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Seldentar
United States888 Posts
On May 01 2012 04:53 dUTtrOACh wrote: ST_Bomber and SlayerS_Cella deserve more viewers. Cella used to get a massive amount of viewers around March of last year. His stream was the best out there: hilarious, fun, etc. Unfortunately he stopped streaming for a long time due to lag issues and hasn't streamed consistently since then T.T | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46163 Posts
On May 01 2012 04:59 CruiseR wrote: IdrA is not even close to top15 foreigners imo, he was very good during the beta and early sc2 times, but now he's just average and we can see that for streaming, personality (and sometimes trashtalking/bm) is more important than skill. Okay, then name 15-20 foreigners who are clearly better than IdrA, and be sure to give at least a few general reasons why your list of pro-gamers are better. | ||
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figq
12519 Posts
 So who the HUK is Hui?Seriously, I don't mind Hui's number of hours - but here he's on top 50 by average viewers. Where's Huk then??? | ||
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Greenei
Germany1754 Posts
Okay, then name 15-20 foreigners who are clearly better than IdrA, and be sure to give at least a few general reasons why your list of pro-gamers are better. let me try but without reason, that's too timeconsuming: stephano, naniwa, sase, thorzain, kas, sheth, huk, ret, nerchio, maybe select, demuslim, sjow, titan, whitra. | ||
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Deleted User 137586
7859 Posts
On the other hand, MKP has a great stream, one of the most entertaining out there, but it's on every blue moon and at a horrible time for most foreigners... But if you want to see someone not losing against great players, that's where you want to be. | ||
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Diavlo
Belgium2915 Posts
On May 01 2012 05:04 Youtakenocandle wrote: Taking games off players isn't anything special in sc2. It depends on the games. Baneling busting a code S terran doesn't mean anything, but beating some in long macro games is still indicative of skill. IdrA is still a good foreigner (definitety top 15), he's just not at the top anymore. People have far too great expectations (his fans) and standards (his haters) for him. | ||
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A-p-p-l-e-s
Canada314 Posts
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On May 01 2012 05:18 A-p-p-l-e-s wrote: ive never heard of hui or seen his stream and he streamed like 500 hours? wow He's a Taiwanese player, with a Taiwanese viewer base, and is not featured on TL. | ||
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1Eris1
United States5797 Posts
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Aocowns
Norway6070 Posts
On May 01 2012 05:11 Greenei wrote: i think its pretty clear that players with commentary have more viewers then those without ceteris paribus. let me try but without reason, that's too timeconsuming: stephano, naniwa, sase, thorzain, kas, sheth, huk, ret, nerchio, maybe select, demuslim, sjow, titan, whitra. I see perhaps 6 of these at best being better than Idra. I haven't seen play from some of these in a long time though, so my assumption might be a little off | ||
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decaf
Austria1797 Posts
On May 01 2012 05:21 1Eris1 wrote: Well, I at least am glad to see Idra finally win something. Lol, that was kinda mean. | ||
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CeriseCherries
6170 Posts
On May 01 2012 05:11 Greenei wrote: i think its pretty clear that players with commentary have more viewers then those without ceteris paribus. let me try but without reason, that's too timeconsuming: stephano, naniwa, sase, thorzain, kas, sheth, huk, ret, nerchio, maybe select, demuslim, sjow, titan, whitra. you cant conclusively say any of them save perhaps stephano and naniwa... </3 Cella stream... why no more I so sad... he started stream less and less after that christmas drunken stream... but I loved it when he used to get slayers peeps to just come and coach... the 15$ coach so good.. sigh T.T.T.T | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
On May 01 2012 05:20 Azarkon wrote: He's a Taiwanese player, with a Taiwanese viewer base, and is not featured on TL. Hui has asked to be featured numerous times on TL, but for some reason TL doesn't recognize any Taiwanese player not named sen. He should definitely be featured. | ||
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CruiseR
Poland4014 Posts
I named 35 players (and i'm not even sure if Snute/White-Ra/TLO/Sheth/Adelscott/ToD/Scarlett aren't in that list too) that are better than IdrA imo. Obviously it can't be proven they are or they are not, but looking at recent IdrA's tournament results i truly believe in what i said. His last nice win was in November 2011 (Asus ROG), and since then he was "constantly" taking last places in MLGs and other tournaments. And taking a single game off a player like Bomber (look at his tlpd, he was "constantly winning" maybe 10+ months ago) means nothing, cuz many players from my list would have a decent shot to win a single game in bo3 or bo5 against a top korean he was very good in sc:bw (probably top1 foreigner at some point) and probably the best during the beta, but now there are alot of other talent you people underrate and don't even think about, just because IdrA has a name. I will probably get attacked now by the biggest fanclub in the world, but I don't really care. That's my opinion and you are not gonna change it, because it's based on facts. cliffs: IdrA has earned a name for himself winning many tournaments in beta/early sc2, but even though other players don't have as much tournament success, i would bet money on them if they were to play vs IdrA right now. Online results are important for me too. | ||
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Versioned
United Kingdom73 Posts
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ssg
United States1777 Posts
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Aocowns
Norway6070 Posts
On May 01 2012 05:26 CruiseR wrote: HuK, Feast, Stephano, Socke, HasuObs, GoOdy, DarKFoRcE, Grubby, Ret, MaNa, Nerchio, Tefel, NightEnD, TitaN, BratOK, Happy, sLivko, LucifroN, VortiX, NaNiwa, SaSe, ThorZaIN, SjoW, MorroW, biGs, BlinG, DeMusliM, fraer, Kas, Strelok, Bly, DIMAGA, LiveZerg, Sen, I named 34 players (and i'm not even sure if Snute/White-Ra/TLO/Sheth/Adelscott/ToD/Scarlett aren't in that list too) that are better than IdrA imo. Obviously it can't be proven they are or they are not, but looking at recent IdrA's tournament results i truly believe in what i said. His last nice win was in November 2011 (Asus ROG), and since then he was "constantly" taking last places in MLGs and other tournaments. And taking a single game off a player like Bomber (look at his tlpd, he was "constantly winning" maybe 10+ months ago) means nothing, cuz many players from my list would have a decent shot to win a single game in bo3 or bo5 against a top korean he was very good in sc:bw (probably top1 foreigner at some point) and probably the best during the beta, but now there are alot of other talent you people underrate and don't even think about, just because IdrA has a name. I will probably get attacked now by the biggest fanclub in the world, but I don't really care. That's my opinion and you are not gonna change it, because it's based on a facts. Now that's bullshit. He's constantly taking long drawn out macro games against Code A and S players, can that be said for even a 3rd of these players? You cannot look at statistics and call a player better, you gotta look at the people they play, and how they play. How can you even try to claim that Bly is better than a player like Idra? That's beyond me... | ||
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DannyJ
United States5110 Posts
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Kaesebrot
Germany128 Posts
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