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On June 10 2012 03:59 Solo Terran wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2012 03:54 Wildmoon wrote:On June 10 2012 03:50 Solo Terran wrote:On June 10 2012 03:39 Wildmoon wrote:
Hey guys just calm the fuck down. This is not final. I am terran too. If Terran is ridiculuosly UP in HotS then Blizz will buff it but for now just wait and see. Most Terran players aren't whining about balance. We are saying that with the new units each race is getting Zerg and Protoss both look like more exciting races. Terran looks like it's going to be forced to go basically pure mech in HoTS. Mech wasn't good in WoL and it doesn't look much better in HoTS. It looks like Blizzard was like "oh crap mech sucks, lets give them this mine thats clearly op to compensate." It's just not compelling. We don't even know how it will turn out in the end. What you think is not interesting may turn out the be the interesting thing. I think people just complain too much without enough information. I know but just thinking about things like warp prisms warping shit in your expansions killing your bases/ production, waiting for your slow mech army to walk over and then have them recall everything back home just does not sound fun. I know recall might get taken out blah blah but none of the units in HoTS Terran is getting have any answers,
God that sounds awful. I hadn't even thought about mass warp ins and recalls. I guess I will have to empathize with those who decide to stay with Terran in HotS.
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On June 10 2012 03:59 zmansman17 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2012 03:52 s3rp wrote:
One quick question battle helions don't have bonus damage to light but improved damage overall right ? Which mean a runbys with helions changing into battle form could actually do something other than killining workers ? I mean they killing worker stuff rarely works later on so that might give Helions more potential later on. Yeah. As far as I can tell, it seems Blizzard is trying to mold Terran into an aggressive early-game, hit-and-run race. They don't help us with late game, which is what we have wanted for so long. (Improved Raven, BC, viability of mech). But instead they give reaper regen and speed w/o factory and the potential for hellion runbys into potential attacks. Even with these changes, I foresee that Terran will be weak and gimmicky. Who wants to play a race like that, which relies on chance and guerrilla tactics? I didn't sign up for Terran to play like this. I signed up for the precise nature of Terran. Au revioir old Terran. You were the best race. I will miss you when I play Protoss in HotS. Haha yeah it seems like Blizzard was like "We know how much you Terrans love not having a late game army and cheesing your way to victory. So we decided to give you more cheesing options in HoTS".
Like thats not what we want to hear. Terran players want to hear that we have a decent late game to fall back on so we can play macro games.
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On June 10 2012 04:00 zmansman17 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2012 03:59 Solo Terran wrote:On June 10 2012 03:54 Wildmoon wrote:On June 10 2012 03:50 Solo Terran wrote:On June 10 2012 03:39 Wildmoon wrote:
Hey guys just calm the fuck down. This is not final. I am terran too. If Terran is ridiculuosly UP in HotS then Blizz will buff it but for now just wait and see. Most Terran players aren't whining about balance. We are saying that with the new units each race is getting Zerg and Protoss both look like more exciting races. Terran looks like it's going to be forced to go basically pure mech in HoTS. Mech wasn't good in WoL and it doesn't look much better in HoTS. It looks like Blizzard was like "oh crap mech sucks, lets give them this mine thats clearly op to compensate." It's just not compelling. We don't even know how it will turn out in the end. What you think is not interesting may turn out the be the interesting thing. I think people just complain too much without enough information. I know but just thinking about things like warp prisms warping shit in your expansions killing your bases/ production, waiting for your slow mech army to walk over and then have them recall everything back home just does not sound fun. I know recall might get taken out blah blah but none of the units in HoTS Terran is getting have any answers, God that sounds awful. I hadn't even thought about mass warp ins and recalls. I guess I will have to empathize with those who decide to stay with Terran in HotS.
Why would anyone want to play Terran RIGHT NOW in WoL. TvZ, TvP is horrible for the Terran atm lol.
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On June 10 2012 03:57 Amlitzer wrote:
What I'm really disappointed in is the fact that the raven has received absolutely zero attention from blizzard. PDD is nice of course, but the other abilities seriously need some work or to be scraped all together. Just compare the Raven to the new viper and you see how much it sucks in comparison.
I'm also really disappointed that they took out reaper speed and made the new "combat drugs" an upgrade. This just makes the reaper even more useless than before. Blizzard clearly has no idea what they are thinking when it comes to the reaper and are just experimenting with random ideas to keep it in the game.
They don't know what to do with the reaper. While I like the reaper and actually heavily used it before the patch in TvZ. Now I can't see any good use of the reaper.
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On June 10 2012 03:59 Solo Terran wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2012 03:54 Wildmoon wrote:On June 10 2012 03:50 Solo Terran wrote:On June 10 2012 03:39 Wildmoon wrote:
Hey guys just calm the fuck down. This is not final. I am terran too. If Terran is ridiculuosly UP in HotS then Blizz will buff it but for now just wait and see. Most Terran players aren't whining about balance. We are saying that with the new units each race is getting Zerg and Protoss both look like more exciting races. Terran looks like it's going to be forced to go basically pure mech in HoTS. Mech wasn't good in WoL and it doesn't look much better in HoTS. It looks like Blizzard was like "oh crap mech sucks, lets give them this mine thats clearly op to compensate." It's just not compelling. We don't even know how it will turn out in the end. What you think is not interesting may turn out the be the interesting thing. I think people just complain too much without enough information. I know but just thinking about things like warp prisms warping shit in your expansions killing your bases/ production, waiting for your slow mech army to walk over and then have them recall everything back home just does not sound fun. I know recall might get taken out blah blah but none of the units in HoTS Terran is getting any answers.
Leave a mine or two at the logical paths warp prisms are going to come through. If you get a mine on a warp prism, he may not be able to get even a single round of warp in because it takes time to go phase mode and it takes 8 seconds for units to warp in.
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On June 10 2012 04:02 Esk23 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2012 04:00 zmansman17 wrote:On June 10 2012 03:59 Solo Terran wrote:On June 10 2012 03:54 Wildmoon wrote:On June 10 2012 03:50 Solo Terran wrote:On June 10 2012 03:39 Wildmoon wrote:
Hey guys just calm the fuck down. This is not final. I am terran too. If Terran is ridiculuosly UP in HotS then Blizz will buff it but for now just wait and see. Most Terran players aren't whining about balance. We are saying that with the new units each race is getting Zerg and Protoss both look like more exciting races. Terran looks like it's going to be forced to go basically pure mech in HoTS. Mech wasn't good in WoL and it doesn't look much better in HoTS. It looks like Blizzard was like "oh crap mech sucks, lets give them this mine thats clearly op to compensate." It's just not compelling. We don't even know how it will turn out in the end. What you think is not interesting may turn out the be the interesting thing. I think people just complain too much without enough information. I know but just thinking about things like warp prisms warping shit in your expansions killing your bases/ production, waiting for your slow mech army to walk over and then have them recall everything back home just does not sound fun. I know recall might get taken out blah blah but none of the units in HoTS Terran is getting have any answers, God that sounds awful. I hadn't even thought about mass warp ins and recalls. I guess I will have to empathize with those who decide to stay with Terran in HotS. Why would anyone want to play Terran RIGHT NOW in WoL. TvZ, TvP is horrible for the Terran atm lol.
exactly, every player gets the option of playing each race. those people stupid enough to play terran have to suffer the consequences. i know because i was smart enough to switch from terran to zerg after the blue flame nerf.
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On June 10 2012 03:58 emc wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2012 03:56 Esk23 wrote:On June 10 2012 03:46 emc wrote:On June 10 2012 03:44 Esk23 wrote:On June 10 2012 03:42 emc wrote:On June 10 2012 03:41 Snowbear wrote:On June 10 2012 03:39 emc wrote:On June 10 2012 03:36 Snowbear wrote:On June 10 2012 03:32 emc wrote:On June 10 2012 03:29 Esk23 wrote:
Anyone defending Terran thinking it's good from what you've seen in the HotS video need to get your heads checked, seriously. Mech will simply not work with Ultra charge and that Viper Abduct ability. Imagine Broodlord/infestor/mass queen how that's already unbeatable for Terran and combine that with Vipers lololol. Bio will be bad too, imagine how infestor/viper is ganna be, Ultra charge will rape bio like nothing. Game is ganna take some serious patches to balance out. Terran is already terrible right now in WoL. you still have ghosts to emp queens/vipers, you have vikings to counter anything but mutas, you still have ravens to use PDD and buy you time. Yea I think ultras will be strong, but if there is a will there is a way, giving up isn't an answer. Ghosts don't get to the infestors thx to the broodlings + thx to the small emp radius you can't emp them all, corruptors + fungal own vikings, ravens pdd blocks only corruptor shots. pdd blocks corrupters, gives your vikings more time to snipe BLs, which gives you more room to use your ghosts. If terran utilizes ALL their units just like you claim Zerg will ALWAYS utilize all of their units, then there will be quite a micro battle, sounds like fun to me. It's funny that every terran QQ keeps mentioning vipers/infestors/bls/ultras/queens, practically every strong unit we have and yet the terran doesn't think to use all their tools. No: pdd blocks corruptors, you fly your vikings forward to shoot at the BLs, they get fungalled, PDD is dead, corruptors finnish it. You really don't play this game at all, I am 100% sure about this. yea I don't play HotS, I wish I could, but unfortunately it's not out yet :S When zerg has enough corrupters PPD are basically worthless, they don't last long enough. You don't need HotS to know this if you play Terran in WoL. so all zergs will have corrupters, infestors, vipers, bls.. sounds like a lot of gas. Yea I know PDD isn't great in WoL but in HotS? It could be strong if the zerg spends too much on vipers instead or has too much supply tied up in other units. Thing is, I can't get specific on unit numbers and compositions because... it's not possible. All I can do is generalize and give ideas to terrans who think their race is UP. Until we get the beta and can test this shit, all we're doing is circle jerking. yea let me go to the HotS beta unit tester and put in 20 corrupters, 10 BLs, 5 vipers and 5 infestors vs an equal costing terran army and I will get back to you... Or were the numbers you were thinking of different than mine? I don't fucking know, specific numbers isn't important at all right now, just ideas which I'm trying to give. Just rofl. I really don't think you watch or play much SC2. Zerg can get to the late game and get the army comp they want almost every game now, or most games. It's not that hard. Zerg macro is easy and very powerful, Zerg will always out resource/out macro Terran it's in their design. You arguing cost vs cost doesn't make any sense. There is no army combination Terran can get that beats Broodlord/corrupter/queen/infestor. Ravens would be an answer but fungle out ranges HSM which is the main problem. Ghosts aren't effective enough, EMP radius is too small and queen/infestor hit box is big. Broodlord range helps keep ghosts from EMPing effectively as well. then I guess every pro will just give up in TvZ or all-in then? If blizzard thinks it's a problem they will fix it, I have faith. Can they really get an army composition like that for free? you act as if zergs that get to that comp have no skill and it's easy to do.
By precedence they will just Nerf the all in and leave the terran to innovate again then Nerf that also.
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On June 10 2012 04:02 Esk23 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2012 04:00 zmansman17 wrote:On June 10 2012 03:59 Solo Terran wrote:On June 10 2012 03:54 Wildmoon wrote:On June 10 2012 03:50 Solo Terran wrote:On June 10 2012 03:39 Wildmoon wrote:
Hey guys just calm the fuck down. This is not final. I am terran too. If Terran is ridiculuosly UP in HotS then Blizz will buff it but for now just wait and see. Most Terran players aren't whining about balance. We are saying that with the new units each race is getting Zerg and Protoss both look like more exciting races. Terran looks like it's going to be forced to go basically pure mech in HoTS. Mech wasn't good in WoL and it doesn't look much better in HoTS. It looks like Blizzard was like "oh crap mech sucks, lets give them this mine thats clearly op to compensate." It's just not compelling. We don't even know how it will turn out in the end. What you think is not interesting may turn out the be the interesting thing. I think people just complain too much without enough information. I know but just thinking about things like warp prisms warping shit in your expansions killing your bases/ production, waiting for your slow mech army to walk over and then have them recall everything back home just does not sound fun. I know recall might get taken out blah blah but none of the units in HoTS Terran is getting have any answers, God that sounds awful. I hadn't even thought about mass warp ins and recalls. I guess I will have to empathize with those who decide to stay with Terran in HotS. Why would anyone want to play Terran RIGHT NOW in WoL. TvZ, TvP is horrible for the Terran atm lol.
Haha don't know man. Which is why I will be switching to Protoss. I've been so stubborn to stay with Terran for these last 5 seasons. You know a fun experiment is to see how the % of Terrans in GM and master league decreased each season, especially when you line that number up to the timing of patches.
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On June 10 2012 04:02 Esk23 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2012 04:00 zmansman17 wrote:On June 10 2012 03:59 Solo Terran wrote:On June 10 2012 03:54 Wildmoon wrote:On June 10 2012 03:50 Solo Terran wrote:On June 10 2012 03:39 Wildmoon wrote:
Hey guys just calm the fuck down. This is not final. I am terran too. If Terran is ridiculuosly UP in HotS then Blizz will buff it but for now just wait and see. Most Terran players aren't whining about balance. We are saying that with the new units each race is getting Zerg and Protoss both look like more exciting races. Terran looks like it's going to be forced to go basically pure mech in HoTS. Mech wasn't good in WoL and it doesn't look much better in HoTS. It looks like Blizzard was like "oh crap mech sucks, lets give them this mine thats clearly op to compensate." It's just not compelling. We don't even know how it will turn out in the end. What you think is not interesting may turn out the be the interesting thing. I think people just complain too much without enough information. I know but just thinking about things like warp prisms warping shit in your expansions killing your bases/ production, waiting for your slow mech army to walk over and then have them recall everything back home just does not sound fun. I know recall might get taken out blah blah but none of the units in HoTS Terran is getting have any answers, God that sounds awful. I hadn't even thought about mass warp ins and recalls. I guess I will have to empathize with those who decide to stay with Terran in HotS. Why would anyone want to play Terran RIGHT NOW in WoL. TvZ, TvP is horrible for the Terran atm lol.
It's ok I am a masochist.
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Guys, tempest may have low dps but it has absurdly long range. It can and will be used for many things. Not bad unit at all.
Its not even low dps, its more than roach base dps
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On June 10 2012 04:05 Blasterion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2012 03:58 emc wrote:On June 10 2012 03:56 Esk23 wrote:On June 10 2012 03:46 emc wrote:On June 10 2012 03:44 Esk23 wrote:On June 10 2012 03:42 emc wrote:On June 10 2012 03:41 Snowbear wrote:On June 10 2012 03:39 emc wrote:On June 10 2012 03:36 Snowbear wrote:On June 10 2012 03:32 emc wrote:
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you still have ghosts to emp queens/vipers, you have vikings to counter anything but mutas, you still have ravens to use PDD and buy you time. Yea I think ultras will be strong, but if there is a will there is a way, giving up isn't an answer. Ghosts don't get to the infestors thx to the broodlings + thx to the small emp radius you can't emp them all, corruptors + fungal own vikings, ravens pdd blocks only corruptor shots. pdd blocks corrupters, gives your vikings more time to snipe BLs, which gives you more room to use your ghosts. If terran utilizes ALL their units just like you claim Zerg will ALWAYS utilize all of their units, then there will be quite a micro battle, sounds like fun to me. It's funny that every terran QQ keeps mentioning vipers/infestors/bls/ultras/queens, practically every strong unit we have and yet the terran doesn't think to use all their tools. No: pdd blocks corruptors, you fly your vikings forward to shoot at the BLs, they get fungalled, PDD is dead, corruptors finnish it. You really don't play this game at all, I am 100% sure about this. yea I don't play HotS, I wish I could, but unfortunately it's not out yet :S When zerg has enough corrupters PPD are basically worthless, they don't last long enough. You don't need HotS to know this if you play Terran in WoL. so all zergs will have corrupters, infestors, vipers, bls.. sounds like a lot of gas. Yea I know PDD isn't great in WoL but in HotS? It could be strong if the zerg spends too much on vipers instead or has too much supply tied up in other units. Thing is, I can't get specific on unit numbers and compositions because... it's not possible. All I can do is generalize and give ideas to terrans who think their race is UP. Until we get the beta and can test this shit, all we're doing is circle jerking. yea let me go to the HotS beta unit tester and put in 20 corrupters, 10 BLs, 5 vipers and 5 infestors vs an equal costing terran army and I will get back to you... Or were the numbers you were thinking of different than mine? I don't fucking know, specific numbers isn't important at all right now, just ideas which I'm trying to give. Just rofl. I really don't think you watch or play much SC2. Zerg can get to the late game and get the army comp they want almost every game now, or most games. It's not that hard. Zerg macro is easy and very powerful, Zerg will always out resource/out macro Terran it's in their design. You arguing cost vs cost doesn't make any sense. There is no army combination Terran can get that beats Broodlord/corrupter/queen/infestor. Ravens would be an answer but fungle out ranges HSM which is the main problem. Ghosts aren't effective enough, EMP radius is too small and queen/infestor hit box is big. Broodlord range helps keep ghosts from EMPing effectively as well. then I guess every pro will just give up in TvZ or all-in then? If blizzard thinks it's a problem they will fix it, I have faith. Can they really get an army composition like that for free? you act as if zergs that get to that comp have no skill and it's easy to do. By precedence they will just Nerf the all in and leave the terran to innovate again then Nerf that also.
And then when Terrans brain storm about potential new in-game options, Blizzard will nerf them and take them off the table. I bet when Terrans try to play football, they nerf that too.
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HNGGGGGGGGGGGGGG I wish I was at MLG, the fucking Tempest is ridiculous
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don't panic guys, there is still LOTV
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On June 10 2012 04:04 Kaw wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2012 03:59 Solo Terran wrote:On June 10 2012 03:54 Wildmoon wrote:On June 10 2012 03:50 Solo Terran wrote:On June 10 2012 03:39 Wildmoon wrote:
Hey guys just calm the fuck down. This is not final. I am terran too. If Terran is ridiculuosly UP in HotS then Blizz will buff it but for now just wait and see. Most Terran players aren't whining about balance. We are saying that with the new units each race is getting Zerg and Protoss both look like more exciting races. Terran looks like it's going to be forced to go basically pure mech in HoTS. Mech wasn't good in WoL and it doesn't look much better in HoTS. It looks like Blizzard was like "oh crap mech sucks, lets give them this mine thats clearly op to compensate." It's just not compelling. We don't even know how it will turn out in the end. What you think is not interesting may turn out the be the interesting thing. I think people just complain too much without enough information. I know but just thinking about things like warp prisms warping shit in your expansions killing your bases/ production, waiting for your slow mech army to walk over and then have them recall everything back home just does not sound fun. I know recall might get taken out blah blah but none of the units in HoTS Terran is getting any answers. Leave a mine or two at the logical paths warp prisms are going to come through. If you get a mine on a warp prism, he may not be able to get even a single round of warp in because it takes time to go phase mode and it takes 8 seconds for units to warp in.
I actually see the widow mines being much more useful in TvP than in TvZ, since Protoss' units on the whole tend to be more costly, so there are fewer trades that benefit them. Granted, they will rely on eliminating the mines entirely with detection and sustaining no losses, it will be hard even for Protoss to have detection everywhere. But perhaps I am thinking that this will be harder than it actually is.
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On June 10 2012 04:09 Garmer wrote:
don't panic guys, there is still LOTV
By then Terran might have some good Tier 2. Here's to hoping!
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On June 10 2012 04:07 zmansman17 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2012 04:05 Blasterion wrote:On June 10 2012 03:58 emc wrote:On June 10 2012 03:56 Esk23 wrote:On June 10 2012 03:46 emc wrote:On June 10 2012 03:44 Esk23 wrote:On June 10 2012 03:42 emc wrote:On June 10 2012 03:41 Snowbear wrote:On June 10 2012 03:39 emc wrote:On June 10 2012 03:36 Snowbear wrote:
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Ghosts don't get to the infestors thx to the broodlings + thx to the small emp radius you can't emp them all, corruptors + fungal own vikings, ravens pdd blocks only corruptor shots.
pdd blocks corrupters, gives your vikings more time to snipe BLs, which gives you more room to use your ghosts. If terran utilizes ALL their units just like you claim Zerg will ALWAYS utilize all of their units, then there will be quite a micro battle, sounds like fun to me. It's funny that every terran QQ keeps mentioning vipers/infestors/bls/ultras/queens, practically every strong unit we have and yet the terran doesn't think to use all their tools. No: pdd blocks corruptors, you fly your vikings forward to shoot at the BLs, they get fungalled, PDD is dead, corruptors finnish it. You really don't play this game at all, I am 100% sure about this. yea I don't play HotS, I wish I could, but unfortunately it's not out yet :S When zerg has enough corrupters PPD are basically worthless, they don't last long enough. You don't need HotS to know this if you play Terran in WoL. so all zergs will have corrupters, infestors, vipers, bls.. sounds like a lot of gas. Yea I know PDD isn't great in WoL but in HotS? It could be strong if the zerg spends too much on vipers instead or has too much supply tied up in other units. Thing is, I can't get specific on unit numbers and compositions because... it's not possible. All I can do is generalize and give ideas to terrans who think their race is UP. Until we get the beta and can test this shit, all we're doing is circle jerking. yea let me go to the HotS beta unit tester and put in 20 corrupters, 10 BLs, 5 vipers and 5 infestors vs an equal costing terran army and I will get back to you... Or were the numbers you were thinking of different than mine? I don't fucking know, specific numbers isn't important at all right now, just ideas which I'm trying to give. Just rofl. I really don't think you watch or play much SC2. Zerg can get to the late game and get the army comp they want almost every game now, or most games. It's not that hard. Zerg macro is easy and very powerful, Zerg will always out resource/out macro Terran it's in their design. You arguing cost vs cost doesn't make any sense. There is no army combination Terran can get that beats Broodlord/corrupter/queen/infestor. Ravens would be an answer but fungle out ranges HSM which is the main problem. Ghosts aren't effective enough, EMP radius is too small and queen/infestor hit box is big. Broodlord range helps keep ghosts from EMPing effectively as well. then I guess every pro will just give up in TvZ or all-in then? If blizzard thinks it's a problem they will fix it, I have faith. Can they really get an army composition like that for free? you act as if zergs that get to that comp have no skill and it's easy to do. By precedence they will just Nerf the right, only trueall in and leave the terran to innovate again then Nerf that also. And then when Terrans brain storm about potential new in-game options, Blizzard will nerf them and take them off the table. I bet when Terrans try to play football, they nerf that too.
That's right only true hardcore masochists like myself are fit to play T
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On June 10 2012 03:40 Esk23 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2012 03:37 SwizzY wrote:On June 10 2012 03:29 Esk23 wrote:
Anyone defending Terran thinking it's good from what you've seen in the HotS video need to get your heads checked, seriously. Mech will simply not work with Ultra charge and that Viper Abduct ability. Imagine Broodlord/infestor/mass queen how that's already unbeatable for Terran and combine that with Vipers lololol. Bio will be bad too, imagine how infestor/viper is ganna be, Ultra charge will rape bio like nothing. Game is ganna take some serious patches to balance out. Terran is already terrible right now in WoL. Damn you're right. Wait a second... who are you again? What is your rank? What tourneys have you won, or have you gotten GM/pro status with Terran? Wait.. probably no to any of the above right? Your comments are baseless, the most you've seen about HotS is the same as the rest of us, and you are whining like... you know what you are whining like. I'm glad that they are being incredibly fluid with their approach to HotS. I think with the inclusion of Kespa and BW pros really puts a fire under the asses of Blizzards balance team - i.e. My faith in the future of SC2 is growing. And 22 range on tempest is lol You should take out a mirror, look at yourself and repeat what you just said into the mirror and shut up lol. What did you come to this thread for if not to read what people think of the units, beta, etc. Get a clue.
Ok, I'll tell you straight up. You are being a whiny bitch. It's not an attack on you. It's simply what you are. You came in with your whine a blazing, and trust me when I say that noone is taking you seriously. Mr. Bitter said it well when he said that everything being added looks ridiculously OP. But that's a good thing. It's good to be overwhelmed.
I don't have to look in the mirror as I'm being reasonable with my bias. You are being a toxic, loud, entirely useless member of the SC2 community.
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Don't be surprised if Flash switches to Protoss hehe.
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Here is my problem with the new terran in HOTS:
note, i will keep in mind that these units will change but i have issues more "conceptually" with these units than explicit concerns about imbalance.
1. Pride. This is why i main the terran race. Pride. It feels fucking great to split vs a fungal. It feels fucking great to sim in two marauder and a marine to snipe a full energy infestor that got over eager. When will i be proud of using the battle hellion? Ah man! You really amoved that unit correctly! There is no micro potential, it is too slow, and currently has no synergy with terran race (quick pace, bionic, multiple engagements with small but potent units).
2. More smartfire and concerns over the siege tank. Warhound is a bad idea fundamentally - here is why. If you make something that auto targets the units they're best against, they will discourage certain brands of play. at the moment TvT is the best, most dynamic and skilled matchup in this game (in my opinion ofc). There is a REAL defenders advantage given by marine dps and tanks. Even if you have a unit advanage, you must think. Warhounds and battle hellions are going to make careful, methodical engagements nonexistent in TvT and it will simply be a battle of who has more shit. That is BAD design and TvT in its current form is fucking glorious. GLORIOUS. No defenders advantage? == no safety to drop. no safety to drop == no multitasking. Just one more matchup turning into who can make workers better and amove.
3. Viability of siege tank. Now that all races have siege tanks (and if you're P/Z, they're flying) what is my incentive to make these anymore? 13 range + friendly fire is VERY BAD compared to the other siege units, but ironically terran cannot survive vs baneling/ling compositions or something similar without them. You can split all you want, but they're necessary. Does anyone feel that siege tanks could use some love? i think coach park said it best, "any last words coach park?" " BUFF SIEGE TANKS "
 terran fighting
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On June 10 2012 04:10 Blasterion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2012 04:07 zmansman17 wrote:On June 10 2012 04:05 Blasterion wrote:On June 10 2012 03:58 emc wrote:On June 10 2012 03:56 Esk23 wrote:On June 10 2012 03:46 emc wrote:On June 10 2012 03:44 Esk23 wrote:On June 10 2012 03:42 emc wrote:On June 10 2012 03:41 Snowbear wrote:On June 10 2012 03:39 emc wrote:
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pdd blocks corrupters, gives your vikings more time to snipe BLs, which gives you more room to use your ghosts. If terran utilizes ALL their units just like you claim Zerg will ALWAYS utilize all of their units, then there will be quite a micro battle, sounds like fun to me. It's funny that every terran QQ keeps mentioning vipers/infestors/bls/ultras/queens, practically every strong unit we have and yet the terran doesn't think to use all their tools. No: pdd blocks corruptors, you fly your vikings forward to shoot at the BLs, they get fungalled, PDD is dead, corruptors finnish it. You really don't play this game at all, I am 100% sure about this. yea I don't play HotS, I wish I could, but unfortunately it's not out yet :S When zerg has enough corrupters PPD are basically worthless, they don't last long enough. You don't need HotS to know this if you play Terran in WoL. so all zergs will have corrupters, infestors, vipers, bls.. sounds like a lot of gas. Yea I know PDD isn't great in WoL but in HotS? It could be strong if the zerg spends too much on vipers instead or has too much supply tied up in other units. Thing is, I can't get specific on unit numbers and compositions because... it's not possible. All I can do is generalize and give ideas to terrans who think their race is UP. Until we get the beta and can test this shit, all we're doing is circle jerking. yea let me go to the HotS beta unit tester and put in 20 corrupters, 10 BLs, 5 vipers and 5 infestors vs an equal costing terran army and I will get back to you... Or were the numbers you were thinking of different than mine? I don't fucking know, specific numbers isn't important at all right now, just ideas which I'm trying to give. Just rofl. I really don't think you watch or play much SC2. Zerg can get to the late game and get the army comp they want almost every game now, or most games. It's not that hard. Zerg macro is easy and very powerful, Zerg will always out resource/out macro Terran it's in their design. You arguing cost vs cost doesn't make any sense. There is no army combination Terran can get that beats Broodlord/corrupter/queen/infestor. Ravens would be an answer but fungle out ranges HSM which is the main problem. Ghosts aren't effective enough, EMP radius is too small and queen/infestor hit box is big. Broodlord range helps keep ghosts from EMPing effectively as well. then I guess every pro will just give up in TvZ or all-in then? If blizzard thinks it's a problem they will fix it, I have faith. Can they really get an army composition like that for free? you act as if zergs that get to that comp have no skill and it's easy to do. By precedence they will just Nerf the right, only trueall in and leave the terran to innovate again then Nerf that also. And then when Terrans brain storm about potential new in-game options, Blizzard will nerf them and take them off the table. I bet when Terrans try to play football, they nerf that too. That's right only true hardcore masochists like myself are fit to play T
The question is: How many true hardcore masochists will there be in HotS? I wonder if the current "problems" Protosses and Zergs are experiencing whereupon they cannot find a Terran on ladder will be amplified x-fold in HotS
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