[?] Spades hacking? - Page 38

On June 05 2012 08:35 legaton wrote:


Come on, I remember that perfectly, and Idra didn't want to play Nerchio because he was 0-4 against him, thinks ZvZ is a "coin-flip" (yet, you can go 0-4, whatever) and he's just a quitter.

Stephano doesn't like Nerchio because Nerchio is a try-hard and not specially funny. But i remember once they played like 6 games in a row because Nerchio snipped him (Stephano didn't want to play custom games with him). it went like 3-3.

On June 05 2012 08:23 SpecialistSc wrote:
I don't know how to detect hacks, etc. but I had a chance to warm spades up right before his show match.

I dunno if this rep will help or not but I wanted to post this replay for further analysis

http://drop.sc/191525

On June 05 2012 08:37 avilo wrote:
I actually have accused spades b4 of hacking / called him out on it during a game I played on my stream before. He was former teammate so I gave him benefit of the doubt, but it seemed painfully obvious that he was gaining extraordinary perception in this game from ladder:

http://www.gamereplays.org/starcraft2/replays.php?game=33&show=details&id=264521

A few things make it painfully obvious. First off, he's doing an exact mirror build off of zero scouting which is incredibly rare to happen. But that's not where the lulz come.

I then end up getting contained, but I decided to purposely "bait" him a couple times and see how he reacts during this contain to verify if he's hacking or not.

Every high level TvTer can verify how questionable and suspicious the decisions are from 13:00 min in this game during the contain.

First, note the perfect placement of his tanks just outside of the range of my already pre-sieged tanks...could be luck, but suspicious to start.

Next, I purposely make a viking flower as if I am going to leap frog tanks to gain vision over his tanks. Spades has zero vikings.

13:23, he looks where my tanks are, send a marine forward, standard to confirm, but he has no scans, and he doesn't seem to be afraid at all of my tanks moving forward at all...

13:30 he gets energy to scan now, that every high level TvT would save if they want to keep this contain up, otherwise they may just retreat without vikings for vision.

13:34 HE MULES, still not saving scans...leaving every tank sieged still, while knowing that I have the viking advantage for vision, notice my tanks have not moved an inch and he is not worrying about his tanks at all even though he knows he has no way to get vision...WTF?

13:41 This is where my detective work comes in. I make a viking flower pretending that i am about to leap frog my tanks forward. But I leave all my tanks purposely sieged in the same spot. He obviously is looking through the fog of war and sees that I have not moved them, every good player here throws up a scan, but he knows they are in the same exact position as before, so he does not move his tanks away, and he used the mule. He does walk a marine forward though.

13:50 He has a scan available now.
14:09 Another marine moves forward
14:30 Notice this is the first time that I unsiege any tanks near the contain, and what I plan next is to purposely feint a leapfrog forward and then insta-move back to see if he insta-scans.

Keep in mind, every single instance before this that I have viking flowered as if leapfrogging forward, he has never reacted at all, no scan.

14:36 I make the final "bait" move here and I purposely do not viking flower to see how he reacts. The instant I move the tanks forward he insta-moves his screen to that location, insta-scans, and I did not siege because, like I said, I was already suspicious at that point and was curious how he would react.

Incredibly suspicious imo...some would say incredibly obvious as well. I was streaming at the time, and even more curious was spades was immediately on my stream out of no where to immediately defend himself...-_-

On June 05 2012 08:35 starcraft911 wrote:


Try this out... I want you to make a game and without hotkeying any of your workers I want you to move your camera to the middle of the screen. Now without moving your camera or using control groups I want you to select a single scv.

This is what happened and it's the product of using a camera freeze which is part of the map hack package. The proof has nothing to do with any of the choices that were made in the game. If you look specifically at the mechanics in the sc2 engine and view what's being broken you'll understand. If you're stuck on what units he made to counter what you'll never get it.

On June 05 2012 08:35 starcraft911 wrote:


Try this out... I want you to make a game and without hotkeying any of your workers I want you to move your camera to the middle of the screen. Now without moving your camera or using control groups I want you to select a single scv.

This is what happened and it's the product of using a camera freeze which is part of the map hack package. The proof has nothing to do with any of the choices that were made in the game. If you look specifically at the mechanics in the sc2 engine and view what's being broken you'll understand. If you're stuck on what units he made to counter what you'll never get it.

On June 05 2012 08:35 starcraft911 wrote:


Try this out... I want you to make a game and without hotkeying any of your workers I want you to move your camera to the middle of the screen. Now without moving your camera or using control groups I want you to select a single scv.

This is what happened and it's the product of using a camera freeze which is part of the map hack package. The proof has nothing to do with any of the choices that were made in the game. If you look specifically at the mechanics in the sc2 engine and view what's being broken you'll understand. If you're stuck on what units he made to counter what you'll never get it.

On June 05 2012 08:37 Picklebread wrote:

Oh so Stephano told you that?

On June 05 2012 08:28 TheWorldToCome wrote:


Stephano has said the only zerg he doesn't like to play is Nerchio, and that Nerchio plays a "weird style."

On June 05 2012 06:56 Agh wrote:
Honestly nothing in the OP made me raise my eyebrow except:




Also it's my understanding that this was a 'showmatch', in which I assume was streamed? I'm not sure how so many people are looking past that if that is the case.

On June 05 2012 08:35 legaton wrote:


Come on, I remember that perfectly, and Idra didn't want to play Nerchio because he was 0-4 against him, thinks ZvZ is a "coin-flip" (yet, you can go 0-4, whatever) and he's just a quitter.

Stephano doesn't like Nerchio because Nerchio is a try-hard and not specially funny. But i remember once they played like 6 games in a row because Nerchio snipped him (Stephano didn't want to play custom games with him). it went like 3-3.

On June 05 2012 08:39 Defacer wrote:
I don't know shit about hacking.

On June 05 2012 08:35 starcraft911 wrote:


Try this out... I want you to make a game and without hotkeying any of your workers I want you to move your camera to the middle of the screen. Now without moving your camera or using control groups I want you to select a single scv.

This is what happened and it's the product of using a camera freeze which is part of the map hack package. The proof has nothing to do with any of the choices that were made in the game. If you look specifically at the mechanics in the sc2 engine and view what's being broken you'll understand. If you're stuck on what units he made to counter what you'll never get it.

You seem to think this is a debate in which case your opinion matters, but the debate has ended. Facts are there and if you choose to ignore them then you're a fool. Again, it has nothing to do with what units were made or what timings things happened, or even what was scouted. Attempt my challenge to you and you'll quickly realize that this case is a wrap.

On June 05 2012 07:09 jax1492 wrote:
well done ... not going to say he is a hacker yet but after reading this im leaning that way.