.
So sad to see Hungun go. He was one of my first favorite players when I started watching SC2 in 2010. I will never forget his carrier play in the GSL. I will never forget Tasteless and Artosis trying to hide their shock when he was building carriers on Delta Quadrant, and then actually won.
What a sad investment from absolute legends in the Korean market. They had a partnership with oGs, who disbanded. They recruited check, but he retired. they recruited HongUn, but he retired as well. they recruited maka, and I seriously don't know where he is today.
On June 26 2012 19:59 Eee wrote: What a sad investment from absolute legends in the Korean market. They had a partnership with oGs, who disbanded. They recruited check, but he retired. they recruited HongUn, but he retired as well. they recruited maka, and I seriously don't know where he is today.
Maka tried to qualify at the previous Code A qualifier too, don't know what he's been up to besides that. He was dropped by AL along with Satiini a while ago.
AL posted a short interview with HongUn before today's game too. Judging from what happened today it was mostly fluff. Can't say I understand why they chose to part ways before the broadcast, I'd think the PR of having HongUn representing AL in Code A would have been worth something to the team.
On June 26 2012 20:14 nighcol wrote: AL posted a short interview with HongUn before today's game too. Judging from what happened today it was mostly fluff. Can't say I understand why they chose to part ways before the broadcast, I'd think the PR of having HongUn representing AL in Code A would have been worth something to the team.
I had no idea what AL was before today.... so i guess their PR move worked on me?
Farewell, HongUn. One of my favourite Protoss players and truly a legend of classic StarCraft 2 alongside such names as Maka, FruitDealer, RainBOw and BitByBit.
Well, although I totally despised how he wasted the viewer's time with two stupid all-in's to end the series today. What a way to end your pro gaming career -_-'' I do wish him the best of luck in the future though.
Not too surprising. He never really seemed that motivated to play and almost retired a few times in the past. Good luck in whatever you do after progaming Hongun
might not have been the most popular player (probably because of artosis always trashing him) but he did do well at a point he beat MC in a pvp 3-1 when everyone thought MC would absolutely trash him, funnily enough those were his only pvp wins in KR lol
might not have been the most popular player (probably because of artosis always trashing him) but he did do well at a point he beat MC in a pvp 3-1 when everyone thought MC would absolutely trash him, funnily enough those were his only pvp wins in KR lol
he was that guy that refused to 4gate until they fixed PvP :-)
might not have been the most popular player (probably because of artosis always trashing him) but he did do well at a point he beat MC in a pvp 3-1 when everyone thought MC would absolutely trash him, funnily enough those were his only pvp wins in KR lol
On June 26 2012 22:07 LatsyrC wrote: i dont understand why they retire? dont they have a salary just for playing? besides small tournaments that they can just walkover everyone?
Maybe they don't want to play a game they neither enjoy nor excel at anymore for a mediocre salary that nevertheless demands a ridiculous amount of time, effort, and stress? Are you retarded?
On June 26 2012 22:07 LatsyrC wrote: i dont understand why they retire? dont they have a salary just for playing? besides small tournaments that they can just walkover everyone?
Maybe they don't want to play a game they neither enjoy nor excel at anymore for a mediocre salary that nevertheless demands a ridiculous amount of time, effort, and stress? Are you retarded?
Lower level koreans usually only get salary on foreign teams. Most korean teams don't hava salaries.
On June 26 2012 22:07 LatsyrC wrote: i dont understand why they retire? dont they have a salary just for playing? besides small tournaments that they can just walkover everyone?
Maybe they don't want to play a game they neither enjoy nor excel at anymore for a mediocre salary that nevertheless demands a ridiculous amount of time, effort, and stress? Are you retarded?
im sorry for being retarded asking a question, but u play this game like him and dont have a salary? what about that? why do u play it? its the same at least for me
On June 26 2012 22:07 LatsyrC wrote: i dont understand why they retire? dont they have a salary just for playing? besides small tournaments that they can just walkover everyone?
Maybe they don't want to play a game they neither enjoy nor excel at anymore for a mediocre salary that nevertheless demands a ridiculous amount of time, effort, and stress? Are you retarded?
im sorry for being retarded asking a question, but u play this game like him and dont have a salary? what about that? why do u play it? its the same at least for me
He and everyone else plays it because they have fun doing so, it's entertaining. Yes he was paid but he didn't enjoy playing anymore so he retires. There is more to life than money.
On June 26 2012 22:07 LatsyrC wrote: i dont understand why they retire? dont they have a salary just for playing? besides small tournaments that they can just walkover everyone?
Maybe they don't want to play a game they neither enjoy nor excel at anymore for a mediocre salary that nevertheless demands a ridiculous amount of time, effort, and stress? Are you retarded?
Lower level koreans usually only get salary on foreign teams. Most korean teams don't hava salaries.
And he's on a small foreign team, thus he'd get a mediocre salary? There's a woosh here but I don't know where.
On June 26 2012 23:06 acgFork wrote: I was watching his stream and noticed he didnt use an ingame timer. lol wtf?
not everyplayer used that, thats call to much BWoldshool gamer, i dont use it, i have my timmings set based on other things, food, knowledge, whats your opponent doing and so on
On June 26 2012 23:13 archonOOid wrote: Has sc2 peaked, WoL at least? So may players are dropping out, switching games and thinks that the game is dull/boring.
I don't know about foreign players, but what Koreans have retired? Nada was way past his prime and Hongun had injuries to deal with. With all due respect they were washed up, as was FD etc..
I can think of a lot of players who don't look motivated or don't have the same passion for the game who should probably go their own way. If it isn't fun anymore then it's time to move on.
On June 27 2012 00:36 ShynZ wrote: he should have retired long time ago... what a waste of a code a spot
Good thing you don't dictate their play. I can think of several players who probably should think about retiring from competition, but you know what? Like I said earlier it's their choice. Not your's so bugger off.
The best moment with him was in the GSTL when he got 4 wins in a row against Ogs (i think?) with pure cheeses, you were my favoruite player for such a long time will miss you.
On June 26 2012 23:13 archonOOid wrote: Has sc2 peaked, WoL at least? So may players are dropping out, switching games and thinks that the game is dull/boring.
I don't know about foreign players, but what Koreans have retired? Nada was way past his prime and Hongun had injuries to deal with. With all due respect they were washed up, as was FD etc..
On June 26 2012 22:04 SplashbackFerret wrote: Fun fact: HongUn was the first player ever to knock Clide (the best player in the universe) out of the GSL (in open season 1).
Fun fact: Clide is not the best player in the universe.. I am sorry
On June 26 2012 23:13 archonOOid wrote: Has sc2 peaked, WoL at least? So may players are dropping out, switching games and thinks that the game is dull/boring.
I don't know about foreign players, but what Koreans have retired? Nada was way past his prime and Hongun had injuries to deal with. With all due respect they were washed up, as was FD etc..
Glad I got his autograph before he retired. I loved watching his crazy and unorthodox style, even if he wasn't one of the upper tier pro gamers. Sad news to hear, but I kind of expected it was coming.
Long fingers he has. I noticed it in his game vs MMA where the way he holds and clicks on the mouse is unique to me. Good luck, HongUn on your future endeavours.
On June 26 2012 19:41 MrMercuG wrote: Despite what everyone says, he was still one of the biggest and longest Code S players. He will be missed.
Very true, I remember when he was really dependable and was pretty much counted in on Code S every time, though he seemed to fall off as the pros got better. He was really awesome though, I hope he streams his antics .
I was really looking forward to his return. It's so sad to hear he's calling it quits. I hope he comes back some time in HotS or at least streams himself playing other games. He was one of the most entertaining people to watch.
I was rather interested to see what other types of unorthodox strategies he would bring for the protoss. Kinda sad to see HongUn go, best of luck in the future.
On June 27 2012 02:41 Enzymatic wrote: I have good memories of him streaming roflstomping high masters and GM Terran players using Mothership in PvT, lol.
Better to retire and pursue something else if pro-gaming is not for you. Never liked his "I don't give a fuck" attitude when there are so many players clamouring for a chance to play SC2 at the highest levels.
I finally got back to catch hongun's final games, I was very sad that he went "screw it" (Like I sadly deep down expected him to) with void ray all ins I wish he went "screw it" with a mass carrier build . I'll miss you carrierkingprime.
Wasn't this awhile ago? I swear I heard about this a little bit ago.
If not though,
I liked HongUn before Waxangel gave him the credit he deserved. Then Waxangel gave him the credit he deswerved and he fell out of Code S. So we can clearly blame Waxangel for this.
Glad he didn't get hongunup about the GSL. Best of luck in life, hope he finds something he can be passionate about since he didn't care too much about SC towards the end. I love watching a good all-in, and he was always there to provide some nice micro battles
Always a shame when someone who's been around for quite a while does retire. In this case, judging by his post-qualifier interview, it seems that HongUn didn't really want to go any further and thus didn't practice and prepare well. That's a shame, and in hindsight he should not have taken a valuable spot in the qualifiers then. There are so many other hopefuls out there who'd kill to be part of the GSL. Oh well, all the best for your future, HongUn.
On June 26 2012 19:49 papaz wrote: He didn't look motivated at all in his last interview so this was not surprising at all.
I expect more retirements when the Kespa players raises the skill ceiling and crushes faces.
Would think these comments stopped by now
I'd expect it to go both ways as the competition gets higher. There are still a lot of players out there who are having a hard time in having any staying power. I expect a lot more KeSPA players to retire just like I expect more guys will lose their drive in playing SC2. HotS will definitely help reinvigorate a few but the question is how long.
Wow that was awesome, he went so much derper than I expected XD
I will miss you so much HongUn. If only you didn't have problems with your wrists... and he was more motivated. Perhaps he may have taken down Nestea in that Ro4 that one time and possibly have won a GSL.
Dammit HongUn, what are you retiring for? Do you have a good paying job now or are you just totally disgusted by playing so much Starcraft?
Wow that was awesome, he went so much derper than I expected XD
I will miss you so much HongUn. If only you didn't have problems with your wrists... and he was more motivated. Perhaps he may have taken down Nestea in that Ro4 that one time and possibly have won a GSL.
Dammit HongUn, what are you retiring for? Do you have a good paying job now or are you just totally disgusted by playing so much Starcraft?
HongUn just seemed to have lost all will to play, it happened randomly from time to time since open season 3 when HongUn would randomly be depressed in interviews before being happy again. I suppose finally he gave up once and for all, his qualifier interview was a clear indicator that he simply stopped caring and only stuck around due to his contract with absolute legends.
Wow that was awesome, he went so much derper than I expected XD
I will miss you so much HongUn. If only you didn't have problems with your wrists... and he was more motivated. Perhaps he may have taken down Nestea in that Ro4 that one time and possibly have won a GSL.
Dammit HongUn, what are you retiring for? Do you have a good paying job now or are you just totally disgusted by playing so much Starcraft?
HongUn just seemed to have lost all will to play, it happened randomly from time to time since open season 3 when HongUn would randomly be depressed in interviews before being happy again. I suppose finally he gave up once and for all, his qualifier interview was a clear indicator that he simply stopped caring and only stuck around due to his contract with absolute legends.
I wonder why he quit though. Actually he streamed several times in May, but only 2 times in June. I wonder if he always streams when he plays (I would say yes). Even though he doesn't play much, he can still own NA GM. I wonder if he plays other games or if he's disgusted though. I mean, playing SC2 only 2 times a month? Why so little? I hope he's not playing LoL XD.
Since he was on Absolute Legends, I imagined it shouldn't be hard to stay on the team. Maybe they were going to keep forcing him to try to qualify for GSL and he didn't want that, so he left and retired after not feeling like finding another foreign team he can make easy money off of? (While playing SC2 very minimally, basically only for fun while he can still ride on his skill). Or maybe the money he made was very very little.
I'm a bit curious ;O I mean, he could still compete in some Playhem daily cups and win money. Though i guess even if he wins 50% of them, that's like 4 hours for 37.5$... so I guess it's not a very good pay especially if he's not having fun at all =/
T_T
He didn't even let us know what that other goal in life he wanted to accomplish X) Dang it interviewer, why didn't you ask him? XD
Gah Hongun I love you to death. When I return to laddering, it will be only void ray all ins vs terran in your honor.
Besides, I feel like both games he wasn't anal enough about maintaining the charge on the void rays. I feel like jaedong or someone who could do muta micro in sc1 could of made atleast one of those games work. Regardless, he went out doing what I remember him doing(besides blink).
Wow that was awesome, he went so much derper than I expected XD
I will miss you so much HongUn. If only you didn't have problems with your wrists... and he was more motivated. Perhaps he may have taken down Nestea in that Ro4 that one time and possibly have won a GSL.
Dammit HongUn, what are you retiring for? Do you have a good paying job now or are you just totally disgusted by playing so much Starcraft?
HongUn just seemed to have lost all will to play, it happened randomly from time to time since open season 3 when HongUn would randomly be depressed in interviews before being happy again. I suppose finally he gave up once and for all, his qualifier interview was a clear indicator that he simply stopped caring and only stuck around due to his contract with absolute legends.
Well back when he was in the semi finals of GSL every interview he was complaining about his wrists. Is there actual info he ever got that fixed up cause i can imagine that being a major dump in motivation.
wow pretty big news but I guess it was kinda foreshadowed by the way he played last night
it just seemed like he didnt care, no offense to him, but it just seems like he didnt give a damn last night. Pretty sad performance for his last GSL event. shouldve atleast showed some good games
oh well sometimes shit doesnt work out and best of luck to him where ever he goes
This really just goes to show you how much emotional strength and dedication are more important than natural talent. He played well when it was easy for him, now that it's difficult, he's moving on to other things... SC2 isn't that important in the grand scheme of things, but I hope this is not how he approaches everything else in his life. Good luck to him, I hope he finds something he's passionate enough about that he'll keep doing it even when it become hard.
Love HongUn, his carrier play was really fun to watch. I don't quite understand the move considering his career is still very much alive, but I guess it's better to quit while you're ahead.
On June 27 2012 14:00 Demonhunter04 wrote: NaDa, then Guineapig, then HongUn...
You forgot about July and Rainbow, also in the same time period ^^
On June 27 2012 17:16 darkness wrote: He never impressed me, and his lack of passion for the game was annoying. I mean if doesn't have passion, he could have let other take his slot.
He could, but he's got a life too and needs to make money ;O
Well, he did mention even a year ago, when he made the Code S semi-finals, that his wrists were bothering him and he was cutting back on practice. This has been a long time in the making
Sad to see his career come to an end. At first, I was thinking, "yay, less cheese in the GSL!" ... but, really, we need these guys! Admit it! You'll be missed HongUn
On June 27 2012 13:35 Gamegene wrote: mother fucker. why bother trying out for Code A when you don't even intend to put in any effort.
that's one spot some rookie would have killed for.
still defeated the others trying to qualify didnt he lol. why let a rookie that even he can beat into code a?
thats not how it works. w/e it feels like the guy has some personal issues (it seems obvious actually) so i dont think u can really bash him for doing that. still i agree its not that nice...
On June 27 2012 13:35 Gamegene wrote: mother fucker. why bother trying out for Code A when you don't even intend to put in any effort.
that's one spot some rookie would have killed for.
still defeated the others trying to qualify didnt he lol. why let a rookie that even he can beat into code a?
thats not how it works. w/e it feels like the guy has some personal issues (it seems obvious actually) so i dont think u can really bash him for doing that. still i agree its not that nice...
Well it IS how it works. If you're not good enough (AKA you can't win the prelim) then too bad ;O
It's not "nice" but hey he has a life too you know? He has to make money too. We don't know what his life is like, so we can't judge him like that.
On June 27 2012 13:35 Gamegene wrote: mother fucker. why bother trying out for Code A when you don't even intend to put in any effort.
that's one spot some rookie would have killed for.
still defeated the others trying to qualify didnt he lol. why let a rookie that even he can beat into code a?
because they'll at the very least try, and do more with the opportunity presented to them. better than someone who blatantly does not want to do anything with the scene at all.
and there are many highly competitive professional players that are repeatedly denied qualification.
On June 27 2012 13:35 Gamegene wrote: mother fucker. why bother trying out for Code A when you don't even intend to put in any effort.
that's one spot some rookie would have killed for.
still defeated the others trying to qualify didnt he lol. why let a rookie that even he can beat into code a?
because they'll at the very least try, and do more with the opportunity presented to them. better than someone who blatantly does not want to do anything with the scene at all.
and there are many highly competitive professional players that are repeatedly denied qualification.
All this proves is that they are not ready to compete in the GSL. Anyone could have qualified in place of Hongun and lost 0-2 to MMA, there's no difference.
On June 27 2012 13:35 Gamegene wrote: mother fucker. why bother trying out for Code A when you don't even intend to put in any effort.
that's one spot some rookie would have killed for.
still defeated the others trying to qualify didnt he lol. why let a rookie that even he can beat into code a?
because they'll at the very least try, and do more with the opportunity presented to them. better than someone who blatantly does not want to do anything with the scene at all.
and there are many highly competitive professional players that are repeatedly denied qualification.
All this proves is that they are not ready to compete in the GSL. Anyone could have qualified in place of Hongun and lost 0-2 to MMA, there's no difference.
On June 27 2012 13:35 Gamegene wrote: mother fucker. why bother trying out for Code A when you don't even intend to put in any effort.
that's one spot some rookie would have killed for.
still defeated the others trying to qualify didnt he lol. why let a rookie that even he can beat into code a?
because they'll at the very least try, and do more with the opportunity presented to them. better than someone who blatantly does not want to do anything with the scene at all.
and there are many highly competitive professional players that are repeatedly denied qualification.
First bold - It doesn't matter if those other Code B players "try". If they couldn't even beat HongUn, then they don't deserve Code A yet.
I have friends that are grandmasters and high masters, and they try their very hardest and compete in tournaments. Does that mean that they deserve Code A spot? No. If that was the case, then there will be hundreds, if not, thousands of players in Code A because they "try". That's not how it works in the real world.
Second bold - It's true that there are highly competitive professional players that are denied qualification. But, how is that HongUn's fault exactly? He has nothing to do with that. Have you ever thought that it's actually quite sad that those players HongUn beat in Code B can't even beat him? Imagine if HongUn was motivated.
It's very simple, beat the competition to gain a Code A spot (unless a foreigner was invited for a spot). It doesn't matter who you're playing against. That is how reality works.
On June 27 2012 13:35 Gamegene wrote: mother fucker. why bother trying out for Code A when you don't even intend to put in any effort.
that's one spot some rookie would have killed for.
still defeated the others trying to qualify didnt he lol. why let a rookie that even he can beat into code a?
because they'll at the very least try, and do more with the opportunity presented to them. better than someone who blatantly does not want to do anything with the scene at all.
and there are many highly competitive professional players that are repeatedly denied qualification.
First bold - It doesn't matter if those other Code B players "try". If they couldn't even beat HongUn, then they don't deserve Code A yet.
I have friends that are grandmasters and high masters, and they try their very hardest and compete in tournaments. Does that mean that they deserve Code A spot? No. If that was the case, then there will be hundreds, if not, thousands of players in Code A because they "try". That's not how it works in the real world.
Second bold - It's true that there are highly competitive professional players that are denied qualification. But, how is that HongUn's fault exactly? He has nothing to do with that. Have you ever thought that it's actually quite sad that those players HongUn beat in Code B can't even beat him? Imagine if HongUn was motivated.
It's very simple, beat the competition to gain a Code A spot (unless a foreigner was invited for a spot). It doesn't matter who you're playing against. That is how reality works.
I agree that rules are rules, and that players have to go through the procedures. That what could have happened is irrelevant.
However, the attitude that's displayed by HongUn just doesn't agree with me. Personally. So there's no need to lecture me on what is "real" and what isn't.
I'm not happy with it, but I'm not implying that HongUn wasn't playing at a high level, or that his skill and playstyle should not be respected. I'm not happy that he had to waste a spot, but that does not mean that I am saying that he should not have qualified.
this makes me fking depressed. I always felt hongun had all the ability to be the best protoss in the world he just didn't seem to have it all click. maybe if he had dedicated himself and played more standard he could have been. I hope he comes back for HOTS but he probably won't.
I'm going to go listen to katatonia and my dying bride for 8 hrs straight and probably cry myself to sleep when I'm done.
On June 27 2012 13:35 Gamegene wrote: mother fucker. why bother trying out for Code A when you don't even intend to put in any effort.
that's one spot some rookie would have killed for.
still defeated the others trying to qualify didnt he lol. why let a rookie that even he can beat into code a?
because they'll at the very least try, and do more with the opportunity presented to them. better than someone who blatantly does not want to do anything with the scene at all.
and there are many highly competitive professional players that are repeatedly denied qualification.
First bold - It doesn't matter if those other Code B players "try". If they couldn't even beat HongUn, then they don't deserve Code A yet.
I have friends that are grandmasters and high masters, and they try their very hardest and compete in tournaments. Does that mean that they deserve Code A spot? No. If that was the case, then there will be hundreds, if not, thousands of players in Code A because they "try". That's not how it works in the real world.
Second bold - It's true that there are highly competitive professional players that are denied qualification. But, how is that HongUn's fault exactly? He has nothing to do with that. Have you ever thought that it's actually quite sad that those players HongUn beat in Code B can't even beat him? Imagine if HongUn was motivated.
It's very simple, beat the competition to gain a Code A spot (unless a foreigner was invited for a spot). It doesn't matter who you're playing against. That is how reality works.
I agree that rules are rules, and that players have to go through the procedures. That what could have happened is irrelevant.
However, the attitude that's displayed by HongUn just doesn't agree with me. Personally. So there's no need to lecture me on what is "real" and what isn't.
I'm not happy with it, but I'm not implying that HongUn wasn't playing at a high level, or that his skill and playstyle should not be respected. I'm not happy that he had to waste a spot, but that does not mean that I am saying that he should not have qualified.
HongUn played SlayersMMA right off the bat in this season's Code A. MMA is a former GSL Code S Champion. Can't really blame HongUn for losing, as MMA is a great player.
On June 27 2012 13:35 Gamegene wrote: mother fucker. why bother trying out for Code A when you don't even intend to put in any effort.
that's one spot some rookie would have killed for.
still defeated the others trying to qualify didnt he lol. why let a rookie that even he can beat into code a?
because they'll at the very least try, and do more with the opportunity presented to them. better than someone who blatantly does not want to do anything with the scene at all.
and there are many highly competitive professional players that are repeatedly denied qualification.
First bold - It doesn't matter if those other Code B players "try". If they couldn't even beat HongUn, then they don't deserve Code A yet.
I have friends that are grandmasters and high masters, and they try their very hardest and compete in tournaments. Does that mean that they deserve Code A spot? No. If that was the case, then there will be hundreds, if not, thousands of players in Code A because they "try". That's not how it works in the real world.
Second bold - It's true that there are highly competitive professional players that are denied qualification. But, how is that HongUn's fault exactly? He has nothing to do with that. Have you ever thought that it's actually quite sad that those players HongUn beat in Code B can't even beat him? Imagine if HongUn was motivated.
It's very simple, beat the competition to gain a Code A spot (unless a foreigner was invited for a spot). It doesn't matter who you're playing against. That is how reality works.
I agree that rules are rules, and that players have to go through the procedures. That what could have happened is irrelevant.
However, the attitude that's displayed by HongUn just doesn't agree with me. Personally. So there's no need to lecture me on what is "real" and what isn't.
I'm not happy with it, but I'm not implying that HongUn wasn't playing at a high level, or that his skill and playstyle should not be respected. I'm not happy that he had to waste a spot, but that does not mean that I am saying that he should not have qualified.
HongUn played SlayersMMA right off the bat in this season's Code A. MMA is a former GSL Code S Champion. Can't really blame HongUn for losing, as MMA is a great player.
On June 27 2012 13:35 Gamegene wrote: mother fucker. why bother trying out for Code A when you don't even intend to put in any effort.
that's one spot some rookie would have killed for.
still defeated the others trying to qualify didnt he lol. why let a rookie that even he can beat into code a?
because they'll at the very least try, and do more with the opportunity presented to them. better than someone who blatantly does not want to do anything with the scene at all.
and there are many highly competitive professional players that are repeatedly denied qualification.
First bold - It doesn't matter if those other Code B players "try". If they couldn't even beat HongUn, then they don't deserve Code A yet.
I have friends that are grandmasters and high masters, and they try their very hardest and compete in tournaments. Does that mean that they deserve Code A spot? No. If that was the case, then there will be hundreds, if not, thousands of players in Code A because they "try". That's not how it works in the real world.
Second bold - It's true that there are highly competitive professional players that are denied qualification. But, how is that HongUn's fault exactly? He has nothing to do with that. Have you ever thought that it's actually quite sad that those players HongUn beat in Code B can't even beat him? Imagine if HongUn was motivated.
It's very simple, beat the competition to gain a Code A spot (unless a foreigner was invited for a spot). It doesn't matter who you're playing against. That is how reality works.
I agree that rules are rules, and that players have to go through the procedures. That what could have happened is irrelevant.
However, the attitude that's displayed by HongUn just doesn't agree with me. Personally. So there's no need to lecture me on what is "real" and what isn't.
I'm not happy with it, but I'm not implying that HongUn wasn't playing at a high level, or that his skill and playstyle should not be respected. I'm not happy that he had to waste a spot, but that does not mean that I am saying that he should not have qualified.
HongUn played SlayersMMA right off the bat in this season's Code A. MMA is a former GSL Code S Champion. Can't really blame HongUn for losing, as MMA is a great player.
That's not the point. Hongun didn't care about this game, and this was shown in his play. He would probably have lost to basically anyone in Code A, since it seemed from his interview that he didn't even want to win.
I'm with Gamegene on this one. Of course he was good enough to go through the qualifiers and therefore he "deserved" the spot, but I think his final approach was really bad. I had hoped that he would at least try, since he no doubt knew that many had been looking forward to him play again.
I like Hongun for what he did during 2011, but I feel that it's a shame how little he seemed to care in the end.
On June 27 2012 13:35 Gamegene wrote: mother fucker. why bother trying out for Code A when you don't even intend to put in any effort.
that's one spot some rookie would have killed for.
still defeated the others trying to qualify didnt he lol. why let a rookie that even he can beat into code a?
because they'll at the very least try, and do more with the opportunity presented to them. better than someone who blatantly does not want to do anything with the scene at all.
and there are many highly competitive professional players that are repeatedly denied qualification.
First bold - It doesn't matter if those other Code B players "try". If they couldn't even beat HongUn, then they don't deserve Code A yet.
I have friends that are grandmasters and high masters, and they try their very hardest and compete in tournaments. Does that mean that they deserve Code A spot? No. If that was the case, then there will be hundreds, if not, thousands of players in Code A because they "try". That's not how it works in the real world.
Second bold - It's true that there are highly competitive professional players that are denied qualification. But, how is that HongUn's fault exactly? He has nothing to do with that. Have you ever thought that it's actually quite sad that those players HongUn beat in Code B can't even beat him? Imagine if HongUn was motivated.
It's very simple, beat the competition to gain a Code A spot (unless a foreigner was invited for a spot). It doesn't matter who you're playing against. That is how reality works.
I agree that rules are rules, and that players have to go through the procedures. That what could have happened is irrelevant.
However, the attitude that's displayed by HongUn just doesn't agree with me. Personally. So there's no need to lecture me on what is "real" and what isn't.
I'm not happy with it, but I'm not implying that HongUn wasn't playing at a high level, or that his skill and playstyle should not be respected. I'm not happy that he had to waste a spot, but that does not mean that I am saying that he should not have qualified.
HongUn played SlayersMMA right off the bat in this season's Code A. MMA is a former GSL Code S Champion. Can't really blame HongUn for losing, as MMA is a great player.
That's not the point. Hongun didn't care about this game, and this was shown in his play. He would probably have lost to basically anyone in Code A, since it seemed from his interview that he didn't even want to win.
I'm with Gamegene on this one. Of course he was good enough to go through the qualifiers and therefore he "deserved" the spot, but I think his final approach was really bad. I had hoped that he would at least try, since he no doubt knew that many had been looking forward to him play again.
I like Hongun for what he did during 2011, but I feel that it's a shame how little he seemed to care in the end.
I don't get why you're bitching. If he was able to get through the qualifiers unmotivated and with the same level of play he had shown against MMA, what makes you think anyone else in that qualifier that couldn't beat him would do better? If they can't beat HongUn, they don't deserve a Code A spot. Some people just love to bash on others.
On June 27 2012 13:35 Gamegene wrote: mother fucker. why bother trying out for Code A when you don't even intend to put in any effort.
that's one spot some rookie would have killed for.
still defeated the others trying to qualify didnt he lol. why let a rookie that even he can beat into code a?
because they'll at the very least try, and do more with the opportunity presented to them. better than someone who blatantly does not want to do anything with the scene at all.
and there are many highly competitive professional players that are repeatedly denied qualification.
First bold - It doesn't matter if those other Code B players "try". If they couldn't even beat HongUn, then they don't deserve Code A yet.
I have friends that are grandmasters and high masters, and they try their very hardest and compete in tournaments. Does that mean that they deserve Code A spot? No. If that was the case, then there will be hundreds, if not, thousands of players in Code A because they "try". That's not how it works in the real world.
Second bold - It's true that there are highly competitive professional players that are denied qualification. But, how is that HongUn's fault exactly? He has nothing to do with that. Have you ever thought that it's actually quite sad that those players HongUn beat in Code B can't even beat him? Imagine if HongUn was motivated.
It's very simple, beat the competition to gain a Code A spot (unless a foreigner was invited for a spot). It doesn't matter who you're playing against. That is how reality works.
I agree that rules are rules, and that players have to go through the procedures. That what could have happened is irrelevant.
However, the attitude that's displayed by HongUn just doesn't agree with me. Personally. So there's no need to lecture me on what is "real" and what isn't.
I'm not happy with it, but I'm not implying that HongUn wasn't playing at a high level, or that his skill and playstyle should not be respected. I'm not happy that he had to waste a spot, but that does not mean that I am saying that he should not have qualified.
HongUn played SlayersMMA right off the bat in this season's Code A. MMA is a former GSL Code S Champion. Can't really blame HongUn for losing, as MMA is a great player.
That's not the point. Hongun didn't care about this game, and this was shown in his play. He would probably have lost to basically anyone in Code A, since it seemed from his interview that he didn't even want to win.
I'm with Gamegene on this one. Of course he was good enough to go through the qualifiers and therefore he "deserved" the spot, but I think his final approach was really bad. I had hoped that he would at least try, since he no doubt knew that many had been looking forward to him play again.
I like Hongun for what he did during 2011, but I feel that it's a shame how little he seemed to care in the end.
I don't get why you're bitching. If he was able to get through the qualifiers unmotivated and with the same level of play he had shown against MMA, what makes you think anyone else in that qualifier that couldn't beat him would do better? If they can't beat HongUn, they don't deserve a Code A spot. Some people just love to bash on others.
I didn't mean to bash on him, so if it came off that way I apologize. I don't know how well he played in the qualifiers, but his Code A games against MMA were just sad, and I don't know how anyone who saw it can disagree. He did the same sloppy voidray all-in 2 games in a row and hardly tried to micro in either of the games.
I'm not mad at him or anything, but when he says that he is going to disappoint his fans even before the games, and then proceeds to play like this, I feel that it's a real shame. If he hadn't tried the qualifiers, we would have seen a (perhaps less talented, but far more motivated) player try his best to beat MMA. I'm sure that would have lead to better games than what we saw, and Hongun could have left the scene without disappointing his fans.
On June 27 2012 13:35 Gamegene wrote: mother fucker. why bother trying out for Code A when you don't even intend to put in any effort.
that's one spot some rookie would have killed for.
still defeated the others trying to qualify didnt he lol. why let a rookie that even he can beat into code a?
because they'll at the very least try, and do more with the opportunity presented to them. better than someone who blatantly does not want to do anything with the scene at all.
and there are many highly competitive professional players that are repeatedly denied qualification.
First bold - It doesn't matter if those other Code B players "try". If they couldn't even beat HongUn, then they don't deserve Code A yet.
I have friends that are grandmasters and high masters, and they try their very hardest and compete in tournaments. Does that mean that they deserve Code A spot? No. If that was the case, then there will be hundreds, if not, thousands of players in Code A because they "try". That's not how it works in the real world.
Second bold - It's true that there are highly competitive professional players that are denied qualification. But, how is that HongUn's fault exactly? He has nothing to do with that. Have you ever thought that it's actually quite sad that those players HongUn beat in Code B can't even beat him? Imagine if HongUn was motivated.
It's very simple, beat the competition to gain a Code A spot (unless a foreigner was invited for a spot). It doesn't matter who you're playing against. That is how reality works.
I agree that rules are rules, and that players have to go through the procedures. That what could have happened is irrelevant.
However, the attitude that's displayed by HongUn just doesn't agree with me. Personally. So there's no need to lecture me on what is "real" and what isn't.
I'm not happy with it, but I'm not implying that HongUn wasn't playing at a high level, or that his skill and playstyle should not be respected. I'm not happy that he had to waste a spot, but that does not mean that I am saying that he should not have qualified.
HongUn played SlayersMMA right off the bat in this season's Code A. MMA is a former GSL Code S Champion. Can't really blame HongUn for losing, as MMA is a great player.
That's not the point. Hongun didn't care about this game, and this was shown in his play. He would probably have lost to basically anyone in Code A, since it seemed from his interview that he didn't even want to win.
I'm with Gamegene on this one. Of course he was good enough to go through the qualifiers and therefore he "deserved" the spot, but I think his final approach was really bad. I had hoped that he would at least try, since he no doubt knew that many had been looking forward to him play again.
I like Hongun for what he did during 2011, but I feel that it's a shame how little he seemed to care in the end.
I don't get why you're bitching. If he was able to get through the qualifiers unmotivated and with the same level of play he had shown against MMA, what makes you think anyone else in that qualifier that couldn't beat him would do better? If they can't beat HongUn, they don't deserve a Code A spot. Some people just love to bash on others.
I didn't mean to bash on him, so if it came off that way I apologize. I don't know how well he played in the qualifiers, but his Code A games against MMA were just sad, and I don't know how anyone who saw it can disagree. He did the same sloppy voidray all-in 2 games in a row and hardly tried to micro in either of the games.
I'm not mad at him or anything, but when he says that he is going to disappoint his fans even before the games, and then proceeds to play like this, I feel that it's a real shame. If he hadn't tried the qualifiers, we would have seen a (perhaps less talented, but far more motivated) player try his best to beat MMA. I'm sure that would have lead to better games than what we saw, and Hongun could have left the scene without disappointing his fans.
He hardly tried to micro? Game 2 on Entombed he had some really impressive(trademark HongUn style) void ray micro that kept him in the game longer then he should have normally been able to stay in. Now you're REALLY sounding like you're bashing him.
And if he didn't participate in the qualifiers then someone who couldn't beat even HongUn would of advanced.. and stood no chance versus MMA. You're making it seem like HongUn ruined peoples lives because of this.
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too bad he quit!
