EPTTLPD Winrates May 2012 - Page 32
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Mentalizor
Denmark1596 Posts
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mazqo
Finland368 Posts
On June 08 2012 19:02 IMoperator wrote: Good thing my friends and I have been playing League of Legends a lot more, don't want to deal with TvP or TvZ 'til something gets fixed. They cant magically fix your lack of skill. | ||
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Mentalizor
Denmark1596 Posts
On June 08 2012 09:58 iTzSnypah wrote: How is 61:39 'more balanced'. And if anything I can rebuttal with Zergs are 9-0 in GSTL Right now. Yeah... the only time we've seen zerg lose a single game... it was in ZvZ. But zerg sure seems more balanced | ||
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TeeTS
Germany2762 Posts
On June 08 2012 19:10 Mentalizor wrote: Yeah... the only time we've seen zerg lose a single game... it was in ZvZ. But zerg sure seems more balanced yonghwa actuallly managed to win a PvZ against Moon. so far his was the only time in this GSTL season a zerg lost a non-zvz. (We only had players like Polt, MMA and MVP trying to win a TvZ, so I think these scrubs are finally where they belong, right?)  But yeah, NOW the game is finally balanced  | ||
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Dalavita
Sweden1113 Posts
The queen buff was actually blizzard fixing gold level zergs lack of skill by giving them a super unit when they couldn't use the fully satisfactory one. | ||
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teddyoojo
Germany22369 Posts
i mean how did those couple of zergs actually manage to lose? | ||
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papaz
Sweden4149 Posts
Why was the queen even buffed in the first place? I understand zerg needed a better scouting option hence the overlord speed early game but queen? | ||
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IMoperator
4476 Posts
What are you talking about? I'm a masters terran player, I have been masters for 3 seasons now. My TvZ was never stellar, but it was always around 45%-50% wins. In my last 8 matches against zerg, I went 0-8. Sure, a lot of this is my fault, maybe I don't macro well enough or micro well enough, but I've never done this badly against zerg, and I haven't been doing anything different. | ||
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Gravesong
United States96 Posts
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Limelights
United States219 Posts
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rd
United States2586 Posts
On June 08 2012 20:00 Limelights wrote: Give it another month or two and if the winrates stay the same in ZvT, change something. We can't forget how the metagame can evolve and fix itself. That doesn't address the underlying issue that they took a very balanced match-up and tossed it for what seems to be no reason other than for the sake of buffing zerg. Of COURSE the meta-game could shift, again, but why was it necessary for Blizzard to dip their hands into it in the first place? I really wish they'd stop with these drastic balance patches, at least until HotS. | ||
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Toadvine
Poland2234 Posts
On June 08 2012 18:24 jeffvip wrote: Sorry if I offended anybody but I just cannot find another words which are more suitable to use in this situation. This scenario have been explained so many times yet he still wanna post on that. I don't understand why so many Protoss player still wanna stress the winning % is about 50%. Is about the late game which bring fun to player and spectator, not the winning or losing matter. Protoss players bring the winrates up, because the majority of Terran complaints about TvP lategame sound like the matchup is somehow grievously imbalanced and needs Terran buffs asap. A lot of them don't even think they have a midgame advantage, so if you take them seriously, Terran should never win games against Protoss. So it makes some sense to occasionally remind them that if they want an even lategame, they'd need to agree to an even mid/early game too. Since the matchup, as a whole, is indeed balanced, if stupid. And on a different note, PvZ lategame is also quite difficult for Protosses currently, but you don't see them whining about Zerg everywhere. | ||
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teddyoojo
Germany22369 Posts
On June 08 2012 21:28 Toadvine wrote: And on a different note, PvZ lategame is also quite difficult for Protosses currently, but you don't see them whining about Zerg everywhere. u srs? korea has 57% pvz winrate and protoss whine about zerg is everywhere. | ||
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Toadvine
Poland2234 Posts
On June 08 2012 21:34 teddyoojo wrote: u srs? korea has 57% pvz winrate and protoss whine about zerg is everywhere. Yeah, and it was the other way around in April. I don't see the point anyway, since Protosses win a lot with 2 base all-ins or 3 base timing pushes before Broodlords are out, or by defending a roach max and then countering. Doesn't mean the lategame isn't hard. And no, at the very least, there's no 80 page "PvZ lategame ZOMG" thread, like there was for TvP. | ||
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TeeTS
Germany2762 Posts
On June 08 2012 21:40 Toadvine wrote: Yeah, and it was the other way around in April. I don't see the point anyway, since Protosses win a lot with 2 base all-ins or 3 base timing pushes before Broodlords are out, or by defending a roach max and then countering. Doesn't mean the lategame isn't hard. And no, at the very least, there's no 80 page "PvZ lategame ZOMG" thread, like there was for TvP. Since protoss players like to talk about statistics... maybe the 7-1 match record in PvZ in GSL season 2 Code S played into it | ||
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AlexanderDebois
Kyrgyzstan38 Posts
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ragz_gt
9172 Posts
On June 08 2012 19:42 Gravesong wrote: Does anyone know if the Prime vs ST games in the KSL were played pre or post-patch? MKP had an interesting build using fast upgrades for bio and mech that worked against STCurious I believe. Has anyone seen any other terrans take this heavy upgraded biomech build against other zerg with any success? Don't attempt to copy MKP's build, unless you literally have the best micro in the world. | ||
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TeeTS
Germany2762 Posts
On June 08 2012 22:47 ragz_gt wrote: Don't attempt to copy MKP's build, unless you literally have the best micro in the world. That's totally wrong. It's a good build and scales with micro, yes. But you don't need to have his skills to make it work against equal skilled zerg. You need to add those medivacs against fungal though. In his game where he didn't make any medivacs against life, he was just fungalt over time to death. | ||
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ragz_gt
9172 Posts
On June 08 2012 22:51 TeeTS wrote: That's totally wrong. It's a good build and scales with micro, yes. But you don't need to have his skills to make it work against equal skilled zerg. You need to add those medivacs against fungal though. In his game where he didn't make any medivacs against life, he was just fungalt over time to death. MKP been trying this strat on ladder in his past few streams, with more gg than not. Even his game against curious was improbable engagement after engagement in the middle, several times would of lost if reinforcement was 5 sec behind. His bio/thor strat used against DRG seems more doable but that was pre-patch. | ||
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aksfjh
United States4853 Posts
On June 08 2012 20:00 Limelights wrote: Give it another month or two and if the winrates stay the same in ZvT, change something. We can't forget how the metagame can evolve and fix itself. Just like they gave ZvT 2 months to let the metagame shift. OH WAIT! It was balanced in the first place and never even needed strict balance attention. | ||
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