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Vari
United States532 Posts
white-ra to me is the best streamer although I don't watch him that often. He has amazing and UNIQUE play and commentates so so much you can really learn from him as well as be entertained. makes me wish I was a toss player. he and incontrol are the only streams I'll open and mute/leave open when I leave purely to support the players because i think they deserve it, as little as a single view counts it's something. | ||
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urasyupi2
United States810 Posts
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Primadog
United States4411 Posts
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Benjamin99
4176 Posts
On May 01 2012 05:30 Ghanburighan wrote: If it's based on facts, it's not an opinion. But it's not, so it's an opinion. You won't get attacked because of a huge fan club, you'll get attacked because your opinion is foolish. Besides that, you're doing an awful thing. Anyone who disagrees with you will have to bash any of the 34 fine players that you named. I won't do it. its not a opinion look at the result from the last 6 months and all of those players got much better results then Idra. Idra isnt even in top 200 in ELO ranking. Idra´s got allmost the worst stats of any progamer the last 6-7months. Since WCG he has pretty much lost every match he played in tournament settings. Ofcourse some would say well he only played against Koreans. Well thats not true he got really banged up at IEM vs Europeans. Finish last in his group there aswell. Stats dont lie. And thats the reason we even use stats. Matter infact calling Idra a top 20 foreigner is an insult to the foreign scene. | ||
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ArcticRaven
France1406 Posts
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
Idra took alot over from bw, just like i jump in circles when i see Mondragon streaming. And Idra also seems to commentate sometimes etc etc. All for the viewers. Since if you can't win anything, you can atleast make money with fanboys. Not that Idra is bad, he just hates the game to much to play good and sine he rarely plays in tournaments its hard to say at what level he really is and even the best arguments won't bear any fruits. | ||
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Aocowns
Norway6070 Posts
On May 01 2012 05:54 Benjamin99 wrote: its not a opinion look at the result from the last 6 months and all of those players got much better results then Idra. Idra isnt even in top 200 in ELO ranking. Idra´s got allmost the worst stats of any progamer the last 6-7months. Since WCG he has pretty much lost every match he played in tournament settings. Ofcourse some would say well he only played against Koreans. Well thats not true he got really banged up at IEM vs Europeans. Finish last in his group there aswell. Stats dont lie. And thats the reason we even use stats. IEM was an incredibly disappointing performance, and that's a long time ago now. It's been awhile since he lost to a foreigner, as far as I know(not that he's played many recently either) That one poor performance against foreigners doesn't rule out the fact that the other losses were against the top of competition, whereas most of those with a higher ELO play mostly foreigners in online cups. Look at the TLPD thingy. Tzain is over Stephano, and both Titan and LiveZerg are in the top 5. Does that make Tzain better than Stephano, and does that make Titan and LiveZerg remotely close to being in he top5 of actual skill? | ||
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Morphs
Netherlands645 Posts
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0ne
Spain2464 Posts
On May 01 2012 05:41 CruiseR wrote: You don't even know top3 polish player that has awesome online results recently? , and a player from Ukraine that won like 10 cups like zotac in last few weeks? For example, I would put fraer over White-Ra easily right now. and i don't even have the reason to "like" the guy. I agree, WhiteRa and IdrA are too mainstream . Tefel and Fraer are the true top foreigners. | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On May 01 2012 05:54 ArcticRaven wrote: IdrA has that voodoo around him, he ruins any thread he appears in o__________o Voodoo also known as an army of very persistent posters of questionable objectivity. | ||
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Marddox
United Kingdom108 Posts
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CruiseR
Poland4014 Posts
On May 01 2012 06:00 0ne wrote: I agree, WhiteRa and IdrA are too mainstream . Tefel and Fraer are the true top foreigners. I feel irony in your post. Right now I would definitely bet my money on Tefel/fraer against Idra/WR. Their recent form is HUGE, and IdrAand WR haven't produced any good results recently. | ||
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OzkanTheFlip
United States246 Posts
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Conti
Germany2516 Posts
On May 01 2012 06:02 Marddox wrote: I can see stephano surpassing idrA soon on average viewers They switched places a couple of times during the last month, actually. There does not seem to be a trend either way, though Idra's stream has both much higher and much lower viewer numbers at times compared to Stephano's. | ||
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RaiZ
2813 Posts
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Belha
Italy2850 Posts
 Stephano have sick macro plus prolly the best music of all streams out there; also nice strategic coments as well. Idra.... i guess he have tons of fanboys ;P | ||
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Conti
Germany2516 Posts
On May 01 2012 06:04 Belha wrote: Stephano have sick macro plus prolly the best music of all streams out there; also nice strategic coments as well. No way. TLO has the best music, ever. No other streamer comes even close.  | ||
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ShakaZu.Sc2
United States131 Posts
Interesting to see how far Destiny has dropped since streaming LoL, even though more people watch LoL Destiny doesn't have any fan base in that community | ||
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
On May 01 2012 05:26 CruiseR wrote: HuK, Feast, Stephano, Socke, HasuObs, GoOdy, DarKFoRcE, Grubby, Ret, MaNa, Nerchio, Tefel, DieStar, NightEnD, TitaN, BratOK, Happy, sLivko, LucifroN, VortiX, NaNiwa, SaSe, ThorZaIN, SjoW, MorroW, biGs, BlinG, DeMusliM, fraer, Kas, Strelok, Bly, DIMAGA, LiveZerg, Sen, I named 35 players (and i'm not even sure if Snute/White-Ra/TLO/Sheth/Adelscott/ToD/Scarlett aren't in that list too) that are better than IdrA imo. Obviously it can't be proven they are or they are not, but looking at recent IdrA's tournament results i truly believe in what i said. His last nice win was in November 2011 (Asus ROG), and since then he was "constantly" taking last places in MLGs and other tournaments. And taking a single game off a player like Bomber (look at his tlpd, he was "constantly winning" maybe 10+ months ago) means nothing, cuz many players from my list would have a decent shot to win a single game in bo3 or bo5 against a top korean he was very good in sc:bw (probably top1 foreigner at some point) and probably the best during the beta, but now there are alot of other talent you people underrate and don't even think about, just because IdrA has a name. I will probably get attacked now by the biggest fanclub in the world, but I don't really care. That's my opinion and you are not gonna change it, because it's based on facts. cliffs: IdrA has earned a name for himself winning many tournaments in beta/early sc2, but even though other players don't have as much tournament success, i would bet money on them if they were to play vs IdrA right now. Online results are important for me too. I read exactly 4 names on your list and KNEW that you lived in EU, looked at location and was not disappointed. | ||
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STDfan
United States207 Posts
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