On May 02 2012 12:32 zokj wrote: are kespa players allowed to stream?
iirc jaedong/etc weren't allowed to stream with hiya (at least from what I remember on that topic?), but was allowed to play games with hiya that hiya could stream.... but they couldn't even stream on afreeca
so I somewhat doubt it? oo
I think with blizzard acting as puppet master, KeSPA will have to loosen its grip on their players. I think kespa players streaming is a good possibility; however, I doubt many of them will stream even if they have permission. Hell, I doubt many of them will even ladder. kespa pros have such a sick practice regiment that there isn't any time for leisure ladder time.
Lol, why do people act as if Blizzard is the stronger partner in this? KESPA is backed by corporations that are worth much more than Vivendi. Blizzard won't be doing any puppeteering soon
Blizzard owns the intellectual property. I can pretty much guarantee that blizzard is the reason why the switch to SC2 is 100%. You can have all the money in the world at your disposal; however, if you don't own a product, you are severely limited with what you can do with it.
Didn't it take a while from release before the sc2 korean teams to let their players stream? And they prevented them all from playing in NASL season 2 last minute. Blizzard didn't stop those things why would they prevent KESPA from doing anything similar?
Kespa might have some leverage during negotiations with the threat to just broadcast LoL instead. I doubt Blizzard would like that they want to get those 4.5 million Korean buyers of sc1 to upgrade not to have them play and watch a competitors product for the next 10 years.
And if LoL doesn't work out MBC showed there is always k-pop!
On May 02 2012 12:32 zokj wrote: are kespa players allowed to stream?
iirc jaedong/etc weren't allowed to stream with hiya (at least from what I remember on that topic?), but was allowed to play games with hiya that hiya could stream.... but they couldn't even stream on afreeca
so I somewhat doubt it? oo
I think with blizzard acting as puppet master, KeSPA will have to loosen its grip on their players. I think kespa players streaming is a good possibility; however, I doubt many of them will stream even if they have permission. Hell, I doubt many of them will even ladder. kespa pros have such a sick practice regiment that there isn't any time for leisure ladder time.
Lol, why do people act as if Blizzard is the stronger partner in this? KESPA is backed by corporations that are worth much more than Vivendi. Blizzard won't be doing any puppeteering soon
Vivendi is like 18 billion and is larger than EA. So this is actually a sincere question - how much money is backing KESPA?
Pretty sure Samsung alone is much bigger than Vivendi.Kespa is backed up by major corporation such as Samsung,KT,SKT and etc. Everyone knows this already.
But Blizzard are the ones who create and own SC2. So yeah they probably hold the most power and profited the most from the SC2 e-sports scene.
On May 02 2012 12:32 zokj wrote: are kespa players allowed to stream?
iirc jaedong/etc weren't allowed to stream with hiya (at least from what I remember on that topic?), but was allowed to play games with hiya that hiya could stream.... but they couldn't even stream on afreeca
so I somewhat doubt it? oo
I think with blizzard acting as puppet master, KeSPA will have to loosen its grip on their players. I think kespa players streaming is a good possibility; however, I doubt many of them will stream even if they have permission. Hell, I doubt many of them will even ladder. kespa pros have such a sick practice regiment that there isn't any time for leisure ladder time.
Lol, why do people act as if Blizzard is the stronger partner in this? KESPA is backed by corporations that are worth much more than Vivendi. Blizzard won't be doing any puppeteering soon
Blizzard owns the intellectual property. I can pretty much guarantee that blizzard is the reason why the switch to SC2 is 100%. You can have all the money in the world at your disposal; however, if you don't own a product, you are severely limited with what you can do with it.
Didn't it take a while from release before the sc2 korean teams to let their players stream? And they prevented them all from playing in NASL season 2 last minute. Blizzard didn't stop those things why would they prevent KESPA from doing anything similar?
Kespa might have some leverage during negotiations with the threat to just broadcast LoL instead. I doubt Blizzard would like that they want to get those 4.5 million Korean buyers of sc1 to upgrade not to have them play and watch a competitors product for the next 10 years.
And if LoL doesn't work out MBC showed there is always k-pop!
There was no organization preventing SC2 koreans from streaming. I am pretty sure it just took awhile for them to realize how popular streaming was outside of korea.
I think NASL is a joke, therefore I can not comment on that since i don't follow. However, once again, up until now there was no ruling party over SC2 players, so no company/organization could have prevented koreans from entering NASL. Who is 'They'?
KeSPA knows how much of a following RTS has and they want to make sure they are a prominent piece moving forward. Do you not remember that Blizzard required negotiations with kespa in relation to BW leagues a year ago? Blizzard *owns* BW, not KeSPA. Therefore if Blizzard says kespa isn't allowed to run a BW league, then they must obey or face legal consequences. My thought is that Blizzard gave KeSPA/OGN an ultimatum: Either switch to SC2, or lose all Blizz RTS rights. I would say that is pretty damn good leverage.
On May 02 2012 12:32 zokj wrote: are kespa players allowed to stream?
iirc jaedong/etc weren't allowed to stream with hiya (at least from what I remember on that topic?), but was allowed to play games with hiya that hiya could stream.... but they couldn't even stream on afreeca
so I somewhat doubt it? oo
I think with blizzard acting as puppet master, KeSPA will have to loosen its grip on their players. I think kespa players streaming is a good possibility; however, I doubt many of them will stream even if they have permission. Hell, I doubt many of them will even ladder. kespa pros have such a sick practice regiment that there isn't any time for leisure ladder time.
Lol, why do people act as if Blizzard is the stronger partner in this? KESPA is backed by corporations that are worth much more than Vivendi. Blizzard won't be doing any puppeteering soon
Vivendi is like 18 billion and is larger than EA. So this is actually a sincere question - how much money is backing KESPA?
Pretty sure Samsung alone is much bigger than Vivendi.Kespa is backed up by major corporation such as Samsung,KT,SKT and etc. Everyone knows this already.
But Blizzard are the ones who create and own SC2. So yeah they probably hold the most power and profited the most from the SC2 e-sports scene.
Blizzard also has the most to lose if LoL becomes sc1's replacement instead of sc2 in Korea. I don't think you can say that blizzard has complete control.
For example this is what Kespa claims is what blizzard originally wanted.
However, Blizzard has asserted not the right as a copyright but unreasonable demands as following.
1. Set the contract term for using its games to 1 year 2. Prior approvals about all league operations such as contracting sponsorship, marketing materials, broadcasting plan 3. License fee for running of league and all license fee of sponsorship inducement 4. Ownership of all broadcasted programs, program videos 5. Right to audit KeSPA
This is apparently Gom's final offer before the lawsuit.
The final offer is as follows
Contest License Fees: 1 won per year Broadcasting License Fees: 100,000,000 won per season (up to 3 seasons a year) Length: One Year Ownership Rights: The ownership of the broadcasting material created under this contract will be split 50:50 between the Broadcasting station and Gretech/Blizzard. Logo and Branding: The Starcraft: Broodwar logo and Blizzard's logo must be clearly visible in the stage, the set, and in broadcasted material IP rights: Every license needs a clause acknowledging Blizzard for creating the game and for the ownership of the IP. Sub-license: Gretech will have the rights to approve all sub-license contracts. The revenue from the sub-licenses will be fairly split between Gretech and the Broadcasting Station Sponsor: All revenue from Sponsorships will be the property of the broadcasting station Approval: Whenever you use the Intellectual Property rights, you need approval from Blizzard and Gretech
- What is the Blizzard's IP rights requirements? What about the derivative works and reselling broadcasting rights?
▲ I cannot answer these questions in depth as these are covered in an NDA, so please be understanding of that. Anyway, what I can tell you is that all derivative works (such as broadcasted shows) using StarCraft: Brood War, their IP rights will belong to KeSPA and OGN-MBCGame. It is also possible for them to take these contents, then sell them as they see fit for various platforms they might be planning. However, there is the requirement that if they wish to open up a new SC: BW league elsewhere, they must negotiate with Blizzard again.
[11:38] If there was an IP right issue over the secondary contents, what happens?
Paul Sams: the original contents belong to us. This is something agreed upon by other 3 organizations as well. Broadcasting rights and its contents will be owned by each broadcasting company. This is a win-win scenario for all players.
Sounds like Kespa got what they wanted. If blizzard had the most power would they not have given themselves 100% ownership of broadcasting rights?
On May 02 2012 12:32 zokj wrote: are kespa players allowed to stream?
iirc jaedong/etc weren't allowed to stream with hiya (at least from what I remember on that topic?), but was allowed to play games with hiya that hiya could stream.... but they couldn't even stream on afreeca
so I somewhat doubt it? oo
I think with blizzard acting as puppet master, KeSPA will have to loosen its grip on their players. I think kespa players streaming is a good possibility; however, I doubt many of them will stream even if they have permission. Hell, I doubt many of them will even ladder. kespa pros have such a sick practice regiment that there isn't any time for leisure ladder time.
Lol, why do people act as if Blizzard is the stronger partner in this? KESPA is backed by corporations that are worth much more than Vivendi. Blizzard won't be doing any puppeteering soon
Blizzard owns the intellectual property. I can pretty much guarantee that blizzard is the reason why the switch to SC2 is 100%. You can have all the money in the world at your disposal; however, if you don't own a product, you are severely limited with what you can do with it.
Didn't it take a while from release before the sc2 korean teams to let their players stream? And they prevented them all from playing in NASL season 2 last minute. Blizzard didn't stop those things why would they prevent KESPA from doing anything similar?
Kespa might have some leverage during negotiations with the threat to just broadcast LoL instead. I doubt Blizzard would like that they want to get those 4.5 million Korean buyers of sc1 to upgrade not to have them play and watch a competitors product for the next 10 years.
And if LoL doesn't work out MBC showed there is always k-pop!
There was no organization preventing SC2 koreans from streaming. I am pretty sure it just took awhile for them to realize how popular streaming was outside of korea.
I think NASL is a joke, therefore I can not comment on that since i don't follow. However, once again, up until now there was no ruling party over SC2 players, so no company/organization could have prevented koreans from entering NASL. Who is 'They'?
KeSPA knows how much of a following RTS has and they want to make sure they are a prominent piece moving forward. Do you not remember that Blizzard required negotiations with kespa in relation to BW leagues a year ago? Blizzard *owns* BW, not KeSPA. Therefore if Blizzard says kespa isn't allowed to run a BW league, then they must obey or face legal consequences. My thought is that Blizzard gave KeSPA/OGN an ultimatum: Either switch to SC2, or lose all Blizz RTS rights. I would say that is pretty damn good leverage.
Look at what the search function found!
According to DongRaeGu, " I am sorry, I can't begin streaming again. I belong to the SC2 Association (E/N: this) and they prefer progamers don't stream."
They is the Korean teams who all decided to keep their players from playing in NASL. (possibly organized together as the sc2con organization they had at the time that ended up disbanding)
Blizzard couldn't keep the financially weak sc2 teams playing nice so what will they do against Kespa?
Blizzard already tried to get rid of all broadcast rights of Kespa that was the entire lawsuit when sc2 released. Its to late to do that again now and there is no point because they can't find sponsors anyways bw will be gone in a year either way.
But you really think blizzard is fine letting Kespa broadcast LoL exclusively? Because that is what they'd do if Blizzard played hardball like that.
On May 02 2012 12:32 zokj wrote: are kespa players allowed to stream?
iirc jaedong/etc weren't allowed to stream with hiya (at least from what I remember on that topic?), but was allowed to play games with hiya that hiya could stream.... but they couldn't even stream on afreeca
so I somewhat doubt it? oo
I think with blizzard acting as puppet master, KeSPA will have to loosen its grip on their players. I think kespa players streaming is a good possibility; however, I doubt many of them will stream even if they have permission. Hell, I doubt many of them will even ladder. kespa pros have such a sick practice regiment that there isn't any time for leisure ladder time.
Lol, why do people act as if Blizzard is the stronger partner in this? KESPA is backed by corporations that are worth much more than Vivendi. Blizzard won't be doing any puppeteering soon
Vivendi is like 18 billion and is larger than EA. So this is actually a sincere question - how much money is backing KESPA?
Pretty sure Samsung alone is much bigger than Vivendi.Kespa is backed up by major corporation such as Samsung,KT,SKT and etc. Everyone knows this already.
But Blizzard are the ones who create and own SC2. So yeah they probably hold the most power and profited the most from the SC2 e-sports scene.
Blizzard also has the most to lose if LoL becomes sc1's replacement instead of sc2 in Korea. I don't think you can say that blizzard has complete control.
For example this is what Kespa claims is what blizzard originally wanted.
However, Blizzard has asserted not the right as a copyright but unreasonable demands as following.
1. Set the contract term for using its games to 1 year 2. Prior approvals about all league operations such as contracting sponsorship, marketing materials, broadcasting plan 3. License fee for running of league and all license fee of sponsorship inducement 4. Ownership of all broadcasted programs, program videos 5. Right to audit KeSPA
Contest License Fees: 1 won per year Broadcasting License Fees: 100,000,000 won per season (up to 3 seasons a year) Length: One Year Ownership Rights: The ownership of the broadcasting material created under this contract will be split 50:50 between the Broadcasting station and Gretech/Blizzard. Logo and Branding: The Starcraft: Broodwar logo and Blizzard's logo must be clearly visible in the stage, the set, and in broadcasted material IP rights: Every license needs a clause acknowledging Blizzard for creating the game and for the ownership of the IP. Sub-license: Gretech will have the rights to approve all sub-license contracts. The revenue from the sub-licenses will be fairly split between Gretech and the Broadcasting Station Sponsor: All revenue from Sponsorships will be the property of the broadcasting station Approval: Whenever you use the Intellectual Property rights, you need approval from Blizzard and Gretech
- What is the Blizzard's IP rights requirements? What about the derivative works and reselling broadcasting rights?
▲ I cannot answer these questions in depth as these are covered in an NDA, so please be understanding of that. Anyway, what I can tell you is that all derivative works (such as broadcasted shows) using StarCraft: Brood War, their IP rights will belong to KeSPA and OGN-MBCGame. It is also possible for them to take these contents, then sell them as they see fit for various platforms they might be planning. However, there is the requirement that if they wish to open up a new SC: BW league elsewhere, they must negotiate with Blizzard again.
[11:38] If there was an IP right issue over the secondary contents, what happens?
Paul Sams: the original contents belong to us. This is something agreed upon by other 3 organizations as well. Broadcasting rights and its contents will be owned by each broadcasting company. This is a win-win scenario for all players.
Sounds like Kespa got what they wanted. If blizzard had the most power would they not have given themselves 100% ownership of broadcasting rights?
Very interesting observation! Seems as if LoL has forced peoples hands on this issue.
On May 02 2012 12:32 zokj wrote: are kespa players allowed to stream?
iirc jaedong/etc weren't allowed to stream with hiya (at least from what I remember on that topic?), but was allowed to play games with hiya that hiya could stream.... but they couldn't even stream on afreeca
so I somewhat doubt it? oo
I think with blizzard acting as puppet master, KeSPA will have to loosen its grip on their players. I think kespa players streaming is a good possibility; however, I doubt many of them will stream even if they have permission. Hell, I doubt many of them will even ladder. kespa pros have such a sick practice regiment that there isn't any time for leisure ladder time.
Lol, why do people act as if Blizzard is the stronger partner in this? KESPA is backed by corporations that are worth much more than Vivendi. Blizzard won't be doing any puppeteering soon
Vivendi is like 18 billion and is larger than EA. So this is actually a sincere question - how much money is backing KESPA?
Pretty sure Samsung alone is much bigger than Vivendi.Kespa is backed up by major corporation such as Samsung,KT,SKT and etc. Everyone knows this already.
But Blizzard are the ones who create and own SC2. So yeah they probably hold the most power and profited the most from the SC2 e-sports scene.
Blizzard also has the most to lose if LoL becomes sc1's replacement instead of sc2 in Korea. I don't think you can say that blizzard has complete control.
For example this is what Kespa claims is what blizzard originally wanted.
However, Blizzard has asserted not the right as a copyright but unreasonable demands as following.
1. Set the contract term for using its games to 1 year 2. Prior approvals about all league operations such as contracting sponsorship, marketing materials, broadcasting plan 3. License fee for running of league and all license fee of sponsorship inducement 4. Ownership of all broadcasted programs, program videos 5. Right to audit KeSPA
This is apparently Gom's final offer before the lawsuit.
The final offer is as follows
Contest License Fees: 1 won per year Broadcasting License Fees: 100,000,000 won per season (up to 3 seasons a year) Length: One Year Ownership Rights: The ownership of the broadcasting material created under this contract will be split 50:50 between the Broadcasting station and Gretech/Blizzard. Logo and Branding: The Starcraft: Broodwar logo and Blizzard's logo must be clearly visible in the stage, the set, and in broadcasted material IP rights: Every license needs a clause acknowledging Blizzard for creating the game and for the ownership of the IP. Sub-license: Gretech will have the rights to approve all sub-license contracts. The revenue from the sub-licenses will be fairly split between Gretech and the Broadcasting Station Sponsor: All revenue from Sponsorships will be the property of the broadcasting station Approval: Whenever you use the Intellectual Property rights, you need approval from Blizzard and Gretech
- What is the Blizzard's IP rights requirements? What about the derivative works and reselling broadcasting rights?
▲ I cannot answer these questions in depth as these are covered in an NDA, so please be understanding of that. Anyway, what I can tell you is that all derivative works (such as broadcasted shows) using StarCraft: Brood War, their IP rights will belong to KeSPA and OGN-MBCGame. It is also possible for them to take these contents, then sell them as they see fit for various platforms they might be planning. However, there is the requirement that if they wish to open up a new SC: BW league elsewhere, they must negotiate with Blizzard again.
[11:38] If there was an IP right issue over the secondary contents, what happens?
Paul Sams: the original contents belong to us. This is something agreed upon by other 3 organizations as well. Broadcasting rights and its contents will be owned by each broadcasting company. This is a win-win scenario for all players.
Sounds like Kespa got what they wanted. If blizzard had the most power would they not have given themselves 100% ownership of broadcasting rights?
Very interesting observation! Seems as if LoL has forced peoples hands on this issue.
LoL, the savior of SC2? Oh wait, he's about to start playing starcraft 2!
On May 03 2012 03:59 GodOfWar wrote: Predicting the current SC2 Stars to still be on top of the game at the end of year. + Show Spoiler +
ForGG was already a epic fail
Apparently u didn't read The Elephant article here in Team Liquid.
You gotta understand that all the SC2 "Pros" were mediocre players in BW to say the least. I don't think that Flash, Bisu, etc will do anything until the end of the year, but as soon as HotS kicks in expect them to catch up on the 2 year gap they had.
i'am sc2 fan "godofwar" although i know that sc2 is much easier than bw, that is a fact. you must be delusional to think otherwise or you are trolling.
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