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CruiseR
Poland4014 Posts
On May 01 2012 06:05 Diamond wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2012 05:26 CruiseR wrote:
HuK, Feast, Stephano, Socke, HasuObs, GoOdy, DarKFoRcE, Grubby, Ret, MaNa, Nerchio, Tefel, DieStar, NightEnD, TitaN, BratOK, Happy, sLivko, LucifroN, VortiX, NaNiwa, SaSe, ThorZaIN, SjoW, MorroW, biGs, BlinG, DeMusliM, fraer, Kas, Strelok, Bly, DIMAGA, LiveZerg, Sen,
I named 35 players (and i'm not even sure if Snute/White-Ra/TLO/Sheth/Adelscott/ToD/Scarlett aren't in that list too) that are better than IdrA imo. Obviously it can't be proven they are or they are not, but looking at recent IdrA's tournament results i truly believe in what i said. His last nice win was in November 2011 (Asus ROG), and since then he was "constantly" taking last places in MLGs and other tournaments. And taking a single game off a player like Bomber (look at his tlpd, he was "constantly winning" maybe 10+ months ago) means nothing, cuz many players from my list would have a decent shot to win a single game in bo3 or bo5 against a top korean
he was very good in sc:bw (probably top1 foreigner at some point) and probably the best during the beta, but now there are alot of other talent you people underrate and don't even think about, just because IdrA has a name.
I will probably get attacked now by the biggest fanclub in the world, but I don't really care. That's my opinion and you are not gonna change it, because it's based on facts.
cliffs: IdrA has earned a name for himself winning many tournaments in beta/early sc2, but even though other players don't have as much tournament success, i would bet money on them if they were to play vs IdrA right now. Online results are important for me too. I read exactly 4 names on your list and KNEW that you lived in EU, looked at location and was not disappointed.
Yeah, you americans don't know a third of the players listed i know it 
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On May 01 2012 06:06 CruiseR wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2012 06:05 Diamond wrote:On May 01 2012 05:26 CruiseR wrote:
HuK, Feast, Stephano, Socke, HasuObs, GoOdy, DarKFoRcE, Grubby, Ret, MaNa, Nerchio, Tefel, DieStar, NightEnD, TitaN, BratOK, Happy, sLivko, LucifroN, VortiX, NaNiwa, SaSe, ThorZaIN, SjoW, MorroW, biGs, BlinG, DeMusliM, fraer, Kas, Strelok, Bly, DIMAGA, LiveZerg, Sen,
I named 35 players (and i'm not even sure if Snute/White-Ra/TLO/Sheth/Adelscott/ToD/Scarlett aren't in that list too) that are better than IdrA imo. Obviously it can't be proven they are or they are not, but looking at recent IdrA's tournament results i truly believe in what i said. His last nice win was in November 2011 (Asus ROG), and since then he was "constantly" taking last places in MLGs and other tournaments. And taking a single game off a player like Bomber (look at his tlpd, he was "constantly winning" maybe 10+ months ago) means nothing, cuz many players from my list would have a decent shot to win a single game in bo3 or bo5 against a top korean
he was very good in sc:bw (probably top1 foreigner at some point) and probably the best during the beta, but now there are alot of other talent you people underrate and don't even think about, just because IdrA has a name.
I will probably get attacked now by the biggest fanclub in the world, but I don't really care. That's my opinion and you are not gonna change it, because it's based on facts.
cliffs: IdrA has earned a name for himself winning many tournaments in beta/early sc2, but even though other players don't have as much tournament success, i would bet money on them if they were to play vs IdrA right now. Online results are important for me too. I read exactly 4 names on your list and KNEW that you lived in EU, looked at location and was not disappointed. Yeah, you americans don't know a third of the players listed i know it
Or we know that a lot of EU fans seem to wayyyyyyyyyyyy overly hype a good number of EU players. Not saying IdrA is the top dog, but your list is borderline insulting and so obv EU favored it can't be taken as anything but another EU fan overhyping EU players.
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CruiseR
Poland4014 Posts
On May 01 2012 06:08 Diamond wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2012 06:06 CruiseR wrote:On May 01 2012 06:05 Diamond wrote:On May 01 2012 05:26 CruiseR wrote:
HuK, Feast, Stephano, Socke, HasuObs, GoOdy, DarKFoRcE, Grubby, Ret, MaNa, Nerchio, Tefel, DieStar, NightEnD, TitaN, BratOK, Happy, sLivko, LucifroN, VortiX, NaNiwa, SaSe, ThorZaIN, SjoW, MorroW, biGs, BlinG, DeMusliM, fraer, Kas, Strelok, Bly, DIMAGA, LiveZerg, Sen,
I named 35 players (and i'm not even sure if Snute/White-Ra/TLO/Sheth/Adelscott/ToD/Scarlett aren't in that list too) that are better than IdrA imo. Obviously it can't be proven they are or they are not, but looking at recent IdrA's tournament results i truly believe in what i said. His last nice win was in November 2011 (Asus ROG), and since then he was "constantly" taking last places in MLGs and other tournaments. And taking a single game off a player like Bomber (look at his tlpd, he was "constantly winning" maybe 10+ months ago) means nothing, cuz many players from my list would have a decent shot to win a single game in bo3 or bo5 against a top korean
he was very good in sc:bw (probably top1 foreigner at some point) and probably the best during the beta, but now there are alot of other talent you people underrate and don't even think about, just because IdrA has a name.
I will probably get attacked now by the biggest fanclub in the world, but I don't really care. That's my opinion and you are not gonna change it, because it's based on facts.
cliffs: IdrA has earned a name for himself winning many tournaments in beta/early sc2, but even though other players don't have as much tournament success, i would bet money on them if they were to play vs IdrA right now. Online results are important for me too. I read exactly 4 names on your list and KNEW that you lived in EU, looked at location and was not disappointed. Yeah, you americans don't know a third of the players listed i know it Or we know that a lot of EU fans seem to wayyyyyyyyyyyy overly hype a good number of EU players. Not saying IdrA is the top dog, but your list is borderline insulting and so obv EU favored it can't be taken as anything but another EU fan overhyping EU players.
You really don't believe EU has much more better players than NA ? I think the difference in both skill and number of high-skilled players is pretty big.
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Idra has hit 20K+ viewers before. Obviously, not in this time frame. When Summer comes along, the viewer count gets quite insane for some of these players.
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Kinda expected Destiny to be much higher, like top 3. But I guess he makes it up by streaming more.
Still Destiny having more viewers than DRG is kinda sad 
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On May 01 2012 05:56 FeyFey wrote:
502 hours is sooo impressive atleast with this high amount of viewers. I mean everyone can stream for 24 hours a day, but i doubt many would watch you sleeping.
wasn't it Cella that got a few thousand viewers (and kept climbing) while sleeping on his computer chair for two hours?
that was a funny one (:
but ye I agree.
I'm surprized to see demuslim.
I used to watch him all the time but now i never seem to catch him stream. I thought he stopped but I guess I just missed him every time
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Is Huk missing on this? Or am I losing it?
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i have actually really never heard of this hui guy before honor is actually pretty good i can really recommend his stream actually (for germans especially ofc)
didn't konw maximus black either and i have no clue why he has that many stream viewers so i guess i will have to check his stream out too
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On May 01 2012 06:05 Mortalfury wrote:
For all the horrible things that Deezer and He-who-must-not-be-named did they were streaming gold for players whenever they played together. For instance Destinys stream sessions with He-who-must-not-be-named or Sheths stream where he would talk to Deezer through his stream for the entire game, those were pretty amazing and an instant 3-4k viewers. Love them or hate them they got the fans interested...
Interesting to see how far Destiny has dropped since streaming LoL, even though more people watch LoL Destiny doesn't have any fan base in that community
Isn't Destiny on a relatively average ELO in LoL? No matter how much personality he has if he is playing at a low level I can't see many LoL fans being that interested in watching him
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ForGG deserves more viewers, he streams a lot and he is a code S player, c´mon guys watch him.
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On May 01 2012 06:14 Shanedon wrote:
Is Huk missing on this? Or am I losing it?
Yeah, he is. He did not stream at all in the last month. Naniwa is another notable absentee. I'm sure both of them would easily make it into the top 5 if they'd stream again.
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On May 01 2012 06:08 Diamond wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2012 06:06 CruiseR wrote:On May 01 2012 06:05 Diamond wrote:On May 01 2012 05:26 CruiseR wrote:
HuK, Feast, Stephano, Socke, HasuObs, GoOdy, DarKFoRcE, Grubby, Ret, MaNa, Nerchio, Tefel, DieStar, NightEnD, TitaN, BratOK, Happy, sLivko, LucifroN, VortiX, NaNiwa, SaSe, ThorZaIN, SjoW, MorroW, biGs, BlinG, DeMusliM, fraer, Kas, Strelok, Bly, DIMAGA, LiveZerg, Sen,
I named 35 players (and i'm not even sure if Snute/White-Ra/TLO/Sheth/Adelscott/ToD/Scarlett aren't in that list too) that are better than IdrA imo. Obviously it can't be proven they are or they are not, but looking at recent IdrA's tournament results i truly believe in what i said. His last nice win was in November 2011 (Asus ROG), and since then he was "constantly" taking last places in MLGs and other tournaments. And taking a single game off a player like Bomber (look at his tlpd, he was "constantly winning" maybe 10+ months ago) means nothing, cuz many players from my list would have a decent shot to win a single game in bo3 or bo5 against a top korean
he was very good in sc:bw (probably top1 foreigner at some point) and probably the best during the beta, but now there are alot of other talent you people underrate and don't even think about, just because IdrA has a name.
I will probably get attacked now by the biggest fanclub in the world, but I don't really care. That's my opinion and you are not gonna change it, because it's based on facts.
cliffs: IdrA has earned a name for himself winning many tournaments in beta/early sc2, but even though other players don't have as much tournament success, i would bet money on them if they were to play vs IdrA right now. Online results are important for me too. I read exactly 4 names on your list and KNEW that you lived in EU, looked at location and was not disappointed. Yeah, you americans don't know a third of the players listed i know it Or we know that a lot of EU fans seem to wayyyyyyyyyyyy overly hype a good number of EU players. Not saying IdrA is the top dog, but your list is borderline insulting and so obv EU favored it can't be taken as anything but another EU fan overhyping EU players.
Somebody less involved with the Korean scene may have said the same thing about Taeja half a year ago (in fact, scratch the "may have" - there's probably dozens of people that did). There's at least 20 players I can name off the top of my head that were branded as 'overhyped' at one point, and ended up making deep runs in top tournaments and competing at highest levels 6 months or a year later. On the other hand, I can't think of that many who were heavily hyped and didn't turn out to be at least decent at the highest level.
Fact is that there are people who play closer attention to the scene (or a part of it) than most others, and as a result they happen to know things most other people do not. Based on past experience, I'm now more likely to believe somebody who claims to know and have followed these players (and appears genuine) that they are actually that good, than somebody who is completely ignorant of their existence claiming they are "overhyped" just because he's never seen them play.
In this specific case, CruiseR is right - betting on either IdrA or White-Ra against either Tefel or fraer at this point in time would be an extremely risky investment. Their level of play is simply higher right now, and their form is undeniably better.
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On May 01 2012 06:10 CruiseR wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2012 06:08 Diamond wrote:On May 01 2012 06:06 CruiseR wrote:On May 01 2012 06:05 Diamond wrote:On May 01 2012 05:26 CruiseR wrote:
HuK, Feast, Stephano, Socke, HasuObs, GoOdy, DarKFoRcE, Grubby, Ret, MaNa, Nerchio, Tefel, DieStar, NightEnD, TitaN, BratOK, Happy, sLivko, LucifroN, VortiX, NaNiwa, SaSe, ThorZaIN, SjoW, MorroW, biGs, BlinG, DeMusliM, fraer, Kas, Strelok, Bly, DIMAGA, LiveZerg, Sen,
I named 35 players (and i'm not even sure if Snute/White-Ra/TLO/Sheth/Adelscott/ToD/Scarlett aren't in that list too) that are better than IdrA imo. Obviously it can't be proven they are or they are not, but looking at recent IdrA's tournament results i truly believe in what i said. His last nice win was in November 2011 (Asus ROG), and since then he was "constantly" taking last places in MLGs and other tournaments. And taking a single game off a player like Bomber (look at his tlpd, he was "constantly winning" maybe 10+ months ago) means nothing, cuz many players from my list would have a decent shot to win a single game in bo3 or bo5 against a top korean
he was very good in sc:bw (probably top1 foreigner at some point) and probably the best during the beta, but now there are alot of other talent you people underrate and don't even think about, just because IdrA has a name.
I will probably get attacked now by the biggest fanclub in the world, but I don't really care. That's my opinion and you are not gonna change it, because it's based on facts.
cliffs: IdrA has earned a name for himself winning many tournaments in beta/early sc2, but even though other players don't have as much tournament success, i would bet money on them if they were to play vs IdrA right now. Online results are important for me too. I read exactly 4 names on your list and KNEW that you lived in EU, looked at location and was not disappointed. Yeah, you americans don't know a third of the players listed i know it Or we know that a lot of EU fans seem to wayyyyyyyyyyyy overly hype a good number of EU players. Not saying IdrA is the top dog, but your list is borderline insulting and so obv EU favored it can't be taken as anything but another EU fan overhyping EU players. You really don't believe EU has much more better players than NA ? I think the difference in both skill and number of high-skilled players is pretty big.
That's no the point. The thing is you're saying players like Goody, Scarlett, Adelscott, Strelok or DieStar (just quoting the most painful ones) are better than IdrA which is beyond ridiculous.
So you are incredibly biased towards EU random players or you are a hardcore IdrA hater.
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CruiseR
Poland4014 Posts
On May 01 2012 06:21 0ne wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2012 06:10 CruiseR wrote:On May 01 2012 06:08 Diamond wrote:On May 01 2012 06:06 CruiseR wrote:On May 01 2012 06:05 Diamond wrote:On May 01 2012 05:26 CruiseR wrote:
HuK, Feast, Stephano, Socke, HasuObs, GoOdy, DarKFoRcE, Grubby, Ret, MaNa, Nerchio, Tefel, DieStar, NightEnD, TitaN, BratOK, Happy, sLivko, LucifroN, VortiX, NaNiwa, SaSe, ThorZaIN, SjoW, MorroW, biGs, BlinG, DeMusliM, fraer, Kas, Strelok, Bly, DIMAGA, LiveZerg, Sen,
I named 35 players (and i'm not even sure if Snute/White-Ra/TLO/Sheth/Adelscott/ToD/Scarlett aren't in that list too) that are better than IdrA imo. Obviously it can't be proven they are or they are not, but looking at recent IdrA's tournament results i truly believe in what i said. His last nice win was in November 2011 (Asus ROG), and since then he was "constantly" taking last places in MLGs and other tournaments. And taking a single game off a player like Bomber (look at his tlpd, he was "constantly winning" maybe 10+ months ago) means nothing, cuz many players from my list would have a decent shot to win a single game in bo3 or bo5 against a top korean
he was very good in sc:bw (probably top1 foreigner at some point) and probably the best during the beta, but now there are alot of other talent you people underrate and don't even think about, just because IdrA has a name.
I will probably get attacked now by the biggest fanclub in the world, but I don't really care. That's my opinion and you are not gonna change it, because it's based on facts.
cliffs: IdrA has earned a name for himself winning many tournaments in beta/early sc2, but even though other players don't have as much tournament success, i would bet money on them if they were to play vs IdrA right now. Online results are important for me too. I read exactly 4 names on your list and KNEW that you lived in EU, looked at location and was not disappointed. Yeah, you americans don't know a third of the players listed i know it Or we know that a lot of EU fans seem to wayyyyyyyyyyyy overly hype a good number of EU players. Not saying IdrA is the top dog, but your list is borderline insulting and so obv EU favored it can't be taken as anything but another EU fan overhyping EU players. You really don't believe EU has much more better players than NA ? I think the difference in both skill and number of high-skilled players is pretty big. That's no the point. The thing is you're saying players like Goody, Scarlett, Adelscott, Strelok or DieStar (just quoting the most painful ones) are better than IdrA which is beyond ridiculous. So you are incredibly biased towards EU random players or you are a hardcore IdrA hater.
I just think IdrA is the most overrated player. Some polls i've seen recently kinda shocked me. I concluded that alot of people think IdrA is for sure in the top3 if it comes to foreigners, hell, to some people he's top1. I may have overreacted a bit, but I think Strelok, Scarlett or DieStar with their latest form have at least a 50/50 shot vs IdrA.
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On May 01 2012 06:32 CruiseR wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2012 06:21 0ne wrote:On May 01 2012 06:10 CruiseR wrote:On May 01 2012 06:08 Diamond wrote:On May 01 2012 06:06 CruiseR wrote:On May 01 2012 06:05 Diamond wrote:On May 01 2012 05:26 CruiseR wrote:
HuK, Feast, Stephano, Socke, HasuObs, GoOdy, DarKFoRcE, Grubby, Ret, MaNa, Nerchio, Tefel, DieStar, NightEnD, TitaN, BratOK, Happy, sLivko, LucifroN, VortiX, NaNiwa, SaSe, ThorZaIN, SjoW, MorroW, biGs, BlinG, DeMusliM, fraer, Kas, Strelok, Bly, DIMAGA, LiveZerg, Sen,
I named 35 players (and i'm not even sure if Snute/White-Ra/TLO/Sheth/Adelscott/ToD/Scarlett aren't in that list too) that are better than IdrA imo. Obviously it can't be proven they are or they are not, but looking at recent IdrA's tournament results i truly believe in what i said. His last nice win was in November 2011 (Asus ROG), and since then he was "constantly" taking last places in MLGs and other tournaments. And taking a single game off a player like Bomber (look at his tlpd, he was "constantly winning" maybe 10+ months ago) means nothing, cuz many players from my list would have a decent shot to win a single game in bo3 or bo5 against a top korean
he was very good in sc:bw (probably top1 foreigner at some point) and probably the best during the beta, but now there are alot of other talent you people underrate and don't even think about, just because IdrA has a name.
I will probably get attacked now by the biggest fanclub in the world, but I don't really care. That's my opinion and you are not gonna change it, because it's based on facts.
cliffs: IdrA has earned a name for himself winning many tournaments in beta/early sc2, but even though other players don't have as much tournament success, i would bet money on them if they were to play vs IdrA right now. Online results are important for me too. I read exactly 4 names on your list and KNEW that you lived in EU, looked at location and was not disappointed. Yeah, you americans don't know a third of the players listed i know it Or we know that a lot of EU fans seem to wayyyyyyyyyyyy overly hype a good number of EU players. Not saying IdrA is the top dog, but your list is borderline insulting and so obv EU favored it can't be taken as anything but another EU fan overhyping EU players. You really don't believe EU has much more better players than NA ? I think the difference in both skill and number of high-skilled players is pretty big. That's no the point. The thing is you're saying players like Goody, Scarlett, Adelscott, Strelok or DieStar (just quoting the most painful ones) are better than IdrA which is beyond ridiculous. So you are incredibly biased towards EU random players or you are a hardcore IdrA hater. I just think IdrA is the most overrated player. Some polls i've seen recently kinda shocked me. I concluded that alot of people think IdrA is for sure in the top3 if it comes to foreigners, hell, to some people he's top1. I may have overreacted a bit, but I think Strelok, Scarlett or DieStar with their latest form have at least a 50/50 shot vs IdrA.
Have Strelok or DieStar done something recently? I don't follow the online cups, so I dunno if they've beaten anyone good.
Scarlett is too untested imo. Definetly one of the players I am most looking forward to seeing more of
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Watched Dragon today and he is by far the best streamer I know. He doesn't plays horrible kpop, he speaks solid english and he is just damn funny. I love to watch his stream, so entertaining.
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89,559 average viewers total among the top 50. Not bad.
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On May 01 2012 06:21 Talin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2012 06:08 Diamond wrote:On May 01 2012 06:06 CruiseR wrote:On May 01 2012 06:05 Diamond wrote:On May 01 2012 05:26 CruiseR wrote:
HuK, Feast, Stephano, Socke, HasuObs, GoOdy, DarKFoRcE, Grubby, Ret, MaNa, Nerchio, Tefel, DieStar, NightEnD, TitaN, BratOK, Happy, sLivko, LucifroN, VortiX, NaNiwa, SaSe, ThorZaIN, SjoW, MorroW, biGs, BlinG, DeMusliM, fraer, Kas, Strelok, Bly, DIMAGA, LiveZerg, Sen,
I named 35 players (and i'm not even sure if Snute/White-Ra/TLO/Sheth/Adelscott/ToD/Scarlett aren't in that list too) that are better than IdrA imo. Obviously it can't be proven they are or they are not, but looking at recent IdrA's tournament results i truly believe in what i said. His last nice win was in November 2011 (Asus ROG), and since then he was "constantly" taking last places in MLGs and other tournaments. And taking a single game off a player like Bomber (look at his tlpd, he was "constantly winning" maybe 10+ months ago) means nothing, cuz many players from my list would have a decent shot to win a single game in bo3 or bo5 against a top korean
he was very good in sc:bw (probably top1 foreigner at some point) and probably the best during the beta, but now there are alot of other talent you people underrate and don't even think about, just because IdrA has a name.
I will probably get attacked now by the biggest fanclub in the world, but I don't really care. That's my opinion and you are not gonna change it, because it's based on facts.
cliffs: IdrA has earned a name for himself winning many tournaments in beta/early sc2, but even though other players don't have as much tournament success, i would bet money on them if they were to play vs IdrA right now. Online results are important for me too. I read exactly 4 names on your list and KNEW that you lived in EU, looked at location and was not disappointed. Yeah, you americans don't know a third of the players listed i know it Or we know that a lot of EU fans seem to wayyyyyyyyyyyy overly hype a good number of EU players. Not saying IdrA is the top dog, but your list is borderline insulting and so obv EU favored it can't be taken as anything but another EU fan overhyping EU players. Somebody less involved with the Korean scene may have said the same thing about Taeja half a year ago (in fact, scratch the "may have" - there's probably dozens of people that did). There's at least 20 players I can name off the top of my head that were branded as 'overhyped' at one point, and ended up making deep runs in top tournaments and competing at highest levels 6 months or a year later. On the other hand, I can't think of that many who were heavily hyped and didn't turn out to be at least decent at the highest level. Fact is that there are people who play closer attention to the scene (or a part of it) than most others, and as a result they happen to know things most other people do not. Based on past experience, I'm now more likely to believe somebody who claims to know and have followed these players (and appears genuine) that they are actually that good, than somebody who is completely ignorant of their existence claiming they are "overhyped" just because he's never seen them play. In this specific case, CruiseR is right - betting on either IdrA or White-Ra against either Tefel or fraer at this point in time would be an extremely risky investment. Their level of play is simply higher right now, and their form is undeniably better.
there's a difference between guys winning euro cups and people raping korean weeklies like its NA platinum.
people are looking at "losses" and assuming they all mean the same thing... recent IdrA losses in order of chronology (TLPD source)
+ Show Spoiler +Huk
Alicia
Hero
Jjaki
Byun
MMA
Bomber
Polt
Jyp
tefel's most recent losses by chronology
+ Show Spoiler +Beastyqt
Titan
White
Snute
Elvis
Hasu
Adel
and Fraer
+ Show Spoiler +Happy
BabyKnight
Mana
Abver
Adel
Violet
Santinii
There's a difference in these... one list contains people all who have been in Code S at least once from january... whereas Nerchio is probably the only notable win that Fraer has had for a while...
I'm not saying they are by any means bad... I'm saying that to arbitrarily use winrate or participation in weeklies is hard to judge actual quality of play, and its really really hard to staunchly defend the point that they are favored... I'll admit that in a bo3 these guys can beat IdrA in a clan war, but in a serious non-showmatch series, or a LAN tournament I don't think a lot of foreigners are favorites over idra
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On May 01 2012 06:10 windsupernova wrote:Kinda expected Destiny to be much higher, like top 3. But I guess he makes it up by streaming more. Still Destiny having more viewers than DRG is kinda sad
To be fair DRG has streamed only a few times. If he streamed a lot he would easily be top 3 I imagine.
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On May 01 2012 06:03 OzkanTheFlip wrote:
haha, i like how destiny only #10 and he's streamed 288 hours
It is average viewer count not total viewer count... the amount of hours he has streamed doesn't really matter unless he was someone that nobody heard about before they started streaming..
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