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On May 11 2012 18:57 Zealot Orgy wrote:
Why is everyone so blind?
This is awful for the scene, they just put up a kespa-mlg restriction to all the kespa soon-to-be SC2 players and you are happy about it?
All the players signed with kespa will only be able to play in either MLG or kespa tournaments.
Which means no GSL, GSTL, IPL, DH, NASL, WCG and tons more.
It's just the same old kespa, but this time they recognized the "foreign power" in the SC2 scene, so rather than just starting a monopoly by themselves, which would not have been possible since the foreign scene has way too much money into SC2, they called in a foreign organization to start an oligopoly together and do just what they did in BW, cut off ALL contacts and interaction with tons of other SC2 tournaments.
Its not Kespa fault that West is not interested in following progaming. In 2 years it will be a repeat of BW's podium for Koreans ALWAYS. If you start sending NBA teams around the world they would start crushing opposition also. Now the question is what organizers will do in 2-3 years when the gap will be BW-like. Restricting Koreans like TSL earlier, or making Koreans west-friendly like current SC2 ones. Because SC2 will be global Korean esport. Blaming Kespa for this is like blaming someone for being too good. NBA is not accepting all the players, they are accepting the best ones that fit their league. Kespa was never anti-foreigner they gave free cards for foreigners like IdrA. Its just the ammount of sacriface needed to be even recognized there was incredibly high.
The fact is Korea took a gamble many years ago and made BW televised, made houses, pulled national sponsors etc., west hide their heads in sand and acknowledged BW "old game" because they couldn't compete with that. You are not understanding 1 fact, that mini-BW is already happening with scraps of BW scene that went to SC2, SC2 the unpopular game in Korea is beating world best ESPORTS nr1. in 2-3 years when SC2 will be recognizible game in Korea you will forget about foreigner pride. Like we forgot about Grrr....*
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On May 11 2012 19:18 Novalisk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 18:57 Zealot Orgy wrote:
Why is everyone so blind?
This is awful for the scene, they just put up a kespa-mlg restriction to all the kespa soon-to-be SC2 players and you are happy about it?
All the players signed with kespa will only be able to play in either MLG or kespa tournaments.
Which means no GSL, GSTL, IPL, DH, NASL, WCG and tons more.
It's just the same old kespa, but this time they recognized the "foreign power" in the SC2 scene, so rather than just starting a monopoly by themselves, which would not have been possible since the foreign scene has way too much money into SC2, they called in a foreign organization to start an oligopoly together and do just what they did in BW, cut off ALL contacts and interaction with tons of other SC2 tournaments. Didn't KeSPA clearly state their intentions to make the GSL like the MSL? Isn't the GSTL rumored to be combined with the Proleague? Didn't KeSPA always endorse entry into WCG and Blizzcon? What is it you want, exactly? BW players traveling constantly, with no time to develop their SC2 skills and korean fanbase? The only loser here is IPL.
Yeah I don't understand some people here and on reddit either. They freak out because they won't play at every tournament there is. Guess what, there is other things than 3-days-weekend tournaments (and they ain't even that good game quality vise compared to league matches). KeSPA players have 2 Proleague seasons per year, 5 months per season (It's 5 right?) and there is alot of preparation for their matches every week.
You are way to selfish if the only thing you can think of is that they won't play at DH, IPL, NASL, GSL and GSTL(lol) and whatever more tournaments there is out there. If you want to see them play you watch Proleague (and now MLG I guess). Pretty simple.
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On May 11 2012 19:23 Xpace wrote:
Nice. Europe needs to do something now!
They can provide the foreign players.
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On May 11 2012 19:09 Blennd wrote:
Why are people assuming the least natural interpretation of exclusive? Exclusive agreement between two companies would most naturally and obviously mean that the agreement is exclusive, i.e. that neither company is allowed to enter into a similar agreement with any other company. It would be very weird to call this an exclusive agreement if they meant that the deal would involve exclusive participation in one of the organization's leagues for players that are represented by the other organization. Exclusive agreement describes the nature of the agreement itself, not the nature of some of the content within the agreement.
Then how to you describe exclusive agreement which is actually exclusive ? Official announcements should be worded the right way, because otherwise this is what happens.
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No chance of seeing Flash at the next IEM Kiev?
Well, shit 
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They are yet to announce all content featuring Kespa players will be "Only available on MLG PPV!".
I want to see Kespa players play BW, but not like this :/ Exclusivity on players is a ridiculous idea in the current state of Sc2.
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BW players playing SC2 in Anaheim... Huge surprise. I can't actually believe that.
Also I don't know how this partnership will work. KeSPA players are busy most of the time and I don't think that there will be huge windows where they can go to MLG. Even if they find the time, that traveling will reduce their practice time and the level of their play which is bad.
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On May 11 2012 18:57 Zealot Orgy wrote:
Why is everyone so blind?
This is awful for the scene, they just put up a kespa-mlg restriction to all the kespa soon-to-be SC2 players and you are happy about it?
All the players signed with kespa will only be able to play in either MLG or kespa tournaments.
Which means no GSL, GSTL, IPL, DH, NASL, WCG and tons more.
It's just the same old kespa, but this time they recognized the "foreign power" in the SC2 scene, so rather than just starting a monopoly by themselves, which would not have been possible since the foreign scene has way too much money into SC2, they called in a foreign organization to start an oligopoly together and do just what they did in BW, cut off ALL contacts and interaction with tons of other SC2 tournaments.
Funny because in the previous announcements and interviews it was specifically stated that they wish to compete in the GSL and possibly the GSL. Also OGN want GSL and Kespa players in their league. I don't see why everyone is so butthurt right now. So we have these Kespa players which will be good. News flash, they aren't right now and we have a great enough scene anyway. If they want to go all monopoly bullshit then they won't be able to do it for a while.
You also forget the fact that a lot of Korean teams actually want to keep their players in Korea for the majority of the time, because the traveling hurts GSL performance as such. So if what said above was true Koreans will have 3 or 4 tournaments to practice for, also MLG. Plus all the current koreans can still go ANYWHERE. Also, if you are a sc2 fan you were gna watch MLG anyway. Also, it's free.
I just think this is less of an issue that people make out. Dreamhack shows this. One of the best tournaments to date, with a ton of viewers and production quality, and it has like the least amount of koreans for a long time.
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On May 11 2012 19:33 Alexj wrote:No chance of seeing Flash at the next IEM Kiev? Well, shit
If this exclusivity deal really happens I feel bad for all the European fans that will never get to see their favorite BW pro-gamers in person.
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On May 11 2012 19:40 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 19:33 Alexj wrote:No chance of seeing Flash at the next IEM Kiev? Well, shit If this exclusivity deal really happens I feel bad for all the European fans that will never get to see their favorite BW pro-gamers in person.
Sundance tweeted a couple days ago there might be an MLG/IEM partnership, So expect something with that.
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On May 11 2012 19:37 Rainfall7711 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 11 2012 18:57 Zealot Orgy wrote:
Why is everyone so blind?
This is awful for the scene, they just put up a kespa-mlg restriction to all the kespa soon-to-be SC2 players and you are happy about it?
All the players signed with kespa will only be able to play in either MLG or kespa tournaments.
Which means no GSL, GSTL, IPL, DH, NASL, WCG and tons more.
It's just the same old kespa, but this time they recognized the "foreign power" in the SC2 scene, so rather than just starting a monopoly by themselves, which would not have been possible since the foreign scene has way too much money into SC2, they called in a foreign organization to start an oligopoly together and do just what they did in BW, cut off ALL contacts and interaction with tons of other SC2 tournaments. Funny because in the previous announcements and interviews it was specifically stated that they wish to compete in the GSL and possibly the GSL. Also OGN want GSL and Kespa players in their league. I don't see why everyone is so butthurt right now. So we have these Kespa players which will be good. News flash, they aren't right now and we have a great enough scene anyway. If they want to go all monopoly bullshit then they won't be able to do it for a while. You also forget the fact that a lot of Korean teams actually want to keep their players in Korea for the majority of the time, because the traveling hurts GSL performance as such. So if what said above was true Koreans will have 3 or 4 tournaments to practice for, also MLG. Plus all the current koreans can still go ANYWHERE. Also, if you are a sc2 fan you were gna watch MLG anyway. Also, it's free. I just think this is less of an issue that people make out. Dreamhack shows this. One of the best tournaments to date, with a ton of viewers and production quality, and it has like the least amount of koreans for a long time.
It may or may not be an issue. But thing is if this exlusive deal is real, it is definetely worse for the scene, that it would be if it wasnt exclusive. A lot of people, i think, want to express concern, because they want to see open esports and real competition.
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WCG LA, Blizzcon... "...marking the first time in eSports history that KeSPA players will participate in video game tournaments in the United States." is extremely false and inaccurate, perhaps MLG should reconsider that statement.
On the topic though, I just hope this doesn't mean they won't do more partnerships because it'd be sad to see KeSPA players only playing KeSPA leagues and MLG. There are so many other tournaments out there.
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June 9 - The day TBLS started to stomp foreigners!
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On May 11 2012 19:40 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 19:33 Alexj wrote:No chance of seeing Flash at the next IEM Kiev? Well, shit If this exclusivity deal really happens I feel bad for all the European fans that will never get to see their favorite BW pro-gamers in person.
Wax translated the official Kespa press release. There was nothing about the fact that MLG was a exclusive tournament for kespa teams
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On May 11 2012 19:44 NightOfTheDead wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 19:37 Rainfall7711 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 11 2012 18:57 Zealot Orgy wrote:
Why is everyone so blind?
This is awful for the scene, they just put up a kespa-mlg restriction to all the kespa soon-to-be SC2 players and you are happy about it?
All the players signed with kespa will only be able to play in either MLG or kespa tournaments.
Which means no GSL, GSTL, IPL, DH, NASL, WCG and tons more.
It's just the same old kespa, but this time they recognized the "foreign power" in the SC2 scene, so rather than just starting a monopoly by themselves, which would not have been possible since the foreign scene has way too much money into SC2, they called in a foreign organization to start an oligopoly together and do just what they did in BW, cut off ALL contacts and interaction with tons of other SC2 tournaments. Funny because in the previous announcements and interviews it was specifically stated that they wish to compete in the GSL and possibly the GSL. Also OGN want GSL and Kespa players in their league. I don't see why everyone is so butthurt right now. So we have these Kespa players which will be good. News flash, they aren't right now and we have a great enough scene anyway. If they want to go all monopoly bullshit then they won't be able to do it for a while. You also forget the fact that a lot of Korean teams actually want to keep their players in Korea for the majority of the time, because the traveling hurts GSL performance as such. So if what said above was true Koreans will have 3 or 4 tournaments to practice for, also MLG. Plus all the current koreans can still go ANYWHERE. Also, if you are a sc2 fan you were gna watch MLG anyway. Also, it's free. I just think this is less of an issue that people make out. Dreamhack shows this. One of the best tournaments to date, with a ton of viewers and production quality, and it has like the least amount of koreans for a long time. It may or may not be an issue. But thing is if this exlusive deal is real, it is definetely worse for the scene, that it would be if it wasnt exclusive. A lot of people, i think, want to express concern, because they want to see open esports and real competition.
You simply can't have the best players at every single event. It wasn't the case before and it won't be the case after KeSPA enters SC2. At least this way we have structure.
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On May 11 2012 19:47 Frankon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 19:40 Dodgin wrote:On May 11 2012 19:33 Alexj wrote:No chance of seeing Flash at the next IEM Kiev? Well, shit If this exclusivity deal really happens I feel bad for all the European fans that will never get to see their favorite BW pro-gamers in person. Wax translated the official Kespa press release. There was nothing about the fact that MLG was a exclusive tournament for kespa teams
MLG should have worded their press release better to avoid confusion like this. Not to mention that bit about first time in the US, lol.
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Hey, At least we can hear the end of the lie that is, 'We adore competition competition, we love competition all we want is more competition, we want to have sex with our competition we find them so sexy." which is constantly spouted while they passive aggresively snipe at competing tournaments on Twitter.
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On May 11 2012 19:47 ggrrg wrote:
June 9 - The day TBLS started to stomp foreigners!
lawl, when will you guys understand that they will never be good in SC2, until they stop playing BW...
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On May 11 2012 19:42 zaii wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 19:40 Dodgin wrote:On May 11 2012 19:33 Alexj wrote:No chance of seeing Flash at the next IEM Kiev? Well, shit If this exclusivity deal really happens I feel bad for all the European fans that will never get to see their favorite BW pro-gamers in person. Sundance tweeted a couple days ago there might be an IEM partnership, So expect something with that.
Let's hope there is!
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