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memcpy
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States459 Posts
May 14 2012 12:00 GMT
#1201
On May 14 2012 20:49 aksfjh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2012 20:23 ceaRshaf wrote:
On May 14 2012 20:07 Lunareste wrote:
On May 14 2012 20:03 ceaRshaf wrote:
Terran has the most players that master the race. Protoss just now are making their kings. MC is the only one that is a proven toss king. Zerg also has a few, but much less than terrans.

I can't even comprehend how Terran still complain being the weakest when every data we have point the other way. EVERY DATA!


Well all data except the most recent with the most up to date balancing via patches. I guess that isn't as important as how Terran did in the past?


Recent data:

Thorzaine wins DH.

MVP in GSL finals.

Lucifron wins Scan in a tvt with Thorzaine.

MMA wins Iron squid.

But oh noes, it's the first month that Terran falls in the overall win ratio statistics under 50%. Something must be done. You are so used to be on top and call that balance.

I never understand this. A handful of obviously awesome players play Terran. We know who they are, and it's quite obvious that they are tip-top players. If any of them make it to the finals of a tournament, nobody is the least bit surprised. But, somehow, with all this established skill, their wins are diminished by balance idiots who insist they win because they play Terran. They would rather see players like Hero, Parting, and Zenio replace half of them, even though their play isn't even close in terms of consistency and outright skill.


Did you ever consider that consistency may have more to do with the race than the group of players who play that race? Maybe it has to do with being more reactive and having less map vision? Perhaps there's a reason why blizzard focused on improving scouting for zerg and protoss rather than buffing an attacking unit (queen doesn't really count).
Hypemeup
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden2783 Posts
May 14 2012 12:10 GMT
#1202
On May 14 2012 21:00 memcpy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2012 20:49 aksfjh wrote:
On May 14 2012 20:23 ceaRshaf wrote:
On May 14 2012 20:07 Lunareste wrote:
On May 14 2012 20:03 ceaRshaf wrote:
Terran has the most players that master the race. Protoss just now are making their kings. MC is the only one that is a proven toss king. Zerg also has a few, but much less than terrans.

I can't even comprehend how Terran still complain being the weakest when every data we have point the other way. EVERY DATA!


Well all data except the most recent with the most up to date balancing via patches. I guess that isn't as important as how Terran did in the past?


Recent data:

Thorzaine wins DH.

MVP in GSL finals.

Lucifron wins Scan in a tvt with Thorzaine.

MMA wins Iron squid.

But oh noes, it's the first month that Terran falls in the overall win ratio statistics under 50%. Something must be done. You are so used to be on top and call that balance.

I never understand this. A handful of obviously awesome players play Terran. We know who they are, and it's quite obvious that they are tip-top players. If any of them make it to the finals of a tournament, nobody is the least bit surprised. But, somehow, with all this established skill, their wins are diminished by balance idiots who insist they win because they play Terran. They would rather see players like Hero, Parting, and Zenio replace half of them, even though their play isn't even close in terms of consistency and outright skill.


Did you ever consider that consistency may have more to do with the race than the group of players who play that race? Maybe it has to do with being more reactive and having less map vision? Perhaps there's a reason why blizzard focused on improving scouting for zerg and protoss rather than buffing an attacking unit (queen doesn't really count).


He is talking about consistency of play.
Micro_Jackson
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany2002 Posts
May 14 2012 12:13 GMT
#1203
60 pages... it´s like the pilot says "someone" on board is ill, and half of the passengers will have imagined pain and feeling sick immediately.

These questions on interviews are just ridicules. What should he say?

Balance is great --> BW fans will flame him and kespa and Barrack Obama for forcing him to say that.

Balance is ok --> SC2 is so bad that even Flash don´t understand it or see "Balance is great".

Balance sucks --> Everyone will blame him to say that and play terran. And 66% of TL will unpacking the "Terrans win 110% of all tournaments sledgehammer".


Please stop asking such questions with no proper answer.
aksfjh
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4853 Posts
May 14 2012 12:15 GMT
#1204
On May 14 2012 21:10 Hypemeup wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2012 21:00 memcpy wrote:
On May 14 2012 20:49 aksfjh wrote:
On May 14 2012 20:23 ceaRshaf wrote:
On May 14 2012 20:07 Lunareste wrote:
On May 14 2012 20:03 ceaRshaf wrote:
Terran has the most players that master the race. Protoss just now are making their kings. MC is the only one that is a proven toss king. Zerg also has a few, but much less than terrans.

I can't even comprehend how Terran still complain being the weakest when every data we have point the other way. EVERY DATA!


Well all data except the most recent with the most up to date balancing via patches. I guess that isn't as important as how Terran did in the past?


Recent data:

Thorzaine wins DH.

MVP in GSL finals.

Lucifron wins Scan in a tvt with Thorzaine.

MMA wins Iron squid.

But oh noes, it's the first month that Terran falls in the overall win ratio statistics under 50%. Something must be done. You are so used to be on top and call that balance.

I never understand this. A handful of obviously awesome players play Terran. We know who they are, and it's quite obvious that they are tip-top players. If any of them make it to the finals of a tournament, nobody is the least bit surprised. But, somehow, with all this established skill, their wins are diminished by balance idiots who insist they win because they play Terran. They would rather see players like Hero, Parting, and Zenio replace half of them, even though their play isn't even close in terms of consistency and outright skill.


Did you ever consider that consistency may have more to do with the race than the group of players who play that race? Maybe it has to do with being more reactive and having less map vision? Perhaps there's a reason why blizzard focused on improving scouting for zerg and protoss rather than buffing an attacking unit (queen doesn't really count).


He is talking about consistency of play.

This. They make bad decisions or micro/macro poorly more often than their Terran counterpart.
Neurosis
Profile Joined October 2010
United States893 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-14 12:18:19
May 14 2012 12:17 GMT
#1205
On May 14 2012 21:00 memcpy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2012 20:49 aksfjh wrote:
On May 14 2012 20:23 ceaRshaf wrote:
On May 14 2012 20:07 Lunareste wrote:
On May 14 2012 20:03 ceaRshaf wrote:
Terran has the most players that master the race. Protoss just now are making their kings. MC is the only one that is a proven toss king. Zerg also has a few, but much less than terrans.

I can't even comprehend how Terran still complain being the weakest when every data we have point the other way. EVERY DATA!


Well all data except the most recent with the most up to date balancing via patches. I guess that isn't as important as how Terran did in the past?


Recent data:

Thorzaine wins DH.

MVP in GSL finals.

Lucifron wins Scan in a tvt with Thorzaine.

MMA wins Iron squid.

But oh noes, it's the first month that Terran falls in the overall win ratio statistics under 50%. Something must be done. You are so used to be on top and call that balance.

I never understand this. A handful of obviously awesome players play Terran. We know who they are, and it's quite obvious that they are tip-top players. If any of them make it to the finals of a tournament, nobody is the least bit surprised. But, somehow, with all this established skill, their wins are diminished by balance idiots who insist they win because they play Terran. They would rather see players like Hero, Parting, and Zenio replace half of them, even though their play isn't even close in terms of consistency and outright skill.


Did you ever consider that consistency may have more to do with the race than the group of players who play that race? Maybe it has to do with being more reactive and having less map vision? Perhaps there's a reason why blizzard focused on improving scouting for zerg and protoss rather than buffing an attacking unit (queen doesn't really count).


I think the scouting buffs were made simply because now we have all the enormous "pro" maps on the ladder. With terran, a scan doesn't have to travel across a massive map, you just use it (hence no terran scouting buffs). Assuming the game was balanced for Blizzard size maps, it's not surprising they sped up ovies and obs now that the majority of the maps are like twice the size as was originally intended.

That said, the queen buff was completely unnecessary. I feel they only did it because zerg players are stuck on this Spanishiwa style opener and they are refusing to use something else. All this is my view on it of course, not saying it's exactly why the changes were made.
pOnarreT
Profile Joined March 2012
155 Posts
May 14 2012 12:22 GMT
#1206
On May 14 2012 20:49 aksfjh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2012 20:23 ceaRshaf wrote:
On May 14 2012 20:07 Lunareste wrote:
On May 14 2012 20:03 ceaRshaf wrote:
Terran has the most players that master the race. Protoss just now are making their kings. MC is the only one that is a proven toss king. Zerg also has a few, but much less than terrans.

I can't even comprehend how Terran still complain being the weakest when every data we have point the other way. EVERY DATA!


Well all data except the most recent with the most up to date balancing via patches. I guess that isn't as important as how Terran did in the past?


Recent data:

Thorzaine wins DH.

MVP in GSL finals.

Lucifron wins Scan in a tvt with Thorzaine.

MMA wins Iron squid.

But oh noes, it's the first month that Terran falls in the overall win ratio statistics under 50%. Something must be done. You are so used to be on top and call that balance.

I never understand this. A handful of obviously awesome players play Terran. We know who they are, and it's quite obvious that they are tip-top players. If any of them make it to the finals of a tournament, nobody is the least bit surprised. But, somehow, with all this established skill, their wins are diminished by balance idiots who insist they win because they play Terran. They would rather see players like Hero, Parting, and Zenio replace half of them, even though their play isn't even close in terms of consistency and outright skill.



It means that until you get to the point where you are as good as them, you'd best practice instead of blaming balance (not that i'm saying you are balance whining; i mean what it generally says). And if you will consider lower leagues, yes, no one would come to an understanding 'cause clearly, it's different in the highest leagues.
purecarnagge
Profile Joined August 2010
719 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-14 13:51:28
May 14 2012 13:50 GMT
#1207
Where will the sc2 proleague vods be available at?

Will they be casted in english?


I dont' know much about BW other than Flash is the super soldier, So I'm really excited to see how the BW Pro's do.

GL to flash!
white_horse
Profile Joined July 2010
1019 Posts
May 14 2012 14:10 GMT
#1208
The only thing I'm looking forward to flash and other A-class BW players is seeing them crush SC2 players like a rock crushing an eggshell.
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DawN883
Profile Joined November 2011
Sweden558 Posts
May 14 2012 14:12 GMT
#1209
People should take a chill pill. It's just his own opinions and he hasn't even played the game for that long
If the dead are not raised, Let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we die
Ashes
Profile Joined January 2011
United States362 Posts
May 14 2012 14:15 GMT
#1210
On May 14 2012 23:10 white_horse wrote:
The only thing I'm looking forward to flash and other A-class BW players is seeing them crush SC2 players like a rock crushing an eggshell.



Well..I think you would be very disheartened then...I doubt it will happen... I see them rising to a decent level.. But crushing..dont think so... I think they would find that the eggshell they are trying to crush turned out to be made of titanium..and well Rock doesnt crush titanium! So keep dreaming...nothing against you or the BW community, but just a general opinion from a guy who has seen what happens to pro players who want to stick to older games and are not able to adapt to new ones ...
mizak
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada27 Posts
May 14 2012 14:15 GMT
#1211
On May 14 2012 23:10 white_horse wrote:
The only thing I'm looking forward to flash and other A-class BW players is seeing them crush SC2 players like a rock crushing an eggshell.


Man won't you be upset when Flash gets rocked by GSL code S his first time in it.
sluggaslamoo
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Australia4494 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-14 14:17:56
May 14 2012 14:17 GMT
#1212
On May 14 2012 23:15 Ashes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2012 23:10 white_horse wrote:
The only thing I'm looking forward to flash and other A-class BW players is seeing them crush SC2 players like a rock crushing an eggshell.



Well..I think you would be very disheartened then...I doubt it will happen... I see them rising to a decent level.. But crushing..dont think so... I think they would find that the eggshell they are trying to crush turned out to be made of titanium..and well Rock doesnt crush titanium! So keep dreaming...nothing against you or the BW community, but just a general opinion from a guy who has seen what happens to pro players who want to stick to older games and are not able to adapt to new ones ...


... No he won't ... Yes he will ... No he won't ... Yes he will ... No he won't ... Yes he will ... No he won't ... Yes he will
Come play Android Netrunner - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=409008
Kznn
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil9072 Posts
May 14 2012 14:32 GMT
#1213
On May 14 2012 23:17 sluggaslamoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2012 23:15 Ashes wrote:
On May 14 2012 23:10 white_horse wrote:
The only thing I'm looking forward to flash and other A-class BW players is seeing them crush SC2 players like a rock crushing an eggshell.



Well..I think you would be very disheartened then...I doubt it will happen... I see them rising to a decent level.. But crushing..dont think so... I think they would find that the eggshell they are trying to crush turned out to be made of titanium..and well Rock doesnt crush titanium! So keep dreaming...nothing against you or the BW community, but just a general opinion from a guy who has seen what happens to pro players who want to stick to older games and are not able to adapt to new ones ...


... No he won't ... Yes he will ... No he won't ... Yes he will ... No he won't ... Yes he will ... No he won't ... Yes he will



Yes he will
starfries
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada3508 Posts
May 14 2012 15:13 GMT
#1214
On May 14 2012 23:15 Ashes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2012 23:10 white_horse wrote:
The only thing I'm looking forward to flash and other A-class BW players is seeing them crush SC2 players like a rock crushing an eggshell.



Well..I think you would be very disheartened then...I doubt it will happen... I see them rising to a decent level.. But crushing..dont think so... I think they would find that the eggshell they are trying to crush turned out to be made of titanium..and well Rock doesnt crush titanium! So keep dreaming...nothing against you or the BW community, but just a general opinion from a guy who has seen what happens to pro players who want to stick to older games and are not able to adapt to new ones ...

I think he's adapting just fine.
DJ – do you like ramen, Savior? Savior – not really. Bisu – I eat it often. Flash – I’m a maniac! | Foxer Fighting!
wcr.4fun
Profile Joined April 2012
Belgium686 Posts
May 14 2012 15:16 GMT
#1215
On May 14 2012 20:59 BrandFilt wrote:
The difference between a person playing T and a person playing P or Z is that the T will probably be ranked lower as the other races are more forgiving and doesn't require you to pressure the oppenent and micro.


you got it all backwards.
HeeroFX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2704 Posts
May 14 2012 15:18 GMT
#1216
flash agrees with me on everything he said in the interview, turns out we are gonna be best friends :D
aintz
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada5624 Posts
May 14 2012 15:21 GMT
#1217
after a bunch more practice flash will be a top tier sc2 players. forgg is able to do decent in gsl after playing sc2 for awhile and hes not that super epic in bw.
TheRealNanMan
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1471 Posts
May 14 2012 15:27 GMT
#1218
Thanks for the interview! I know everyone is eating up all BW/SC2 content right now ^_^
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Fyodor
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada971 Posts
May 14 2012 15:30 GMT
#1219
On May 15 2012 00:16 wcr.4fun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2012 20:59 BrandFilt wrote:
The difference between a person playing T and a person playing P or Z is that the T will probably be ranked lower as the other races are more forgiving and doesn't require you to pressure the oppenent and micro.


you got it all backwards.

No he's right. Terran does bad late game against P and Z. Even Artosis frowns upon a late-game oriented TvZ.

The P army on the other side gets unstoppable if it doesn't suffer losses that damage the composition. It forces early engagements from T.

Only in the Mirror can you draw things out without a ticking time-bomb. The vP and vZ micro is infinitely hard in terms of micro too.

I agree with who you're quoting. Terran is the hardest race to master at a competitive level, Terran unit control is just ridiculously hard.
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Cheerio
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Ukraine3178 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-14 15:34:45
May 14 2012 15:33 GMT
#1220
this is funny how most gamers (even progamers) think their race is underpowered. If protoss is so good why not switch it right now. Come on Flash you are only starting your sc2 career its not like you are losing the hardearned experience.
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