Season 8 Map Pool Update - Page 16

On June 09 2012 03:16 ohampatu wrote:



Big time community members, or at least 'bigger' than most should not make posts like this. Your view really isn't different than any other person's, yet because your 'known' if you do something like what you just did, every mid0-tier zerg and lower will jump the 'fuck this map' bandwagon because somebody they 'know of' in the community said it.

On June 09 2012 03:34 Gamegene wrote:


quiet mortal. don't bother the gods with your inferior concerns.

On June 09 2012 03:28 IronManSC wrote:


It's not in any tournament anymore. And it's old.

On June 09 2012 03:36 Millet wrote:
The new 1v1 map could be decent if the third wasn't so bad.. First off, rocks? Why does blizzard feel the need to hinder fast third builds for zergs? ZvP will be just like Taldarim altar on this map. Which is just silly. Second, an easily abusable ledge above the third? Did they learn anything form the fail of Lost Temple? Other than that, a decent map for sure.

Remove the rocks, remove or alter the ledge and the third is too tucked away. Needs to have at least one alternate pathway.

On June 09 2012 03:36 ohampatu wrote:



Its funny, cause before I could even hit post a zerg person had quoted him and made a balance complaint.

Then diamond clarifies what he meant, which is completely different than what his post meant. Read my post under the one you quoted for my full example. Also i didn't even beat whoever reported him, so uh, us mortals sometimes know what were talking about?

On June 09 2012 02:52 avc wrote:
To all you Protoss players thinking the rocks are fine, imagine a map where you cannot possibly FFE due to an ultra wide ramp making it impossible to wall off.

It would also be wise for many of you to remember that Zerg needs to be one base ahead of their opponent in most situations.

If a Terran or Protoss fast expands, then Zerg needs to take a fast third or two base all in otherwise they are playing from behind. This doesn't mean every map should give Zerg players an easy fast third, but maps like Ohana and Metropolis offer sensible solutions to that issue by making the third harder to defend without making it impossible to take.

I really don't understand the problem people have with Korhal Compound, it's a beautiful map that plays well in every match up. It doesn't really seem to favour any single race too much and there are multiple ways to play it. Blizzard should really have added Korhal TE (which fixes some of the issues the LE map has) rather than removing it altogether.

It's also a shame to see Metalopolis removed when Shakuras and Tal Darim live on, both of which are far more flawed than Metalopolis ever was.

Not even removing the rocks will save the new map. The ledge behind the third is frankly broken for Sentry drops, proxy pylons and almost any other kind of drop play. No one will be holding a fourth on that map either unless it's a Terran with a PF + Tanks on one of the high ground fourths. We already have a bunch of three base only maps on the ladder (Entombed, Antiga, Ohana) do we really need another?

For all the complaints over Metalopolis and Korhal Compound, I've had those maps come up a surprising amount this season in the ladder, which suggests they aren't as unpopular as a vocal minority seems to make you believe.

On June 09 2012 03:37 ohampatu wrote:



why must zergs think that 'fast 3rd' builds are the only viable builds?

On June 09 2012 03:36 ohampatu wrote:



Its funny, cause before I could even hit post a zerg person had quoted him and made a balance complaint.

Then diamond clarifies what he meant, which is completely different than what his post meant. Read my post under the one you quoted for my full example. Also i didn't even beat whoever reported him, so uh, us mortals sometimes know what were talking about?

why must zergs think that 'fast 3rd' builds are the only viable builds?

On June 09 2012 03:42 Millet wrote:

It's not, but it should be a viable build at all times. You don't understand the problem because you are not zerg (obvious). I play all races and know how devastating not getting that third up can be for zerg. Ever tried cannoning the third from a zerg? That is basically a free win for the protoss.

On June 09 2012 03:42 Millet wrote:

It's not, but it should be a viable build at all times. You don't understand the problem because you are not zerg (obvious). I play all races and know how devastating not getting that third up can be for zerg. Ever tried cannoning the third from a zerg? That is basically a free win for the protoss.

On June 09 2012 03:36 ohampatu wrote:



Its funny, cause before I could even hit post a zerg person had quoted him and made a balance complaint.

Then diamond clarifies what he meant, which is completely different than what his post meant. Read my post under the one you quoted for my full example. Also i didn't even beat whoever reported him, so uh, us mortals sometimes know what were talking about?

On June 09 2012 03:17 ZeromuS wrote:
Well that sums it up lol. Still, as protoss strong 2 base all in PvZ, PvP wont change much and PvT, templar to defend drops and hopefully with good control we should fine.

On June 09 2012 03:45 Charon1979 wrote:


please enlighten me about the power of 2 base zerg macro builds against a FFE toss

On June 09 2012 03:05 BandonBanshee wrote:
Blizzard can't you fix zvp without cutting a zergs balls off? Rocks at third, no open areas, map covered with ramps and 1 small choke point covers every toss expo. I can't think of a reason blizz would add this map other then padding the toss winrate (because we all know that when the winrates are 50% sc2s glaring issues will be fixed)