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You have to provide some kind of evidence/proof (screenshots/replays etc.) if you are going to accuse somebody.
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On May 28 2012 20:22 Cattivik wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 20:19 Mentalizor wrote:On May 28 2012 20:09 VoO wrote:
Half the Master league on EU is maphacking. Nothing you can do about it. Not true. Why would you say this? Do you have any replays to back this up? Half the master league players are a huuuuge portion of players. I've played like 1500 1v1's in master league and I've only ever played 3-4 maphackers. This is really not a huge issue on EU You've discovered 3-4 maphackers. There might be enough smart ones who don't make obvious moves, scout normally and just use the minimap to gain positioning advantages and bust hidden expos, or getting perfect runby/drop timings.
...Half the people in masters EU maphack? lmao. Nice claim you got there.
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On May 28 2012 20:27 Akriloth wrote:
It is sad that these stuff happen in SC2 :/ i remember getting 6 pooled by a zerg at a 4 player map when i was in diamond(no scout at all)...
Eh I don't really think that's too suspicious. I've done stuff like that while on tilt against Protoss, sometimes I get lucky, sometimes I don't.
It's kind of funny rolling in with a minute late 6 pool sometimes lol.
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On May 28 2012 13:33 Pinna wrote:
I feel like that blizzard really doesn't give a fu*k about all the hackers in StarCraft 2. For how many months did the RatZ dude (Can't rembember his name) go on until he was finally banned, banning almost-innocent destiny at the same time?
The report-function in game, I 100% believe that they don't even monitor that. You can spam the report, write tons of shit on those, and still nothing happens.
StarCraft 2 doesn't even have it's own gamemasters, and some of the gamemasters have no idea about starcraft.. (tickets)
Personally, I have gotten the feeling that Blizzard doesn't give a shit about anything, except if it can get them money. Much money.
Welcome to capitalist America 
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On May 28 2012 19:45 NeMeSiS3 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 19:36 Orracle wrote:On May 28 2012 19:28 NeMeSiS3 wrote:
I always take "proof" with a grain of salt, seeing as other than visual evidence, nothing else is present. Anywho, if they hack, hope they're banned but I won't raise my pitchfork with the mob just yet. Not sure what other evidence you'd want. What other proof is there to spot a maphack? Audio? Since BW I've seen my share of funky games where someone just knows what the other player is doing, sees everything coming and 100% was not hacking (playing chaos on iccup), so seeing this here and there isn't surprising.
quite a bad troll, keep trying.
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On May 28 2012 16:31 Moosegills wrote:http://www.livestream.com/shapestream =his stream production tab, supply and money count, the whole works... the best part-his record really isn't that good and he has all of that
ROFL
this guy even streams with his hack on? (check vods)
how shameless.
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I can accept that Blizzard's anti-hack system is flawed, I can understand they are getting spammed with false reports every minute and that is kinda hard (or at least requires a lot of manpower) for them to pinpoint real hackers BUT how the f*** hackers like this Impa are still playing? He is known hacker for so long, he doesn't even try to hide it and he still has his account intact. Really Blizzard? 
Idea that there are hackers in GM is troubling, if you can't globally monitor and fight against hackers from every league at least keep an eye on damn Grandmaster league, it is disgrace having hackers taking GM slots.
I hope many people post on that Bnet forum thread, maybe that will be enough for Blizzard to at least get rid of one known hacker.
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i have noticed this on the eu server as well. i played a protoss a couple of times and even though he didnt peak at my base at all, he somehow always does the same build as me but a few seconds later(pvp). i checked his matchhistory and in other pvps it's the same.
no probe scout and even though he builds 1 obs, he doesnt scout with it but somehow always knows when and where my obs flies in to scout, where i hide a pylon or where i attack. dunno whether or not it is maphack, but it is more than strange. also, last season he was about 600 points in master and now suprisingly got a massive skill boost and is nearing gm...
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While you may occasionally catch a hacker by looking at replays and what not the real scary thing is that in 99% of cases you won't even be able to tell that they hacked. I got frustrated myself by playing people who openly claimed that they maphacked so I went and researched how these hacks actually works to give myself and edge in spotting them. I figured if I know what people can do with the hacks then I could spot it easier. The result is that I now know that almost everyone who hacks against me, I will never even know that they did.
All of the current hacks have features that for example can either lock their "official camera" on a location or even ghost it to move around their base in a pre-designed pattern. Meanwhile they are looking around in your base and anywhere they please yet in the replay or to an observer their camera will be somewhere completely different.
On top of that, they don't actually need to look at your base anyway because they will also be able to bring up the production tab and just see what you are making and if they are at a risk of losing they can still drop you or cause the score to glitch to get a tied game. There are hacks with all of these features available at the same time.
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I watched the VODs of his stream. Fucking shameless behaviour. He just chats like hes playing the game properly.
So:
We have multiple players and PRO Players reporting him for maphacking.
We have multiple threads saying he hacks with replays.
We even have VOD's and livestreams of him hacking and yet he continues to not be banned.
What the hell?
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On May 28 2012 20:53 ShoWTimE94 wrote:
i have noticed this on the eu server as well. i played a protoss a couple of times and even though he didnt peak at my base at all, he somehow always does the same build as me but a few seconds later(pvp). i checked his matchhistory and in other pvps it's the same.
no probe scout and even though he builds 1 obs, he doesnt scout with it but somehow always knows when and where my obs flies in to scout, where i hide a pylon or where i attack. dunno whether or not it is maphack, but it is more than strange. also, last season he was about 600 points in master and now suprisingly got a massive skill boost and is nearing gm...
can you pm me the nickname of this guy?
lol just watched his stream VOD's, even though he is cheating he plays so bad that I wonder how he managed to get into GM. I need a NA account asap xD
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Perhpas someone should post the streamlink in the Bnet forum, too.
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On May 28 2012 20:24 B.I.G. wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 13:33 Pinna wrote:
I feel like that blizzard really doesn't give a fu*k about all the hackers in StarCraft 2. For how many months did the RatZ dude (Can't rembember his name) go on until he was finally banned, banning almost-innocent destiny at the same time?
The report-function in game, I 100% believe that they don't even monitor that. You can spam the report, write tons of shit on those, and still nothing happens.
StarCraft 2 doesn't even have it's own gamemasters, and some of the gamemasters have no idea about starcraft.. (tickets)
Personally, I have gotten the feeling that Blizzard doesn't give a shit about anything, except if it can get them money. Much money. What did you expect when you hit the report button? An immediate response saying: "Forgive us for displeasing you master! What would you have us do?" or something? It's probably just that if a certain player gets reported for the same thing over and over again that they start investigating him. And I'm glad they do it that way because there are probably a whole lot of frustrated fucks out there who falsely report you for hacking or harassment because they lost.
Well, considering I once wrote "fuck you asshole" on the report-message and reported the person like 10 times, I don't really think Blizz cares about the reports. You also never get to know, has anything actually happened, because if has, It's just really minor, like a 24-hour ban from chatting or something ridicilous like that (for swearing)
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On May 28 2012 20:55 VanGarde wrote:
While you may occasionally catch a hacker by looking at replays and what not the real scary thing is that in 99% of cases you won't even be able to tell that they hacked. I got frustrated myself by playing people who openly claimed that they maphacked so I went and researched how these hacks actually works to give myself and edge in spotting them. I figured if I know what people can do with the hacks then I could spot it easier. The result is that I now know that almost everyone who hacks against me, I will never even know that they did.
All of the current hacks have features that for example can either lock their "official camera" on a location or even ghost it to move around their base in a pre-designed pattern. Meanwhile they are looking around in your base and anywhere they please yet in the replay or to an observer their camera will be somewhere completely different.
On top of that, they don't actually need to look at your base anyway because they will also be able to bring up the production tab and just see what you are making and if they are at a risk of losing they can still drop you or cause the score to glitch to get a tied game. There are hacks with all of these features available at the same time.
that is good to know because it's exactly what i could see in the replay(or could not see^^). the camera just didnt move very much and he also had very low apm because he probably checked my base.
hope blizzard reacts fast. it's already super annoying.
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On May 28 2012 20:55 VanGarde wrote:
While you may occasionally catch a hacker by looking at replays and what not the real scary thing is that in 99% of cases you won't even be able to tell that they hacked. I got frustrated myself by playing people who openly claimed that they maphacked so I went and researched how these hacks actually works to give myself and edge in spotting them. I figured if I know what people can do with the hacks then I could spot it easier. The result is that I now know that almost everyone who hacks against me, I will never even know that they did.
All of the current hacks have features that for example can either lock their "official camera" on a location or even ghost it to move around their base in a pre-designed pattern. Meanwhile they are looking around in your base and anywhere they please yet in the replay or to an observer their camera will be somewhere completely different.
On top of that, they don't actually need to look at your base anyway because they will also be able to bring up the production tab and just see what you are making and if they are at a risk of losing they can still drop you or cause the score to glitch to get a tied game. There are hacks with all of these features available at the same time.
That's...kind of terrifying how sophisticated some of these hacks are.
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I'll have to quote myself as it would seem that many of you think that it's all Blizzard's fault:
...no matter how many times Blizzard is improving Warden it won't help. In fact, Warden is working perfectly fine, but the way hacks are developed today is like a completely different language to Warden that it cannot understand or recognize. Most hacks today do not even come close to StarCraft 2 -- they're external, meaning that the software detects the executable file through memory and creates a virtual overlay across your screen to give you the extra "menu" you want, much like how hacks in FPS games work. Warden cannot detect this, because there's literally nothing for it to detect. Blizzard would have to scan this memory in order to catch hackers on-the-go but that'd be a breach on the law of privacy.
TL;DR, like many other developers around the globe, in order to catch up with hackers of 2012, as a developer, you'd have to execute alternative methods in order to get rid of hackers, methods of which are currently illegal in terms of consumer-privacy. (see; consumer privacy, bill of rights -- data security/breach, https://www.cdt.org/issue/data-securitybreach)
This is due to the illegal software being external and rooted locally from memory cache.
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On May 28 2012 13:51 CarelessPride wrote:
nearly half the ladder from master- GM are maphackers I've stopped playing sc2 entirely and most of my freinds have as well its complete bullshit. just watch the replay for random reactions and sudden decision making that a normal player wouldnt do =.=.
Nearly half = 1/500??
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On May 28 2012 21:23 KrazyTrumpet wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 20:55 VanGarde wrote:
While you may occasionally catch a hacker by looking at replays and what not the real scary thing is that in 99% of cases you won't even be able to tell that they hacked. I got frustrated myself by playing people who openly claimed that they maphacked so I went and researched how these hacks actually works to give myself and edge in spotting them. I figured if I know what people can do with the hacks then I could spot it easier. The result is that I now know that almost everyone who hacks against me, I will never even know that they did.
All of the current hacks have features that for example can either lock their "official camera" on a location or even ghost it to move around their base in a pre-designed pattern. Meanwhile they are looking around in your base and anywhere they please yet in the replay or to an observer their camera will be somewhere completely different.
On top of that, they don't actually need to look at your base anyway because they will also be able to bring up the production tab and just see what you are making and if they are at a risk of losing they can still drop you or cause the score to glitch to get a tied game. There are hacks with all of these features available at the same time. That's...kind of terrifying how sophisticated some of these hacks are.
To be honest, it would be strange otherwise - simple maphacks were available ten years ago, so surely there has to be some kind of progress. And as I said earlier, I guess the amount of dumb hackers is probably rather low. Most of them are definitely able to disguise their hacks properly so that never anything more than a suspicion remains.
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On May 28 2012 20:22 Cattivik wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 20:19 Mentalizor wrote:On May 28 2012 20:09 VoO wrote:
Half the Master league on EU is maphacking. Nothing you can do about it. Not true. Why would you say this? Do you have any replays to back this up? Half the master league players are a huuuuge portion of players. I've played like 1500 1v1's in master league and I've only ever played 3-4 maphackers. This is really not a huge issue on EU You've discovered 3-4 maphackers. There might be enough smart ones who don't make obvious moves, scout normally and just use the minimap to gain positioning advantages and bust hidden expos, or getting perfect runby/drop timings.
which would be still like, what 1%. Same feedback as Mentalizor on Eu, only one was obvious, and during a cw on 1000+ games.
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Watched replay.
100% maphack.
edit: This is Grandmaster? Why i am still in Diamond, when Toss sems so ez
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I'm not sure but I think LATcruZer on NA maphacks, here is a replay: ![[image loading]](http://www.gamereplays.org/community/uploads/repimgs/repimg-33-263800.jpg)
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