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SecondSandwich
United States319 Posts
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oOOoOphidian
United States1402 Posts
On June 12 2012 11:55 SecondSandwich wrote: Any word yet when the season will end? I haven't found anything yet. Tomorrow at 5am PST | ||
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Kaladin
United States88 Posts
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The_Templar
your Country52798 Posts
On June 12 2012 12:37 Kaladin wrote: This may be a stupid question but judging promotions by points doesn't make sense to me. I didn't really ladder a whole lot until this season (finally decided it's time to start trying to get good for real :D), so I don't remember how the previous beginnings of seasons worked, but after your placement match, don't you always start out with 0 points in your division? If you are already really high diamond and close to a promotion, how would you get up to the same high amount of points you had the previous season? Or would you just get promoted with a low amount of points? Besides that, how is it possible to tell how close you are to promotion if in previous seasons you had high amounts of points as well, meaning you had to have won more than you lost in those seasons, too. Also, is there any way to estimate what "tier" I am in. I have been in Diamond since Season 1, and I was demoted to platinum in either season 4 or 5 and made it back to diamond in that same season. Now, like I stated before, I am rank 4 764 points (all bonus pool spent) and playing low-mid masters about 50% of the time. You do start with 0 points, but you face the same skill level of opponents as you did before the new season. Not sure about tiers unfortunately :/ Edit: Didn't quite answer the first part- You can get promoted with a low amount of points if you were close to promotion before the new season. You're not actually expected to get the same number of points as you had last season quickly; as a matter of fact, it should take all season to get that high up (although hopefully you'll get there faster-->possible promotion). | ||
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Kaladin
United States88 Posts
On June 12 2012 12:48 TehTemplar wrote: You do start with 0 points, but you face the same skill level of opponents as you did before the new season. Not sure about tiers unfortunately :/ Edit: Didn't quite answer the first part- You can get promoted with a low amount of points if you were close to promotion before the new season. You're not actually expected to get the same number of points as you had last season quickly; as a matter of fact, it should take all season to get that high up (although hopefully you'll get there faster-->possible promotion). What I don't understand is how it would be possible to get that many points again. You would have to win more than you lose which means your MMR would keep increasing and you would be playing better and better players, meaning it would be harder to win enough games to get that many points  | ||
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LOLZEY
Canada71 Posts
On June 12 2012 07:15 Excalibur_Z wrote: Should be right above the border, pretty high probability. Hi Excalibur, I am currently rank 4 Diamond with 649 points (232 points adjusted). I am teams-even with diamonds that exceed 800 points and some low-mid masters (I'm on a 6-win streak). Strangely enough, the number 1 diamond in my division is only sitting around 700 points (which makes me think that I am in a higher-tier diamond division). What should my chances of promotion to Masters be for Season 8? | ||
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Excalibur_Z
United States12260 Posts
On June 12 2012 12:37 Kaladin wrote: This may be a stupid question but judging promotions by points doesn't make sense to me. I didn't really ladder a whole lot until this season (finally decided it's time to start trying to get good for real :D), so I don't remember how the previous beginnings of seasons worked, but after your placement match, don't you always start out with 0 points in your division? If you are already really high diamond and close to a promotion, how would you get up to the same high amount of points you had the previous season? Or would you just get promoted with a low amount of points? Besides that, how is it possible to tell how close you are to promotion if in previous seasons you had high amounts of points as well, meaning you had to have won more than you lost in those seasons, too. Also, is there any way to estimate what "tier" I am in. I have been in Diamond since Season 1, and I was demoted to platinum in either season 4 or 5 and made it back to diamond in that same season. Now, like I stated before, I am rank 4 764 points (all bonus pool spent) and playing low-mid masters about 50% of the time. You can't 100% judge promotions by points because promotions are determined by MMR and nothing else, but with enough stability, points will begin to approach MMR and theoretically everyone will have a rough MMR-points equilibrium. Tiers contain hidden point offsets such that it's "easier" to earn points in lower tiers versus higher tiers, but the tradeoff is you're starting off at a lower skill level. Think of it like a tournament where the high-seed player actually starts off the bracket in the 3rd or 4th round but the low-seed player starts off in the 1st round. Eventually the best players from the early rounds are going to face the high-seed player, but he's already proven himself (that's why he has the high seed). The higher your division tier, the closer you are to promotion. Deriving your division tier is not an exact science because to do so accurately, you have to know the division tiers of your opponents, which are also hidden. However, with enough data points, it's possible. You can download the Matchmaking Rating Tool plugin for SC2Gears which will manage a close estimation of how close you are to a promotion. As for your current situation, if we assume that your points closely represent your MMR, then we have the following data to consider (these are Not_That's latest estimations and are not accurate, but they're pretty close): Adjusted Points Required Master: 0 Diamond Tier 1: 130 Diamond Tier 2: 180 Diamond Tier 3: 230 Diamond Tier 4: 280 Diamond Tier 5: 330 Diamond Tier 6: 380 Diamond Tier 7: 430 For example, if you started in the lowest tier, you'd need about 430 adjusted points (technically speaking you'd need that equivalent in MMR). However if you started in the highest tier, you'd only need 130. You said you have 764 points, less the 417 bonus pool, equals 347 adjusted points. This means you'd be pretty safe if you were in Tiers 1 through 5. Since you say you've been facing Masters for quite a long time already, it probably means you're in a higher tier (since if you were in a lower tier, your MMR would still be around the border and you'd be playing against roughly equal numbers of Diamonds and Masters). | ||
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Kaladin
United States88 Posts
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DougJDempsey
747 Posts
is this confirmed? | ||
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Maxhster
Fiji473 Posts
its during weekly maintenance, so yes. | ||
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Enki
United States2548 Posts
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pallad
Poland1958 Posts
On June 12 2012 14:02 Enki wrote: Haven't touched ladder since D3 came out....time to try to get rid of my bonus pool at least. What bonus pool? They reset bonus pool already -_- | ||
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KiNGxXx
7928 Posts
On June 12 2012 22:21 pallad wrote: What bonus pool? They reset bonus pool already -_- No, you still have your bonus pool but it's not growing anymore. | ||
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Kaladin
United States88 Posts
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Raven068
United States90 Posts
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[Noman]
19 Posts
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ashortstory
Brazil160 Posts
is it possible i get GM ? since GM league will open next week, during this one we'll all face cheeses and all-in which is too risky for someone who perhaps will get to GM, no? or should i keep playing and not limit a certain amount of small games? | ||
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Raven068
United States90 Posts
On June 13 2012 01:13 [Noman] wrote: There were 417 bonus pool points in season 7? So If I finished diamond with 847 points I have "fixed" 430 points, which means I have a pretty good chance to be in masters next season? I'm fairly sure that the normal + - values for games still apply. It just won't have a bonus attached to it. | ||
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shadowrunner99
Belarus93 Posts
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-Kyo-
Japan1927 Posts
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