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Canada1181 Posts
There's just no real way to tell unfortunately.
One things that bothers me is that it would be so easy for Blizzard to google "sc2 hacks" get some maphack that works and release a patch that would make it obsolete. Going out after each and every single hacker seems a little far fetch, but this would really be the best way. Some hackers would keep making hacks for sure (that's what they do lol) but releasing a patch that counters current hacks every like months or 2 would prevent most uninformed users to using such hacks.
I know I've been whining about Blizzard's inactivity a lot in this thread, but it's really the only way we can see significant improvement.
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On January 19 2013 02:48 crbox wrote:
There's just no real way to tell unfortunately.
One things that bothers me is that it would be so easy for Blizzard to google "sc2 hacks" get some maphack that works and release a patch that would make it obsolete.
This is easier said than done. If music/movie industry can't stop a normal guy from googling their way to the latest music/ tv episode, what do you really think blizzard can do?
It's really sad but true.
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On January 19 2013 03:00 WardenSC wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2013 02:48 crbox wrote:
There's just no real way to tell unfortunately.
One things that bothers me is that it would be so easy for Blizzard to google "sc2 hacks" get some maphack that works and release a patch that would make it obsolete. This is easier said than done. If music/movie industry can't stop a normal guy from googling their way to the latest music/ tv episode, what do you really think blizzard can do? It's really sad but true.
I don't see how you can compare the two. In order for a music company to remove the file, they have to alert the website, have them respond and if not pursue legal action.
Blizzard need to acknowledge the hack and implement software that breaks it. There's a very big difference between downloading something to see/listen to, and downloading something to use that to interact with other software.
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On January 19 2013 03:03 iLikeRain wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2013 03:00 WardenSC wrote:On January 19 2013 02:48 crbox wrote:
There's just no real way to tell unfortunately.
One things that bothers me is that it would be so easy for Blizzard to google "sc2 hacks" get some maphack that works and release a patch that would make it obsolete. This is easier said than done. If music/movie industry can't stop a normal guy from googling their way to the latest music/ tv episode, what do you really think blizzard can do? It's really sad but true. I don't see how you can compare the two. In order for a music company to remove the file, they have to alert the website, have them respond and if not pursue legal action. Blizzard need to acknowledge the hack and implement software that breaks it. There's a very big difference between downloading something to see/listen to, and downloading something to use that to interact with other software.
And they could monitor for it for like 2 months and then mass ban, so at the very least there is a real financial burden on hackers.
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On January 19 2013 04:05 PulseKane wrote:http://drop.sc/296286i posted his replay a while back. here he admits to it
Thank you for your replay.
I have reviewed the replay and there is no evidence of map hacking present in the replay provided.
Within the chat the individual admits having previously hacked, on a different unnamed account. He further notes that the hack no longer functions, and he notes that he does not use a hack currently, specifically with this CHAM account.
The account number is traceable however.
Cham was formerly known as sCztaaar and as isurusCham
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2680634/1/Cham/
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2680634/1/sCztaaar/
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2680634/1/isurusCham/
And a search reveals two replays previously posted for this account which were posted into this thread some time ago.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=340614¤tpage=83#1653
There is a good deal of talk about isurusCham however here previously in this thread.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=isurusCham&t=c&f=-1&u=&gb=date&d=
Which has provided some a replay (submitted previously by Pulsekane) as well.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=340614¤tpage=79#1570
Which has only 2 points of circumstantial evidence in it, nothing even close to conclusive, and the suspect loses the game badly.
But I do note that Zweigaming has already ruled out the double replay post.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=340614¤tpage=83#1654
and I still do not see any absolute proof of map hacking in the replays. Not even a glimpse, once, through the fog of war.
If anything, hypothetically, its a production tab hack, and only that. So, all in all, from all the replays that have been provided to this thread, for the various accounts, I don't see anything concrete to call hacking.
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Hacker name:  Wardou
Server: EU
League: master, 366 points, 95 wins / 71 losses
Description:
Wardou(p, top left) vs HpplVgn(p, bot left) @ antiga shipyard
@7:23 looks at Vgn natural, vgn is expoing. turns around to attack nexus after retreating with his 3 gate pressure.
Wardou(p, bot left) vs BattleMage (z, bot right) @ antiga shipyard
On January 14 2013 02:38 Battle_Mage wrote:
5:02 - Probe is trying to hide in the fog, trying to avoid the zergling without seeing it
6:24 - Adds 5 canons to hold the baneling bust without scouting
Wardou(p, bot left) vs DJHelium (z, top right) @ cloud kingdom
@2:14 dodges an ovi he has no vision of.
@2:50 catches drone he has no vision of.
@3:12 looks at drone through FoW
that's enough.
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Hacker name: CombatEx
Server: NA
League: grandmaster, 370 points, 67 wins / 57 losses
Description:
KsGuides(p, top left) vs iMMaFia(z, bot left) @ entombed valley
@11:45 moves out to catch a changeling outside his base with his entire army, with no vision of map.
@12:22 moves some units to intercept a ling outside his third.
@13:41 sends dts right next to the infestation pit in the main
@15:20 nonsensical timing at making spines, at this point has still to make an observer or scout.
@21:20 moves entire army out midmap but backs off as lings are running for a backstab, he has no vision of it by the time he turns back.
@23:30 sends entire army to kill a ling at the fifth he has no vision of.
@24:15 blocks ramp with zealots and sends army to intercept roaches he has no vision of.
@27:08 camera pans in FoW to z army.
@27:18 - 27:33 weird camera movement in FoW, camera sitting in one place and just spam clicking move command through minimap on his prism for 15 seconds.
@27:36 camera moves right to Z's broodlord army and sits there for a while.
@28:51 warps in rallied to fifth as he's looking at it through fow, redecides and sends to unscouted 6th instead. 5th is defendede with spines / spores.
@29:34 looks through FoW at Z army.
@30:00 looks through FoW at Z fifth.
@30:35 moves out to catch burrowing spines.
Note:
changed name from KsGuides.
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Hacker Name: llIIlllIlllI (not sure how to get b.net profile, I hate these barcodes so much)
Server: NA
League: Masters
Description: http://drop.sc/296770
Sends a probe straight to my third on entombed to plant pylon for gateway push; doesn't bother scouting on 4 player map. I think it's pretty obvious.
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nice catch, nunez. Is he going to be in the confirmed hackers list of this thread?
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On January 20 2013 08:51 BigBadBeaver wrote:Hacker Name: llIIlllIlllI (not sure how to get b.net profile, I hate these barcodes so much) Server: NA League: Masters Description: http://drop.sc/296770Sends a probe straight to my third on entombed to plant pylon for gateway push; doesn't bother scouting on 4 player map. I think it's pretty obvious.
I didnt watch your replay, but I think entombed has fixed spawning positions now..? someone correct me if im wrong
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On January 20 2013 08:51 BigBadBeaver wrote:Hacker Name: llIIlllIlllI (not sure how to get b.net profile, I hate these barcodes so much) Server: NA League: Masters Description: http://drop.sc/296770Sends a probe straight to my third on entombed to plant pylon for gateway push; doesn't bother scouting on 4 player map. I think it's pretty obvious.
Player name: llIIlllIlllI
Profile: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/3064933/1/llIIlllIlllI/
Thank you for your replay.
No evidence of hacking present. Scouting probe has rally points set, but probe wanders into Terrans 3rd because of terran wall off at ramp (Bad pathing). Protoss player can determine that wall off occured at this location and as such, the locaiton of the terran opponent. A lack of any other scouting however is suspect, but only this. No hacking present in this replay.
And yes, on Entombed, there is no close by ground (horizontal) spawn locations. Only vertical and cross.
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Player: AbbaZabba
Profile: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/3809953/1/AbbaZabba/
League: Diamond, rank 12
3:31 - Blind pulls 3 probes to attack SCV bunker rushing
4:20 - Blind pulls many probes to intercept and attack 2 scvs and marine bunker rush
8:44 - Peeks at defensive marines through fog
14:23 - Intercepts 2 dropships. First warps in in his main, walks them around map and waits for drop.
17:47 - rally zealots around 2x CC at Terran 3rd, no vision of either.
**No scouting at all during the entire game, APM low.**
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Canada1181 Posts
@nunez
I usually trust you without a doubt when you put the "confirmed" tag on someone, but my team just had a cw against another south american team called "OP" (dunno what it stands for) and I couldn't play. When I arrived at my monitor, I saw they used Cham as one of their players.
To the best of your knowledge, are you certain it is the acutal Cham on the replay?
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@crbox several curses are running through my mind right now. I will refrain.
I covered Cham and his accounts and previous names. He admits that he has hacked on different account. I personally think he used same account and changed name to avoid detection.
Look eleven (11) posts back.
upload replay and I can check if same Cham.
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Canada1181 Posts
On January 20 2013 13:33 Grimmyman123 wrote:
@crbox several curses are running through my mind right now. I will refrain.
I covered Cham and his accounts and previous names. He admits that he has hacked on different account. I personally think he used same account and changed name to avoid detection.
Look eleven (11) posts back.
upload replay and I can check if same Cham.
... I don't get the random hostility, I saw your post, just wanted to make sure this was the real Cham not someone using his nickname, that's all.
You can take a chill pill dickwad
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On January 20 2013 14:20 crbox wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2013 13:33 Grimmyman123 wrote:
@crbox several curses are running through my mind right now. I will refrain.
I covered Cham and his accounts and previous names. He admits that he has hacked on different account. I personally think he used same account and changed name to avoid detection.
Look eleven (11) posts back.
upload replay and I can check if same Cham. ... I don't get the random hostility, I saw your post, just wanted to make sure this was the real Cham not someone using his nickname, that's all. You can take a chill pill dickwad
Probably is him, only cham at a highish level on NA is the former isurusCham, aka the Cham in question, although he says he no longer hacks. At any rate, may as well upload the replay.
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On January 20 2013 14:20 crbox wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2013 13:33 Grimmyman123 wrote:
@crbox several curses are running through my mind right now. I will refrain.
I covered Cham and his accounts and previous names. He admits that he has hacked on different account. I personally think he used same account and changed name to avoid detection.
Look eleven (11) posts back.
upload replay and I can check if same Cham. ... I don't get the random hostility, I saw your post, just wanted to make sure this was the real Cham not someone using his nickname, that's all. You can take a chill pill dickwad
Sorry, I thought you were just being ignorant and not taking the time to use search. I spend a bit of time trying to help out in this thread.
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