EPTOn May 07 2012 05:50 aeN wrote:
Sc2gears still freezes when i click enable plugin
Sc2gears still freezes when i click enable plugin
still freezes here as well be look forward to see it working t.t
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hooktits
United States972 Posts
still freezes here as well be look forward to see it working t.t | ||
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InfCereal
Canada1759 Posts
So if you have an mmr of -12 one game, that would be 12 below your league, where 300 is above and 700 is the next one up? (Something to that effect) | ||
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KalWarkov
Germany4126 Posts
all i can do is to use the multi-replay-analyzer, but when i loaded those replays with it, it still doesnt show anything in the MMR plugin. so eager to see my mmr :/ | ||
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NoBanMeAgain
United States194 Posts
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Kinky
United States4126 Posts
On May 07 2012 08:07 KalWarkov wrote: im new to sc2gears and im somehow unable to have any games shown in the MMR plugin. all i can do is to use the multi-replay-analyzer, but when i loaded those replays with it, it still doesnt show anything in the MMR plugin. so eager to see my mmr :/ To my knowledge, this plugin doesn't read old replays. You leave it open while you ladder and it graphs your MMR changes as your games finish. | ||
T.O.P.
Hong Kong4685 Posts
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
On May 07 2012 08:55 T.O.P. wrote: I think with enough data, you can calculate the Masters to GM offset very accurately. problem is that it's very hard to figure this out when there are only a few spots left. there could be a lot of people with 600-700 mmr that got in when it just opened, but probably a few people that haven't played yet that have very high mmr so you would need 800+ to get in right now | ||
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RotterdamBlt
Canada46 Posts
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mvdunecats
United States102 Posts
On May 07 2012 10:22 RotterdamBlt wrote: I'm still having issues adding the plugin to SC2 Gears. I moved the folder into the plugin folder, but it still won't show up in the manager. Is there something else I have to do? Did you restart sc2gears after copying the files for the plugin? | ||
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Peleus
Australia420 Posts
Edit: Figured it out, never mind. | ||
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RotterdamBlt
Canada46 Posts
On May 07 2012 10:43 mvdunecats wrote: Did you restart sc2gears after copying the files for the plugin? Yeah, I've tried a couple times. Still no change | ||
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T.O.P.
Hong Kong4685 Posts
On May 07 2012 09:14 Alejandrisha wrote: problem is that it's very hard to figure this out when there are only a few spots left. there could be a lot of people with 600-700 mmr that got in when it just opened, but probably a few people that haven't played yet that have very high mmr so you would need 800+ to get in right now I'm talking about the difference in displayed points between gm and masters. Maybe a 1000 pt master = 550 pt gm? What's the offset. | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
On May 07 2012 11:08 T.O.P. wrote: I'm talking about the difference in displayed points between gm and masters. Maybe a 1000 pt master = 550 pt gm? What's the offset. + Show Spoiler + ohhh i see what you mean. i was looking at the sc2ranks gm history thing earlier that seems like it is something that could help with that midseason. though by the looks of it, it doesnt look like blizz wants there to be any conversion or even gm - x = m kind of system. looks like points that you earn in masters are of a completely different nature that those you earn in masters.. i remember last season i fell out 2x and both times i lost like 700 points; 2nd time around getting back in i had significantly less than when i had fallen out the first time. i don't think there's any kind of forumla for that kind of chaos edit: looking at the numbers it seems to be VERY CLOSE to total (accrued bonus pool up to the point of the move from masters --> gm, currently 342) - (player bonus pool at time of move) + some number that seems to be around 85 (you get 90 bonus pool per week in gm, so this might be related), and points from masters league completely ignored. so currently, if your bonus pool is 0, you will have roughly 424 points in gm regardless of your points in masters. gm -> masters = (total accrued BP for all players) - player bonus pool. so if you fell out of gm right now, you'd have roughly 244 points in master league. ouch! to condense a bit.. for moves that occur RIGHT NOW Masters -> GM: points = 424 - personal bonus pool GM -> Masters: points = 424- 180 = 244 IN GENERAL Masters -> GM: ~85 + ( # of weeks since season started * 90) - personal bonus pool GM -> Masters: (90 * # of weeks since season started) - 180 | ||
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skeldark
Germany2223 Posts
On May 07 2012 07:51 HatchetWound wrote: still freezes here as well be look forward to see it working t.t You checked your firewall? do you have newest sc2gear version? do you use mac? i did not test it with mac yet. On May 07 2012 08:06 InfCereal wrote: Am I to understand that the data this is collecting is "league offset" + "MMR"? So if you have an mmr of -12 one game, that would be 12 below your league, where 300 is above and 700 is the next one up? (Something to that effect) No. We collect data to find out the offset. Check the datafile to see what we are collecting. On May 07 2012 09:14 Alejandrisha wrote: problem is that it's very hard to figure this out when there are only a few spots left. there could be a lot of people with 600-700 mmr that got in when it just opened, but probably a few people that haven't played yet that have very high mmr so you would need 800+ to get in right now We dont look at the mmr of people in the league to get the offset. we look at games between "unkown offset" and master. Because we define master as 0 offset and try to find out the difference by over - league games On May 07 2012 11:38 Alejandrisha wrote: + Show Spoiler + ohhh i see what you mean. i was looking at the sc2ranks gm history thing earlier that seems like it is something that could help with that midseason. though by the looks of it, it doesnt look like blizz wants there to be any conversion or even gm - x = m kind of system. looks like points that you earn in masters are of a completely different nature that those you earn in masters.. i remember last season i fell out 2x and both times i lost like 700 points; 2nd time around getting back in i had significantly less than when i had fallen out the first time. i don't think there's any kind of forumla for that kind of chaos edit: looking at the numbers it seems to be VERY CLOSE to total (accrued bonus pool up to the point of the move from masters --> gm, currently 342) - (player bonus pool at time of move) + some number that seems to be around 85 (you get 90 bonus pool per week in gm, so this might be related), and points from masters league completely ignored. so currently, if your bonus pool is 0, you will have roughly 424 points in gm regardless of your points in masters. gm -> masters = (total accrued BP for all players) - player bonus pool. so if you fell out of gm right now, you'd have roughly 244 points in master league. ouch! to condense a bit.. for moves that occur RIGHT NOW Masters -> GM: points = 424 - personal bonus pool GM -> Masters: points = 424- 180 = 244 IN GENERAL Masters -> GM: ~85 + ( # of weeks since season started * 90) - personal bonus pool GM -> Masters: (90 * # of weeks since season started) - 180 if you get demoted/promoted you get 73+ spend bonus pool = points. This is equal for all leagues and don't say anything about the offset. We call adjusted points = points without any bonus influence. The question is: what is the offset between adjusted points. It is hard coded and don't change. i put in gm as 430 as long as we don't know better. The mmr is calculated on the adjusted points of your enemy not on yours. The important number is the change of the points. He change points depending to your adjusted and other way round. So if you points change because of demote/promote the change of the enemy change too and we still know your mmr. ps: To calculate the change in all special cases correctly, is the real task of this program! i use 2 completely different methods and cross-check them. Also if you don't use the ramscanner i still can take some of the data this way. On May 07 2012 08:14 Kinky wrote: To my knowledge, this plugin doesn't read old replays. You leave it open while you ladder and it graphs your MMR changes as your games finish. Exactly. All i read from a replay is the name of the two players. All the data is than life collected before and after the game. So you must have sc2gears open before the game until 30 sec after the game. | ||
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C[h]ili
Germany167 Posts
It is 7 am and I just started the weak knowing my mmr is a meagre 116. Hell, that is depressing! | ||
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skeldark
Germany2223 Posts
On May 07 2012 14:05 C[h]ili wrote: Everything working here now, thanks a lot. It is 7 am and I just started the weak knowing my mmr is a meagre 116. Hell, that is depressing! If did not play a master or gm this is not really your exact mmr. This is more the mmr compare to league/offset of your last enemy. Same with master enemys but we just define master offset as 0. ps: At the moment negative mmr is quite often in masters... | ||
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Peleus
Australia420 Posts
If it's a lot of extra stuff then I'll enable it, but at the moment it's simply saying 'better data'. Can you elaborate please? Thanks. | ||
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Crushgroove
United States793 Posts
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Lefthanded
United States67 Posts
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skeldark
Germany2223 Posts
On May 07 2012 15:18 Peleus wrote: Out of interest, what abilities will I gain by enabling by reading from ram that I don't at the moment? I'm trying to determine the functional differences before I enable something that 'strictly speaking' violates the TOS. If it's a lot of extra stuff then I'll enable it, but at the moment it's simply saying 'better data'. Can you elaborate please? Thanks. I read the name and the id = the bnet page of your opponent from the ram. I need this information: -your profile before game (settings) -opponent profile before game (ram) -your profile after game ( settings or replay) -opponent profile after game (ram or replay) If i only have post data, i can only calculate the mmr in 60% of the cases ( a lost - or a have bonus pool after game) If i have you profile before (what i have in this version), i can calculate your opponent 95% of the time. if i have opponent before game ( with ram scan ), i can calculate your MMR 95% of the time. Not 100% because of special cases e.g. you have 0 points. Also if i have both way -pre-post check and post calculation- the data is way more accurate. I don't want to say the ramscanner is 100% secure but many other harmless programs do the same and no one get banned for using one of them yet. I read 4 values of the memory of sc2. I don't change anything in the ram. i don't read or write any files of sc2 on your hard drive (besides replays). Ethic: the ram of your computer is yours. your computer read it, windows read it, many of the programs you run right now do so, and i dont see any reason for someone to deny me or you to read my own memory. The question is more how i use this data: e.g. read map and show it to you to have an unfair ingame advantage ( maphack) Practice: sc2 or warden can not detect the ramscann. what they can do, is flag my program as cheat and let warden search for it. But i don't see any reason why they should do this. On May 07 2012 15:32 Lefthanded wrote: Does it show the rating for sub master matches? It does. I show always the rating compare to the league+tier of your enemy. (disable known tiers only) Because there are more than 1 tier in dia and under, we dont know in what tier your enemy is = cant compare the mmr. However we need this data to find out. Even if the data is not 100% accurate for you it would be nice if you upload it. Overall i can say, that even without knowing the tier (because you play mostly the same mmr guys = tier guys) you get kind of accurate data over your improvement. You will sometimes see strange spikes when you play against a tier that is way higher - lower than your own. As soon as we know the tiers, i unlock a function to download the Tierfiles and you can compare your data with all leagues. To test my program i did a lot of laddergames. Because i care for the data not the result i lost them all ^^ (sorry who ever run against my 1 min leave or my bad executed 6 pool) the data i see in so far in lower league show exactly what it should: i suck... | ||
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