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TelecoM
United States10688 Posts
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phodacbiet
United States1740 Posts
On January 25 2015 09:11 GGzerG wrote: I have a question, as a top master zerg player since WOL beta, I'm honestly curious as to what race has the biggest disadvantage when playing vs a hacker do you think? And what race has the biggest advantage when using the maphack do you think? I feel like Zerg suffers the most when playing vs hackers , but this could just be my biased thoughts. I feel like Protoss would have the biggest disadvantage, followed by Terran, then Zerg. Protoss is a build order race (proxy, timings, cheese), and if the maphacker knows which build the Protoss is doing, countering it would be quite simple. Terran is in between and knowing which build the Terran is doing still isnt as game ending for the terran as it is for Toss. I feel like zerg would have the easiest time vs maphackers because the hacker would only have about 20-30 seconds to react because of how fast the larva comes out. It's not really rocket science to scout and find out what the zerg is building because they only place 1 building down for the unit that they need. A well placed scan or hallucinated scout can figure that out easily. Unless the zerg goes out of his way to proxy a spire or whatever, but in this case, all three races would suffer equally. I play Zerg and this is just how I see it from an objective point. Advantage wise, I think Zerg would have the greatest advantage, followed by Terran, and then Protoss. Since Zerg is a reactionary race, knowing exactly when to Drone and when to make units is a huge advantage. With Terran, maphacks protect them from oracle cheese, roach bust, or whatever shennanigans, but still not quite as important since their battle are largely micro based. But for Protoss, once you commit to a build, youre going to have to try your best to get it to work no matter what. So with Protoss, maphacks help them see where they can cheese and whatever, but they are still commited to a build order with or without the maphack. | ||
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Uroba
2 Posts
Hacker name: [xp]Prodigy battle.net profile Server: EU League: Diamond Description: 6 pool. Look how this gentleman is paving the way for lings without scouting. He looked on my buildings into the darkness. 50 apm and stupid hope that I will find him with last attempt. | ||
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TelecoM
United States10688 Posts
On January 25 2015 09:45 phodacbiet wrote: I feel like Protoss would have the biggest disadvantage, followed by Terran, then Zerg. Protoss is a build order race (proxy, timings, cheese), and if the maphacker knows which build the Protoss is doing, countering it would be quite simple. Terran is in between and knowing which build the Terran is doing still isnt as game ending for the terran as it is for Toss. I feel like zerg would have the easiest time vs maphackers because the hacker would only have about 20-30 seconds to react because of how fast the larva comes out. It's not really rocket science to scout and find out what the zerg is building because they only place 1 building down for the unit that they need. A well placed scan or hallucinated scout can figure that out easily. Unless the zerg goes out of his way to proxy a spire or whatever, but in this case, all three races would suffer equally. I play Zerg and this is just how I see it from an objective point. Advantage wise, I think Zerg would have the greatest advantage, followed by Terran, and then Protoss. Since Zerg is a reactionary race, knowing exactly when to Drone and when to make units is a huge advantage. With Terran, maphacks protect them from oracle cheese, roach bust, or whatever shennanigans, but still not quite as important since their battle are largely micro based. But for Protoss, once you commit to a build, youre going to have to try your best to get it to work no matter what. So with Protoss, maphacks help them see where they can cheese and whatever, but they are still commited to a build order with or without the maphack. Nice explanation, I think this sums it up well. I think you are right. | ||
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varsovie
Canada326 Posts
On January 25 2015 09:11 GGzerG wrote: I have a question, as a top master zerg player since WOL beta, I'm honestly curious as to what race has the biggest disadvantage when playing vs a hacker do you think? And what race has the biggest advantage when using the maphack do you think? I feel like Zerg suffers the most when playing vs hackers , but this could just be my biased thoughts. I won't link it here, but on a hacker forum the concensus was Terran gets the most advantages of full cheating (meaning maphack+spreading/kitting hack+production hack) since it's harder to get seen and you still have nice perks. A reaper "accidentally" scouting a proxy, or a scan just after you see the tech going down does a lot to not have any suspicious replays. Terran is often said to be the hardest race to macro, with automatic unit building queuing (and grouping), resource alert and production tabs it's largely offset. Then maphack (and even zoomout) is a huge boost to mech since it's a mostly positional way to play and some micro automation makes your marines fight like a boss (automatic focus fire and spreading, easier moving medevac drop). Of course the other races get a lot of advantages too by hacking. As for which gets the worse end of the stick I can't really say, but I feel mirror matches are the worse. | ||
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civi
Norway24 Posts
Hacker name: lllllllllllllll Race: Protoss Server: EU League: Master (3 times GM) Replay: http://drop.sc/392951 | ||
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zerge
Germany162 Posts
Server: Europe League: Platinum Race: Terran Profile: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/1404054/2/llllllllllll/ Replay: http://drop.sc/392978 Description: Maphack, Zoomed out I'm 99% sure this is the new account of the same guy who has been reported before (aka fake Taeja). He builds out of his vision again, no scout etc blind counter everything. Its so obvious to anyone watching from his perspective. He is platinum now but he will be masters soon i'm sure. | ||
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larrysc2
United States5 Posts
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/6363833/1/frozz/ Frozz (T) -new account, only 76 games NA Server Top 50 gm http://drop.sc/392977 He makes almost no effort to hide his hacks. 25 minute pvt. I fe into 2 base collosi allin. He never leaves his main or nat, but blindly goes 2 starport viking. level of suspicion alone, description, time stamp (0/10) Snipes observer as it arrives. (7:34) (9/10) Move commands to obscure proxy pylon (7:38) (3/10) Sends his first marine scout out just as my army arrives. (10:40) (10/10) Blindly prepares for stalker counter attack and is actively pulling back marines before sight. (18:29) 1/10) Terrible macro, third base at 24 minutes. 7/10) Blindly pushes up my ramp into what would be storms and forcefields, just as i've elevatored out of my main. (25:20) Hacking doesn't get more obvious than this one. edit: People have already concluded he's a hacker in this thread, but apparently its not the real frozz as he has a different hotkey setup. | ||
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TelecoM
United States10688 Posts
Server : NA Race : Protoss Rank : Diamond This is me playing on my smurf account, I open 10pool, he opens double 12 gate without scouting, chronos booth zealots out, looks through fog of war, expecting the attack . EDIT : Replay : http://drop.sc/392993 | ||
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Wildbuddha
37 Posts
On January 24 2015 10:23 bri9and wrote: I wanted to see how prevalent these hacks were so I googled, "Starcraft 2 Map Hack" and this came right up.. This has got to be illegal in some form or fashion.. Can't blizzard go after these sites with attorneys and at least try and fight the spread of this crap?! Map hacks have been an issue with RTS since their inception and it's sad that people resort to playing like that when it completely negates any accomplishment you may make. Blizzard has given this game Zero attention and it is starting to show. They need to kill warden and redesign it with a rootkit that can actively search your machine for malicious software. They do go after them click me Overall, I think the cheating thing is blown out of proportion. Unless it is on professional level, the damage of losing to a cheater is a bruised ego at worst. If my opponent is such a loser, that he needs to cheat on a online game to feel good about himself, I pitty him and let him have this moment of hollow joy in his otherwise (or so it seems) shitty life. Plus, I think a lot of people who yell "cheater" are just sore losers. I've been called cheater a few times and I'm not even that good. I even got called a cheater on my first day on the ladder and don't really know why he would've thought that. | ||
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brickrd
United States4894 Posts
On January 26 2015 17:59 Wildbuddha wrote: They do go after them click me Overall, I think the cheating thing is blown out of proportion. Unless it is on professional level, the damage of losing to a cheater is a bruised ego at worst. If my opponent is such a loser, that he needs to cheat on a online game to feel good about himself, I pitty him and let him have this moment of hollow joy in his otherwise (or so it seems) shitty life. Plus, I think a lot of people who yell "cheater" are just sore losers. I've been called cheater a few times and I'm not even that good. I even got called a cheater on my first day on the ladder and don't really know why he would've thought that. if you buy a single player game and get to a boss fight that's glitched so you can't win or can't use normal tactics to win then you're probably going to be annoyed about your investment since you're not getting a fair and equitable return of entertainment and enjoyment. you paid for a certain type of game experience and a technical glitch (which multiplayer hacking is analogous to) is a problem with the quality of the game experience. you're absolutely right that many people falsely call "hacker" because of being a sore loser but if you think that high level or even midlevel players can't also often identify real hacks because of their game knowledge then you are mistaken. this thread is largely (not exclusively, but largely) used by higher level players who know what they're talking about and want to share data on real, confirmed cheaters. | ||
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Rainmansc
Netherlands216 Posts
I can't even start uploading replays. Every 1 out of 3 games you get a hacker ^^ User was warned for this post | ||
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riceantrocks
7 Posts
Server: NA League: GM (was diamond at beginning of season, as in this replay) Race: Terran (sometimes random) Profile: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/6284112/1/Stephano/ Replay: http://ggtracker.com/matches/5741453 Description: Maphack. Looks into fog of war at invisible army. Stims whole army into invisibility. Multiple times. Still loses though. | ||
InfCereal
Canada1759 Posts
On January 26 2015 13:17 GGzerG wrote: Name : RoffleKopter Server : NA Race : Protoss Rank : Diamond This is me playing on my smurf account, I open 10pool, he opens double 12 gate without scouting, chronos booth zealots out, looks through fog of war, expecting the attack . EDIT : Replay : http://drop.sc/392993 He opens that builds every PvZ. Myself and clanmates have played him a number of times. edit: http://sc2replaystats.com/replay/1177691 Edit2: All his replays on sc2replaystats | ||
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FeMo
Sweden46 Posts
Server : EU Race : Zerg Rank : Masters Profile : http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/4290576/1/VeniVidiVins/ Suspected hack : Production Hack. Replays: Game Number 1 http://drop.sc/393022 Game Number 2 http://drop.sc/393021 Game: 1, both of goes for hatch first, he goes in with his overlord and scouts that I have gone for Hatch - Gas - Pool. This is the last time he scouts me for the rest of the game. Back home he is going standard roaches but decides to get an extra evo chamber (without upgrading anything) and no third base (?) I'm going for a ling allin, I send out my Lings and without him seeing them he decides to make 8 blind roaches, he also repositions his queens (Low energy in wall, high energy behind), He holds easily and just kills me afterwards. Game: 2, im going for a 13/12 on deadwing, this time he pulls a drone down to his almost finished hatchery (without any scouting information, he does not even know where I have spawned), and builds a spine as soon as his hatchery finishes (he does not see my Lings until he has built his spine) and builds 6 blind lings (and 2 queens, but they are standard). He holds easily. The games where played in the first round of the second qualifier of The Saftey Net. Also noteworthy is that he does not have any recorded games @ Aligulac and according to his binarybeast (http://binarybeast.com/player/144658) this was his first game there aswell. | ||
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CysticFibros
Germany26 Posts
Server : EU Race : Terran Rank : Diamond Profile: battlenet://starcraft/profile/2/2434329751897243648 Replay: http://drop.sc/393028 Zeus is scouting strangely exactly at the agency where I'm building what and builds before it is scouting same time a bunker | ||
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deth
Australia1757 Posts
On January 27 2015 01:29 riceantrocks wrote: Hacker name: Stephano Server: NA League: GM (was diamond at beginning of season, as in this replay) Race: Terran (sometimes random) Profile: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/6284112/1/Stephano/ Replay: http://ggtracker.com/matches/5741453 Description: Maphack. Looks into fog of war at invisible army. Stims whole army into invisibility. Multiple times. Still loses though. Oh shit, I felt awful for losing to this guy because he was so bad, but the more you know. Reviewed my replay and you're right, he pans over the fog constantly and reacts perfectly to builds. | ||
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SNSeigifried
United States1640 Posts
On January 27 2015 08:55 deth wrote: Oh shit, I felt awful for losing to this guy because he was so bad, but the more you know. Reviewed my replay and you're right, he pans over the fog constantly and reacts perfectly to builds. On January 18 2015 08:07 SNSeigifried wrote: Hacker Name:Stephano Server:NA League:Diamond Race: Protoss Profile: battlenet://starcraft/profile/1/5672873103265366016 Replay: http://drop.sc/392267 Description: Maphacker it was blantly obvious if you pay attention to his army movement/decision making/panning into my base constantly ty :D!!! | ||
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TossNoHands
Italy8 Posts
On January 27 2015 02:52 FeMo wrote: Name : [Tes] Venividivins Server : EU Race : Zerg Rank : Masters Profile : http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/4290576/1/VeniVidiVins/ Suspected hack : Production Hack. Replays: Game Number 1 http://drop.sc/393022 Game Number 2 http://drop.sc/393021 Also noteworthy is that he does not have any recorded games @ Aligulac and according to his binarybeast (http://binarybeast.com/player/144658) this was his first game there aswell. Not sure if troll or serious. Just few things: Tes Venividivins is his second account,thats why you don't see a lot of games on that account. Here the channel of his stream: http://www.twitch.tv/n1vincent, and just to be sure i watched both replays and to be honest nothing was strange. my 0.02 cent | ||
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TelecoM
United States10688 Posts
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