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zmansman17
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2567 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-09 20:36:22
June 09 2012 20:21 GMT
#2061

I wouldn't base your race change on what people think, more on what you think.
♞ - His EKG is flattening get me a defib stat! Prepped and Ready! - ♞
zmansman17
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2567 Posts
June 09 2012 20:23 GMT
#2062
On June 10 2012 05:16 Solo Terran wrote:
Yeah I hate to complain before the beta is even out but none of the Terran stuff seems interesting to me. I'll probably switch to Zerg since I hate Protoss with a passion.


I don't blame you at all. I'd really like to see how many Terrans switch or just don't play HotS.
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phiinix
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1169 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-09 20:47:46
June 09 2012 20:25 GMT
#2063
edit: wrong thread

But I wonder how much hp mines have o-o
Solo Terran
Profile Joined November 2011
367 Posts
June 09 2012 20:26 GMT
#2064
On June 10 2012 05:25 phiinix wrote:
Man that emp was so perfect.
Wrong thread :D
bardtown
Profile Joined June 2011
England2313 Posts
June 09 2012 20:26 GMT
#2065
On June 10 2012 05:21 zmansman17 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2012 05:14 bardtown wrote:
Poll: Do you like the Terran changes?

Yes (21)
 
46%

No (12)
 
26%

Warhound sucks (9)
 
20%

Not sure (4)
 
9%

46 total votes

Your vote: Do you like the Terran changes?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): Not sure
(Vote): Warhound sucks



Just wondering. I'm seriously considering a race switch if these new units damage the playstyle the way it looks like they will.


I wouldn't base your race change on what people think, more on what you think.


I am basing it on what I think and how it plays when it's released. But it does seem like a lot of Terrans aren't too happy. I'm still hoping they'll change it, or at least bring something more original than the Warhound which is the worst unit ever.
Harbinger631
Profile Joined September 2010
United States376 Posts
June 09 2012 20:28 GMT
#2066
It's amazing how angsty people can get over theorycrafting. I'll wait for the beta before I start expressing joy/dismay.
Sapphire.lux
Profile Joined July 2010
Romania2620 Posts
June 09 2012 20:29 GMT
#2067
On June 10 2012 05:18 SolidMoose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2012 05:15 Sapphire.lux wrote:
On June 10 2012 04:49 HeroMystic wrote:
On June 10 2012 04:41 Solo Terran wrote:
What are you guys smoking? The Thor is terrible. It's useless versus protoss because of its energy, useless as a mech AA (which is what it was designed for) and terrible against units like lings and banelings. It's only good versus ultralisks, thats basically it.

I doubt you guys saying the Thor is good actually play Terran.

Look up Mech TvP in the search option or better yet on youtube. The ones worth watching (where Terran wins) will have a large majority of Thors. Thors don't care about Feedback with SCV mass repair and Ghost EMP. Hellions support it strongly vs Light units, and Vikings are your anti-air unit with Thor as good support due to their splash.

It's obvious you're not a Mecher, but that's okay. Not many people understand how Mech actually works. That's why we're getting a 1-A Warhound.

I've been "meching" since beta and have never ever gone mass Thor. Always mass Tank hellion with some thors added later on.

The Warhound is a smaller and more mobile Thor (for TvP),probably just as 1a ish and boring.


Until protoss gets less 1A stuff, I will welcome Terran 1A stuff

I know what you mean... but it does not make it fun...

I play mech for 2 resons: i like tanks and i like that it's not a "1 aish" style. It's the positional play that can make a mech army completly shit, or unstopable that makes it great. If by making mech better blizz makes it 1a friendly, then i'd rather they leave it be.
Head Coach Park: "They should buff tanks!"
zmansman17
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2567 Posts
June 09 2012 20:32 GMT
#2068
On June 10 2012 05:26 bardtown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2012 05:21 zmansman17 wrote:
On June 10 2012 05:14 bardtown wrote:
Poll: Do you like the Terran changes?

Yes (21)
 
46%

No (12)
 
26%

Warhound sucks (9)
 
20%

Not sure (4)
 
9%

46 total votes

Your vote: Do you like the Terran changes?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): Not sure
(Vote): Warhound sucks



Just wondering. I'm seriously considering a race switch if these new units damage the playstyle the way it looks like they will.


I wouldn't base your race change on what people think, more on what you think.


I am basing it on what I think and how it plays when it's released. But it does seem like a lot of Terrans aren't too happy. I'm still hoping they'll change it, or at least bring something more original than the Warhound which is the worst unit ever.


Also note you are going to have a lot of Zerg and Protoss vote "yes", which has nothing to do with Terran players.
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HeroMystic
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1217 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-09 20:36:46
June 09 2012 20:33 GMT
#2069
On June 10 2012 05:15 Sapphire.lux wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2012 04:49 HeroMystic wrote:
On June 10 2012 04:41 Solo Terran wrote:
What are you guys smoking? The Thor is terrible. It's useless versus protoss because of its energy, useless as a mech AA (which is what it was designed for) and terrible against units like lings and banelings. It's only good versus ultralisks, thats basically it.

I doubt you guys saying the Thor is good actually play Terran.

Look up Mech TvP in the search option or better yet on youtube. The ones worth watching (where Terran wins) will have a large majority of Thors. Thors don't care about Feedback with SCV mass repair and Ghost EMP. Hellions support it strongly vs Light units, and Vikings are your anti-air unit with Thor as good support due to their splash.

It's obvious you're not a Mecher, but that's okay. Not many people understand how Mech actually works. That's why we're getting a 1-A Warhound.

I've been "meching" since beta and have never ever gone mass Thor. Always mass Tank hellion with some thors added later on.

The Warhound is a smaller and more mobile Thor (for TvP),probably just as 1a ish and boring.


I can see mass hellion, but I don't see how mass tank will do anything for you when Protoss goes Robo for Immortal+Colossus.All the gateway units would die but the Robo units will all be left over and wreck everything. Happens every time I went mass tank.

EDIT: Oh yeah, Warp Prism + Blink Stalker harass makes me QQ.

On June 10 2012 05:16 Adreme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2012 05:03 HeroMystic wrote:
On June 10 2012 04:52 Adreme wrote:
On June 10 2012 04:49 HeroMystic wrote:
On June 10 2012 04:41 Solo Terran wrote:
What are you guys smoking? The Thor is terrible. It's useless versus protoss because of its energy, useless as a mech AA (which is what it was designed for) and terrible against units like lings and banelings. It's only good versus ultralisks, thats basically it.

I doubt you guys saying the Thor is good actually play Terran.

Look up Mech TvP in the search option or better yet on youtube. The ones worth watching (where Terran wins) will have a large majority of Thors. Thors don't care about Feedback with SCV mass repair and Ghost EMP. Hellions support it strongly vs Light units, and Vikings are your anti-air unit with Thor as good support due to their splash.

It's obvious you're not a Mecher, but that's okay. Not many people understand how Mech actually works. That's why we're getting a 1-A Warhound.


Thats not mech thats a 2 base thor push. It gets destroyed by fast storm because as much they "dont care" about feedback when its combod with storm they do care. Going a mech timing attack and actually using mech as your army comp are 2 very different things. There are TONS of great mech timing attacks that can hit before protoss gets hit tech up but I have yet to see a mech build that transitions well to the late game.


It's not a 2-base Thor push.

Mech build: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=323003

Mech vid(Lastshadow playing): www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezAvY2bB7ks3#t=6m


I dont know who lastshadow was playing but that is not how most people play against mech. Getting caught without a robo, going 2 forge are all things I wouldnt expect when playing mech. The reason its not popular is that it relies on having your opponent prep for playing against bio. The moment you see mech you go thru a checklist, get charge and of course a robo to spot if its tank heavy or thor heavy, add an immortal or 2 just to be safe if its thor heavy add in a templar archives for feedback+charge to deny repair. If it were very thor heavy late game I could imagine adding in some void rays+pheonix but I have never personally seen it come to that.


My arguement is Thor > Tank, not that Mech is good vs Protoss. Everyone who has tried it will have the horror stories to back up their answer.
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
June 09 2012 20:35 GMT
#2070
I like the Terran changes, weirdly enough. I like small and fast but powerful units, like marines and hellions (my favorite T units), and I don't like at all tanks (and sometimes I'm forced to make them :D) and slow, careful play, so I'll welcome mines and those motherfucking badass transformer hellions...
I'll be the one to burrow mines in your face and A-move my hellion-marines compositions while you struggle with your slow units. And then I'll die to Colossus, yes.
The Warhound seems really fast as well (according to the stats), so it's all good for me. :D
Mongolbonjwa
Profile Joined January 2012
Finland376 Posts
June 09 2012 20:36 GMT
#2071
Why is this thread name "MLG info updates". This has nothing to do with MLG. Those videos are from blizzards blog and unit info are from kennigits twitter.
Zorgaz
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden2951 Posts
June 09 2012 20:38 GMT
#2072
A TvZ battle report from HOTS on MLG Red stream! :D
Furthermore, I think the Collosi should be removed! (Zorgaz -Terran/AbrA-Random/Zorg-Dota2) Guineapigs <3
Roynalf
Profile Joined August 2011
Finland886 Posts
June 09 2012 20:39 GMT
#2073
is there TvP battlereport, would love to see warhounds on use
(V) (;,,;) (V) Woopwoopwoopwoop
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
June 09 2012 20:40 GMT
#2074
On June 10 2012 05:38 Zorgaz wrote:
A TvZ battle report from HOTS on MLG Red stream! :D

The exact same we saw yesterday.
Zaros
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom3692 Posts
June 09 2012 20:40 GMT
#2075
On June 10 2012 05:36 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
Why is this thread name "MLG info updates". This has nothing to do with MLG. Those videos are from blizzards blog and unit info are from kennigits twitter.


because the beta is at mlg
zmansman17
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2567 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-09 20:42:11
June 09 2012 20:41 GMT
#2076
Just so everyone knows reapers were actually nerfed as well. They no longer have building damage. So sure they can regenerate (if you spend resources to tech to it), but after Speed, they are more than worthless. They are a liability.
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saltygrapes
Profile Joined April 2010
181 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-09 20:42:53
June 09 2012 20:42 GMT
#2077
On June 10 2012 05:36 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
Why is this thread name "MLG info updates". This has nothing to do with MLG. Those videos are from blizzards blog and unit info are from kennigits twitter.


What a pointless thing to complain about. lmao

all of this info came out alongside the start of MLG and blizzard has people at MLG. MLG has been showing HOTS stuff on their streams. the current build is playable at MLG. sorry that pissed you off. no one else cares

Furthermore the P/Z stuff is awesome. The T stuff needs reworked hard IMO. Warhound is boring. Spider mines look ridiculously powerful early game. T's issue with not having a go-to lategame unit still exists. BCs are still crappy, Ravens are still mediocre, and no other unit was added. Someone else mentioned it but it seems like Blizzard's goal is to make terrans want to build more factories after WoL was very bio-focused, not address the actual issues with the race, which the most glaring one is lack of an endgame unit that doesn't suck.

sxpointz!
Maxd11
Profile Joined July 2011
United States680 Posts
June 09 2012 20:45 GMT
#2078
Has anyone mentioned that frenzy was removed from ultras to compensate for the charge ability?
Also I really like the HotS changes so far and I think that blizz will keep making it better.
I can't wait to try these new units out!
I looked in the mirror and saw biupilm69t
MajorityofOne
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada2506 Posts
June 09 2012 20:46 GMT
#2079
I like the Terran additions. I like the Protoss additions. But the Zerg additions are AMAZING. I get why the other two races might be a bit miffed
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
June 09 2012 20:46 GMT
#2080
On June 10 2012 05:41 zmansman17 wrote:
Just so everyone knows reapers were actually nerfed as well. They no longer have building damage. So sure they can regenerate (if you spend resources to tech to it), but after Speed, they are more than worthless. They are a liability.

I don't think so. Nobody was getting the speed upgrade and using the building attack anyway, except in 4v4 to be annoying as hell. Here if you're able to micro your 3 reapers and keep them alive, you can just pop in and out of a base and kill 2-3 drones, constantly.
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