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On May 14 2012 20:49 aksfjh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2012 20:23 ceaRshaf wrote:On May 14 2012 20:07 Lunareste wrote:On May 14 2012 20:03 ceaRshaf wrote:
Terran has the most players that master the race. Protoss just now are making their kings. MC is the only one that is a proven toss king. Zerg also has a few, but much less than terrans.
I can't even comprehend how Terran still complain being the weakest when every data we have point the other way. EVERY DATA! Well all data except the most recent with the most up to date balancing via patches. I guess that isn't as important as how Terran did in the past? Recent data: Thorzaine wins DH. MVP in GSL finals. Lucifron wins Scan in a tvt with Thorzaine. MMA wins Iron squid. But oh noes, it's the first month that Terran falls in the overall win ratio statistics under 50%. Something must be done. You are so used to be on top and call that balance. I never understand this. A handful of obviously awesome players play Terran. We know who they are, and it's quite obvious that they are tip-top players. If any of them make it to the finals of a tournament, nobody is the least bit surprised. But, somehow, with all this established skill, their wins are diminished by balance idiots who insist they win because they play Terran. They would rather see players like Hero, Parting, and Zenio replace half of them, even though their play isn't even close in terms of consistency and outright skill.
Did you ever consider that consistency may have more to do with the race than the group of players who play that race? Maybe it has to do with being more reactive and having less map vision? Perhaps there's a reason why blizzard focused on improving scouting for zerg and protoss rather than buffing an attacking unit (queen doesn't really count).
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On May 14 2012 21:00 memcpy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2012 20:49 aksfjh wrote:On May 14 2012 20:23 ceaRshaf wrote:On May 14 2012 20:07 Lunareste wrote:On May 14 2012 20:03 ceaRshaf wrote:
Terran has the most players that master the race. Protoss just now are making their kings. MC is the only one that is a proven toss king. Zerg also has a few, but much less than terrans.
I can't even comprehend how Terran still complain being the weakest when every data we have point the other way. EVERY DATA! Well all data except the most recent with the most up to date balancing via patches. I guess that isn't as important as how Terran did in the past? Recent data: Thorzaine wins DH. MVP in GSL finals. Lucifron wins Scan in a tvt with Thorzaine. MMA wins Iron squid. But oh noes, it's the first month that Terran falls in the overall win ratio statistics under 50%. Something must be done. You are so used to be on top and call that balance. I never understand this. A handful of obviously awesome players play Terran. We know who they are, and it's quite obvious that they are tip-top players. If any of them make it to the finals of a tournament, nobody is the least bit surprised. But, somehow, with all this established skill, their wins are diminished by balance idiots who insist they win because they play Terran. They would rather see players like Hero, Parting, and Zenio replace half of them, even though their play isn't even close in terms of consistency and outright skill. Did you ever consider that consistency may have more to do with the race than the group of players who play that race? Maybe it has to do with being more reactive and having less map vision? Perhaps there's a reason why blizzard focused on improving scouting for zerg and protoss rather than buffing an attacking unit (queen doesn't really count).
He is talking about consistency of play.
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60 pages... it´s like the pilot says "someone" on board is ill, and half of the passengers will have imagined pain and feeling sick immediately.
These questions on interviews are just ridicules. What should he say?
Balance is great --> BW fans will flame him and kespa and Barrack Obama for forcing him to say that.
Balance is ok --> SC2 is so bad that even Flash don´t understand it or see "Balance is great".
Balance sucks --> Everyone will blame him to say that and play terran. And 66% of TL will unpacking the "Terrans win 110% of all tournaments sledgehammer".
Please stop asking such questions with no proper answer.
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On May 14 2012 21:10 Hypemeup wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2012 21:00 memcpy wrote:On May 14 2012 20:49 aksfjh wrote:On May 14 2012 20:23 ceaRshaf wrote:On May 14 2012 20:07 Lunareste wrote:On May 14 2012 20:03 ceaRshaf wrote:
Terran has the most players that master the race. Protoss just now are making their kings. MC is the only one that is a proven toss king. Zerg also has a few, but much less than terrans.
I can't even comprehend how Terran still complain being the weakest when every data we have point the other way. EVERY DATA! Well all data except the most recent with the most up to date balancing via patches. I guess that isn't as important as how Terran did in the past? Recent data: Thorzaine wins DH. MVP in GSL finals. Lucifron wins Scan in a tvt with Thorzaine. MMA wins Iron squid. But oh noes, it's the first month that Terran falls in the overall win ratio statistics under 50%. Something must be done. You are so used to be on top and call that balance. I never understand this. A handful of obviously awesome players play Terran. We know who they are, and it's quite obvious that they are tip-top players. If any of them make it to the finals of a tournament, nobody is the least bit surprised. But, somehow, with all this established skill, their wins are diminished by balance idiots who insist they win because they play Terran. They would rather see players like Hero, Parting, and Zenio replace half of them, even though their play isn't even close in terms of consistency and outright skill. Did you ever consider that consistency may have more to do with the race than the group of players who play that race? Maybe it has to do with being more reactive and having less map vision? Perhaps there's a reason why blizzard focused on improving scouting for zerg and protoss rather than buffing an attacking unit (queen doesn't really count). He is talking about consistency of play.
This. They make bad decisions or micro/macro poorly more often than their Terran counterpart.
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On May 14 2012 21:00 memcpy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2012 20:49 aksfjh wrote:On May 14 2012 20:23 ceaRshaf wrote:On May 14 2012 20:07 Lunareste wrote:On May 14 2012 20:03 ceaRshaf wrote:
Terran has the most players that master the race. Protoss just now are making their kings. MC is the only one that is a proven toss king. Zerg also has a few, but much less than terrans.
I can't even comprehend how Terran still complain being the weakest when every data we have point the other way. EVERY DATA! Well all data except the most recent with the most up to date balancing via patches. I guess that isn't as important as how Terran did in the past? Recent data: Thorzaine wins DH. MVP in GSL finals. Lucifron wins Scan in a tvt with Thorzaine. MMA wins Iron squid. But oh noes, it's the first month that Terran falls in the overall win ratio statistics under 50%. Something must be done. You are so used to be on top and call that balance. I never understand this. A handful of obviously awesome players play Terran. We know who they are, and it's quite obvious that they are tip-top players. If any of them make it to the finals of a tournament, nobody is the least bit surprised. But, somehow, with all this established skill, their wins are diminished by balance idiots who insist they win because they play Terran. They would rather see players like Hero, Parting, and Zenio replace half of them, even though their play isn't even close in terms of consistency and outright skill. Did you ever consider that consistency may have more to do with the race than the group of players who play that race? Maybe it has to do with being more reactive and having less map vision? Perhaps there's a reason why blizzard focused on improving scouting for zerg and protoss rather than buffing an attacking unit (queen doesn't really count).
I think the scouting buffs were made simply because now we have all the enormous "pro" maps on the ladder. With terran, a scan doesn't have to travel across a massive map, you just use it (hence no terran scouting buffs). Assuming the game was balanced for Blizzard size maps, it's not surprising they sped up ovies and obs now that the majority of the maps are like twice the size as was originally intended.
That said, the queen buff was completely unnecessary. I feel they only did it because zerg players are stuck on this Spanishiwa style opener and they are refusing to use something else. All this is my view on it of course, not saying it's exactly why the changes were made.
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On May 14 2012 20:49 aksfjh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2012 20:23 ceaRshaf wrote:On May 14 2012 20:07 Lunareste wrote:On May 14 2012 20:03 ceaRshaf wrote:
Terran has the most players that master the race. Protoss just now are making their kings. MC is the only one that is a proven toss king. Zerg also has a few, but much less than terrans.
I can't even comprehend how Terran still complain being the weakest when every data we have point the other way. EVERY DATA! Well all data except the most recent with the most up to date balancing via patches. I guess that isn't as important as how Terran did in the past? Recent data: Thorzaine wins DH. MVP in GSL finals. Lucifron wins Scan in a tvt with Thorzaine. MMA wins Iron squid. But oh noes, it's the first month that Terran falls in the overall win ratio statistics under 50%. Something must be done. You are so used to be on top and call that balance. I never understand this. A handful of obviously awesome players play Terran. We know who they are, and it's quite obvious that they are tip-top players. If any of them make it to the finals of a tournament, nobody is the least bit surprised. But, somehow, with all this established skill, their wins are diminished by balance idiots who insist they win because they play Terran. They would rather see players like Hero, Parting, and Zenio replace half of them, even though their play isn't even close in terms of consistency and outright skill.
It means that until you get to the point where you are as good as them, you'd best practice instead of blaming balance (not that i'm saying you are balance whining; i mean what it generally says). And if you will consider lower leagues, yes, no one would come to an understanding 'cause clearly, it's different in the highest leagues.
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Where will the sc2 proleague vods be available at?
Will they be casted in english?
I dont' know much about BW other than Flash is the super soldier, So I'm really excited to see how the BW Pro's do.
GL to flash!
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The only thing I'm looking forward to flash and other A-class BW players is seeing them crush SC2 players like a rock crushing an eggshell.
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People should take a chill pill. It's just his own opinions and he hasn't even played the game for that long
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On May 14 2012 23:10 white_horse wrote:
The only thing I'm looking forward to flash and other A-class BW players is seeing them crush SC2 players like a rock crushing an eggshell.
Well..I think you would be very disheartened then...I doubt it will happen... I see them rising to a decent level.. But crushing..dont think so... I think they would find that the eggshell they are trying to crush turned out to be made of titanium..and well Rock doesnt crush titanium! So keep dreaming...nothing against you or the BW community, but just a general opinion from a guy who has seen what happens to pro players who want to stick to older games and are not able to adapt to new ones  ...
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On May 14 2012 23:10 white_horse wrote:
The only thing I'm looking forward to flash and other A-class BW players is seeing them crush SC2 players like a rock crushing an eggshell.
Man won't you be upset when Flash gets rocked by GSL code S his first time in it.
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On May 14 2012 23:15 Ashes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2012 23:10 white_horse wrote:
The only thing I'm looking forward to flash and other A-class BW players is seeing them crush SC2 players like a rock crushing an eggshell. Well..I think you would be very disheartened then...I doubt it will happen... I see them rising to a decent level.. But crushing..dont think so... I think they would find that the eggshell they are trying to crush turned out to be made of titanium..and well Rock doesnt crush titanium! So keep dreaming...nothing against you or the BW community, but just a general opinion from a guy who has seen what happens to pro players who want to stick to older games and are not able to adapt to new ones ...
... No he won't ... Yes he will ... No he won't ... Yes he will ... No he won't ... Yes he will ... No he won't ... Yes he will 
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On May 14 2012 23:17 sluggaslamoo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2012 23:15 Ashes wrote:On May 14 2012 23:10 white_horse wrote:
The only thing I'm looking forward to flash and other A-class BW players is seeing them crush SC2 players like a rock crushing an eggshell. Well..I think you would be very disheartened then...I doubt it will happen... I see them rising to a decent level.. But crushing..dont think so... I think they would find that the eggshell they are trying to crush turned out to be made of titanium..and well Rock doesnt crush titanium! So keep dreaming...nothing against you or the BW community, but just a general opinion from a guy who has seen what happens to pro players who want to stick to older games and are not able to adapt to new ones ... ... No he won't ... Yes he will ... No he won't ... Yes he will ... No he won't ... Yes he will ... No he won't ... Yes he will
Yes he will
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On May 14 2012 23:15 Ashes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2012 23:10 white_horse wrote:
The only thing I'm looking forward to flash and other A-class BW players is seeing them crush SC2 players like a rock crushing an eggshell. Well..I think you would be very disheartened then...I doubt it will happen... I see them rising to a decent level.. But crushing..dont think so... I think they would find that the eggshell they are trying to crush turned out to be made of titanium..and well Rock doesnt crush titanium! So keep dreaming...nothing against you or the BW community, but just a general opinion from a guy who has seen what happens to pro players who want to stick to older games and are not able to adapt to new ones ...
I think he's adapting just fine.
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On May 14 2012 20:59 BrandFilt wrote:
The difference between a person playing T and a person playing P or Z is that the T will probably be ranked lower as the other races are more forgiving and doesn't require you to pressure the oppenent and micro.
you got it all backwards.
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flash agrees with me on everything he said in the interview, turns out we are gonna be best friends :D
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after a bunch more practice flash will be a top tier sc2 players. forgg is able to do decent in gsl after playing sc2 for awhile and hes not that super epic in bw.
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Thanks for the interview! I know everyone is eating up all BW/SC2 content right now ^_^
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On May 15 2012 00:16 wcr.4fun wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2012 20:59 BrandFilt wrote:
The difference between a person playing T and a person playing P or Z is that the T will probably be ranked lower as the other races are more forgiving and doesn't require you to pressure the oppenent and micro. you got it all backwards.
No he's right. Terran does bad late game against P and Z. Even Artosis frowns upon a late-game oriented TvZ.
The P army on the other side gets unstoppable if it doesn't suffer losses that damage the composition. It forces early engagements from T.
Only in the Mirror can you draw things out without a ticking time-bomb. The vP and vZ micro is infinitely hard in terms of micro too.
I agree with who you're quoting. Terran is the hardest race to master at a competitive level, Terran unit control is just ridiculously hard.
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this is funny how most gamers (even progamers) think their race is underpowered. If protoss is so good why not switch it right now. Come on Flash you are only starting your sc2 career its not like you are losing the hardearned experience.
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