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On June 10 2012 03:36 Firesilver wrote:
Even though they have stated that this is not the final build in all videos, it still seems like a lot of people are already taking this as final and "OMG THIS IS THE END, SWITCHING RACE ASAP". Seriously, wait till it's actually released and went through balance changes. If you can't be patient and realize how hard it is to balance these things from the get go, then just stop posting please.
OTOH, lets stop taking these kinds of posts seriously. It's essentially hype noise.
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fucking depressing, now to switch to zerg or quit the game
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Hey guys just calm the fuck down. This is not final. I am terran too. If Terran is ridiculuosly UP in HotS then Blizz will buff it but for now just wait and see.
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On June 10 2012 03:36 Snowbear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2012 03:32 emc wrote:On June 10 2012 03:29 Esk23 wrote:
Anyone defending Terran thinking it's good from what you've seen in the HotS video need to get your heads checked, seriously. Mech will simply not work with Ultra charge and that Viper Abduct ability. Imagine Broodlord/infestor/mass queen how that's already unbeatable for Terran and combine that with Vipers lololol. Bio will be bad too, imagine how infestor/viper is ganna be, Ultra charge will rape bio like nothing. Game is ganna take some serious patches to balance out. Terran is already terrible right now in WoL. you still have ghosts to emp queens/vipers, you have vikings to counter anything but mutas, you still have ravens to use PDD and buy you time. Yea I think ultras will be strong, but if there is a will there is a way, giving up isn't an answer. Ghosts don't get to the infestors thx to the broodlings + thx to the small emp radius you can't emp them all, corruptors + fungal own vikings, ravens pdd blocks only corruptor shots.
pdd blocks corrupters, gives your vikings more time to snipe BLs, which gives you more room to use your ghosts. If terran utilizes ALL their units just like you claim Zerg will ALWAYS utilize all of their units, then there will be quite a micro battle, sounds like fun to me. It's funny that every terran QQ keeps mentioning vipers/infestors/bls/ultras/queens, practically every strong unit we have and yet the terran doesn't think to use all their tools.
I think terrans who go mech will need 3 armories so they can do mech upgrades and get attack upgrades for their air army. Don't tell me it's not possible when you think it's possible for zerg to get infestors/vipers/bls all at once.
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On June 10 2012 03:37 SarcasmMonster wrote:Here's what TLO has to say about you guys in this thread.  Words of wisdom.
TLO is a wise man. I am excited about all of these units and the idea they present. I find the race switchers amusing on so many levels.
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On June 10 2012 03:38 SnowK wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2012 03:36 Firesilver wrote:
Even though they have stated that this is not the final build in all videos, it still seems like a lot of people are already taking this as final and "OMG THIS IS THE END, SWITCHING RACE ASAP". Seriously, wait till it's actually released and went through balance changes. If you can't be patient and realize how hard it is to balance these things from the get go, then just stop posting please. OTOH, lets stop taking these kinds of posts seriously. It's essentially hype noise.
Wish I could. But in reality the people who are making posts like this probably are serious at the moment, which is the sad part.
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On June 10 2012 03:37 SwizzY wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2012 03:29 Esk23 wrote:
Anyone defending Terran thinking it's good from what you've seen in the HotS video need to get your heads checked, seriously. Mech will simply not work with Ultra charge and that Viper Abduct ability. Imagine Broodlord/infestor/mass queen how that's already unbeatable for Terran and combine that with Vipers lololol. Bio will be bad too, imagine how infestor/viper is ganna be, Ultra charge will rape bio like nothing. Game is ganna take some serious patches to balance out. Terran is already terrible right now in WoL. Damn you're right. Wait a second... who are you again? What is your rank? What tourneys have you won, or have you gotten GM/pro status with Terran? Wait.. probably no to any of the above right? Your comments are baseless, the most you've seen about HotS is the same as the rest of us, and you are whining like... you know what you are whining like. I'm glad that they are being incredibly fluid with their approach to HotS. I think with the inclusion of Kespa and BW pros really puts a fire under the asses of Blizzards balance team - i.e. My faith in the future of SC2 is growing. And 22 range on tempest is lol
You should take out a mirror, look at yourself and repeat what you just said into the mirror and shut up lol. What did you come to this thread for if not to read what people think of the units, beta, etc. Get a clue.
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somewhere in anaheim, fantasy must be praying to david kim for those widow mines...
also, tempest looks hella OP... range 22 is ridiculous...
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On June 10 2012 03:39 emc wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2012 03:36 Snowbear wrote:On June 10 2012 03:32 emc wrote:On June 10 2012 03:29 Esk23 wrote:
Anyone defending Terran thinking it's good from what you've seen in the HotS video need to get your heads checked, seriously. Mech will simply not work with Ultra charge and that Viper Abduct ability. Imagine Broodlord/infestor/mass queen how that's already unbeatable for Terran and combine that with Vipers lololol. Bio will be bad too, imagine how infestor/viper is ganna be, Ultra charge will rape bio like nothing. Game is ganna take some serious patches to balance out. Terran is already terrible right now in WoL. you still have ghosts to emp queens/vipers, you have vikings to counter anything but mutas, you still have ravens to use PDD and buy you time. Yea I think ultras will be strong, but if there is a will there is a way, giving up isn't an answer. Ghosts don't get to the infestors thx to the broodlings + thx to the small emp radius you can't emp them all, corruptors + fungal own vikings, ravens pdd blocks only corruptor shots. pdd blocks corrupters, gives your vikings more time to snipe BLs, which gives you more room to use your ghosts. If terran utilizes ALL their units just like you claim Zerg will ALWAYS utilize all of their units, then there will be quite a micro battle, sounds like fun to me. It's funny that every terran QQ keeps mentioning vipers/infestors/bls/ultras/queens, practically every strong unit we have and yet the terran doesn't think to use all their tools.
No: pdd blocks corruptors, you fly your vikings forward to shoot at the BLs, they get fungalled, PDD is dead, corruptors finnish it. You really don't play this game at all, I am 100% sure about this.
I invite you to watch + Show Spoiler +polt vs stephano @ MLG @ taldarim, to see ultralisks dominate, without their burrow trick 
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On June 10 2012 03:41 Snowbear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2012 03:39 emc wrote:On June 10 2012 03:36 Snowbear wrote:On June 10 2012 03:32 emc wrote:On June 10 2012 03:29 Esk23 wrote:
Anyone defending Terran thinking it's good from what you've seen in the HotS video need to get your heads checked, seriously. Mech will simply not work with Ultra charge and that Viper Abduct ability. Imagine Broodlord/infestor/mass queen how that's already unbeatable for Terran and combine that with Vipers lololol. Bio will be bad too, imagine how infestor/viper is ganna be, Ultra charge will rape bio like nothing. Game is ganna take some serious patches to balance out. Terran is already terrible right now in WoL. you still have ghosts to emp queens/vipers, you have vikings to counter anything but mutas, you still have ravens to use PDD and buy you time. Yea I think ultras will be strong, but if there is a will there is a way, giving up isn't an answer. Ghosts don't get to the infestors thx to the broodlings + thx to the small emp radius you can't emp them all, corruptors + fungal own vikings, ravens pdd blocks only corruptor shots. pdd blocks corrupters, gives your vikings more time to snipe BLs, which gives you more room to use your ghosts. If terran utilizes ALL their units just like you claim Zerg will ALWAYS utilize all of their units, then there will be quite a micro battle, sounds like fun to me. It's funny that every terran QQ keeps mentioning vipers/infestors/bls/ultras/queens, practically every strong unit we have and yet the terran doesn't think to use all their tools. No: pdd blocks corruptors, you fly your vikings forward to shoot at the BLs, they get fungalled, PDD is dead, corruptors finnish it. You really don't play this game at all, I am 100% sure about this.
yea I don't play HotS, I wish I could, but unfortunately it's not out yet :S
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The viper's "get over here" ability and the spider mines looked really interesting. I hope to see those used by good players soon.
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On June 10 2012 03:42 emc wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2012 03:41 Snowbear wrote:On June 10 2012 03:39 emc wrote:On June 10 2012 03:36 Snowbear wrote:On June 10 2012 03:32 emc wrote:On June 10 2012 03:29 Esk23 wrote:
Anyone defending Terran thinking it's good from what you've seen in the HotS video need to get your heads checked, seriously. Mech will simply not work with Ultra charge and that Viper Abduct ability. Imagine Broodlord/infestor/mass queen how that's already unbeatable for Terran and combine that with Vipers lololol. Bio will be bad too, imagine how infestor/viper is ganna be, Ultra charge will rape bio like nothing. Game is ganna take some serious patches to balance out. Terran is already terrible right now in WoL. you still have ghosts to emp queens/vipers, you have vikings to counter anything but mutas, you still have ravens to use PDD and buy you time. Yea I think ultras will be strong, but if there is a will there is a way, giving up isn't an answer. Ghosts don't get to the infestors thx to the broodlings + thx to the small emp radius you can't emp them all, corruptors + fungal own vikings, ravens pdd blocks only corruptor shots. pdd blocks corrupters, gives your vikings more time to snipe BLs, which gives you more room to use your ghosts. If terran utilizes ALL their units just like you claim Zerg will ALWAYS utilize all of their units, then there will be quite a micro battle, sounds like fun to me. It's funny that every terran QQ keeps mentioning vipers/infestors/bls/ultras/queens, practically every strong unit we have and yet the terran doesn't think to use all their tools. No: pdd blocks corruptors, you fly your vikings forward to shoot at the BLs, they get fungalled, PDD is dead, corruptors finnish it. You really don't play this game at all, I am 100% sure about this. yea I don't play HotS, I wish I could, but unfortunately it's not out yet :S
When zerg has enough corrupters PPD are basically worthless, they don't last long enough. You don't need HotS to know this if you play Terran in WoL.
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On June 10 2012 03:28 emc wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2012 03:23 Blasterion wrote:
Well time start to work on my protoss, you will be remembered as my favorite race,terran. oh come on man, I stuck with zerg through thick and thin in WoL, I expect you to do the same! no not really, you can go and take the easy route if you like, but I wouldn't give up quite yet though. I never expect blizzard to just leave balance alone as we've seen in WoL, they are willing to go to drastic measures to make things fair. I'm still not convinced they will leave zerg alone after the queen buff, they are going to nerf zerg eventually, they are just waiting so they can observe the changes and adjust.
The difference is Zerg has really been an incredibly strong race since the beginning. You haven't really ever gone through "the thick and thin", mainly just the thick. Patting yourself on the back for playing Zerg is like taking credit for something that was largely given to you.
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On June 10 2012 03:42 emc wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2012 03:41 Snowbear wrote:On June 10 2012 03:39 emc wrote:On June 10 2012 03:36 Snowbear wrote:On June 10 2012 03:32 emc wrote:On June 10 2012 03:29 Esk23 wrote:
Anyone defending Terran thinking it's good from what you've seen in the HotS video need to get your heads checked, seriously. Mech will simply not work with Ultra charge and that Viper Abduct ability. Imagine Broodlord/infestor/mass queen how that's already unbeatable for Terran and combine that with Vipers lololol. Bio will be bad too, imagine how infestor/viper is ganna be, Ultra charge will rape bio like nothing. Game is ganna take some serious patches to balance out. Terran is already terrible right now in WoL. you still have ghosts to emp queens/vipers, you have vikings to counter anything but mutas, you still have ravens to use PDD and buy you time. Yea I think ultras will be strong, but if there is a will there is a way, giving up isn't an answer. Ghosts don't get to the infestors thx to the broodlings + thx to the small emp radius you can't emp them all, corruptors + fungal own vikings, ravens pdd blocks only corruptor shots. pdd blocks corrupters, gives your vikings more time to snipe BLs, which gives you more room to use your ghosts. If terran utilizes ALL their units just like you claim Zerg will ALWAYS utilize all of their units, then there will be quite a micro battle, sounds like fun to me. It's funny that every terran QQ keeps mentioning vipers/infestors/bls/ultras/queens, practically every strong unit we have and yet the terran doesn't think to use all their tools. No: pdd blocks corruptors, you fly your vikings forward to shoot at the BLs, they get fungalled, PDD is dead, corruptors finnish it. You really don't play this game at all, I am 100% sure about this. yea I don't play HotS, I wish I could, but unfortunately it's not out yet :S
You are telling us how everything will be fine in HOTS, while the zerg gets more options to make his BL infestor composition stronger, and while terrans are ALREADY having huge troubles in WOL with this composition.
Let me explain it more simple:
- very cost efficiënt + more options = MORE cost efficiënt
I HOPE that blizzard changes alot about terran in HOTS, but if the game was released today, terrans would die.
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On June 10 2012 03:44 Esk23 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2012 03:42 emc wrote:On June 10 2012 03:41 Snowbear wrote:On June 10 2012 03:39 emc wrote:On June 10 2012 03:36 Snowbear wrote:On June 10 2012 03:32 emc wrote:On June 10 2012 03:29 Esk23 wrote:
Anyone defending Terran thinking it's good from what you've seen in the HotS video need to get your heads checked, seriously. Mech will simply not work with Ultra charge and that Viper Abduct ability. Imagine Broodlord/infestor/mass queen how that's already unbeatable for Terran and combine that with Vipers lololol. Bio will be bad too, imagine how infestor/viper is ganna be, Ultra charge will rape bio like nothing. Game is ganna take some serious patches to balance out. Terran is already terrible right now in WoL. you still have ghosts to emp queens/vipers, you have vikings to counter anything but mutas, you still have ravens to use PDD and buy you time. Yea I think ultras will be strong, but if there is a will there is a way, giving up isn't an answer. Ghosts don't get to the infestors thx to the broodlings + thx to the small emp radius you can't emp them all, corruptors + fungal own vikings, ravens pdd blocks only corruptor shots. pdd blocks corrupters, gives your vikings more time to snipe BLs, which gives you more room to use your ghosts. If terran utilizes ALL their units just like you claim Zerg will ALWAYS utilize all of their units, then there will be quite a micro battle, sounds like fun to me. It's funny that every terran QQ keeps mentioning vipers/infestors/bls/ultras/queens, practically every strong unit we have and yet the terran doesn't think to use all their tools. No: pdd blocks corruptors, you fly your vikings forward to shoot at the BLs, they get fungalled, PDD is dead, corruptors finnish it. You really don't play this game at all, I am 100% sure about this. yea I don't play HotS, I wish I could, but unfortunately it's not out yet :S When zerg has enough corrupters PPD are basically worthless, they don't last long enough. You don't need HotS to know this if you play Terran in WoL.
so all zergs will have corrupters, infestors, vipers, bls.. sounds like a lot of gas. Yea I know PDD isn't great in WoL but in HotS? It could be strong if the zerg spends too much on vipers instead or has too much supply tied up in other units. Thing is, I can't get specific on unit numbers and compositions because... it's not possible. All I can do is generalize and give ideas to terrans who think their race is UP. Until we get the beta and can test this shit, all we're doing is circle jerking.
yea let me go to the HotS beta unit tester and put in 20 corrupters, 10 BLs, 5 vipers and 5 infestors vs an equal costing terran army and I will get back to you... Or were the numbers you were thinking of different than mine? I don't fucking know, specific numbers isn't important at all right now, just ideas which I'm trying to give.
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On June 10 2012 03:41 Snowbear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2012 03:39 emc wrote:On June 10 2012 03:36 Snowbear wrote:On June 10 2012 03:32 emc wrote:On June 10 2012 03:29 Esk23 wrote:
Anyone defending Terran thinking it's good from what you've seen in the HotS video need to get your heads checked, seriously. Mech will simply not work with Ultra charge and that Viper Abduct ability. Imagine Broodlord/infestor/mass queen how that's already unbeatable for Terran and combine that with Vipers lololol. Bio will be bad too, imagine how infestor/viper is ganna be, Ultra charge will rape bio like nothing. Game is ganna take some serious patches to balance out. Terran is already terrible right now in WoL. you still have ghosts to emp queens/vipers, you have vikings to counter anything but mutas, you still have ravens to use PDD and buy you time. Yea I think ultras will be strong, but if there is a will there is a way, giving up isn't an answer. Ghosts don't get to the infestors thx to the broodlings + thx to the small emp radius you can't emp them all, corruptors + fungal own vikings, ravens pdd blocks only corruptor shots. pdd blocks corrupters, gives your vikings more time to snipe BLs, which gives you more room to use your ghosts. If terran utilizes ALL their units just like you claim Zerg will ALWAYS utilize all of their units, then there will be quite a micro battle, sounds like fun to me. It's funny that every terran QQ keeps mentioning vipers/infestors/bls/ultras/queens, practically every strong unit we have and yet the terran doesn't think to use all their tools. No: pdd blocks corruptors, you fly your vikings forward to shoot at the BLs, they get fungalled, PDD is dead, corruptors finnish it. You really don't play this game at all, I am 100% sure about this. I invite you to watch + Show Spoiler +polt vs stephano @ MLG @ taldarim, to see ultralisks dominate, without their burrow trick
Note also that Fungal outranges HSM so if you do attempt to use Ravens in late game TvZ, let's hope you don't get fungaled once or the game is as good as over. If Ravens are fungaled, they are not only unable to move, but also unable to cast spells. And if gas is lost, good luck with the rest of that game.
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On June 10 2012 03:43 Jinsho wrote:
The viper's "get over here" ability and the spider mines looked really interesting. I hope to see those used by good players soon.
I like the idea of the Viper, I just don't see how it can be balanced within the game. Will the Viper suffer the same fate as the reaper and be nerfed into oblivion?
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On June 10 2012 03:39 Wildmoon wrote:
Hey guys just calm the fuck down. This is not final. I am terran too. If Terran is ridiculuosly UP in HotS then Blizz will buff it but for now just wait and see.
Most Terran players aren't whining about balance. We are saying that with the new units each race is getting Zerg and Protoss both look like more exciting races. Terran looks like it's going to be forced to go basically pure mech in HoTS. Mech wasn't good in WoL and it doesn't look much better in HoTS.
It looks like Blizzard was like "oh crap mech sucks, lets give them this mine thats clearly op to compensate." It's just not compelling.
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On June 10 2012 03:39 Plansix wrote:TLO is a wise man. I am excited about all of these units and the idea they present. I find the race switchers amusing on so many levels.
TLO only appears to be wise because he has a beard. Joking aside, I love TLO but he knows no more about HOTS than any of us, so his opinion, although enjoyable, is not very helpful.
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On June 10 2012 03:46 Snowbear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2012 03:42 emc wrote:On June 10 2012 03:41 Snowbear wrote:On June 10 2012 03:39 emc wrote:On June 10 2012 03:36 Snowbear wrote:On June 10 2012 03:32 emc wrote:On June 10 2012 03:29 Esk23 wrote:
Anyone defending Terran thinking it's good from what you've seen in the HotS video need to get your heads checked, seriously. Mech will simply not work with Ultra charge and that Viper Abduct ability. Imagine Broodlord/infestor/mass queen how that's already unbeatable for Terran and combine that with Vipers lololol. Bio will be bad too, imagine how infestor/viper is ganna be, Ultra charge will rape bio like nothing. Game is ganna take some serious patches to balance out. Terran is already terrible right now in WoL. you still have ghosts to emp queens/vipers, you have vikings to counter anything but mutas, you still have ravens to use PDD and buy you time. Yea I think ultras will be strong, but if there is a will there is a way, giving up isn't an answer. Ghosts don't get to the infestors thx to the broodlings + thx to the small emp radius you can't emp them all, corruptors + fungal own vikings, ravens pdd blocks only corruptor shots. pdd blocks corrupters, gives your vikings more time to snipe BLs, which gives you more room to use your ghosts. If terran utilizes ALL their units just like you claim Zerg will ALWAYS utilize all of their units, then there will be quite a micro battle, sounds like fun to me. It's funny that every terran QQ keeps mentioning vipers/infestors/bls/ultras/queens, practically every strong unit we have and yet the terran doesn't think to use all their tools. No: pdd blocks corruptors, you fly your vikings forward to shoot at the BLs, they get fungalled, PDD is dead, corruptors finnish it. You really don't play this game at all, I am 100% sure about this. yea I don't play HotS, I wish I could, but unfortunately it's not out yet :S You are telling us how everything will be fine in HOTS, while the zerg gets more options to make his BL infestor composition stronger, and while terrans are ALREADY having huge troubles in WOL with this composition. Let me explain it more simple: - very cost efficiënt + more options = MORE cost efficiënt I HOPE that blizzard changes alot about terran in HOTS, but if the game was released today, terrans would die.
You realize how much gas is right? If you are worried about swarmhost/infestor/viper/bl/corruptor lol zerg will almost never get that composition. That's so much gas, 150 for an infestor, 200 for viper, 200 for swarm host and the 150 for bl. You act like zerg gets infinite gas when zerg is always gas starved lol.
People need to wait until hots till they say terran is underpowered like jesus...
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