[?] Spades hacking? - Page 95

On June 05 2012 12:13 Mirhi wrote:
Well, while it's bad form to throw someone under the bus, I'm just going to do it because all this came out and I have a fact that actually matters.

Spades stream cheated during showmatches that he played while he lived with me at what was the Reign house. It's a carry over from the stream cheating that many Koreans do in the Korean prohouses (Both Spades and Artist have confirmed with me that Koreans frequently stream cheat in team leagues and showmatches against foreigners out of pride).

If ever I saw it happen when I was in the house, I would immediately try to stop them, but I know on occasion it still occured, most notably in a match Spades played against Gatored last year.

About maphacking, I have no idea and have no opinion on the matter other than either option wouldn't surprise me.

I would want to say though, that cheating occurs way more than people realize, and I actually would not be so hard on him for this evidence, even if it is true. Players better than Spades actively cheat, particularly stream cheat or simply ghosting, because of how easy it is.

Example - Leenock was over a player's shoulder at MLG Providence helping them during a game, giving them hints in Korean.

It's pretty common.

On June 05 2012 12:49 Mirhi wrote:


Time spent in multiple Korean prohouses. They both told me it was standard in Korea and even more wide spread there than it is here. The exact scenario was, I asked Artist if Koreans cheated, he shrugged and said "Yes. Korean standard." It was almost a joke, but we discussed it more later. There's a completely different view point of it there. I had to explain to Artist how badly America and Europe thought of it and stress he could never do it, it would be the end of his career if he did. It took me like 30 minutes to really make it clear how unacceptable it was to everyone, and to me personally.

On June 05 2012 13:20 algorithm0r wrote:
It is sad that the TL community should decide these things. We the community have no stakes in this.

If Blizzard wishes to protect the integrity of its ladder it can do so with bans or demotions based on whatever evidence it wants (see the ToS if you like) but we don't have the right or even the responsibility to help them find and accuse these violations.

If a tournament wishes to eliminate misconduct in its games it can and may set the conditions under which a player may be disqualified. Again we don't have any right or responsibility to participate in deciding these issues.

There is a reason why courts do not conduct hearings on public internet forums. This and all threads like these should be IMMEDIATELY CLOSED due to the damage they do to the player regardless of whether they were in the wrong or not. Spades does not deserve his name dragged through the mud EVEN IF HE IS GUILTY!!!! Maphacking is at best a "crime" of an insecure person whose insecurities are already sufficient punishment.

GL HF Spades.