[?] Spades hacking? - Page 39

On June 05 2012 08:35 Holytornados wrote:


Random army movements that are for almost perfect blind defenses?

On June 05 2012 08:37 avilo wrote:
I actually have accused spades b4 of hacking / called him out on it during a game I played on my stream before. He was former teammate so I gave him benefit of the doubt, but it seemed painfully obvious that he was gaining extraordinary perception in this game from ladder:

http://www.gamereplays.org/starcraft2/replays.php?game=33&show=details&id=264521

A few things make it painfully obvious. First off, he's doing an exact mirror build off of zero scouting which is incredibly rare to happen. But that's not where the lulz come.

I then end up getting contained, but I decided to purposely "bait" him a couple times and see how he reacts during this contain to verify if he's hacking or not.

Every high level TvTer can verify how questionable and suspicious the decisions are from 13:00 min in this game during the contain.

First, note the perfect placement of his tanks just outside of the range of my already pre-sieged tanks...could be luck, but suspicious to start.

Next, I purposely make a viking flower as if I am going to leap frog tanks to gain vision over his tanks. Spades has zero vikings.

13:23, he looks where my tanks are, send a marine forward, standard to confirm, but he has no scans, and he doesn't seem to be afraid at all of my tanks moving forward at all...

13:30 he gets energy to scan now, that every high level TvT would save if they want to keep this contain up, otherwise they may just retreat without vikings for vision.

13:34 HE MULES, still not saving scans...leaving every tank sieged still, while knowing that I have the viking advantage for vision, notice my tanks have not moved an inch and he is not worrying about his tanks at all even though he knows he has no way to get vision...WTF?

13:41 This is where my detective work comes in. I make a viking flower pretending that i am about to leap frog my tanks forward. But I leave all my tanks purposely sieged in the same spot. He obviously is looking through the fog of war and sees that I have not moved them, every good player here throws up a scan, but he knows they are in the same exact position as before, so he does not move his tanks away, and he used the mule. He does walk a marine forward though.

13:50 He has a scan available now.
14:09 Another marine moves forward
14:30 Notice this is the first time that I unsiege any tanks near the contain, and what I plan next is to purposely feint a leapfrog forward and then insta-move back to see if he insta-scans.

Keep in mind, every single instance before this that I have viking flowered as if leapfrogging forward, he has never reacted at all, no scan.

14:36 I make the final "bait" move here and I purposely do not viking flower to see how he reacts. The instant I move the tanks forward he insta-moves his screen to that location, insta-scans, and I did not siege because, like I said, I was already suspicious at that point and was curious how he would react.

Incredibly suspicious imo...some would say incredibly obvious as well. I was streaming at the time, and even more curious was spades was immediately on my stream out of no where to immediately defend himself...-_-

On June 05 2012 08:36 oxxo wrote:


He should explain how in Antiga at 9:11 he sits his screen for almost 10 seconds while 'macroing' and lets 4 SCVs go in gas (while on screen) AND gets supply blocked.

On June 05 2012 08:44 noxn wrote:


Not saying Spades isn't a hacker, since he's seemed fishy to me before, but dude... avilo, you call EVERYONE out as a hacker. You've called me out as a hacker on three separate occasions... all three when I was streaming lol. Just saying, it's hard to take you seriously when it's such a common occurrence.

On June 05 2012 08:45 starcraft911 wrote:


There is no explanation other than the truth. He's a maphacker. I've been around the RTS scene from the conception of replays and it's always the same story. He's going to deny everything and deflect as if he's a victim. He's going to focus on things such as 'fog', "well i always look at fog before i scan..." as if that actually matters, but the actions that are controllable by ANY player such as looking at fog doesn't prove anything.

Spades will NEVER address how he selects units that are NOT hotkeyed while he stares blindly at the middle of the screen because there is no explanation other than he's hacking. Plain and simple.

I think once Spades realizes that he's been caught and mans up this will all blow over, but there's no better proof of maphack than what's laid before us.

On June 05 2012 08:34 Holytornados wrote:


Spades said earlier in his response that he was performing other actions while the screen was locked (macroing).

If he were at the computer why would he randomly decide to let the screen sit still?

On June 05 2012 08:44 Spades wrote:
Oh I remember when you accused me of streamcheating avilo. Your fans all started yelling at me and I came to stream to defend myself. I made all my points really clear, you see me getting tarred and feathered and come to bring up something already counter explained. Pretty fucked up. Anyways I've said all I can. I'm just going to focus on preparing for mlg/wcs. Hopefully this will all blow over, I don't want to fan the flames.

On June 05 2012 08:37 avilo wrote:
I actually have accused spades b4 of hacking / called him out on it during a game I played on my stream before. He was former teammate so I gave him benefit of the doubt, but it seemed painfully obvious that he was gaining extraordinary perception in this game from ladder:

http://www.gamereplays.org/starcraft2/replays.php?game=33&show=details&id=264521

A few things make it painfully obvious. First off, he's doing an exact mirror build off of zero scouting which is incredibly rare to happen. But that's not where the lulz come.

I then end up getting contained, but I decided to purposely "bait" him a couple times and see how he reacts during this contain to verify if he's hacking or not.

Every high level TvTer can verify how questionable and suspicious the decisions are from 13:00 min in this game during the contain.

First, note the perfect placement of his tanks just outside of the range of my already pre-sieged tanks...could be luck, but suspicious to start.

Next, I purposely make a viking flower as if I am going to leap frog tanks to gain vision over his tanks. Spades has zero vikings.

13:23, he looks where my tanks are, send a marine forward, standard to confirm, but he has no scans, and he doesn't seem to be afraid at all of my tanks moving forward at all...

13:30 he gets energy to scan now, that every high level TvT would save if they want to keep this contain up, otherwise they may just retreat without vikings for vision.

13:34 HE MULES, still not saving scans...leaving every tank sieged still, while knowing that I have the viking advantage for vision, notice my tanks have not moved an inch and he is not worrying about his tanks at all even though he knows he has no way to get vision...WTF?

13:41 This is where my detective work comes in. I make a viking flower pretending that i am about to leap frog my tanks forward. But I leave all my tanks purposely sieged in the same spot. He obviously is looking through the fog of war and sees that I have not moved them, every good player here throws up a scan, but he knows they are in the same exact position as before, so he does not move his tanks away, and he used the mule. He does walk a marine forward though.

13:50 He has a scan available now.
14:09 Another marine moves forward
14:30 Notice this is the first time that I unsiege any tanks near the contain, and what I plan next is to purposely feint a leapfrog forward and then insta-move back to see if he insta-scans.

Keep in mind, every single instance before this that I have viking flowered as if leapfrogging forward, he has never reacted at all, no scan.

14:36 I make the final "bait" move here and I purposely do not viking flower to see how he reacts. The instant I move the tanks forward he insta-moves his screen to that location, insta-scans, and I did not siege because, like I said, I was already suspicious at that point and was curious how he would react.

Incredibly suspicious imo...some would say incredibly obvious as well. I was streaming at the time, and even more curious was spades was immediately on my stream out of no where to immediately defend himself...-_-

On June 05 2012 08:45 starcraft911 wrote:


There is no explanation other than the truth. He's a maphacker. I've been around the RTS scene from the conception of replays and it's always the same story. He's going to deny everything and deflect as if he's a victim. He's going to focus on things such as 'fog', "well i always look at fog before i scan..." as if that actually matters, but the actions that are controllable by ANY player such as looking at fog doesn't prove anything.

Spades will NEVER address how he selects units that are NOT hotkeyed while he stares blindly at the middle of the screen because there is no explanation other than he's hacking. Plain and simple.

I think once Spades realizes that he's been caught and mans up this will all blow over, but there's no better proof of maphack than what's laid before us.

On June 05 2012 08:46 bokchoi wrote:
avilo isn't exactly the most reputable player out there...

Interested in seeing real pro players opinions on this. Until then I will save any judgment.

Side note, why must the SC2 community be so dramatic and witch hunt everybody :[

On June 05 2012 08:47 sekalf wrote:


You still havent said in what game and at what time stamp he does this impossible thing with the scv?

On June 05 2012 08:46 bokchoi wrote:
avilo isn't exactly the most reputable player out there...

Interested in seeing real pro players opinions on this. Until then I will save any judgment.

Side note, why must the SC2 community be so dramatic and witch hunt everybody :[

On June 05 2012 08:47 sekalf wrote:


You still havent said in what game and at what time stamp he does this impossible thing with the scv?