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Why is everyone so blind?
This is awful for the scene, they just put up a kespa-mlg restriction to all the kespa soon-to-be SC2 players and you are happy about it?
All the players signed with kespa will only be able to play in either MLG or kespa tournaments.
Which means no GSL, GSTL, IPL, DH, NASL, WCG and tons more.
It's just the same old kespa, but this time they recognized the "foreign power" in the SC2 scene, so rather than just starting a monopoly by themselves, which would not have been possible since the foreign scene has way too much money into SC2, they called in a foreign organization to start an oligopoly together and do just what they did in BW, cut off ALL contacts and interaction with tons of other SC2 tournaments.
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I'm interested in how this will affect the scene in the next year.
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On May 11 2012 18:57 zezamer wrote:
How can you know ?
Mhm I don't know, this topic, kespa's past and Sundance's
No comment on the exclusivity other than to say that it is exclusive.
tweet?
They're just getting ready to milk the users with tons of PPV events strictly Kespa-MLG exclusive, riding off the hype of the "OMG BW PLAYERS INCOMING" circlejerk.
They even announced a BW pros-only showtournament at Anaheim.
Why do you think they'd do that?
Just imagine watching Flash and Firebathero getting 2-0'd by State and Illusion in the normal Anaheim tournament.
Must be pretty rough for the fankids heh?
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On May 11 2012 18:57 Zealot Orgy wrote:
It's just the same old kespa, but this time they recognized the "foreign power" in the SC2 scene, so rather than just starting a monopoly by themselves, which would not have been possible since the foreign scene has way too much money into SC2, they called in a foreign organization to start an oligopoly together and do just what they did in BW, cut off ALL contacts and interaction with tons of other SC2 tournaments.
It does slightly smell like that, but don't you think that if they would actually do that, they'd shoot themselves in the foot? BW pros have a novelty value, but in the long run they will have to prove themselves against existing SC2 champions. If they can't produce results fast (which frankly I don't think they will, they need time to adapt), their novelty value will dissapear over time.
Also, the foreign scene is quite big. People support players like Stephano, Huk, Mana, Thorzain, Nerchio, Idra and WhiteRa, just to name a few. As long as there's money for other tournaments, those players will keep participating and people will be watching. If KeSPA wants to reach a foreign audience, they will eventually need to look beyond MLG.
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Shit just got real. this is epic
And with any luck it wont be pay only 
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Why are people assuming the least natural interpretation of exclusive? Exclusive agreement between two companies would most naturally and obviously mean that the agreement is exclusive, i.e. that neither company is allowed to enter into a similar agreement with any other company. It would be very weird to call this an exclusive agreement if they meant that the deal would involve exclusive participation in one of the organization's leagues for players that are represented by the other organization. Exclusive agreement describes the nature of the agreement itself, not the nature of some of the content within the agreement.
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With Flash officially going (https://twitter.com/#!/MLGSundance/status/200845945196392448), and MLG partnering with KeSPA, this is gonna be awesome. KeSPA doesn't have the power it had in BW to be a monopolizing tyrant, and MLG has just consistently been on top of its game with making the right decisions.
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I will cry blood if I see Firebathero playing protoss
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On May 11 2012 19:09 Blennd wrote:
Why are people assuming the least natural interpretation of exclusive? Exclusive agreement between two companies would most naturally and obviously mean that the agreement is exclusive, i.e. that neither company is allowed to enter into a similar agreement with any other company. It would be very weird to call this an exclusive agreement if they meant that the deal would involve exclusive participation in one of the organization's leagues for players that are represented by the other organization. Exclusive agreement describes the nature of the agreement itself, not the nature of some of the content within the agreement.
Agreed. Seems like people are jumping the gun a bit. I guess we will see with time. Maybe it's exclusive for a bit while they get their skill up and are more competative so as to not be thrown in to the wolves den. Anyway exciting news either way.
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On May 11 2012 18:57 Zealot Orgy wrote:
Why is everyone so blind?
This is awful for the scene, they just put up a kespa-mlg restriction to all the kespa soon-to-be SC2 players and you are happy about it?
All the players signed with kespa will only be able to play in either MLG or kespa tournaments.
Which means no GSL, GSTL, IPL, DH, NASL, WCG and tons more.
It's just the same old kespa, but this time they recognized the "foreign power" in the SC2 scene, so rather than just starting a monopoly by themselves, which would not have been possible since the foreign scene has way too much money into SC2, they called in a foreign organization to start an oligopoly together and do just what they did in BW, cut off ALL contacts and interaction with tons of other SC2 tournaments.
Didn't KeSPA clearly state their intentions to make the GSL like the MSL? Isn't the GSTL rumored to be combined with the Proleague? Didn't KeSPA always endorse entry into WCG and Blizzcon?
What is it you want, exactly? BW players traveling constantly, with no time to develop their SC2 skills and korean fanbase?
The only loser here is IPL.
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On May 11 2012 15:11 Tachion wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 15:08 MLGAnnouncements wrote:
[marking the first time in eSports history that KeSPA players will participate in video game tournaments in the United States.
...WCG?
BlizzCon?
It kind of sukcs. I'd much rather prefere partnership with DreamHack :/
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On May 11 2012 18:57 Zealot Orgy wrote:
Why is everyone so blind?
This is awful for the scene, they just put up a kespa-mlg restriction to all the kespa soon-to-be SC2 players and you are happy about it?
All the players signed with kespa will only be able to play in either MLG or kespa tournaments.
Which means no GSL, GSTL, IPL, DH, NASL, WCG and tons more.
It's just the same old kespa, but this time they recognized the "foreign power" in the SC2 scene, so rather than just starting a monopoly by themselves, which would not have been possible since the foreign scene has way too much money into SC2, they called in a foreign organization to start an oligopoly together and do just what they did in BW, cut off ALL contacts and interaction with tons of other SC2 tournaments.
My thoughts exactly, the more I think about it the more this deal concerns me. IMO this goes against the spirit of the 'Blizzard-KeSPA-OnGameNet-Gretech to Join Forces for eSports Vision' announcement made just last week.
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Cautiously intrigued. Will have to see where they go with this. "Exclusive" is a word that pops out, so it would have been nice for them to have cleared that up.
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Nice. Europe needs to do something now!
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Really don't like that exclusivity clause.
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On May 11 2012 19:20 nimdil wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 15:11 Tachion wrote:On May 11 2012 15:08 MLGAnnouncements wrote:
[marking the first time in eSports history that KeSPA players will participate in video game tournaments in the United States.
...WCG? BlizzCon? It kind of sukcs. I'd much rather prefere partnership with DreamHack :/
all Dreamhack has to do is have a partnership with MLG
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On May 11 2012 18:39 W2 wrote:
Can't help but feel Gomtv got royally fucked in the ass for this one. A bigger league shows up and just like that MLG has dropped the old for the new. Even though gomtv played a big part in legitimizing the early MLGs (without the Code S seed they would only be $5000 tourneys). But meh, totally fair game in the business world.
I sure hope Gomtv manages to survive. I feel like they are the company that made the biggest sacrifices for e-sports. Sometimes I really wonder how they stay afloat (let alone make profit) when they give out ungodly prizes, fly and house foreigners from across the world, hire kpop girls to interact with players, not to mention they broadcast daily so they have to basically pay their whole production crew full time (compared to all other event-based tournaments).
Where are all these weird comments coming from?
Where does it say anywhere GSL player's won't be at MLG anymore? It doesn't, and they will be. Nothing has changed for GOM. They are the most high level SC2 league in the world and it will stay that way for a year or more at least. Gom has nothing to worry about at all. A league with all the best players, and best English casters for that matter doesn't need to worry.
Unless they are in some bad financial trouble i don't understand why everyone is suddenly worried for GOM.
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On May 11 2012 19:09 Blennd wrote:
Why are people assuming the least natural interpretation of exclusive? Exclusive agreement between two companies would most naturally and obviously mean that the agreement is exclusive, i.e. that neither company is allowed to enter into a similar agreement with any other company. It would be very weird to call this an exclusive agreement if they meant that the deal would involve exclusive participation in one of the organization's leagues for players that are represented by the other organization. Exclusive agreement describes the nature of the agreement itself, not the nature of some of the content within the agreement.
The only thing KeSPA has is ownership of the players and Proleague. MLG obviously has no players/teams under it's belt to take part in Proleague so it has to do with KeSPA players. Using your description, neither company (KeSPA) is allowed to enter into a similar agreement (allowing use of KeSPA players) with any other company. (IPL, DH, GSL) Not sure what else exclusivity with KeSPA can offer.
Hopefully it doesn't end up that way, but I really don't see what the point of exclusivity is otherwise.
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