[?] Spades hacking? - Page 34

On June 05 2012 08:12 Ebzy wrote:


He said he was having mouse issues, however if thats an excuse or not I'm not sure..

ps : Catz please stream analysis

On June 05 2012 08:13 tsuxiit wrote:


Well (and this is, again, purely hypothetical), the fact that he has performed somewhat decently at several LANs would not mean that he doesn't hack. Any sort-of skilled high masters player with confidence can take games off a pro, even if you can't do it consistently or without having a crutch to lean on in practice or online tournaments that makes you intimidating. And while his performances were decent, they weren't really 70% winrate good; he's always played his best at home.

On June 05 2012 08:13 tsuxiit wrote:


Well (and this is, again, purely hypothetical), the fact that he has performed somewhat decently at several LANs would not mean that he doesn't hack. Any sort-of skilled high masters player with confidence can take games off a pro, even if you can't do it consistently or without having a crutch to lean on in practice or online tournaments that makes you intimidating. And while his performances were decent, they weren't really 70% winrate good; he's always played his best at home.

On June 05 2012 08:14 Gladiator333 wrote:
I remember in SC2gears you could see if a guy that was hacking if he's blink micro was legit or not. Isn't it possible to see the same sort of here but with camera lock perhaps or so? Probably not but cool to play around if there's anyway to be able to detect it there from. I'm too tired to do it myself.

On June 05 2012 08:13 yeastiality wrote:


You sure are bitter about whatever you just posted about. It doesn't prove that he was hacking in the replays provided, though. You are killing esports, no joke~

On June 05 2012 08:16 MayorITC wrote:
Some of these counter-arguments are absurd. The player's post count doesn't matter. The OP provides a lot of evidence for his argument. If you're going to make make a rebuttal, criticize the evidence, not his post count.

If I remember right, Spades never admitted to hacking in SC1 either nor was there 100% conclusive proof, but there was enough proof to believe he hacked without reasonable doubt. In SC1, there were numerous replays of him indicating that he did not use a single hotkey at all (a common symptom from using the Oblivion hack), which is unheard of from a player at his level. Here you have a similar incident of Spades in a 10+ second camera lock, which is also unheard of from a player at his level.

De ja vu.

On June 05 2012 08:16 MayorITC wrote:
Some of these counter-arguments are absurd. The player's post count doesn't matter. The OP provides a lot of evidence for his argument. If you're going to make make a rebuttal, criticize the evidence, not his post count.

If I remember right, Spades never admitted to hacking in SC1 either nor was there 100% conclusive proof, but there was enough proof to believe he hacked without reasonable doubt. In SC1, there were numerous replays of him indicating that he did not use a single hotkey at all (a common symptom from using the Oblivion hack), which is unheard of from a player at his level. Here you have a similar incident of Spades in a 10+ second camera lock, which is also unheard of from a player at his level.

De ja vu.

On June 05 2012 08:19 divito wrote:
Having been a head admin of CEVO (for anyone that may know of it) back when it was popular, going through a demo of a player and trying to ascertain suspicious areas of their play isn't a simple task. There are just some people that play "weird," glance at a TV in the room, and make really strange intuitive moves that completely put them under the microscope.

The problem with threads like these, and the enormous amount of complexity and variability of a game like SC2, is that it gives little definitive areas to conclusively say that one is cheating. There are many ways of completing the same action, whether through bindings, or mini-map, or what have you.

Everyone has a different justification over why they would do something at what point; a lot of the "plays" under scrutiny are done so under the guise of one's own play style, and their bias/experience towards what should/could have been done.

That's to say nothing of this specific instance other than, you have to approach it from the other side. A big problem also arises in cases like this, because as an admin, the opposing team (from CEVO, other leagues) submits notes on why they think someone is cheating; this forces one to look at these instances suspiciously, which negatively impacts what you're viewing.

It will take multiple viewings (and the use of a cheat eventually), and a good understanding of the states of the game and the player's mindset through those multiple viewings, to actually establish whether anything is really suspicious or not.

On June 05 2012 08:16 MayorITC wrote:
Some of these counter-arguments are absurd. The player's post count doesn't matter. The OP provides a lot of evidence for his argument. If you're going to make make a rebuttal, criticize the evidence, not his post count.

On June 05 2012 08:18 kckkryptonite wrote:
This is why being GM alone means nothing, I don't watch online-only tournaments because they have little credibility, and players who only play online aren't *pro*.