• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 09:06
CEST 15:06
KST 22:06
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall9HomeStory Cup 27 - Info & Preview18Classic wins Code S Season 2 (2025)16Code S RO4 & Finals Preview: herO, Rogue, Classic, GuMiho0TL Team Map Contest #5: Presented by Monster Energy6
Community News
Flash Announces Hiatus From ASL54Weekly Cups (June 23-29): Reynor in world title form?13FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $8000 live event16Esports World Cup 2025 - Final Player Roster16Weekly Cups (June 16-22): Clem strikes back1
StarCraft 2
General
Weekly Cups (June 23-29): Reynor in world title form? The SCII GOAT: A statistical Evaluation PiG Sty Festival #5: Playoffs Preview + Groups Recap The GOAT ranking of GOAT rankings Statistics for vetoed/disliked maps
Tourneys
RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series Korean Starcraft League Week 77 Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) [GSL 2025] Code S: Season 2 - Semi Finals & Finals $5,100+ SEL Season 2 Championship (SC: Evo)
Strategy
How did i lose this ZvP, whats the proper response Simple Questions Simple Answers
Custom Maps
[UMS] Zillion Zerglings
External Content
Mutation # 480 Moths to the Flame Mutation # 479 Worn Out Welcome Mutation # 478 Instant Karma Mutation # 477 Slow and Steady
Brood War
General
Player “Jedi” cheat on CSL BW General Discussion Flash Announces Hiatus From ASL BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Unit and Spell Similarities
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL20] Grand Finals - Sunday 20:00 CET Small VOD Thread 2.0 [BSL20] GosuLeague RO16 - Tue & Wed 20:00+CET
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers I am doing this better than progamers do.
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile What do you want from future RTS games? Beyond All Reason
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Trading/Investing Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread The Games Industry And ATVI
Fan Clubs
SKT1 Classic Fan Club! Maru Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread
Sports
Formula 1 Discussion 2024 - 2025 Football Thread NBA General Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NHL Playoffs 2024
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Blogs
Culture Clash in Video Games…
TrAiDoS
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
Blog #2
tankgirl
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Trip to the Zoo
micronesia
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 659 users

Call to Action: Balance Testing (live custom map) - Page 9

Forum Index > SC2 General
2110 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 7 8 9 10 11 106 Next
Zato-1
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Chile4253 Posts
May 03 2012 01:25 GMT
#161
Queen buff is madness.
Go here http://vina.biobiochile.cl/ and input the Konami Code (up up down down left right left right B A)
Bayyne
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1967 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-03 01:28:52
May 03 2012 01:25 GMT
#162
Just played a game on the map. You can definitely notice the speed increase of the overlord. I was able to scout a Terran building a 13 rax from the 3 o'clock position to the 11 o'clock position, and get out safely as well.

The queen energy I'm actually still iffy on. It is obviously very nice, as you definitely spread the creep to your natural much faster, but I'm not sure if it's really necessary. Early on, at least in a hatch first build, you lack the resources to spend all the larva from 2 injected hatcheries, so I actually was able to drop an additional creep tumor to spread.

Overlord speed is welcome. Queen energy I'm not too sure if it's actually needed.

Edited after re-reading their intent with the Queen. I'm still not sure I like the reason for the queen buff.
Remember not only to say the right thing in the right place, but far more difficult still, to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.
Supah
Profile Joined August 2010
708 Posts
May 03 2012 01:28 GMT
#163
OL speed seems to be OK. Though, OLs are already in place for the most part when things worth scouting are going to happen, no? I can't imagine on what map an OL can't be camped outside the base/nat by 5 minutes and change.

For Queen energy, does it have to be 25 or 50, and no in between? An instant Transfuse breaks heavy air openers, as well as the speed at which you can reinforce. What about 30,35, or even 40 energy?

For the Obs change.. I sort of see where it fits. Because, for the most part, Protoss don't even use many Observers to keep an eye on likely drop paths, because the Robo is so important to constantly produce from (even more so now due to Immortals finding a spot in every army), and it's Pylons, Probes, Zealots. Are you guys trying to move away from that? I can even see lowering the build time further, because a large penalty of having many Observers is that they cost population.
Natespank
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada449 Posts
May 03 2012 01:30 GMT
#164
they failed to look at the serious buff that marines need

seriously though, I like how the queen energy buff could affect the game.
aksfjh
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4853 Posts
May 03 2012 01:30 GMT
#165
Since I'm probably going to be negative for the next 12893127 pages of this thread, I will say one thing I like about this: their use of their own map editing capabilities to test changes, instead of making you go to the PTR. There are user mods that do this thing all the time, and people often use those to test out awesome ideas, and Blizzard finally discovered that.
windsupernova
Profile Joined October 2010
Mexico5280 Posts
May 03 2012 01:34 GMT
#166
On May 03 2012 10:30 aksfjh wrote:
Since I'm probably going to be negative for the next 12893127 pages of this thread, I will say one thing I like about this: their use of their own map editing capabilities to test changes, instead of making you go to the PTR. There are user mods that do this thing all the time, and people often use those to test out awesome ideas, and Blizzard finally discovered that.


Umm, PTR is more than just testing for balance changes....
"Its easy, just trust your CPU".-Boxer on being good at games
RDaneelOlivaw
Profile Joined April 2011
Vatican City State733 Posts
May 03 2012 01:35 GMT
#167
These changes would make me a very happy zergy. I like the queen buff too, especially for play on larger maps
Shiori
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
3815 Posts
May 03 2012 01:36 GMT
#168
On May 03 2012 10:35 RDaneelOlivaw wrote:
These changes would make me a very happy zergy. I like the queen buff too, especially for play on larger maps

I guess it must be nice to blindly counter an entire gas-heavy tech tree just by making your basic macro mechanic.
yeaR
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom100 Posts
May 03 2012 01:37 GMT
#169
The fact that Zerg is getting a buff is alright, but the fact that protoss isn't getting nerfed isn't. Anyways, I agree with this.
Bellazuk
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada146 Posts
May 03 2012 01:38 GMT
#170
I dont agree with people saying omg creep spread will be insane, it will be denied anyways by the terran using scans later in the game so the nice part is , fast creep spread for any earl push it doesnt make them not viable, but less powerful.
“The only thing standing between you and your goal is the bullshit story you keep telling yourself as to why you can't achieve it.”
Sajaki
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada1135 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-03 01:39:32
May 03 2012 01:39 GMT
#171
Remove thor energy would be nice... even if it means removing 250mm Cs
Inno pls...
xrapture
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1644 Posts
May 03 2012 01:41 GMT
#172
I guess this is Blizzards way of boosting HOTS sales.

Still seems they could have gone about it in a different direction.
Everyone is either delusional, a nihlilst, or dead from suicide.
aksfjh
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4853 Posts
May 03 2012 01:41 GMT
#173
On May 03 2012 10:34 windsupernova wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2012 10:30 aksfjh wrote:
Since I'm probably going to be negative for the next 12893127 pages of this thread, I will say one thing I like about this: their use of their own map editing capabilities to test changes, instead of making you go to the PTR. There are user mods that do this thing all the time, and people often use those to test out awesome ideas, and Blizzard finally discovered that.


Umm, PTR is more than just testing for balance changes....

Yea, but do those things need extensive testing outside of their own internal network? Sure, for huge UI or engine changes, yea, but most PTRs have stressed balance. Especially recently since most features have been pushed back for HotS.
S_SienZ
Profile Joined September 2011
1878 Posts
May 03 2012 01:42 GMT
#174
On May 03 2012 10:39 Sajaki wrote:
Remove thor energy would be nice... even if it means removing 250mm Cs

Having Strike Cannon with Energy is actually better than no Strike Cannon at all against Toss.
EienShinwa
Profile Joined May 2010
United States655 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-03 01:47:24
May 03 2012 01:45 GMT
#175
Only thing I agree with here is maybe the overlord speed. Queen upgrade to 50 starting energy is just outrageous, 35 may be pushing it for me. And as usual, protoss buff and no solutions for terran. Lovely.
I have a simple philosophy: Fill what's empty. Empty what's full. Scratch where it itches. Alice Roosevelt Longworth
aksfjh
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4853 Posts
May 03 2012 01:47 GMT
#176
On May 03 2012 10:42 S_SienZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2012 10:39 Sajaki wrote:
Remove thor energy would be nice... even if it means removing 250mm Cs

Having Strike Cannon with Energy is actually better than no Strike Cannon at all against Toss.

Except for the part where thors can be countered by 2 tech trees. Feedback taking a huge chunk of thor health automatically makes them too soft to be viable.
Uhh Negative
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1090 Posts
May 03 2012 01:48 GMT
#177
As a zerg, I really do like the overlord speed upgrade. The queen upgrade seems a bit much though. I also like the Protoss buff. Maybe it will make them go for less all-in builds if they have quicker access to obs.
acrimoneyius
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States983 Posts
May 03 2012 01:48 GMT
#178
While you're messing with subtle balance things, try testing an increase on the unit hitbox of marines. This will nerf splash related things while simultaneously decreasing the DPS of a marine clump ever so subtedly.
Valon
Profile Joined June 2011
United States329 Posts
May 03 2012 01:49 GMT
#179
The overlord change is nice but the queen and observer change is dumb. The queen especially is dumb because now you can spread creep and inject. 25 is a good starting number for queen energy.
Funguuuuu
Profile Joined July 2011
United States198 Posts
May 03 2012 01:50 GMT
#180
On May 03 2012 10:30 Natespank wrote:
they failed to look at the serious buff that marines need

seriously though, I like how the queen energy buff could affect the game.

Marines do not need a buff.
The night is dark and full of Terrans
Prev 1 7 8 9 10 11 106 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
WardiTV European League
12:00
Swiss Groups Day 2
WardiTV1110
TKL 366
Liquipedia
CranKy Ducklings
10:00
Master Swan Open #93
CranKy Ducklings86
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
TKL 366
Hui .287
BRAT_OK 93
MindelVK 46
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 11547
Horang2 2182
Bisu 1330
Jaedong 1212
Flash 1209
Larva 874
Mini 536
BeSt 383
Stork 382
actioN 314
[ Show more ]
Last 206
Soulkey 190
Hyun 163
Mind 103
hero 103
Sea.KH 68
TY 56
sSak 49
Yoon 40
Mong 36
Icarus 21
Free 17
HiyA 12
GoRush 11
Terrorterran 2
Stormgate
NightEnD24
Dota 2
XcaliburYe563
canceldota230
Counter-Strike
zeus553
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor289
Other Games
Gorgc3313
singsing2940
B2W.Neo1406
DeMusliM571
Happy340
Fuzer 251
XaKoH 231
Lowko201
SortOf100
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Adnapsc2 17
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 2343
• WagamamaTV692
League of Legends
• Nemesis3867
Upcoming Events
FEL
2h 54m
RSL Revival
20h 54m
Clem vs Classic
SHIN vs Cure
FEL
22h 54m
WardiTV European League
22h 54m
BSL: ProLeague
1d 4h
Dewalt vs Bonyth
Replay Cast
2 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
WardiTV European League
3 days
The PondCast
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
[ Show More ]
RSL Revival
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

BSL 2v2 Season 3
HSC XXVII
Heroes 10 EU

Ongoing

JPL Season 2
BSL Season 20
Acropolis #3
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 2
CSL 17: 2025 SUMMER
Copa Latinoamericana 4
Championship of Russia 2025
RSL Revival: Season 1
Murky Cup #2
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters
CCT Season 2 Global Finals
IEM Melbourne 2025

Upcoming

2025 ACS Season 2: Qualifier
CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
2025 ACS Season 2
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
K-Championship
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
SEL Season 2 Championship
FEL Cracov 2025
Esports World Cup 2025
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.