[?] Spades hacking? - Page 137

On June 05 2012 19:11 Bromazepam wrote:


He still had a speck of vision in the top left corner. You can easily see it by following his camera until it looks like it's entirely in the FoW, put vision to Everyone, select something of Lucifron and press and release 'V' repeatedly. You will see a blinking area in the top left, Spades' vision appearing and disappearing.

By the way, I want to make clear that I'm not against Spades, I'm just using the non-decision related evidence I have to say what it looks like to me.

On June 05 2012 19:11 shadymmj wrote:
suppose a robbery happened on high street, with a 100 bucks stolen in cash by a tall man.

2 hours later a tall man was found wandering on the next street, who happened to have a past record of robbery, about a 100 bucks in his wallet, and no alibi. the next day his name appears in bold headlines in the papers: "SENSATIONAL! This man could have robbed a store last night!"

and TL is the newspaper.

On June 05 2012 19:09 Hittomogasin wrote:


Yah right. Besides, if not in TL, there are plenty of forums where these kinds of things get discussed on abundance. Links to these discussions would be posted, tweeted and discussed in podcasts etc even if the gods damn TL server machine was taken down. Can of worms has been opened, now you gotta deal with it.

Atleast people know what is the opinion of the people when someone gets busted for hacking... People know hes capable and willing to hack, that is what makes it so bad in my opinion. Spades has already gotten a second change.

On June 05 2012 19:05 Imbu wrote:

The only problem is that in the current SC2 community, there are two major places where one can make a statement, TL and Reddit. As long as the topic is active on one of those two sites, the issue will never go away (if TL had closed the Destiny thread, he still would have had the same repercussions from the Reddit threads).

Similarly, as I've mentioned before, if someone from TL were to have similar accusations thrown against them, the number of people who actually would take the time to analyze the replays would increase exponentially. This is not a question of favorites, but rather that Spades is an easy target because very few people hold any previous opinion towards him and is the "map hacking pro" that people have been looking for in the past weeks.

On a final note, TL.net and TL are different enough that I'm confident the thread would have stayed open if it involved a TL player and similar circumstances occurred (ie. Another professional came out saying that the allegations are probably true). I hope that day never comes.

On June 05 2012 19:22 Starshaped wrote:
Why has this thread continued to grow so much? Just watch the Cloud Kingdom game... He undeniably hacks.

On June 05 2012 19:20 anomalopidae wrote:
all I see in this thread is a 1 post guy making a thread, never updating it, never replying to the thread with recent join date saying that some pro cheated based on his circumstantial evidence...
why is this thread even open? the guy who posted the OP should be banned on all of his accounts since all he wanted to create with this thread is drama

On June 05 2012 12:13 Mirhi wrote:
Well, while it's bad form to throw someone under the bus, I'm just going to do it because all this came out and I have a fact that actually matters.

Spades stream cheated during showmatches that he played while he lived with me at what was the Reign house. It's a carry over from the stream cheating that many Koreans do in the Korean prohouses (Both Spades and Artist have confirmed with me that Koreans frequently stream cheat in team leagues and showmatches against foreigners out of pride).

If ever I saw it happen when I was in the house, I would immediately try to stop them, but I know on occasion it still occured, most notably in a match Spades played against Gatored last year.

About maphacking, I have no idea and have no opinion on the matter other than either option wouldn't surprise me.

I would want to say though, that cheating occurs way more than people realize, and I actually would not be so hard on him for this evidence, even if it is true. Players better than Spades actively cheat, particularly stream cheat or simply ghosting, because of how easy it is.

Example - Leenock was over a player's shoulder at MLG Providence helping them during a game, giving them hints in Korean.

It's pretty common.

On June 05 2012 15:51 Raelcun wrote:
I really don't even know what to say about such a ridiculous accusation against Leenock. I was the only FXO staff in attendance for Providence. I had access to the player area because of it and used it to watch matches. Koreans frequently talked to each other between games, and during warmups. I NEVER saw any of them talk to each other during an active match, I have never seen ANY player interact with someone during an active match. This is during both Columbus events, Anaheim, Providence etc.

If one of the Koreans was watching another during game, they were rarely the only one. The only times in which they were able to do this was late in the tournament, so there would be a crowd of Koreans around one match, or trying to watch two at once. There wasn't really the possibility of this happening because if player hangs out in the player area for too long during active matches and they aren't playing they get shown out by the referees within a few minutes. They start to relax this near the end when not every station is full, but if too many people start hanging out they tell all the non coaches/VIPs to leave. But again this only starts to happen near the end when there are always multiple people around, there is literally no time for a player to do such a thing. It's frankly not possible because of all the people watching.

The only time in which Leenock could have been over the shoulder and not been told to leave was during warmups. The Koreans often joke and talk during warmups though. Most likely someone saw them talking while they were getting ready, saw that there was a game on screen and though they were talking during a match.

The fact that this was even stated as a serious accusation is just stupid, because anyone who's been to MLG in the player areas knows all this.

On June 05 2012 19:23 Defacer wrote:


There are threads that should run wild and free and threads that should be heavily modded.

What makes TL -- and the SC2 community overall -- so special is that Pro's actually communicate with the fans and the online community. Allowing a player to be put on trial in the public square by an anonymous accuser, regardless of the evidence, is simply a bad precedent to set for the community.

I think it's very disingenuous and irresponsible for TL to pretend they can just be an non-existent third party in this discussion. They should either get involved in verifying or championing the legitimacy of the claim or shut down the thread, due to it's seriousness.

They're basically allowing another team's player to be ruined professionally on their website. I hope the mods know what their doing because it's a reflection of TL's position and how they believe the community should police players.

all I see in this thread is a 1 post guy making a thread, never updating it, never replying to the thread with recent join date saying that some pro cheated based on his circumstantial evidence...
why is this thread even open? the guy who posted the OP should be banned on all of his accounts since all he wanted to create with this thread is drama Last edit: 2012-06-05 19:20:58

On June 05 2012 19:31 MyXoMoPBL wrote:
Alot of talk about ruining his career, his official fanclub has 4 members. What career?