EPT[?] Spades hacking? - Page 36
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07:06 KST - method linked here has been disproved here 10:54 KST - Find a full timeline of pro comments (including Spades) in the topic here. 08:47 KST - Summary: Accusations of maphacking have the potential to destroy a player's career if left unaddressed. Because of the potential consequences, we should be careful about accepting unproven accusations. The principle of 'innocent until proven guilty' should be applied here. That does not mean that there has been a conclusion about this case, however, which is why this thread remains tentatively open. Please discuss with caution and use evidence to back up your claims. (also a summary post by an unnamed pro on reddit here) | ||
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Tiegrr
United States607 Posts
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Jaegeru
United Kingdom676 Posts
On June 05 2012 08:13 tsuxiit wrote: Well (and this is, again, purely hypothetical), the fact that he has performed somewhat decently at several LANs would not mean that he doesn't hack. Any sort-of skilled high masters player with confidence can take games off a pro, even if you can't do it consistently or without having a crutch to lean on in practice or online tournaments that makes you intimidating. And while his performances were decent, they weren't really 70% winrate good; he's always played his best at home. It's like Idra said last week on ITG you enter an offline tournament as a lesser known pro and you can fuck up for so many different reasons - like nerves, being in a different Environment or with more people standing behind you and watching etc. and not perform as well as you do normally in your home environment. It's basically if you don't perform well offline you're fucked and have everyone accusing you of cheating, it's this sort of reddit witch hunting bullshit that shouldn't belong here as it hurts the game and it's development and the community as a whole by making it harder for players to make the step to try and make a name for themselves and become a progamer. | ||
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gangstarr
United States68 Posts
Edit: Yes I have maphacked in the past. | ||
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caradoc
Canada3022 Posts
On June 05 2012 08:22 Spades wrote: Someone posted something about if you cameralock you can't perform other actions. Show me an instance where I am "looking at my production for 10 seconds" without performing an action. This never even close to happens. Who would design a program that stops you from doing any actions while locking your camera? Not only is it unnecessary from a programming perspective, it would make it ridiculously easy to detect as well. I think the fact that this isn't already well known is evidence enough that the claim is false given how much scrutiny there is on a semi-regular basis of hacker and supposed-hacker replays. | ||
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TheWorldToCome
United States452 Posts
On June 05 2012 08:16 JJH777 wrote: I also remember that when IdrA forfeited against him in that random daily tournament he justified it by saying that he doesn't like playing Nerchio online. Stephano has said the only zerg he doesn't like to play is Nerchio, and that Nerchio plays a "weird style." | ||
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shifty
United States280 Posts
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Riff-
Canada39 Posts
On June 05 2012 08:24 Woony wrote: wat. you realize he got caught hacking once already? if this is true his career is absolutely dead. career didnt die the first time.. also look at dragon. now an immensly popular player with a similarly unfortunate past. there aint no fat ladies singing yet | ||
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Holytornados
United States1022 Posts
On June 05 2012 08:22 Spades wrote: Someone posted something about if you cameralock you can't perform other actions. Show me an instance where I am "looking at my production for 10 seconds" without performing an action. This never even close to happens. That post was not accurate, as I understand it. | ||
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MidgetHumper
United Kingdom280 Posts
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Kyhol
Canada2574 Posts
If this is true than he is an unforgivable scumbag. A man who does this deserves a solid punch to the face. | ||
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sekalf
Sweden522 Posts
On June 05 2012 08:26 shabinka wrote: Better question: why does he have to stare at other places on the map for 10+ seconds at a time? If it is a camera lock and he is you know using a map hack, wouldn't he just have to glance around the map quickly. He has high apm and doesn't need to stare at things to know exactly whats going on. A quick glimpse in his base would be more than enough to put him leagues ahead of his opponent. Maybe he is scratching his ass or something? Or eating a banana? Having the screen still for 10 seconds prove absolutely nothing. | ||
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divito
Canada1213 Posts
On June 05 2012 08:26 shabinka wrote: Better question: why does he have to stare at other places on the map for 10+ seconds at a time? If it is a camera lock and he is you know using a map hack, wouldn't he just have to glance around the map quickly. He has high apm and doesn't need to stare at things to know exactly whats going on. A quick glimpse in his base would be more than enough to put him leagues ahead of his opponent. Outside of that, this "camera lock" thing is unconvincing; simply because, for all the times I've gotten out of my chair quickly, taken a drink or a bite of something, it's easy to have your camera just sit there. I'm sure there are many people that have the same thing happen; sure, maybe not during a showmatch, but we can't say for sure how seriously he was taking it. | ||
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shell
Portugal2722 Posts
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legaton
France1763 Posts
On June 05 2012 08:22 teamsolid wrote: If you've been around long enough in this scene, you would know that a pro found hacking is not uncommon at all. Going by history, when there has been evidence found indicating foul play has been happening, 99% of the time the player indeed was hacking. 90% of the time, the player also denies it until eventually there is solid, irrefutable proof. This time will be no different. Lucifron was accused of hacking just some weeks ago? There's was rumors about Stephano hacking in the french scene for months, until he rolled over all the french players on several LANs on a row. Trolls love to say that Nerchio hacks... And for some old story, as far as i remember, MistrZZZ was never proven a hacker even if he was accused of hacking like monthly  | ||
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Hydrox911
United Kingdom261 Posts
On June 05 2012 08:13 tsuxiit wrote: Well (and this is, again, purely hypothetical), the fact that he has performed somewhat decently at several LANs would not mean that he doesn't hack. Any sort-of skilled high masters player with confidence can take games off a pro, even if you can't do it consistently or without having a crutch to lean on in practice or online tournaments that makes you intimidating. And while his performances were decent, they weren't really 70% winrate good; he's always played his best at home. Who doesn't play their best at home ? | ||
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JackDT
724 Posts
On June 05 2012 07:16 zezamer wrote: Why wouldn't you just stream on private stream to be recorded ? or record fpvod in some other way If you can extract the map information and production and tab and whatnot from memory, you can throw it up on another screen too. | ||
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carloselcoco
United States2302 Posts
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Holytornados
United States1022 Posts
On June 05 2012 08:27 gangstarr wrote: Just to make it clear, there is a simple function within the most common maphack that pings the minimap when a drop ship is loaded, and then pings again in the spot that the unload command is directed. If he was maphacking it is clear that none of these drops would've made it through without him at least countering them weakly. I am nearly positive he does not hack just based on knowing the features that these maphacks provide and seeing the way Spades responded to certain situations he did not even make an effort to counter things that would easily have been noticed by him waaaaaaaaaaaay before they actually occurred. Edit: Yes I have maphacked in the past. There is a possibility that he was using a different program, no? I don't have an opinion really yet, but I'm leaning towards the fishy side. 10 second camera locks and random army movements are a lot to take in for a GM level terran. | ||
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Msr
Korea (South)495 Posts
On June 05 2012 08:29 divito wrote: The only really interesting tidbit from all of this is this notion that he selected an SCV outside his vision without a hotkey. Outside of that, this "camera lock" thing is unconvincing; simply because, for all the times I've gotten out of my chair quickly, taken a drink or a bite of something, it's easy to have your camera just sit there. I'm sure there are many people that have the same thing happen; sure, maybe not during a showmatch, but we can't say for sure how seriously he was taking it. didn't check the replay was the scv idle ? and was it his scv | ||
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Zarahtra
Iceland4053 Posts
On June 05 2012 08:28 Kyhol wrote: I hope that this accusation is false, especially for Spades sake. If this is true than he is an unforgivable scumbag. A man who does this deserves a solid punch to the face. The frustrating thing for Spades is, how the heck is he going to prove that it is false? Thanks to TL(and Illusion), this will be hanging onto him for a while atleast. I just really hope he doesn't let it effect him to much and just pwnz shit up in MLG to prove his worth. One way to look at it I suppose is, it's a new challenge for him, to get superb results on MLG  | ||
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