GM / Master map hacker and general hacking and cheating th…

You have to provide some kind of evidence/proof (screenshots/replays etc.) if you are going to accuse somebody.

Additionally, a supporting comment of what people should be looking for and when will be necessary if you are posting replays/evidence.

Scarlett`

Korea (South)2394 Posts

January 21 2013 01:03 GMT

#4501

On January 20 2013 18:19 nunez wrote:
i'm not saying cham hacks now or at the point the replay was played and posting replays is all nice and well, however the issue at hand is the admission. an admission seems to me as good as evidence as any to put somebodys name on the list.

if cham wants to come clean and provide the timeframe he was hacking in it could be added to the listing.
this seems somewhat contentious so i'll remove the post for now.

i do not think you can play this off as sarcasm though, you can maybe plead stupidity, but it seems pretty farfetched.

00:55 [All] IIIlllIIIIll: yes LOL it was really obvious
01:08 [All] Cham: ye ye i used to hack
01:10 [All] Cham: TT
01:13 [All] Cham: i was to chobo
01:19 [All] IIIlllIIIIll: "used to"
01:33 [All] Cham: but
01:37 [All] Cham: i never hack on this acc
01:39 [All] Cham: i don't remember
01:44 [All] IIIlllIIIIll: mhm
01:45 [All] Cham: the hack
01:47 [All] Cham: doesn't work now
01:48 [All] Cham: :D

An 'admission' like that means absolutely nothing, it is amusing to make someone who accuses you of hacking in the middle of a game even madder (doesn't have to be as sarcasm..).

People so often jump to conclusions when playing a good player :x (or someone who uses unorthodox strategies so someone could think them playing nonstandard is a reaction to something they did rather than that player's standard play ~ such as Astrea (NA toss) favouring 1gate expand very often and some zergs think he maphacks because their 7pool won't work on him)

Psych

United States41 Posts

January 21 2013 01:31 GMT

#4502

Edit: moved to the HoTS hacker thread.

Xlafs

United States9 Posts

January 21 2013 01:38 GMT

#4503

Also, Hailey on the NA server is also a map hacker

User was warned for this post

SixSixSix

United States5 Posts

January 21 2013 10:25 GMT

#4504

NEW HACKERS !!!! PROLEGENOMA FOR SURE, ADD TO LIST !!! PLZ N TY. WATCH REP. ]http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=394509 [ Replay of high master hackers ]

TechNoTrance

Canada1007 Posts

January 21 2013 10:32 GMT

#4505

On January 21 2013 19:25 SixSixSix wrote:
NEW HACKERS !!!! PROLEGENOMA FOR SURE, ADD TO LIST !!! PLZ N TY. WATCH REP. ]http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=394509 [ Replay of high master hackers ]

I'd recommend reading the OP of a thread before posting in it. Posting in all caps with tons of exclamation marks isn't really necessary either.

Grimmyman123

Canada939 Posts

January 21 2013 10:44 GMT

#4506

On January 21 2013 19:32 TechNoTrance wrote:

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I'd recommend reading the OP of a thread before posting in it. Posting in all caps with tons of exclamation marks isn't really necessary either.

Yeah, it just wants me to shove a pencil in my eyeballs and not bother reading the rest.

I'll be finishing up replays tomorrow, been studying all night for an exam I have to write in 4 hours.

nunez

Norway4003 Posts

January 21 2013 11:28 GMT

#4507

@remark & scarlett
the conversation was produced at the beginning of the game and it was brought up referencing previous replays posted of cham in this thread and seemingly not relation to some recent game. the admission is not 'i hack', it's 'i used to hack then, on another account, i was bad, but that hack doesn't work anymore'. are the situations you describe still relevant in this scenario?

maybe there is some backstory between Kane and cham i am not aware of and maybe Kane could provide some insight.

and afaik noone is saying cham is a hacker now, and from the replays i have looked through i found nothing of note.

Moonrisesc

Netherlands38 Posts

January 21 2013 14:18 GMT

#4508

Player name: trendingtoss
Server: EU
Replay: http://drop.sc/297296
Bnet Profile: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/3405176/1/trendingtoss/

Pretty obvious maphack imo.

Iksf

United Kingdom444 Posts

January 21 2013 14:24 GMT

#4509

On January 21 2013 23:18 Moonrisesc wrote:
Player name: trendingtoss
Server: EU
Replay: http://drop.sc/297296
Bnet Profile: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/3405176/1/trendingtoss/

Pretty obvious maphack imo.

Watched this game played live on stream.

Blind nexus first pretty risky for protoss, but not clear evidence.

When cannon rushing adds additional cannons as lings are produced. Seems unusual, protoss would either add cannons as they had money to increase their chances of the kill or not add any more.

7g robo, pushes half way before turning around after looking at a spine wall he cannot see. Adds on twilight and antimutalisk cannons utterly blindly. Protoss has no information about the spire. This is the real conclusive proof.

Scouts hidden third pretty luckily, not solid proof but yea

Generally terrible play as well, obviously carried by maphack, this guy is currently rank 1 in his division at 860 points, that play was low masters at best. This account was only created this season, probably some other hackers new account.

Quick check through his match history, PvPs in particular always shows him getting the good end of robo > twilight > stargate > robo etc. Again not conclusive proof but all this together makes it pretty blatent.

Grimmyman123

Canada939 Posts

January 21 2013 20:27 GMT

#4510

On January 20 2013 15:57 city42 wrote:

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drop.sc won't let me upload a pack without signing up for some premium service, so I uploaded it here.

Player: Isuruscham aka Cham
Rank: GM
Profile: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2680634/1/Cham/

Several replays were provided. My note are as follows.

Daybreak LE (82)
1:20 Looks around under guise of overlord clicks
2:12 Looks around again
5:21 Moves zerglings back to address cannons to which he has no vision at his 3rd.

Antiga Shipyard (55)
10:00 Looks around in base
11:30 Looks again
12:20 Loos at army before engaging

]cloud kingdom LE (3)
6:05 - sends lings to get probe
6:07 - Peeks at gases
6:58 - Looks at Zealot
7:00 Looks at empty main
8:29 - Peeks fast
11:27 Looks at army
13:22 peeks at front of base
14:00 positions army left side of map in response to opponent movement

DAybreak (261)
1:06 Good looking around
13:09 Looks back at natural expo
13:30 - Auto inject? REALLY fast injects, 4 bases in 1 second.
14:04 - Auto inject? REALLY fast injects, 4 bases in 1 second.
15:10 - Auto inject? REALLY fast injects, 4 bases in 1 second.

Antiga Shipyard
6 Pool. Scouts lucky.

Daybreay (231)
Nothing notable, usual fascination with checking and double checking his scouting overlords and looking around where they are going.

Entombed Valley (197)
Scouts Verticle position start. (pre patch?) !!!
4:00 Frequent looks
4:45 Probe at his 3rd.
8:20 looks at front wall
12:20 looks at front wall off
15:01 Auto inject? injects so fast.
16:04 Same as above

Cloud kingdom (189)
Scouts a 4gate by protoss with no expo, and expands to his 3rd at 5:46 after protoss takes his expo. Has virtually no army.
6:30 fast peek at attack incoming
odd thing, his vision shows the timer on hallucinated phoenix. ??
19:48 Peeks at protoss 4th.

Entombed Valley (87)
5:32 peeks at front
9:00 Takes blind 4th after opponent expands with 20 lings as sole defense.

Entombed Valley (86)
6pools close by ground positions. Lucky.

Shakuras Plateau (63)
"Finds" probe with lings at 3rd
9:20 - Push moves out, no vision, instantly makes static defenses at natural and 3rd bases
13:00 Looks at observer
15:21 Peeks through Fog at stalkers shooting at rocks.

Replay # 296889 vs Revelations
-Looks at front wall severall times
-Sends lings to front wall which is not completed.

Several instances are key and are sure tells for me:
Addressing the unknown Cannons on Daybreak LE (82);
Expanding to 3rd though an impending and scouted 4gate or similar push is incoming Cloud kingdom (189);
Taking a blind 4th on Entombed Valley (87);
and the solid look at the stalkers breaking down rocks on Shakuras Plateau (63)

NOTE: This player hides peeks and looks through fog of war VERY well, under the guise of overlord or army units. One example of this is on Cloud Kingdom, as well as other maps, where he will move the army and click on the ramp or near the wall, get his look, and then move elsewhere on the map. The force sometimes is so small that it is obvious there is no intent to attack, and often times does not even poke to see what defense or units are present. This is especially evident on 4 player maps, where he will often send out the overlords to scout, and a GREAT deal of attention to the overlord scouting the proper position will be made, clicking and looking at the opponents base, though actual position not yet scouted proper.
If an overlord has vision of an area, almost always the player is looking at the fog of war near this overlord, not at what the overlord actually has vision of. Having watched MANY replays, his vision habits regarding scouting overlords is not normal or even close to it. He's constantly looking around "moving" his overlords in the opponents base and area.

My Opinion. The player is using a production tab hack and map hack and is exceedingly smart about it, and disguses most peeks as "movements" of units or overlords. Possible inject hack or assist is employed.

Iksf

United Kingdom444 Posts

January 21 2013 20:48 GMT

#4511

Drop hack

http://www.twitch.tv/iksf/b/359262557 30 mins in

I win, he doesnt leave. Tonne of BM, then about a minute of silence, then desync. He gets the win.

http://drop.sc/297382

Grimmyman123

Canada939 Posts

January 21 2013 20:49 GMT

#4512

Thanks for your replay.

Nexus First no Scout on Cross onlyt Antiga Shipyard
4:40 Takes purposely sneaky route to zerg 3rd (to cannon)
7:05 Starts to simcity cannon rush when zerglings move out
9:48 Looks at opponents natural ramp and lings through Fog of war
10:22 Sends zealot to attack zerg Ninja expo
10:32 Cannons up heavy 9 seconds after mutas start training
18:38 Looks and sends 2 zealots to unscouted zerg 3rd.

( bush

321 Posts

January 21 2013 20:56 GMT

#4513

wtf, chams vision shows timer of hallucinated phoenix?

Grimmyman123

Canada939 Posts

January 21 2013 21:12 GMT

#4514

On January 22 2013 05:48 Iksf wrote:
Drop hack

http://www.twitch.tv/iksf/b/359262557 30 mins in

I win, he doesnt leave. Tonne of BM, then about a minute of silence, then desync. He gets the win.

http://drop.sc/297382

Please help and use template.

Player name: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/807417/2/CocuXyuCyka/
League: Diamond on major win streak (Masters MMR probable, not yet promoted)
Profile: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/807417/2/CocuXyuCyka/

No evidence of any other types of hacking, drop hack likely, no messages at end of replay, replay simply ends.

Chat log:
00:06:28 - CocuXyuCyka to ALL: your mom is dirty w***e
00:06:30 - CocuXyuCyka to ALL: stupid noob
00:06:31 - CocuXyuCyka to ALL: f*****
00:06:32 - CocuXyuCyka to ALL: n*****
00:06:35 - CocuXyuCyka to ALL: mother******

00:06:40 - CocuXyuCyka to ALL: b******* of dirty w*****

00:06:44 - CocuXyuCyka to ALL: because she is a w****
00:06:48 - CocuXyuCyka to ALL: and u are noob

Grimmyman123

Canada939 Posts

January 21 2013 21:13 GMT

#4515

On January 22 2013 05:56 ( bush wrote:
wtf, chams vision shows timer of hallucinated phoenix?

Yes. That struck me as odd. Honestly I don't know if that is normal or not.

Grimmyman123

Canada939 Posts

January 21 2013 21:30 GMT

#4516

Please use template in future to help.

Player: Prolegomena
League: Masters 3v3 ONLY
Profile: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2580896/1/Prolegomena/

2x peeks at protoss base under pretext of attack move with 'lings.
Blind SPORE crawler defense to DT rush. Does same for shared control allied zerg.
No scouting.

No other indicators of hacking in this replay.

EtherealDeath

United States8366 Posts

January 21 2013 21:36 GMT

#4517

On January 22 2013 05:27 Grimmyman123 wrote:

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Could you add the download links for those games? I can't see the (#) for some reason on any of the drop.sc replays in the ones he linked, so I have no idea which games you are referring to.

edit - nvm, me bad

edit 2 - Daybreak (261) doesn't look like the standard auto inject in SC2Gears, could just be really damn fast injects.

Zennith

United States795 Posts

January 21 2013 21:43 GMT

#4518

That's pretty damning against Cham when taking all together.

Grimmyman123

Canada939 Posts

January 21 2013 22:01 GMT

#4519

On January 20 2013 23:39 HpplVgn wrote:
Name shithappens
Server EU
League Master
Just watch, he counters every move I make , doesnt scout and esp the move where he goes into his own main as I get a warp prism.

http://drop.sc/296936

Player name:ƧhitHappƎnS
League: Masters
Profile: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2600437/1/ƧhitHappƎnS/
Possibly related to account: http://www.sc2ranks.com/eu/223983/ƧhitHappƎnS which is Blizz swallowing a bug: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/223983/1/IIIIIII/ DropSC shows chat with shithappens name in it for this barcode.

2:32 Looks at opponents base through fog
7:10 - Moves marines to prepare for warp prism
7:35 - attacks drop
9:25 - Blind bunker in main (second prism incoming)
10:10 - Blind reposition of all troops to front to defend all in push at front.

wwjqd92

1 Post

January 21 2013 22:04 GMT

#4520

@Grimmyman123

I'm sorry but I don't think that a platinum player should be someone that is analyzing replays, honestly NONE of your notes were even close to suspectable map hack, the only thing that would be even remotely close is your "auto inject" which isn't auto inject and if it was then you can easily identify it as auto inject with sc2gears for example.

daybreak 86 analysis: just because someone looks through fog of war doesn't mean they are map hacking, maybe he is about to move a unit there and decides not to, etc... I challenge you to find a replay of any high level player in a long game that doesn't look through the fog of war, just because it happens doesn't mean MAP HACKS GUYS, MAP HACKS!!!

Antiga Shipyard 55: same as before

Cloud Kingdom 3: same as before, with zerg you need to flank so he was more then likely just positioning himself for when he did have an engagement

Antiga Shipyard: There is no such thing as close ground position on antiga

Entombed Valley 197: the fog of war stuff, you really need to stop with that, it's one thing to just look @ fog of war, it's another to look @ fog of war and see a dark shrine then instantly respond with a spore or move your units back and make spine crawlers. Scouting for a probe @ your 3rd and behind your mineral lines of expos are incredibly standard to do.

Cloud kingdom 189: Normally when a protoss 4gate gets scouted, they stop 4gating and try transitioning to something else so when he saw that the attack wasn't coming he most likely amused he was just going to expand out of it, and expanded himself, if the attack came, he would still be ready for it regardless so it doesn't matter

Entombed Valley 87: A 9 minute 4th is standard, looking through fog of war doesn't mean jack shit

Entombed Valley 86: 6 pool on close spawns? so what, if you look @ cham's match history he 6 pools more then a majority of players

Shakurahs Plateau 63: Probe hunting is standard, so what if he moves out, once again you are so caught up in the "looking through fog of war"

FOG OF WAR: Everyone, EVERYONE looks through Fog of War, maybe they are going to move a unit there, or attack move there who knows, it is one thing to look through Fog of War, and an entirely different thing to look through fog of war then hard countering exactly what they saw.

TL;DR Platinum Players shouldn't be analyzing replays not a single point in anything that you posted was even close to suspicious, the things he does are incredibly predictable and standard, you think taking a fast blind 4th as zerg vs toss is suspicious, when it is incredibly standard, you think when he scouts a 4gate and an attack still hasn't arrived @ 6:30 you think they are going to continue 4gating in GM? no, they will transition, and players at that level will know that and expand.

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