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You have to provide some kind of evidence/proof (screenshots/replays etc.) if you are going to accuse somebody.
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Name: Flowerpower / Themagican (prob cus of the name change thing)
Server : EU
league : master
http://drop.sc/294522
He does alot of wierd stuff, f.eks his first scv ( its not the realied 9th one that is the standard to do, he does intercept my probe on the ramp). He has no real idea what I am doing (lol he knows it all) , send his marine on patrol ( prob think I am going for warp prism). then he stops and uses it to attack my pylon ( goes straight to it) , Then suddenly he bunker up like a mad man... Rallys all his stuff into the main etc. Then when I point it out he sacks a Medivac to prove his point..
also really low APM
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Name: snowdaddy
League: Diamond
Server: NA
Description: Im not sure if he was hacking but by the behavior of the control groups in the replay I think its a possibility.
http://drop.sc/294617
watch at 8x and keep an eye on control group 2, let me know what you think
Poll: Was he cheating?no (14) 88% yes (2) 13% 16 total votes Your vote: Was he cheating? (Vote): yes
(Vote): no
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On January 14 2013 07:24 Whaskins wrote:
watch at 8x and keep an eye on control group 2, let me know what you think
When workers on a control group enter a refinery they disappear from the control group until they exit the refinery. That's why the number of units in group 2 keeps changing even though he only makes one assignment to group 2 before the ~19 minute mark.
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So i was in a pretty foul mood going into this game so i 8 pooled (what a scumbag) but without scouting the guy had a forge down with a cannon and its one of the best "map hacker" replays ive ever seen in my life. oh and he LOST horribly
things to note - blindly forging defending early cheese
3 robo to respond to roach hydra.... cmon lol
http://drop.sc/295389
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On January 16 2013 17:22 sunglasseson wrote:So i was in a pretty foul mood going into this game so i 8 pooled (what a scumbag) but without scouting the guy had a forge down with a cannon and its one of the best "map hacker" replays ive ever seen in my life. oh and he LOST horribly things to note - blindly forging defending early cheese 3 robo to respond to roach hydra.... cmon lol http://drop.sc/295389
Did you even watch the replay? It's so obvious he doesn't maphack.
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the protoss was going to cannon the expo thus the pylon in base. there really should be punishments for randomly throwing hack accusations around without evidence
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who cannon expos inside his base.... what?
and your suggesting he was going to blindly cannon my base? i think ur giving him too much credit. ive NEVER met anyone in masters diamond or plat league that blindly cannons a zergs base without having forge on lowground for an expansion. i asked people he played games before and they said he did similar things
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On January 16 2013 18:27 sunglasseson wrote:
who cannon expos inside his base.... what?
and your suggesting he was going to blindly cannon my base? i think ur giving him too much credit. ive NEVER met anyone in masters diamond or plat league that blindly cannons a zergs base without having forge on lowground for an expansion. i asked people he played games before and they said he did similar things
OK, so it's a strat he uses regularly. What does that have to do with whether he's hacking or not?
And the fact you haven't seen it before proves nothing but your inexperience.
Please don't accuse people of hacking without knowing what you are talking about.
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On January 16 2013 18:09 Kokujin wrote:
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the protoss was going to cannon the expo thus the pylon in base. there really should be punishments for randomly throwing hack accusations around without evidence
he did provide 'evidence' though. had he just worded himself a bit more carefully this would have been more pleasant for all parties involved.
use wording like 'suspicious replay' etc, and don't accuse people of hacking without being sure. if you are unsure just ask for help / second opinions.
placing forge in main is not that uncommon, and it seems like he could just as well have been going for a cannon attack. letting a nydus go up in his main does not seem very maphackeresque like though.
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On January 16 2013 18:35 Fenneth wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2013 18:27 sunglasseson wrote:
who cannon expos inside his base.... what?
and your suggesting he was going to blindly cannon my base? i think ur giving him too much credit. ive NEVER met anyone in masters diamond or plat league that blindly cannons a zergs base without having forge on lowground for an expansion. i asked people he played games before and they said he did similar things OK, so it's a strat he uses regularly. What does that have to do with whether he's hacking or not? And the fact you haven't seen it before proves nothing but your inexperience. Please don't accuse people of hacking without knowing what you are talking about.
while its true the nydus isnt very "map hackery" its possible he just wasnt watching at the time and maybe i should have posted a "shady replay" or whatever
my inexperience? im willing to bet im much much higher then u lol. ive finished top8 masters as every race. demuslum beat a streamcheater 3 times in a row with 1 rax expands. sometimes people are just awful just like a 1 base cannon rush vs zerg is just awful
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On January 17 2013 04:41 sunglasseson wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2013 18:35 Fenneth wrote:On January 16 2013 18:27 sunglasseson wrote:
who cannon expos inside his base.... what?
and your suggesting he was going to blindly cannon my base? i think ur giving him too much credit. ive NEVER met anyone in masters diamond or plat league that blindly cannons a zergs base without having forge on lowground for an expansion. i asked people he played games before and they said he did similar things OK, so it's a strat he uses regularly. What does that have to do with whether he's hacking or not? And the fact you haven't seen it before proves nothing but your inexperience. Please don't accuse people of hacking without knowing what you are talking about. while its true the nydus isnt very "map hackery" its possible he just wasnt watching at the time and maybe i should have posted a "shady replay" or whatever my inexperience? im willing to bet im much much higher then u lol. ive finished top8 masters as every race. demuslum beat a streamcheater 3 times in a row with 1 rax expands. sometimes people are just awful just like a 1 base cannon rush vs zerg is just awful
Odd, since I see diamond in that replay... with 51 wins.... diamond.
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Hacker name:  IIIIIIIIIIII
Server: SEA
League: grandmaster, 21 points, 27 wins / 24 losses
Description:
IIIIIIIIIIII(p, top left) vs oweBE(t, top right) @ antiga shipyard
@3:26 impossible selection and autoprobe
13220 IIIIIIIIIIII Select Nexus (10288), Deselect all
13220 IIIIIIIIIIII Train Probe
13220 IIIIIIIIIIII Select Gateway (10318), Deselect all @3:38 autoprobe
13996 IIIIIIIIIIII Select Nexus (10288), Deselect all
13996 IIIIIIIIIIII Train Probe
13996 IIIIIIIIIIII Select Probe (102e4), Deselect all @3:55 impossible selection and autoprobe
15076 IIIIIIIIIIII Select Nexus (10288), Deselect all
15076 IIIIIIIIIIII Train Probe
15076 IIIIIIIIIIII Select Nexus (10310), Deselect all
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I do not see any evidence of hacking in the suppled replay between Mmx(Z) and DDAY(P). DDAY's Apm is a bit low, but the game does not have any signs of map hacking or production tab hacking.
sunglasseson, do read the boy who cried wolf.
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On January 17 2013 04:41 sunglasseson wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2013 18:35 Fenneth wrote:On January 16 2013 18:27 sunglasseson wrote:
who cannon expos inside his base.... what?
and your suggesting he was going to blindly cannon my base? i think ur giving him too much credit. ive NEVER met anyone in masters diamond or plat league that blindly cannons a zergs base without having forge on lowground for an expansion. i asked people he played games before and they said he did similar things OK, so it's a strat he uses regularly. What does that have to do with whether he's hacking or not? And the fact you haven't seen it before proves nothing but your inexperience. Please don't accuse people of hacking without knowing what you are talking about. while its true the nydus isnt very "map hackery" its possible he just wasnt watching at the time and maybe i should have posted a "shady replay" or whatever my inexperience? im willing to bet im much much higher then u lol. ive finished top8 masters as every race. demuslum beat a streamcheater 3 times in a row with 1 rax expands. sometimes people are just awful just like a 1 base cannon rush vs zerg is just awful
Forge in base isn't that uncommon, it happens occasionally, especially when they want to try to cannon the zerg's natural, like he tried. If you actually watched the replay, you would have seen that he built a pylon at your natural, then cancelled it when he saw lings. Your lack of understanding tells me that you are clearly not top master, with any race.
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On January 17 2013 04:41 sunglasseson wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2013 18:35 Fenneth wrote:On January 16 2013 18:27 sunglasseson wrote:
who cannon expos inside his base.... what?
and your suggesting he was going to blindly cannon my base? i think ur giving him too much credit. ive NEVER met anyone in masters diamond or plat league that blindly cannons a zergs base without having forge on lowground for an expansion. i asked people he played games before and they said he did similar things OK, so it's a strat he uses regularly. What does that have to do with whether he's hacking or not? And the fact you haven't seen it before proves nothing but your inexperience. Please don't accuse people of hacking without knowing what you are talking about. while its true the nydus isnt very "map hackery" its possible he just wasnt watching at the time and maybe i should have posted a "shady replay" or whatever my inexperience? im willing to bet im much much higher then u lol. ive finished top8 masters as every race. demuslum beat a streamcheater 3 times in a row with 1 rax expands. sometimes people are just awful just like a 1 base cannon rush vs zerg is just awful
And your rank matters not to this discussion. Our experience reviewing replays and picking out the fine details does however.
I have seen Protoss builds where the forge is contained in the main, to avoid being sniped while researching an upgrade. Also, being a 2 player map, it is Exceedingly common to open forge first versus a zerg player.
At this time, confirmed NOT a hacker.
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Hacker name:  KJH
Server: KR
League: master, 172 points, 18 wins / 15 losses
Description:
KJH(t, bot left) vs DARKHELMET(t, top right) @ daybreak
45 minute tvt stacked with looking through fog of war and blind army movement with no scouting whatsoever.
i'll just put one example, but a quick look through it should be enough for everyone who doubts it.
@42:10 looks into fog of war where DARKHELMETS army is, he has no intel of it being there, blindly stims all his marines and runs in to snipe off unsieged tanks.
On January 17 2013 12:40 Grimmyman123 wrote:
15:59 Intercept drop - Positions then A clicks vikings before vision of medivac
16:35 Drop intercept with Marines, long walk with marines.
20:00 Another intercept
23:50 Drop intercept looking through fog of war
24:24 Looks through fog of war
28:26 Looks through fog of war
28:36 Looks through fog of war
28:46 Looks through fog of war
29:50 Looks through fog of war
32:40 Looks through fog of war LONG LOOK
33:08 Looks through fog of war
34:00-34:10 Looks through fog of war
34:30 Looks through fog of war
35:15 Looks through fog of war
35:20 Looks through fog of war
36:20 Looks through fog of war
The longer the game goes on, the less he cares or cannot help himself to look through the fog of war. Blatant map hacking. I stopped at the 36:20 mark there are that many occurances.
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On January 16 2013 17:22 sunglasseson wrote:So i was in a pretty foul mood going into this game so i 8 pooled (what a scumbag) but without scouting the guy had a forge down with a cannon and its one of the best "map hacker" replays ive ever seen in my life. oh and he LOST horribly things to note - blindly forging defending early cheese 3 robo to respond to roach hydra.... cmon lol http://drop.sc/295389
Nothing from that replay indicated he was maphacking. Just because he is bad and probably cheeses every game doesn't mean he is a hacker. I'm sure worse players have cheesed to diamond. Your claims of being top 8 masters with every race (if even true) is irrelevant.
If you are planning to cannon your enemy, why would you place a pylon in the path of his lings when he is doing an 8 pool and making lings? Why would you then run your probe head first into a bunch of enemy lings instead of avoiding them?
The last thing this thread needs to turn into is blindly accusing people of hacking without having any good arguments.
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Hey Hey
So I got to ask this question - I didn't think much would come of me throwing that replay up but I'm really happy nunez took the time to go through it and validate the hacking so quick..
That tool "pun intended" that I got put on the NA confirmed hackers list.. player name Tool -
I still see this moron online every day owning heads on ladder..
It really aggravates me.. I don't understand what takes so long about banning players that there is indisputable evidence of hacking? What does blizzard have to say about this??
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Yung , they really really don't care :D!
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