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On June 10 2012 04:26 Esk23 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2012 04:20 SwizzY wrote:On June 10 2012 04:15 Esk23 wrote:On June 10 2012 04:12 SwizzY wrote:On June 10 2012 03:40 Esk23 wrote:On June 10 2012 03:37 SwizzY wrote:On June 10 2012 03:29 Esk23 wrote:
Anyone defending Terran thinking it's good from what you've seen in the HotS video need to get your heads checked, seriously. Mech will simply not work with Ultra charge and that Viper Abduct ability. Imagine Broodlord/infestor/mass queen how that's already unbeatable for Terran and combine that with Vipers lololol. Bio will be bad too, imagine how infestor/viper is ganna be, Ultra charge will rape bio like nothing. Game is ganna take some serious patches to balance out. Terran is already terrible right now in WoL. Damn you're right. Wait a second... who are you again? What is your rank? What tourneys have you won, or have you gotten GM/pro status with Terran? Wait.. probably no to any of the above right? Your comments are baseless, the most you've seen about HotS is the same as the rest of us, and you are whining like... you know what you are whining like. I'm glad that they are being incredibly fluid with their approach to HotS. I think with the inclusion of Kespa and BW pros really puts a fire under the asses of Blizzards balance team - i.e. My faith in the future of SC2 is growing. And 22 range on tempest is lol You should take out a mirror, look at yourself and repeat what you just said into the mirror and shut up lol. What did you come to this thread for if not to read what people think of the units, beta, etc. Get a clue. Ok, I'll tell you straight up. You are being a whiny bitch. It's not an attack on you. It's simply what you are. You came in with your whine a blazing, and trust me when I say that noone is taking you seriously. Mr. Bitter said it well when he said that everything being added looks ridiculously OP. But that's a good thing. It's good to be overwhelmed. I don't have to look in the mirror as I'm being reasonable with my bias. You are being a toxic, loud, entirely useless member of the SC2 community. Oooo yeah you're telling me straight up on an online forum. What a real tough guy you are. Again, take out a mirror, look at yourself and repeat what you said. What you saying to others can easily be said about you. Hypocritical moron. You could not have described yourself better than anyone else could, good job there buddy. Lmao. Again, of course you're going to have people talking about balance in HotS and get people's opinion on the new units, etc. You make yourself look like a complete dumbfck coming here rofl. Good laughs. You are hopeless. You didn't read anything I said and simply defend yourself through the veil of the internet by saying "I have an opinion that I'm entitled to." Nothing I said to you can be applied to me, other than maybe I'm giving an idiot of the internet more attention than they deserve. Read this: Take a step back from your high horse, realize that you are indeed being a whiny bitch, and just stop. Balance talk is acceptable. You are balance whining. For the love of god realize the difference. Rofl, shoo fly, shoo. You're not convincing me your worth taking seriously, sorry little guy. You sound more whiny than a little 5yo girl. What a comical hypocrite you are lmao. I'm literally killing you with my posts, do yourself a favor and just don't read them.
dude just stop, not trying to butt in to conversations but i had to since your insults are pathetic. btw swizzy is right, you are a whiny bitch.
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On June 10 2012 04:29 CandyHunterz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2012 04:26 Esk23 wrote:On June 10 2012 04:20 SwizzY wrote:On June 10 2012 04:15 Esk23 wrote:On June 10 2012 04:12 SwizzY wrote:On June 10 2012 03:40 Esk23 wrote:On June 10 2012 03:37 SwizzY wrote:On June 10 2012 03:29 Esk23 wrote:
Anyone defending Terran thinking it's good from what you've seen in the HotS video need to get your heads checked, seriously. Mech will simply not work with Ultra charge and that Viper Abduct ability. Imagine Broodlord/infestor/mass queen how that's already unbeatable for Terran and combine that with Vipers lololol. Bio will be bad too, imagine how infestor/viper is ganna be, Ultra charge will rape bio like nothing. Game is ganna take some serious patches to balance out. Terran is already terrible right now in WoL. Damn you're right. Wait a second... who are you again? What is your rank? What tourneys have you won, or have you gotten GM/pro status with Terran? Wait.. probably no to any of the above right? Your comments are baseless, the most you've seen about HotS is the same as the rest of us, and you are whining like... you know what you are whining like. I'm glad that they are being incredibly fluid with their approach to HotS. I think with the inclusion of Kespa and BW pros really puts a fire under the asses of Blizzards balance team - i.e. My faith in the future of SC2 is growing. And 22 range on tempest is lol You should take out a mirror, look at yourself and repeat what you just said into the mirror and shut up lol. What did you come to this thread for if not to read what people think of the units, beta, etc. Get a clue. Ok, I'll tell you straight up. You are being a whiny bitch. It's not an attack on you. It's simply what you are. You came in with your whine a blazing, and trust me when I say that noone is taking you seriously. Mr. Bitter said it well when he said that everything being added looks ridiculously OP. But that's a good thing. It's good to be overwhelmed. I don't have to look in the mirror as I'm being reasonable with my bias. You are being a toxic, loud, entirely useless member of the SC2 community. Oooo yeah you're telling me straight up on an online forum. What a real tough guy you are. Again, take out a mirror, look at yourself and repeat what you said. What you saying to others can easily be said about you. Hypocritical moron. You could not have described yourself better than anyone else could, good job there buddy. Lmao. Again, of course you're going to have people talking about balance in HotS and get people's opinion on the new units, etc. You make yourself look like a complete dumbfck coming here rofl. Good laughs. You are hopeless. You didn't read anything I said and simply defend yourself through the veil of the internet by saying "I have an opinion that I'm entitled to." Nothing I said to you can be applied to me, other than maybe I'm giving an idiot of the internet more attention than they deserve. Read this: https://twitter.com/LiquidTLO/status/211285541734453249Take a step back from your high horse, realize that you are indeed being a whiny bitch, and just stop. Balance talk is acceptable. You are balance whining. For the love of god realize the difference. Rofl, shoo fly, shoo. You're not convincing me your worth taking seriously, sorry little guy. You sound more whiny than a little 5yo girl. What a comical hypocrite you are lmao. I'm literally killing you with my posts, do yourself a favor and just don't read them. dude just stop, not trying to butt in to conversations but i had to since your insults are pathetic. btw swizzy is right, you are a whiny bitch.
You're too cute. How many other accounts do you have? =]
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On June 10 2012 04:22 stipe145 wrote:
It seems that both Protoss and Zerg got some incredible things that fix most of the big problems. Zerg has lots more power to dominate on the map and finish the opponent off when ahead. Protoss has lots of harassment power and it is not as hard to defend before reaching the deathball. Blizzard took the races and added things to fix existing issues with them.
What does suprise me is that Blizzard did not do that with Terran. It seems the goal was to have the perfect balance of mechanical and bionic compostions from Terran. At the moment both of thos styles are equally strong, both have strenghts or weaknesses. But the big problem is that both of those compositions are inferior to equal cost compositions from the other races. The reason for that is that Terran had bad design issues from the beggining, bionic was lots stronger than mechanic.Now that mech got buffed and is even to bionic it is time to fix the big problems both of those styles have.
At the moment the Thor has one strenght and that is defending Mutalisk harassment. The Warhound also has one strength and that is defeating mech. Blizzard can fix this with removing the Thor and adding AA attacks to the Warhound so it can be the counter to Mutalisk harassment and the tool for beating Brood Lords in mechanical forces. It should also be the decent counter to armored so it helps versus Ultralisks in the late game. Widow Mines are strong but it is not hard for the opponent to send in Zerglings or Zealots to waste the mines. If perhaps the splash damage gets removed and we can target the mines ourselves it would be better for taking out key units. Mech already has many ways to deal large amounts of damage.
Reapers should then get the real AoE spider mines from BW along with Combat Drugs and also Nitro packs. Then they wold be balanced in early game but very strong harassment options for bionic Terrans in the mid and late game. As bionic costs lots of minerals the gas heavy casters that are Ravens and Ghosts should be the way to beat strong forces. Add the Ravens a strong power versus Mech instead of Auto Turrets so they can deal damage to Collosus forces. Also buff Seeker missile so it works well versus Zergs and Protosses.
I do not think we should complain about balance now as Blizzard can fix this with some simple changes, it is still early to judge:
Thor is actually an incredibly good all-around unit, having the HP of a bunker and one of the highest DPS in the game. It's AA is somewhat weak vs armored, but in mass numbers they're great support for Vikings. A lot of Mechers are realizing that Thor is the go-to unit for most situations.
I'd hate to see it go when we have a shit tank with tons and tons of counters specifically to it.
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On June 10 2012 04:31 Esk23 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2012 04:29 CandyHunterz wrote:On June 10 2012 04:26 Esk23 wrote:On June 10 2012 04:20 SwizzY wrote:On June 10 2012 04:15 Esk23 wrote:On June 10 2012 04:12 SwizzY wrote:On June 10 2012 03:40 Esk23 wrote:On June 10 2012 03:37 SwizzY wrote:On June 10 2012 03:29 Esk23 wrote:
Anyone defending Terran thinking it's good from what you've seen in the HotS video need to get your heads checked, seriously. Mech will simply not work with Ultra charge and that Viper Abduct ability. Imagine Broodlord/infestor/mass queen how that's already unbeatable for Terran and combine that with Vipers lololol. Bio will be bad too, imagine how infestor/viper is ganna be, Ultra charge will rape bio like nothing. Game is ganna take some serious patches to balance out. Terran is already terrible right now in WoL. Damn you're right. Wait a second... who are you again? What is your rank? What tourneys have you won, or have you gotten GM/pro status with Terran? Wait.. probably no to any of the above right? Your comments are baseless, the most you've seen about HotS is the same as the rest of us, and you are whining like... you know what you are whining like. I'm glad that they are being incredibly fluid with their approach to HotS. I think with the inclusion of Kespa and BW pros really puts a fire under the asses of Blizzards balance team - i.e. My faith in the future of SC2 is growing. And 22 range on tempest is lol You should take out a mirror, look at yourself and repeat what you just said into the mirror and shut up lol. What did you come to this thread for if not to read what people think of the units, beta, etc. Get a clue. Ok, I'll tell you straight up. You are being a whiny bitch. It's not an attack on you. It's simply what you are. You came in with your whine a blazing, and trust me when I say that noone is taking you seriously. Mr. Bitter said it well when he said that everything being added looks ridiculously OP. But that's a good thing. It's good to be overwhelmed. I don't have to look in the mirror as I'm being reasonable with my bias. You are being a toxic, loud, entirely useless member of the SC2 community. Oooo yeah you're telling me straight up on an online forum. What a real tough guy you are. Again, take out a mirror, look at yourself and repeat what you said. What you saying to others can easily be said about you. Hypocritical moron. You could not have described yourself better than anyone else could, good job there buddy. Lmao. Again, of course you're going to have people talking about balance in HotS and get people's opinion on the new units, etc. You make yourself look like a complete dumbfck coming here rofl. Good laughs. You are hopeless. You didn't read anything I said and simply defend yourself through the veil of the internet by saying "I have an opinion that I'm entitled to." Nothing I said to you can be applied to me, other than maybe I'm giving an idiot of the internet more attention than they deserve. Read this: https://twitter.com/LiquidTLO/status/211285541734453249Take a step back from your high horse, realize that you are indeed being a whiny bitch, and just stop. Balance talk is acceptable. You are balance whining. For the love of god realize the difference. Rofl, shoo fly, shoo. You're not convincing me your worth taking seriously, sorry little guy. You sound more whiny than a little 5yo girl. What a comical hypocrite you are lmao. I'm literally killing you with my posts, do yourself a favor and just don't read them. dude just stop, not trying to butt in to conversations but i had to since your insults are pathetic. btw swizzy is right, you are a whiny bitch. You're too cute. How many other accounts do you have? =]
wow you are pathetic
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On June 10 2012 04:31 Esk23 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2012 04:29 CandyHunterz wrote:On June 10 2012 04:26 Esk23 wrote:On June 10 2012 04:20 SwizzY wrote:On June 10 2012 04:15 Esk23 wrote:On June 10 2012 04:12 SwizzY wrote:On June 10 2012 03:40 Esk23 wrote:On June 10 2012 03:37 SwizzY wrote:On June 10 2012 03:29 Esk23 wrote:
Anyone defending Terran thinking it's good from what you've seen in the HotS video need to get your heads checked, seriously. Mech will simply not work with Ultra charge and that Viper Abduct ability. Imagine Broodlord/infestor/mass queen how that's already unbeatable for Terran and combine that with Vipers lololol. Bio will be bad too, imagine how infestor/viper is ganna be, Ultra charge will rape bio like nothing. Game is ganna take some serious patches to balance out. Terran is already terrible right now in WoL. Damn you're right. Wait a second... who are you again? What is your rank? What tourneys have you won, or have you gotten GM/pro status with Terran? Wait.. probably no to any of the above right? Your comments are baseless, the most you've seen about HotS is the same as the rest of us, and you are whining like... you know what you are whining like. I'm glad that they are being incredibly fluid with their approach to HotS. I think with the inclusion of Kespa and BW pros really puts a fire under the asses of Blizzards balance team - i.e. My faith in the future of SC2 is growing. And 22 range on tempest is lol You should take out a mirror, look at yourself and repeat what you just said into the mirror and shut up lol. What did you come to this thread for if not to read what people think of the units, beta, etc. Get a clue. Ok, I'll tell you straight up. You are being a whiny bitch. It's not an attack on you. It's simply what you are. You came in with your whine a blazing, and trust me when I say that noone is taking you seriously. Mr. Bitter said it well when he said that everything being added looks ridiculously OP. But that's a good thing. It's good to be overwhelmed. I don't have to look in the mirror as I'm being reasonable with my bias. You are being a toxic, loud, entirely useless member of the SC2 community. Oooo yeah you're telling me straight up on an online forum. What a real tough guy you are. Again, take out a mirror, look at yourself and repeat what you said. What you saying to others can easily be said about you. Hypocritical moron. You could not have described yourself better than anyone else could, good job there buddy. Lmao. Again, of course you're going to have people talking about balance in HotS and get people's opinion on the new units, etc. You make yourself look like a complete dumbfck coming here rofl. Good laughs. You are hopeless. You didn't read anything I said and simply defend yourself through the veil of the internet by saying "I have an opinion that I'm entitled to." Nothing I said to you can be applied to me, other than maybe I'm giving an idiot of the internet more attention than they deserve. Read this: https://twitter.com/LiquidTLO/status/211285541734453249Take a step back from your high horse, realize that you are indeed being a whiny bitch, and just stop. Balance talk is acceptable. You are balance whining. For the love of god realize the difference. Rofl, shoo fly, shoo. You're not convincing me your worth taking seriously, sorry little guy. You sound more whiny than a little 5yo girl. What a comical hypocrite you are lmao. I'm literally killing you with my posts, do yourself a favor and just don't read them. dude just stop, not trying to butt in to conversations but i had to since your insults are pathetic. btw swizzy is right, you are a whiny bitch. You're too cute. How many other accounts do you have? =]
Please stop posting. The entire point of beta is to balance the game. WoL beta began with 1 food 2 armor roaches. If the game actually turns out as broken as you say it will, the entire point of beta is to fix it.
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The derrailing/stupid attacks will end now.
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On June 10 2012 04:32 HeroMystic wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2012 04:22 stipe145 wrote:
It seems that both Protoss and Zerg got some incredible things that fix most of the big problems. Zerg has lots more power to dominate on the map and finish the opponent off when ahead. Protoss has lots of harassment power and it is not as hard to defend before reaching the deathball. Blizzard took the races and added things to fix existing issues with them.
What does suprise me is that Blizzard did not do that with Terran. It seems the goal was to have the perfect balance of mechanical and bionic compostions from Terran. At the moment both of thos styles are equally strong, both have strenghts or weaknesses. But the big problem is that both of those compositions are inferior to equal cost compositions from the other races. The reason for that is that Terran had bad design issues from the beggining, bionic was lots stronger than mechanic.Now that mech got buffed and is even to bionic it is time to fix the big problems both of those styles have.
At the moment the Thor has one strenght and that is defending Mutalisk harassment. The Warhound also has one strength and that is defeating mech. Blizzard can fix this with removing the Thor and adding AA attacks to the Warhound so it can be the counter to Mutalisk harassment and the tool for beating Brood Lords in mechanical forces. It should also be the decent counter to armored so it helps versus Ultralisks in the late game. Widow Mines are strong but it is not hard for the opponent to send in Zerglings or Zealots to waste the mines. If perhaps the splash damage gets removed and we can target the mines ourselves it would be better for taking out key units. Mech already has many ways to deal large amounts of damage.
Reapers should then get the real AoE spider mines from BW along with Combat Drugs and also Nitro packs. Then they wold be balanced in early game but very strong harassment options for bionic Terrans in the mid and late game. As bionic costs lots of minerals the gas heavy casters that are Ravens and Ghosts should be the way to beat strong forces. Add the Ravens a strong power versus Mech instead of Auto Turrets so they can deal damage to Collosus forces. Also buff Seeker missile so it works well versus Zergs and Protosses.
I do not think we should complain about balance now as Blizzard can fix this with some simple changes, it is still early to judge: Thor is actually an incredibly good all-around unit, having the HP of a bunker and one of the highest DPS in the game. It's AA is somewhat weak vs armored, but in mass numbers they're great support for Vikings. A lot of Mechers are realizing that Thor is the go-to unit for most situations.I'd hate to see it go when we have a shit tank with tons and tons of counters specifically to it.
Which is also why Mech is so bad on the current Mappool. The Maps are freaking gigantic and if the Thor is your only unit can deal with anything at least decently you're in trouble considering how freaking slow and clunky the Thor is.
The Thor needs a change in size and a speed upgrade to 2.25 .
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Never started any personal attacks, all my posts were directed to HotS. Scroll back if you want to see who started them.
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On June 10 2012 04:32 HeroMystic wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2012 04:22 stipe145 wrote:
It seems that both Protoss and Zerg got some incredible things that fix most of the big problems. Zerg has lots more power to dominate on the map and finish the opponent off when ahead. Protoss has lots of harassment power and it is not as hard to defend before reaching the deathball. Blizzard took the races and added things to fix existing issues with them.
What does suprise me is that Blizzard did not do that with Terran. It seems the goal was to have the perfect balance of mechanical and bionic compostions from Terran. At the moment both of thos styles are equally strong, both have strenghts or weaknesses. But the big problem is that both of those compositions are inferior to equal cost compositions from the other races. The reason for that is that Terran had bad design issues from the beggining, bionic was lots stronger than mechanic.Now that mech got buffed and is even to bionic it is time to fix the big problems both of those styles have.
At the moment the Thor has one strenght and that is defending Mutalisk harassment. The Warhound also has one strength and that is defeating mech. Blizzard can fix this with removing the Thor and adding AA attacks to the Warhound so it can be the counter to Mutalisk harassment and the tool for beating Brood Lords in mechanical forces. It should also be the decent counter to armored so it helps versus Ultralisks in the late game. Widow Mines are strong but it is not hard for the opponent to send in Zerglings or Zealots to waste the mines. If perhaps the splash damage gets removed and we can target the mines ourselves it would be better for taking out key units. Mech already has many ways to deal large amounts of damage.
Reapers should then get the real AoE spider mines from BW along with Combat Drugs and also Nitro packs. Then they wold be balanced in early game but very strong harassment options for bionic Terrans in the mid and late game. As bionic costs lots of minerals the gas heavy casters that are Ravens and Ghosts should be the way to beat strong forces. Add the Ravens a strong power versus Mech instead of Auto Turrets so they can deal damage to Collosus forces. Also buff Seeker missile so it works well versus Zergs and Protosses.
I do not think we should complain about balance now as Blizzard can fix this with some simple changes, it is still early to judge: Thor is actually an incredibly good all-around unit, having the HP of a bunker and one of the highest DPS in the game. It's AA is somewhat weak vs armored, but in mass numbers they're great support for Vikings. A lot of Mechers are realizing that Thor is the go-to unit for most situations. I'd hate to see it go when we have a shit tank with tons and tons of counters specifically to it.
Not to mention the tank itself has been nerfed and isn't a very strong unit on its own merit
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On June 10 2012 04:20 SwizzY wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2012 04:15 Esk23 wrote:On June 10 2012 04:12 SwizzY wrote:On June 10 2012 03:40 Esk23 wrote:On June 10 2012 03:37 SwizzY wrote:On June 10 2012 03:29 Esk23 wrote:
Anyone defending Terran thinking it's good from what you've seen in the HotS video need to get your heads checked, seriously. Mech will simply not work with Ultra charge and that Viper Abduct ability. Imagine Broodlord/infestor/mass queen how that's already unbeatable for Terran and combine that with Vipers lololol. Bio will be bad too, imagine how infestor/viper is ganna be, Ultra charge will rape bio like nothing. Game is ganna take some serious patches to balance out. Terran is already terrible right now in WoL. Damn you're right. Wait a second... who are you again? What is your rank? What tourneys have you won, or have you gotten GM/pro status with Terran? Wait.. probably no to any of the above right? Your comments are baseless, the most you've seen about HotS is the same as the rest of us, and you are whining like... you know what you are whining like. I'm glad that they are being incredibly fluid with their approach to HotS. I think with the inclusion of Kespa and BW pros really puts a fire under the asses of Blizzards balance team - i.e. My faith in the future of SC2 is growing. And 22 range on tempest is lol You should take out a mirror, look at yourself and repeat what you just said into the mirror and shut up lol. What did you come to this thread for if not to read what people think of the units, beta, etc. Get a clue. Ok, I'll tell you straight up. You are being a whiny bitch. It's not an attack on you. It's simply what you are. You came in with your whine a blazing, and trust me when I say that noone is taking you seriously. Mr. Bitter said it well when he said that everything being added looks ridiculously OP. But that's a good thing. It's good to be overwhelmed. I don't have to look in the mirror as I'm being reasonable with my bias. You are being a toxic, loud, entirely useless member of the SC2 community. Oooo yeah you're telling me straight up on an online forum. What a real tough guy you are. Again, take out a mirror, look at yourself and repeat what you said. What you saying to others can easily be said about you. Hypocritical moron. You could not have described yourself better than anyone else could, good job there buddy. Lmao. Again, of course you're going to have people talking about balance in HotS and get people's opinion on the new units, etc. You make yourself look like a complete dumbfck coming here rofl. Good laughs. You are hopeless. You didn't read anything I said and simply defend yourself through the veil of the internet by saying "I have an opinion that I'm entitled to." Nothing I said to you can be applied to me, other than maybe I'm giving an idiot of the internet more attention than they deserve. Read this: https://twitter.com/LiquidTLO/status/211285541734453249Take a step back from your high horse, realize that you are indeed being a whiny bitch, and just stop. Balance talk is acceptable. You are balance whining. For the love of god realize the difference. User was warned for this post
You are whining about other people, in your opinion, "balance whining". Never mind the fact that he is completely right that mech in tvz looks to be absolutely useless due to all the new zerg buffs, you are literally contributing nothing to the thread by taking an imaginary high horse and acting like a baby. Please stop.
User was warned for this post
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On June 10 2012 04:36 s3rp wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2012 04:32 HeroMystic wrote:On June 10 2012 04:22 stipe145 wrote:
It seems that both Protoss and Zerg got some incredible things that fix most of the big problems. Zerg has lots more power to dominate on the map and finish the opponent off when ahead. Protoss has lots of harassment power and it is not as hard to defend before reaching the deathball. Blizzard took the races and added things to fix existing issues with them.
What does suprise me is that Blizzard did not do that with Terran. It seems the goal was to have the perfect balance of mechanical and bionic compostions from Terran. At the moment both of thos styles are equally strong, both have strenghts or weaknesses. But the big problem is that both of those compositions are inferior to equal cost compositions from the other races. The reason for that is that Terran had bad design issues from the beggining, bionic was lots stronger than mechanic.Now that mech got buffed and is even to bionic it is time to fix the big problems both of those styles have.
At the moment the Thor has one strenght and that is defending Mutalisk harassment. The Warhound also has one strength and that is defeating mech. Blizzard can fix this with removing the Thor and adding AA attacks to the Warhound so it can be the counter to Mutalisk harassment and the tool for beating Brood Lords in mechanical forces. It should also be the decent counter to armored so it helps versus Ultralisks in the late game. Widow Mines are strong but it is not hard for the opponent to send in Zerglings or Zealots to waste the mines. If perhaps the splash damage gets removed and we can target the mines ourselves it would be better for taking out key units. Mech already has many ways to deal large amounts of damage.
Reapers should then get the real AoE spider mines from BW along with Combat Drugs and also Nitro packs. Then they wold be balanced in early game but very strong harassment options for bionic Terrans in the mid and late game. As bionic costs lots of minerals the gas heavy casters that are Ravens and Ghosts should be the way to beat strong forces. Add the Ravens a strong power versus Mech instead of Auto Turrets so they can deal damage to Collosus forces. Also buff Seeker missile so it works well versus Zergs and Protosses.
I do not think we should complain about balance now as Blizzard can fix this with some simple changes, it is still early to judge: Thor is actually an incredibly good all-around unit, having the HP of a bunker and one of the highest DPS in the game. It's AA is somewhat weak vs armored, but in mass numbers they're great support for Vikings. A lot of Mechers are realizing that Thor is the go-to unit for most situations.I'd hate to see it go when we have a shit tank with tons and tons of counters specifically to it. Which is also why Mech is so bad on the current Mappool. The Maps are freaking gigantic and if the Thor is your only unit can deal with anything at least decently you're in trouble considering how freaking slow and clunky the Thor is. The Thor needs a change in size and a speed upgrade to 2.25 .
Why couldn't they just create an upgrade that would permit marauders to ride on hellions with a slight HP boost on the hellion?
Also the hellion should be able to act as a lawn mower and mow down tall grass.
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What are you guys smoking? The Thor is terrible. It's useless versus protoss because of its energy, useless as a mech AA (which is what it was designed for) and terrible against units like lings and banelings. It's only good versus ultralisks, thats basically it.
I doubt you guys saying the Thor is good actually play Terran.
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Hm yes I wonder if they considered tweaking the stats of units around, since maps are much larger now.
I would also like mech not to be a deathball, even if it is immobile. I think mech should be spread around, you know, defensively. Blink stalkers already can force some tanks at home (but you can also siege aggressively to force him to defend), but then your main army isn't so strong, so sieging aggressively seems the best way to mech atm. In TvZ as well, yeah sometimes I put 1-2 tanks at later expansions behind a PF and such, but it would be cool to force thors around too. I know if they go mass mass muta you can put 1 thor and a few turrets at each base, but they don't often go mass mass muta. I guess the mines will help with that "spread out" feeling.
But if the mines are too effective, they may actually lead the zerg/protoss army to play an even more deathball style... the mines may take food away from a terran deathball, but it also encourages deathball play by the z/p unless they have enough reason to go harass. I hope they get the balance right.
@Solo Terran
Actually, the thor is very useful and flexible. I like it a lot. I'm really really glad they aren't removing it.
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On June 10 2012 04:41 Solo Terran wrote:
What are you guys smoking? The Thor is terrible. It's useless versus protoss because of its energy, useless as a mech AA (which is what it was designed for) and terrible against units like lings and banelings. It's only good versus ultralisks, thats basically it.
I doubt you guys saying the Thor is good actually play Terran.
Its not good but its the best-all-around Mech unit. The only Mech unit that had no significant weakness in battle when fighting with even supply.. The weakness lies with the movement speed , size and overall stupidity of the A.I.
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On June 10 2012 04:41 Solo Terran wrote:
What are you guys smoking? The Thor is terrible. It's useless versus protoss because of its energy, useless as a mech AA (which is what it was designed for) and terrible against units like lings and banelings. It's only good versus ultralisks, thats basically it.
I doubt you guys saying the Thor is good actually play Terran.
If you'd actually paid any attention you'd know that the Thor in this build of HoTS doesn't have any energy.
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Damn where can I find the ZvT battle report!? Any link?
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On June 10 2012 04:42 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
Hm yes I wonder if they considered tweaking the stats of units around, since maps are much larger now.
I would also like mech not to be a deathball, even if it is immobile. I think mech should be spread around, you know, defensively. Blink stalkers already can force some tanks at home (but you can also siege aggressively to force him to defend), but then your main army isn't so strong, so sieging aggressively seems the best way to mech atm. In TvZ as well, yeah sometimes I put 1-2 tanks at later expansions behind a PF and such, but it would be cool to force thors around too. I know if they go mass mass muta you can put 1 thor and a few turrets at each base, but they don't often go mass mass muta. I guess the mines will help with that "spread out" feeling.
But if the mines are too effective, they may actually lead the zerg/protoss army to play an even more deathball style... the mines may take food away from a terran deathball, but it also encourages deathball play by the z/p unless they have enough reason to go harass. I hope they get the balance right.
It's not like any good Terran wants a deathball. I would hazard a guess that we want an army that rewards skillful use. However, if a defensible position and the "leap frogging" of an army can be neutered by vipers and Binding Cloud, as well as Fungal, what kind of army is Terran left with?
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On June 10 2012 04:44 Fragile51 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2012 04:41 Solo Terran wrote:
What are you guys smoking? The Thor is terrible. It's useless versus protoss because of its energy, useless as a mech AA (which is what it was designed for) and terrible against units like lings and banelings. It's only good versus ultralisks, thats basically it.
I doubt you guys saying the Thor is good actually play Terran. If you'd actually paid any attention you'd know that the Thor in this build of HoTS doesn't have any energy.
Does strike cannon still exist ?
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On June 10 2012 04:45 s3rp wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2012 04:44 Fragile51 wrote:On June 10 2012 04:41 Solo Terran wrote:
What are you guys smoking? The Thor is terrible. It's useless versus protoss because of its energy, useless as a mech AA (which is what it was designed for) and terrible against units like lings and banelings. It's only good versus ultralisks, thats basically it.
I doubt you guys saying the Thor is good actually play Terran. If you'd actually paid any attention you'd know that the Thor in this build of HoTS doesn't have any energy. Does strike cannon still exist ?
I would think not if they removed energy.
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