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Or is it embedded within the SC community from the roots?
It seems that wherever I go in the SC2 community, there are always people who hate a certain race. In the beta, it was zergs hating Terran players. This means that said zerg players hated not only the Terran "race" but also the type of person that picked terran on a near personal level.
Now you'll see a ton of terran players hating on Protoss players. I ladder as both races (this is in master league, I assume it's relatively the same throughout all leagues, though.) and when I play protoss there is a 70% chance that at the end of the game my opponent will say something to the effect of "protoss faggot".
This causes a few problems..
-It can attribute to the lack of unified communitys on bnet. Let me elaborate:
Let's say I go to the practice partner thread in hopes of starting a practice group (you know, vent, practice games, all that good stuff that makes gaming more fun right?) Unfortunately, the Terran player I pick subsequently has an inner hatred of Protoss players. Thus, our "relationship" doesn't work out because he ends up leaving and un-friending me because he get's angry at the end of the game, justifying the loss with the fact I was playing a certain race.. this is based on a few "real life" stories.
-It can actually effect potential real-life relationships at LANs etc. I beat a zerg using an aggresive strategy while playing terran, and he leaves saying terran is a joke (this is at a freaking LAN). If this player did not have a bias against Terran, and he was all mannered, then I would have felt comfortable going up to him afterwards and talking, thus creating a real life friendship. Again, based on a true story.
This mentality is so deeply embedded in the SC2 scene that I fear it may never go away. People need to realize that playing a certain race has little to do with the actual person playing it. The guy playing Protoss on ladder just now in a PvT probably did NOT pick Protoss just to "abuse" the fact that they're strong in the current metagame, but rather he probably picked the race when he first picked up Starcraft when he had NO idea what high-level multiplayer was like.
My personal hope for our community is that eventually the hatred in game, on a personal level, will go away with time. When someone is losing he will stop blaming it on balance and instead focus on the mistakes he made during the game. That we will all take a step back and realize this is just a game that you can allow you to meet and hang out with other like minded nerds (most people I meet at LANs share so many of my interests it's insane, compared to highschool where I couldn't hold a conversation with someone not into video-games for more than a minute because our interests are so completely different).
And my personal fear is, that it is embedded in the NA scene too much. I say this because I rarely experience any BM on the korean server, compared to the NA server which is endless BM (no I don't freaking care if you GLHF or GG. What I do care about is the hateful one-liners that I see at the end of nearly every ladder match. How the fuck am I supposed to meet people in game if they BM me after our first game? I'de love to live in a community where I could message my opponent on ladder after the game and talk about the strategy etc involed or become practice partners, something I only can do if I lose currently). My fear is that the people I play on ladder will never think of the game in the same way that I do, and will continue being hateful, obnoxious, and BMt til the end of days. It could just be the NA (sorry EU, I have not played on the server) scene is too "personally" connected to the game and thus, when beaten in game they are offended on a personal level (reference: the IdrA mentality which is largely to blame).
edit: 333 post... :megusta:
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No, its been rooted since BW.
Would have been nice to see it gone but unfortunately it wont
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It will never go away because the day will never come when people stop being noobs.
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Look at BW.. People still hate every race that they lose against .
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I don't think part of the community disliking certain races will destroy the fabric of TeamLiquid or StarCraft any more than disliking certain teams or players or anything else about the game.
It's all part of the game. Some people have really strong opinions, but at the end of the day, most of us get over it when we need to, and just really want to see an epic game 
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It certainly never disappeared in the bw scene. Plenty of people complain about zerg, protoss or terran even though if you ask them they'll probably agree that while not completely perfect, bw is about as balanced as a rts probably will ever be.
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No, people would rather blame something external to themselves as the problem. Why admit that you played poorly when you can simply blame it on the imbalance of the other race!
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I just say I hate protoss players 'cause they chose the easy race...
I don't actually mean any of it.
I understand that it takes skill to play the race...but with how they roll me like I'm a scrub, I have to lash out somehow...'cause I think it's dumb how 5 colossi make it look like I picked up the game two days ago...
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In the words of the great Mr. West, "there will always be haters that's the way it is. Hater *****'s marry hater B****'s and have hater kids".
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On April 17 2012 12:53 EtherealDeath wrote:
It will never go away because the day will never come when people stop being noobs.
Well I hate to play devil's advocate here, but I have to in this case. I have very rarely bmed, and when I have I am embarrassed. When I ladder after typing "gl hf" I just mute the person and I gg if I lose, making the game as impersonal as possible.
However there are times when I have strongly felt the need to say something and have not. I can vividly remember playing Zerg and losing game after game to ridiculous Reaper rushes before the nerf. I don't mind playing vs cheese, but when I know it is coming and there is seemingly no counter it makes me angry. I was so angry I switched to Terran and did a Reaper rush vs a Zerg. I didn't even look up the build order, I just made Reapers. I did it to prove to myself that it was ridiculously easy to pull off, not because I was seeking a win, and it made me feel better to know that it wasn't me struggling with Zerg at that time.
Now I play Protoss, but ever since those days I've always felt a disdain for the Terran race. And that is natural, since playing vs Reaper rushes caused me to experience emotions I didn't enjoy. You dislike, or hate, things that make you unhappy. The moral of the story is that as long as some people perceive an imbalance in the game exists (and in this case I used an imbalance that was later fixed) that doesn't favor their race, people will hate playing vs a certain race.
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This applies to real life o.o
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There's no way that it will ever disappear.
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People are immature. Shit I used to do it too until I realized how retarded I sounded complaining like that about a video game.
As long as there are kids (and some adults :/) playing the game and no one can convince them otherwise, it will continue.
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Higher level: more good manner. If you want to behave cordially like ur sparringf, gotta train to be able to spar with em.
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On April 17 2012 13:02 Jongl0 wrote:
There's no way that it will ever disappear.
This is true but if they can manage to make a more balanced game then you will see less of this type of hate.
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I hope it doesn't, adds more excitement watching your race hero taking down the *imba race* players. I don't even play the game anymore but I'll still watch a tournament to see *imba race* super star get taken out.
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Nope, I hate asians! err i mean...hehe =/...zerg are OP!
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Fuck Terran. Otherwise, gogo. :p
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So long as people play this game, there will always be hate.
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the real question... should anyone care and should we make threads about it? if no then the problem just goes away
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On April 17 2012 13:09 RUS RO DAH!!! wrote:
No, and I hate Protoss.
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Pretty sure it's a human thing.
Every single game has a class/race/etc that someone will hate whether because they think they are overpowered, easy to play, or imbalanced.
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Probably not. Its easy to blame on something else than admit that presumably suck. Even in real life we tend to have scapegoats for everything, like how everyone blames games for society's problems. It may get better just like in BW where there's a little bit less race whining (because from what I can tell BW live reports are 10x better than SC2), otherwise it won't entirely disappear.
That is, until maybe we all decide to play random.
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No it won't because people are stupid. I hate all races equally as much.
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On April 17 2012 12:56 Amaterasu1234 wrote:
I just say I hate protoss players 'cause they chose the easy race...
I don't actually mean any of it.
I understand that it takes skill to play the race...but with how they roll me like I'm a scrub, I have to lash out somehow...'cause I think it's dumb how 5 colossi make it look like I picked up the game two days ago...
did they? what if they had not played any brood war (like myself) and picked protoss (i picked zerg initially, but say I did pick protoss) while knowing absolutely nothing about starcraft other than 1 commentary I saw on youtube? i didn't even play the campaign. had never seen a brood war vod.
and most people stick with the race they initially chose. and that initial decision is most of the time, not based on balance as you don't know what balance is when you're just starting out. I have trouble thinking of a pro-gamer that consistently switches races when theirs becomes weak.. why? cause if you are constantly switching races you will end up sucking compared to the ones who stuck with their initial choice 100%.
thus, the mentality of "They chose the easy race on purpose" needs to go, IMO.
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No, it won't. I hate Protoss so very much.
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I hate protoss as a race because it's terribly designed, boring to play as, and boring to watch. Couple that with the overabundance of Protoss players in the foreign scene compared to Terrans or Zerg and I just can't stand Protoss.
I loved all the races in BW and I don't have the same level of malice directed at any other RTS faction but Protoss just annoys me in as many ways as it can. I don't take it out on players though (unless they complain) and enough of the really casual players that chose their race based on easiness and cheese strategies are mostly gone playing other games.
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On April 17 2012 13:21 AegiS_ wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2012 12:56 Amaterasu1234 wrote:
I just say I hate protoss players 'cause they chose the easy race...
I don't actually mean any of it.
I understand that it takes skill to play the race...but with how they roll me like I'm a scrub, I have to lash out somehow...'cause I think it's dumb how 5 colossi make it look like I picked up the game two days ago... did they? what if they had not played any brood war (like myself) and picked protoss (i picked zerg initially, but say I did pick protoss) while knowing absolutely nothing about starcraft other than 1 commentary I saw on youtube? i didn't even play the campaign. had never seen a brood war vod. and most people stick with the race they initially chose. and that initial decision is most of the time, not based on balance as you don't know what balance is when you're just starting out. I have trouble thinking of a pro-gamer that consistently switches races when theirs becomes weak.. why? cause if you are constantly switching races you will end up sucking compared to the ones who stuck with their initial choice 100%. thus, the mentality of "They chose the easy race on purpose" needs to go, IMO.
no no
It's not what other people did. What other people do or did has no bearing on how much I suck vs 5 colossi (obviously, except for making 5 colossi).
I just need to not suck vs 5 colossi...and then the problem seemingly disappears...
I've found that all the solutions I've ever needed always start and end with me.
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It will never go away completely (I still think BW siege tanks are insane, and even some casters will joke about how supposedly easy protoss is at lower levels), but it becomes kind of good natured and friendly when there is an overall sense that the game is determined by skill. As much as BW players will rage over dts or dark swarm or siege tanks or w/e, the average person knows that there is so much skill to improve on, and such a history of shifting dominance that blaming things on balance becomes less common.
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idra's mentality is to blamed?
God damn stupid toss/terran player, they never understand anything WQE@#$!@$W
/jokes
Umm...Idra complained a lot when toss's deathball was super strong, Zerg win rate at all matchup was under 50%. He hasn't complained that much anymore anyway.
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On April 17 2012 12:57 MrFrenchy wrote:
In the words of the great Mr. West, "there will always be haters that's the way it is. Hater *****'s marry hater B****'s and have hater kids".
We killing the game, its not fair, You muthaf-ckers stay right there,cos we too high up in the air
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No. People are immature and anonymous. I even get hate for playing RANDOM... when playing standard AND telling them my race.
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It's called tribalism.
A memory of our more primitive beginnings, it is ingrained in human nature.
The effects of it can be seen everywhere, from sports to politics.
It will never go away, however the more mature and self-aware a player is, the more they can control it.
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No, and I will hate protoss forever
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No, because Terran is just so hate-able. 
Just have a sense of humor about it. I don't think most of the hating is 100% serious anyways
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It will disappear the day 14 yearolds stop playing
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I use to hate terran so much as a zerg player that it was stupid and just like you said I hated the type of person that picked terran as well. The idea that they thought they were good by simply hitting stim or siege was crazy to me. What I came to find out was that I was simply ignorant of timings, my race as well as terran and as I got better and climbed into masters the hate went away.
There is always a match up (my worst at the time) that I will tilt against or think is dumb but I improve and that "hate moves around.
I dont think the hate will go away but I do think its alot less the better you are and a lot more of an issue in lower leagues.
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I'd like to quote the great Ilya Bryzgalov (GO FLYERS):
+ Show Spoiler +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzpndHtdl9A + Show Spoiler +Yes I realize that he wasn't on the Flyers when he said this, sue me.
It's not strange to me that people will act immaturely on ladder, whining and BMing after losses, but what is really astounding in my view is how accepted this behavior is. Imagine a 12 year old little league baseball player who refuses to shake his opponents's hands after a game, and calls them names and such. He would be reprimanded and told to "act his age". We're a community of people who are (for the most part) older and more mature than 12 year old little leaguers, and yet for some reason people think that BM is some sort of accepted part of the community which we should either live with or promote. It's really weird to me how different this is from every other activity/sport I've participated in.
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I don't hate terrans, I just hate the rampant one base all ins on ladder
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On April 17 2012 13:21 AegiS_ wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2012 12:56 Amaterasu1234 wrote:
I just say I hate protoss players 'cause they chose the easy race...
I don't actually mean any of it.
I understand that it takes skill to play the race...but with how they roll me like I'm a scrub, I have to lash out somehow...'cause I think it's dumb how 5 colossi make it look like I picked up the game two days ago... did they? what if they had not played any brood war (like myself) and picked protoss (i picked zerg initially, but say I did pick protoss) while knowing absolutely nothing about starcraft other than 1 commentary I saw on youtube? i didn't even play the campaign. had never seen a brood war vod. and most people stick with the race they initially chose. and that initial decision is most of the time, not based on balance as you don't know what balance is when you're just starting out. I have trouble thinking of a pro-gamer that consistently switches races when theirs becomes weak.. why? cause if you are constantly switching races you will end up sucking compared to the ones who stuck with their initial choice 100%. thus, the mentality of "They chose the easy race on purpose" needs to go, IMO.
Ever check the B.net forums? After terrans got nerfed to hit a near 50% win rate (which is statistically balance), so many of them switch to another race after their "pressure" builds got nerfed. Not saying everyone, but there are people who will do anything to get win rates and get to a highlevel just to boost their own ego. Pretty pathetic tbh.
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It's just the integrity of how the players play that piss each other off. PvT strongly favors protoss metagame and early aggression, prompting many protoss players to abuse that and make terrans rage. ZvP favors roach timings from zerg who abuse that and cause protoss to rage.
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As someone said, this has been around since BW. It's just natural to hate a race that you seem to do worse against PP
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Its never going to go away. I have to quit a game that I love to play because people threaten to kill my family because I play protoss. I can't ask other people on ladder to be practice partners because the vast majority of NA server players (in my own experience) are immature and bad mannered towards me regardless of the progression and outcome of every game. The community still thinks this is acceptable decorum and it saddens me that everyone is so okay with things like this happening daily. I guess ladder brings out the worst in people.
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In real life sports I know alot of people "hate' the other nations teams in international competition. But it's not real hate its just a symbolic enemy to rally against.
It's just humans wanting somewhere to direct their hatred at to distract from their own failings, and the failings of the teams and players they root for.
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Katowice25012 Posts
My honest thought is that if Dota can have 100 heroes and people still harbor an intense hatred of antimage what chance does SC2 have with only 3 races?
Also it has existed since the dawn of time*
*Brood War's release
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On April 17 2012 13:41 Misoza wrote:
It's called tribalism.
A memory of our more primitive beginnings, it is ingrained in human nature.
The effects of it can be seen everywhere, from sports to politics.
It will never go away, however the more mature and self-aware a player is, the more they can control it.
It really isn't. It's people avoiding having to admit their own flaws and using imbalance as an excuse.
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United States22883 Posts
Welcome to games and competition? The point is that it's NOT something personal, it's just another way for people to take sides, otherwise known as a team. This happens in all levels of society but at least here everyone should know not to take it very seriously.
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On April 17 2012 13:29 R3DT1D3 wrote:
I hate protoss as a race because it's terribly designed, boring to play as, and boring to watch. Couple that with the overabundance of Protoss players in the foreign scene compared to Terrans or Zerg and I just can't stand Protoss.
I loved all the races in BW and I don't have the same level of malice directed at any other RTS faction but Protoss just annoys me in as many ways as it can. I don't take it out on players though (unless they complain) and enough of the really casual players that chose their race based on easiness and cheese strategies are mostly gone playing other games.
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Exactly what I want to say. I love playing & watching Protoss in BW but Protoss of SC2 is just too ugly for me. I reckon Blizzard need to do something here.
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What is the point of this thread? "It'd be nice if people were nicer to each other"?
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only when terran goes away.
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No I don't think so. It's a young community so immaturity is abundant. I play Random and people hate me even though I don't actually play a race. I have gotten the "faggot [insert race]" plenty of times when I randomly was selected that race.
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This is gaming in general, and to a greater extent, anything that is competitive by nature. People never like to feel that they themselves are at fault when they are being outperformed by another. This mentality is similar to in sports, when a player will attribute their loss to the other team having a "hometown advantage" when in reality they were simply outplayed.
I doubt we will ever see an alteration in this mindset, as it is so embedded in our greater culture. I guess my response is to lead by example, by which I try to remain well mannered at all times, and wish the other play good luck, good game, ect. with the hopes that my manners will, in a way, rub off..
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My personal hope is that they include a racial preference, just like map preference.
The thought of never playing PvP again would increase the amount I ladder 10 fold.
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Unless they switch to a 1 race system... no
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No, never. Thats just the way it is.
If it was otherwise, game would be boring.
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yes, when protoss units cost money :D
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Reminds me a lot of this great video
+ Show Spoiler +
Anyways I don't think it's ever going to go away. If you spend a lot of time playing a single race you're only ever getting one view point on your matches.. If you were to always play random, there is probably far less of a deep seated hatred for other races.
For example, as a protoss I tend to focus on moments where I've lost games and thought "This is bullshit all he did was stim and a-move up my ramp", or "Jesus all he has to do is make 200 supply of roaches and a-move them", rather than focusing on the times when I've decimated bioballs with storm or a-moved 5 collosus into a roach ball..
If you think another race is OP and 'the easy race for noobs' you should probably spend a few weeks playing that race.. You'll find it's not always greener on the other side..
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I'm pretty sure that if Terran is removed from SC2, all the hatred would turn to love. It would be boring but at least there is no hatred.
You see Terran is always winning big tournaments, but still whines. Whining results in hating. Babies = whiners. So if Terran babies are removed from SC2, whiners would be non-existent thus resulting in removal of hatred.
I think Blizzard should try it. Remove Terran in PTR and see how it goes. The maybe, just maybe, the world of SC2 would be a better place.
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The grass is greener and people get mad when they lose holy shit how can i even handle this information
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No, and I think it's more fun that way. Goddamn protoss...
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I think one of the biggest appeal of multiple races/factions/armies is that there should be different units from the other side that feel strong and absurd because your side does not have it. For me that was one of the greater appeal of Brood War, and Warcraft 3.
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On April 17 2012 12:51 windsupernova wrote:
No, its been rooted since BW.
Would have been nice to see it gone but unfortunately it wont
It was never this bad though. The whining has increased ten-fold.
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only reason u can bring this up is cause u play the OP race
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i dont think it will go away. even if everyone agrees that the game is balanced, people will hate mutas, marines and collossi.
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I think it's the part of the competitive aspect in game. If we had a sport where we could choose three different weapons to a death-match, we'd be arguing which weapon is more OP and UP (i.e. Roman colloseum games).
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to answer the thread title: no.
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Funny thing, when the game was rather imbalanced (beta, early days), people were friendlier.
These days... people just aren't mature enough to take losses as what they are - getting outplayed.
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On April 17 2012 13:11 TheAngelofDeath wrote:
Fuck Terran. Otherwise, gogo. :p
This.
+ Show Spoiler +
Everyone rages. Some of us say stupid shit some of the time when we rage. Others of us say stupid shit all the time whether we lose or not. I like to think that everyone handles it more or less the same way I do. I hate terran; I always have. I hated terran in bw and that hatred carried into sc2. It doesn't matter that terran now is totally different now. I mean, I first hated terran because of spider mines and those aren't even in sc2.
And I know full well it's irrational. Some of my favorite practice partners are terrans, and it would be insane to say player of race x is of y character. It's so stupid that to point out that it's stupid is a patronizing truism.
But hating on terran is part of what makes the game fun for me.
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On SEA I've been messaged a few time after games, usually after chatting in game at the end about something strategically that happened.
Almost always end up 'friending' the player and having a few custom games.
On NA I got abuse so I went back to plying on SEA. Why be rude for?
I do rmemeber one guy who was rude to me on SEA at the start of a game, and I asked him why he was being rude and he said 'I don't know. Sorry, I didn't mean it"
lol
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so I think this thread is the only thread on team liquid in which I can state freely: Terran OP. Marines OP.
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It depends, does anybody know if IdrA will quit starcraft soon?
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I dont hate the people who play protoss (im zerg), but I dont like the way the matchup plays.
ZvT is fun, and short of misclicking lings in ling/bane wars, ZvZ can be too.
ZvP? Nope.
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theese race hate thing.. makes E-sports fun.. its like football , nba, nfl, nhl.. everybody have a team or player they cheer for and they got rivals! :D
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Aww cmon.. It is fun to be proud of your [sc] race and have fun poking at other's race.
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This has been around since BW..hating BW seige tanks/cracklings/protoss gateway units(usually happens when a P beats a terran)/marines etc.
now it just has changed to forcefields/marines/all ins/marines/colossi/banshee/marines etc.
oh and of course..MUUUUUUUUUUUUULLLLLLLLLLLEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSS
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when i play as T vs P i laugh at protoss lategame
when i play as P vs T, i sitll laugh at protoss lategame...
im commenting on the race not the player
so i guess ur right
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On April 17 2012 14:17 pOnarreT wrote:
I'm pretty sure that if Terran is removed from SC2, all the hatred would turn to love. It would be boring but at least there is no hatred.
You see Terran is always winning big tournaments, but still whines. Whining results in hating. Babies = whiners. So if Terran babies are removed from SC2, whiners would be non-existent thus resulting in removal of hatred.
I think Blizzard should try it. Remove Terran in PTR and see how it goes. The maybe, just maybe, the world of SC2 would be a better place.
Must be troll post. No one wants to watch a tournament thats mainly pvp(ew) and zvz(less ew since it's been developed a bit more to a certain extent but still pretty ew)
Besides, zvp is such a retarded match-up. protoss does 2base timing to kill third. Zerg maxes roaches and attacks. If it goes beyond that, a vortex decides the game.
TvT is much funner to watch even tho we've seen it countless of times. zvt is kinda boring now with fast broods being popular but it's still fun when they use diff strats. and pvt is fun since I can never tell who really is ahead sometimes since I play Z and pvt is very much micro intensive and strat oriented as well.
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On April 17 2012 13:57 Jinsho wrote:
What is the point of this thread? "It'd be nice if people were nicer to each other"?
the point of this thread is expressed in the Title, but moreso I just wanted to give my thoughts on how shitty the NA scene is compared to KR, and gauge whether or not the NA scene will ever adopt the koreans mentality on the game.
Koreans are all so aggresive (or as IdrA might say, gimmicky, risky, cheesy) that it causes them to look at the game in an entirely different way (generally speaking) where this aggresive (again, known as gimmicky faggot risks on NA) play is a desirable skill to have that will make you a better player. Macro is overrated on NA, or EU (it's very easy to macro well in SC2 honestly) whereas having refined aggressive builds is not. So, since everyone in their community plays this way, the IdrA-mentality effectively goes away. Result? less BM on ladder, less hatred of a certain race.
Example, take <generic platinum zerg who feels he is a macro god on NA> and put him on the Korean server against slightly better opponents. Result? He will most likely rage and blame the "risky cheesy faggots" to help mend his bruised ego. I say this because when I first started playing on the KR server I was shocked at the crazy style's / all ins they used, now i'm used to it though.
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On April 17 2012 14:02 blinken wrote:
My personal hope is that they include a racial preference, just like map preference.
The thought of never playing PvP again would increase the amount I ladder 10 fold.
Amen to that brother, amen to that.
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On April 17 2012 14:57 Bleak wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2012 14:02 blinken wrote:
My personal hope is that they include a racial preference, just like map preference.
The thought of never playing PvP again would increase the amount I ladder 10 fold. Amen to that brother, amen to that.
but then terrans would only play tvt
LOL.
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If everyone just played Terran the world would be a much better place. TvT best mirror, Terran Best Race, It's not even a choice.
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Zergs and Terrans always hate each other... it dates far back to Boxer vs Yellow.
Protoss... I think everybody hates protoss, even the protoss players hate it - because of all its DTs and other proxy hidden gay shit. Protoss always hide under their mummy and supervising arbiters, they appear in your base, they disappear when you hit them. It's like Tom Cruise invented the race.
/i'm not being entirely serious in this post, by the way, don't get offended now
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On April 17 2012 14:45 nakedsurfer wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2012 14:17 pOnarreT wrote:
I'm pretty sure that if Terran is removed from SC2, all the hatred would turn to love. It would be boring but at least there is no hatred.
You see Terran is always winning big tournaments, but still whines. Whining results in hating. Babies = whiners. So if Terran babies are removed from SC2, whiners would be non-existent thus resulting in removal of hatred.
I think Blizzard should try it. Remove Terran in PTR and see how it goes. The maybe, just maybe, the world of SC2 would be a better place. Must be troll post. No one wants to watch a tournament thats mainly pvp(ew) and zvz(less ew since it's been developed a bit more to a certain extent but still pretty ew)
Obviously a troll, reverse his name around.
I don't think race hating will ever stop because it's hard not to hate something when everyone else hates it. For example, when reaper rushes were very effective. If someone says Terran is op because of it, how do you think new players will think when they encounter these kinds of things? I think it has to do mostly with influence and how it passes on person to person.
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Of course it won't and I hope it won't.
It adds to some of the excitment and sports aspect. Just like two sides in a soccer game "hates" the other team or the fans of the team.
I hate protoss but I sure as hell wouldn't want them to be removed.
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On April 17 2012 15:08 TripleOSeven wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2012 14:45 nakedsurfer wrote:On April 17 2012 14:17 pOnarreT wrote:
I'm pretty sure that if Terran is removed from SC2, all the hatred would turn to love. It would be boring but at least there is no hatred.
You see Terran is always winning big tournaments, but still whines. Whining results in hating. Babies = whiners. So if Terran babies are removed from SC2, whiners would be non-existent thus resulting in removal of hatred.
I think Blizzard should try it. Remove Terran in PTR and see how it goes. The maybe, just maybe, the world of SC2 would be a better place. Must be troll post. No one wants to watch a tournament thats mainly pvp(ew) and zvz(less ew since it's been developed a bit more to a certain extent but still pretty ew) Obviously a troll, reverse his name around. I don't think race hating will ever stop because it's hard not to hate something when everyone else hates it. For example, when reaper rushes were very effective. If someone says Terran is op because of it, how do you think new players will think when they encounter these kinds of things? I think it has to do mostly with influence and how it passes on person to person.
yeah... reaper rushes were "pretty effective"... 2armor 1supply roaches were "pretty effective" as well and leaving them like that would have solved the reaperproblem zergs had 
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It was never a thing to me until I started playing SC2 on ladder. I dabbled in all three races in SC1 and BW and never hated any of them, though I played Terran the least because I found it kind of weak compared to Protoss, which I played most.
As far as SC2 goes, I'm fine with Terran and Zerg. I just hate Protoss because it feels too easy and it's boring to play and even more boring to spectate. I've been in favor of a heavy reworking of the Protoss race for quite some time now. It's why my interest in SC2 tournaments, especially foreign ones (though Protoss has infected GSL again unfortunately) has waned considerably in recent months, and why I've gone back to watching and playing BW almost exclusively. I want SC2 to be a great game, but Protoss is holding it back.
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For the Allianc--- oh wait, wrong game.
I don't think it will end, and I don't think it should (to a degree). Race/Faction pride is a unique thing to have in games and it is cool that people can emotionally relate to people of opposite/same factions. Of course there is an unhealthly level to which some people desend to (*cough cough idra cough*), but it is nice to have people strongly represent their faction of choice, it adds depth to the game.
As for BM in ladder: there is BM in every sport played. Unsportsmanlike conduct is unsportsmanlike conduct, it is just built into how humans are when it comes to competative activities. Argueably online games host more BM/unsportsmanlike conduct due to the annonomous nature of the internet, but I dont think it will breed into LAN play because the reason is stripped away.
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If there is hatred its because it's FEELS as if when a P beats me, he would be a league under with any other race. Not always, but often.
Whether it's the ridiculous abundance of allins, or the strong lategame...
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A vocal minority of the players from of all races will hate each of the other races.
So what?
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Nop..tht wont go.. I wont stop BMing someone for playing terran, and who gives a reason that its the Human race..thts why i play it....Nop Sir..sorry... you have lost any respect you had, if you played terran..lol haha jk jk jk <3 to all races
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I don't think so. Players don't know how to deal with the frustration of losing to one unit or one tactic all the time. And people who are older and more calm about the game might deal with it just fine but the chance that a 14y old dude who just bought the game acts like this from the beginning = zero.
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It can, most logical terran and zerg players have mutual respect for each other because protoss is so much easier, if protoss was more difficult I think only a minority would complain.
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The hate for a certain race won't go away, not even with a perfectly balanced game. All the people who hate and complain can't even tell if the game is balanced or not, they just can't deal with being responsible for their own losses. So they give the responsibility to the game.
That's a human problem: not being able to stand for their losses. And because SC2 is a highly competitive game and more difficult then almost any other new game it especially effects SC2. You can easily lose in SC2 for a single second of not paying attention (for example getting your army stormed), that's hard to take for a lot of people and because they can't deal with that loss they blame balance issues for it. (in this example: "TOSS OP IMBA STORM SO EAZY!1!1!1!").
What they don't understand is that the same thing can happen to the opponent as well, this game has so many forms of "terrible terrible damage" (D. Bowder) that after all is set and done, the player wins who has better focus on the game, better multitasking (mechanics) and decision making.
The game is probably as balanced as it can be. Maybe the very best players in the world can tell if the game is balanced or not but a "top-masters-NA"-player certainly can't. All forms of balance complaints, whining and BM are ways of people trying to deal (or rather trying to dodge dealing) with their losses. In my opinion that's the wrong way, at least not a good mindset to improve.
TLDR: People can't deal with losses and blame something else for it (balance), that's a human problem and can't be fixed.
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You play toss and terran at the same time so you must be aware how much more volatile terran is compared to toss, how much attention and micro it requires. The offensive words of the race haters come from their conviction that you are doing far less to achieve more which in masters pvt is actually exactly the case.
So unless the game is modified in such a way that people at all levels feel itis balanced at their level, there is always going to be that feeling of injustice when a player of a certain race loses to another that he feels is unfairly strong compared to his, hence the frustration which in turn is responsible for the hate against a certain race. Also, some people are just angry and would hate everything depending on mood.
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Try to look at it from the perspective of any other sport.
It's like asking when will the Red Socks fans stop hating Yankees.
It won't go away and in some ways it's good for the growth of the sport.
IF it does go away, it will be replaced with hating/bashing of something else.
The fact of the matter is that if everyone was cordial, polite, professional and loved each other, it would be quite a bit more boring for spectators.
People love it when a player trash talks or BMs mid game, and when someone does something exceptionally nice or polite, all that happens in the casters mention how nice it is. No one exploded with cheers when Demuslim let Scarlet remake (I know it wasn't streamed, but it wouldn't get any applause from the audience). When Idra doesn't shake hands with someone, OH DAMN IT'S ON NOW!
It's exciting and it's human nature.
I got a bit too serious there, but take it for what it is.
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I hated Zergs in BW, I hate Terrans in SC2.
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lol i thought this was actual 'human race' but as in Starcraft race? Nah that probably wont go away because it is engrained in our roots as a human being watching competition. If you watch any sport, you like one over the other. The only difference really is in other sports you say that their teams are shit, but here you say the other teams (races) are better to pay them out, because you imply it takes less skill to play them.
So im all for it!
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How could you not hate dark templars?....
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the funny thing about is, that you "haterace" will change everytime, another race will defeat you more often.
So every race was a haterace at one point in time. But when you figure out a new build wich works against them you love to play against the race
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Playing through a video game you cannot equate your actions to your opponents actions (in an immediate fashion) and this lends to the mindset that whoever is killing you, is doing so easier than you/only your complications are notable.
This shows, already, "I have to micro M/M/M , while charge zealots A move.", stuff like that. It doesn't really mean anything. People just need a way to vent, lol, always gonna be the 'flavor of the month', 'most OP Race', and people who just despise vs.ing whatever.
It helps IMO, harness your raaaage.
And why are people trying to turn this into balance whining? Talking about X is easier than Y, every Race is designed to have its ups and downs and on average they're performance and difficulty is EQUAL. Context also helps when you're arguing about balance.
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I think it can go overboard sometimes and people stop playing a race or people getting angry in real life for it. I think dislike a race is okay but you will always love playing them instead of your mirror match so hate is a strong word I say dislike is better..
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As long as there are mules I will hate terran.
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I hated Orcs so OP on W2.
Daaaaamn you Blizzard!
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On April 17 2012 16:03 tomatriedes wrote:
As long as there are mules I will hate terran.
Terran needs help with the macro because marines are so weak.
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I have never been more cursed at, than when I suggest that men treat women better or when I 111 a protoss.
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I play random now, but I used to REALLY hate Terran (In my defence PvT used to be broken as shit due to EMP and 1-1-1). I didn't actively rage at Terrans very often - unless they 1-1-1ed, but I secretly wished all of them ill and sometimes got so pissed off I wouldn't gg.
I also sometimes rage BACK at people of any race. Mostly Zerg when I'm Protoss and they complain about Toss being imba, despite all evidence pointing to this matchup heavily favouring the Zerg - I encounter this more on my SEA Toss account (because it's only in Platinum, carrier-rush will get you demoted a couple of times if that's all you do ) than on my random account though.
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I actually like it. It reminds me of sports teams, you have a favorite (your race) then you have a team you hate with a passion
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On April 17 2012 15:47 MrCash wrote:
Try to look at it from the perspective of any other sport.
It's like asking when will the Red Socks fans stop hating Yankees.
It won't go away and in some ways it's good for the growth of the sport.
I think the better baseball analogy -- for this at least -- would be fans of pitching hating power hitters, or fans of "small ball players" hating good defenders.
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On April 17 2012 16:24 ReaperCo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2012 16:03 tomatriedes wrote:
As long as there are mules I will hate terran. Terran needs help with the macro because marines are so weak.
Marines have to be weak with those insane dps.
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Because it's easier to rationalize that the race is overpowered over blaming yourself.
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When I balancewhine, I do it because I can't see any possible way in which I can overcome a type of situation, which is the definition of imbalance. When I know I lost because I fucked up, I admit it and gg out.
Also I hate terran, and terran players too, but thats because I dont have a clue what the fuck is going on in that matchup.
I simply am a guy who hates losing.
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why would you not hate zerg?
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Same goes for any sport, people hate rival clubs/teams/countries.
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I hate gimmicky races - because of that I hate protoss
When zergs were doing the muta-abuse I disliked them as well
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People will always hate losing and that means that they will at times blame the opposing race. It's natural to hate or dislike something so there would always be people who dislike or hate another race. Also someone might not hate the entire race but one specific unit or play style.
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Im no StarCraft racist but...
fuck mules and marines.
fuck sentries.
that is all.
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Probably won't go away. I've always disliked Protoss since BW. I've always had the hardest time against Protoss in BW and in SC2 I find them hardest to play. I'm so used to Terran and Zerg at the moment.
I don't hate people who pick Protoss though that's a bit much I think.
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On April 17 2012 16:47 covetousrat wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2012 16:24 ReaperCo wrote:On April 17 2012 16:03 tomatriedes wrote:
As long as there are mules I will hate terran. Terran needs help with the macro because marines are so weak. Marines have to be weak with those insane dps.
yep they are weaker than ultras witch is bad but they killa ultra one vs one. i think marines need ultras hp tho.
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It's not Starcraft, it's competition, people who are compteting love to blame circumstances which are outside of the players control.(I'm sure we've all heard "Oh the reffs were so shitty in my soccer game the other weekend" or something of the sort.) Balance just happens to be one of the easiest factors to blame when it comes to most competitive videogames.
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Will enmity between (certain) football clubs ever go away?
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starcraft racism will go away when terran is removed from the game.
>.<
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I have noticed that for me this does stem into real-life situations as well.
I meet a fellow starcraft player and ask what race they are, and if they answer terran then I automatically respond with "I hate terran!" even though I actually like terran...as a protoss player that response seems to have just spontaneously birthed itself in conversation. I wish it didn't and I try to fight it but it still rears its ugly head.
Humans naturally want to form groups and anyone who is not part of your group is considered and outsider who becomes everything bad in your eyes.
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I don't think it will. If someone says he plays Protoss, the words gimmicky, low, treacherous and honourless automatically come to mind, even if I know it's a great guy. I wouldn't let my daughter marry a Protoss player.
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It will, when people start to realize the problem is in themselves. Not racial imbalances or so.
Wait a minute, I lost my hope again..
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I don't understand this thread. Hating Terran is part of the fun.
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Denmark145 Posts
To be honest it's really common across almost all competetive games. In Dota and LoL people will be blaming their team instead of themselves. Starcraft is a game where you have no one to blame but yourself, so people convince themselves that there is some racial imbalance going on, and not that they got outplayed.
The best players will always be the ones who disregard whining, and instead blame their loses on themselves
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I am an advocat for racism in sc2!
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Hating a race is a vital part of SC2 imo. Its how we get invested in games that our favorite players are not in. Thats why mirrors are unpopular. If you don't like terrans then your not gonna wanna watch tvt. same with Protoss and Zerg mirrors.
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Have u ever seen Xbox and playstation fanboys arguing with each other over
some trivial stuff on video game forums?
Even if the balance is perfect there always will be people whining about balance
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I hate the other 2 races because I play my race. This has nothing to with with them personally and it's not about balance. I play my race you play yours. We're natural enemies. Get over it.
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Northern Ireland25076 Posts
I hate PvZ with a passion, seeing a Zerg in the loading screen gives me that 'oh no' feeling, I still don't feel that gives me carte blanche to abuse the other guy I'm playing.
Hating races or matchups is great, adds some emotional investment into matchups when you don't really care for either of the players involved. Just don't spill over into being obnoxious as hell that's all!
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personally, i think most of the race hate is more frustration then anything else.
I rarely bm; i don't racehate at all.
When I bmed it was mostly because i lost to something i know i should've won. (like proxy stargate; which I haven't encountered in a very long time now..) But racehate is another thing: i could just play that race if i thought i'd be invincible
I play zerg, almost no one bms in my experience (on eu) (except for one other zerg, to who i started talking. He added me as friend 3 games later )
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It will never go away. This is deep rooted within human nature.
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As long as Zerg is in the game, there will always be race hating :D
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On April 17 2012 17:41 MethodSC wrote:
I hate the other 2 races because I play my race. This has nothing to with with them personally and it's not about balance. I play my race you play yours. We're natural enemies. Get over it.
Except we're really not enemies in any way because of what race we pick because anyone of any race is a potential opponent on ladder. And what race you play need not have any bearing on what players you support. You say it like it's perfectly rational; it isn't. There's no reason to feel any animosity towards the other races simply because you didn't pick them.
This thread is so fucking weird, there are so many people going 'hell no, hating things is good for the game! I like hatred!'
Dafuq.
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I don't even care if they outplayed me, they get a protoss faggot regardless!
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As random I hated no one. It was depressing reading lots of threads hating on randoms though.
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I kinda think this is rooted at least partially in facts.
In my experience its a lot more rare for zerg and terran to hate on each other than vs protoss. I believe this is because of how the zvt matchup feels to play. For example as a Z, i can respect a T who does clever postioning, multitasking with drops and cool marine splitting. I reckon T feels that Z is not that easy to play either, we have a lot of macro stuff to cope with while responding to various threats and positioning our armies.
However in ZvP it feels like you're constantly working a lot harder to keep up with the toss. Zerg has to get that hatchery down, Zerg has to know what he's doing and how to respond, Zerg has to stop those proxy pylons going down. Protoss just has to follow a build with a race that's much easier to macro with. Don't manage to block the hatch? Doesn't matter to you. Don't get that pylon down? Build one somewhere else.
And that's just the first 8 minutes. After that, if you made some macro mistakes or scouted him wrongly you will just die straight up to a single timing attack (probably an all-in on ladder).
PvZ can feel equally strugglebear for the toss. Try to execute this build you saw your favourite player do. Miss a forcefield. Die to mass roach.
Try the build again. Oh he went muta and I didn't see it coming. GG.
I don't play T but from casts etc it kinda looks like it's either win or lose from a timing attack or the toss gets to 200 and rolls you.
So the point of this - Are players just whining or is it actually that there's just a problem with protoss? (not balance, just playstyle).
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On April 17 2012 17:12 Monsen wrote:
Will enmity between (certain) football clubs ever go away?
I don't really think that's a good analogy. The race hate is like if all keepers hated the strikers because they are OP and do all the goals and the strikers hates the midfielders because they think that they are easy to play and requires no skill.
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bm is fun. bm on ladder stops being fun when I break my headset/keyboard.
But overall this is what makes it more entertaining for me, especially as a spectator.
Sure, threatening somebody for real is not cool. bm is just to celebrate your win or just make him fucking leave.
And I don't think anybody really hates a race. It's just random bashing.
Deep in their heart they know they played bad and need to let steam off somehow.
If you wanna witness hatred watch alliance vs horde..
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Hating Blizzard that they made Protoss the way they are. I've never seen a deserved win by a Protoss player in the thousands of games I played. Yes, I hate Protoss from the bottom of my heart. I don't hate the players though.
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Canada5565 Posts
I really don't think it's that serious.
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On April 17 2012 17:29 snowbird wrote:
I don't understand this thread. Hating Terran is part of the fun.
Word!
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The majority will, there will always be exceptions though.
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Everyone should play random.
At the very least, if you rage at someone playing random on ladder, then you need to think about how that player is at your (approximate) skill level playing all three races and is therefore at least as good at your main race as you are. Plus a ton better at the others. Maybe you say they play "cheesy" or something as an excuse for your clear inadequacy in this regard (likely along with scouting, strategy counter knowledge and micro), if random has such an unfair advantage no ones stopping you queueing up with it.
Same argument goes for playing just one race, if another race is so imbalanced and "easy" then you just change races and get lots of wins, easy right?
Its been said many times, people raging are either just looking for an excuse for their own poor play (there's plenty of pros who play at the top level with every race) or take Starcraft way too seriously and need to look at improving the rest of their life.
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As long as people feel like a certain race is easier to play or unbalanced, there will always be race-hating.
Right now, the game feels like:
T>Z>P>T to me.
So as a protoss player, i will simply hate zergs.
Zergs will hate terrans.
Terrans will hate protoss.
When the 1-1-1 was still very strong & popular, it didn't broke PvT..
But it made it very easy to win as terran compared to a protoss defending it.
As long as this 'unfair' feelings exist, people will always hate.
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I dont know about anyone else but personally I say a certain race is retarded not because it is easy or imbalanced but because of certain strategies or units that the race uses that I feel are dumb, Im a Protoss and I think colossi is literally the dumbest thing ever, I hate having to build them every pvp/pvt as they are pretty much a-move herp derp... So I understand why a terran would rage and say protoss players are retarded
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On April 17 2012 18:24 VoO wrote:
Hating Blizzard that they made Protoss the way they are. I've never seen a deserved win by a Protoss player in the thousands of games I played. Yes, I hate Protoss because it helps me mend my enlarged-ego after I lose. I do kind of hate the players though I won't admit it.
fix'd that for you.
and the phrase "Deserved win" is utter bullshit made up by players like IdrA who can't stomach the fact they got outplayed.
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I just hate going against certain races when ever i play X race.
When i play zerg, i hate going against another zerg.
When i plat toss, i hate playing against a terran.
When i play terran i hate going against a terran.
For me, its just my weakst matchups i hate. I play all races. I do BM peopel for doing allins, but its just cause i like a solid game, no gimmicky shit.
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It will stay as long as Protoss does
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I am no racist - I hate everyone. I only respect my opponents if they go for a real macro game and lose.
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On April 17 2012 17:47 Yorbon wrote:
I play zerg, almost no one bms in my experience (on eu) (except for one other zerg, to who i started talking. )
You must've never played me then I totally hate zerg a-movers and always will
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On April 17 2012 19:20 AegiS_ wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2012 18:24 VoO wrote:
Hating Blizzard that they made Protoss the way they are. I've never seen a deserved win by a Protoss player in the thousands of games I played. Yes, I hate Protoss because it helps me mend my enlarged-ego after I lose. I do kind of hate the players though I won't admit it. fix'd that for you. and the phrase "Deserved win" is utter bullshit made up by players like IdrA who can't stomach the fact they got outplayed.
master's toss - twitch.tv/Exalt_
Not biased at all. FTFY. Sorry how many games did it take you to became Master with Toss? I did in 64 games with a 80% winrate. So much hard work, all these turtling and all-inning.
> VoO
> Master Protoss/Zerg
> HM/GM Terran
I guess there were times Protoss deserved to win because I didn't react properly but since Master league onwards... Nope, not a single game was won by a noticable skill difference.
Please continue your pathetic attempts to counter reality. Let me continue my argument structure with: Master/GM distribution, ladder winrates, ladder race distribution, game length winrates, progamer opinions (BeastyQT, MarineKingPrime, Jinro, ...) play length and dominant ladder strategies: PvZ 1/2 base all-in or turtle a-click, PvT 1 base all-in or 20 minute turtle a-click
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It reminds me of skaters vs rollerbladers, same thing when I was skating as a kid.
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Personally I just don't find PvX interesting at all. I don't see many variations in general strategy with protoss. It's either 1 base all in, 2 base all in or attempt 3 base macro which rarely works. With T and Z they both have interesting mirror matches and I LOVE TvZ because of all the different strategies that terran can come out with along with all the different play styles of zerg with backstabs, baneling bombs and army composition
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Racism in Starcraft is a big problem indeed, people need to realise that every race has a part in the game, just like cheese has a part in the game.
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On April 17 2012 19:34 oggy wrote:
It reminds me of skaters vs rollerbladers, same thing when I was skating as a kid.
lol me2 haha :D I was a rollerblader-_-
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It's been around since the beginning of RTS games and hasn't gone away. I don't see that changing :/
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Lalalaland34490 Posts
Welcome to the internet humanity.
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Nope!! :D I love it this way
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its not even a debate, it just wont fcking happen.
fck terran btw. drops are just stupid.
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Things that create a lot of anger in sc2;
•Terran 1 base all ins (lesser so nowadays with maps becoming larger)
•Protoss warp tech (its imba)
•Zerg larvae system/instant tech switching (late game can create all kinds of problems)
Still even if these things were changed people would still be raging about another race, just a little less i would say
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I don't see it as a big issue.
I always roll my eyes though when people STILL hate on terran from the "TERRAN OP" days of yore.
I have more respect for the people who hate the "OP of the month" races.
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Any race I play, people say it's easy to win with it. As someone who has hardtime to stick on one race, imo it's retarded to say one race is easier or not. I'd understand argument of allinning ur way to X level but other than that, its too broand and subjective.
It's rooted to peoples ignorance or some other primal weakness I'd guess.
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It won't ever go away. Some people will always have inflated opinions of their skill, and its not like the ladder system helps that, so they'll always try to make excuses for their losses.
Also Zerg and Protoss tears just make me stutter step harder.
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People need something other than themselves to blame for their loss, cause some won't face the truth.
And that thing happens to be imbalance most of the time.
Heck, i'm even guilty of thinking something is imbalanced from time to time, even though i'm trying my best not to.
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djWHEAT played Terran on Kings of Tin last night and really enjoyed it.
If he can overcome his race hate then it's possible for anyone.
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Everyone will have a weak matchup, everyone will have a hard time figuring out a certain race. No it will never go away, even in a theoretically perfectly balanced game.
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As long as Blizzard continues to patch the game, the haters are always gonna hate.
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On April 17 2012 19:58 Emnjay808 wrote:
its not even a debate, it just wont fcking happen.
fck terran btw. drops are just stupid.
You're complaining about one of the only abilities every race has? Seriously?
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When people stop abusing protoss maybe.
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i direct my hate toward blizzard for bad game design...but no it won't ever go away and its really not a problem. If people are going to begrudge you at some local LAN after a game they lost, they are probably not worth your time.
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On April 17 2012 12:56 Amaterasu1234 wrote:
I just say I hate protoss players 'cause they chose the easy race...
I don't actually mean any of it.
I understand that it takes skill to play the race...but with how they roll me like I'm a scrub, I have to lash out somehow...'cause I think it's dumb how 5 colossi make it look like I picked up the game two days ago...
this sums up my feelings pretty well
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Hating the other race(s) has been a part of RTS games since the beginning. I used to play the original Warcraft and Command and Conquer games back in the day and knew people who used to side only with one race/faction and hated the other in very much the same manner as goes on in SC and SC2. It's become a bit like team rivalry in football and, sadly, never goes away.
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Sure, once Zerg stops being completely OP.
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StarCraft 2 is about war. If you are on war you have to hate your enemies. If you don't, then it loses it's sense.
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On April 17 2012 22:56 Zeetox wrote:
StarCraft 2 is about war. If you are on war you have to hate your enemies. If you don't, then it loses it's sense.
That would mean you should hate yourself in a mirror match.
EDIT:
Given you are not talking about players but gameraces.
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Did people really still hate the other races in BW? I was a long-time Broodwar player and I honestly didn't experience much racism as I do in SC2. I experienced more ad-hominem attacks than anything in BW :D
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No, it's all part of the fun.
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Maybe when protoss get more than 70 apm in high master i will try to get some respect
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Haha Starcraft racism. I don't know but I rarely encounter race specific hate (sure a lot of rage quitters) but never to the "fucking protoss faggot" extent. But I can understand people getting really salty after a losing streak and since it's the interwebz, a personal insult easily slips out. I just rage quit without gg if I'm that angry.
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Its a part of every competitive online community, Super Street Fighter 2 Turbo (the "main" SF2 version) that people play in tournaments to this day hate Guile and Dhalsim characters/players. People in Quake 1 hated the Rocket Launcher and anyone who used it. AWP in Counter Strike. In WoW it was Rogues until Death Knights came with WotLK
There is always hate and "rivalries" going on, i remember i always cheered for BW Protoss because to me they were the underdogs for a long time and i was always drawn to players such as Intotherain and Garimto.
In single player games i dont think you really see that, sometimes we have annoying fucking characters, like the ones in newer Zeldas that cannot shut the hell up and constantly annoy you, but its usually in competitive online games this happens.
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nope, everyone is gonna hate the race they can't beat cause they feel like its imba. Its how it is with every game. Theres something people can't deal with and they will hate it.
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On April 17 2012 23:00 Naxx wrote:
Maybe when protoss get more than 70 apm in high master i will try to get some respect
Congratulations, you're 5 years old.
See, Idra is such an inspiration to aspiring gamers everywhere, with his attitude that keeps e-sports squarely in the realm of the mind-numbingly immature.
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It will continue as long as Blizzard is patching the game because it's a definitive sign of imbalances.
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Why would I blame myself for losing when I can blame Protoss for being a cheesy-ass easy to play race?
^^ This is why race hate will never go away. And good too because fuck Protoss.
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I hate protoss so much. nothing with balance , I just hate them
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On April 17 2012 23:42 Carl_Sagan wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2012 23:00 Naxx wrote:
Maybe when protoss get more than 70 apm in high master i will try to get some respect Congratulations, you're 5 years old. See, Idra is such an inspiration to aspiring gamers everywhere, with his attitude that keeps e-sports squarely in the realm of the mind-numbingly immature.
But that is part of the fun. If there never was any BM in pro gaming, I think it would be a fairly boring place. Everyone needs someone they love to hate, or hate to love.
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I will quote Jinro. "I only hate Protoss after I lose to them."
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To the OP : you can improve your chances of having a friendly match by inserting a friendly smiley after your opening-game-statment.
Example : "hf gg "
Even better : "hi" ==> "hf gg ! "
Personally I now add smileys and punctuation like this when I wish fun for my opponent, and the response IS REALLY better than without it. I also feel better when my opponent is the first to type something and inserts a smiley, or says "hi" before the usual "hf gl gg" statement, so I think that it is natural that most other players react like I do.
It works, try it out (EU server, masters level, if it matters)
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Its not really a matter of will this ever dissappear from starcraft, so much as will it dissappear from the human mentality. That is that we like comfort and acceptance and are opposed to feeling uncomfortable (because back in the day, when you were feeling "uncomfortable" it usually meant you were in a life or death situation). And society has just become lazy, (especially western society), where is it is so much easier to lay the blame on something else "Hmmmph, that P/Z/T just beat me because his race is imbalanced" as opposed to "wow, I was out-played that game, maybe I should look into whatever flaw I had in my gameplay that caused that loss". Self-reflection is not a big thing in our society because the Ego is.
So will it go away? No, not likely. Best you can do is just find a group of friends who feel the same way as you and play with them. And at tournaments? Don't worry about how others feel, its got nothing to do with you its just how people deal with things.
And btw, if you think the SC2 community is bad, you should play HoN or DotA. Probably the worst gaming community ever rofl.
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No it wont, why would it, its been here for brood war, thats been around for so long why would it go away?
and prostoss will always be the most hated race in starcraft.
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On April 18 2012 00:08 CrtBalorda wrote:
No it wont, why would it, its been here for brood war, hats been around for so long why would it go away?
and prostoss will always be the most hated race in starcraft.
dam it im so sorrry for posting twice lol wanted to edit
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I think that it will eventually disappear as we intermarry and co-mingle to the point where race becomes less visible. Look at NZ, they estimate that in 30 years 80% of it's population will have Maori blood.
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It won't go away, it's just one of those things that happens I guess...
Generally the hate doesn't transfer onto a personal level, I'm not sure if you've ever been to a barcraft, but (at least in our's), it's irrelevant what race you are. Definitely there's some oohs and ahhs if you play Terran or Protoss from certain people but its definitely in jest...
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On April 18 2012 00:09 Zorkmid wrote:
I think that it will eventually disappear as we intermarry and co-mingle to the point where race becomes less visible. Look at NZ, they estimate that in 30 years 80% of it's population will have Maori blood.
Not so impressive, 200 years ago it would have been close to 100%
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I think this kind of attitude has less to do with game balance than it has to do with player preference. As long as there are players who choose to focus on only one race, we'll see these attitudes regardless of how well balanced the game becomes. As players choose to branch out to playing all 3 races, and stop sayings "I'm a Terran" or "I'm a Zerg" or "I'm a Protoss" and start saying "I'm a Starcraft 2 player", they become less likely to display this attitude.
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Probably not. Based on posts I have read over the past few months, Terran players just have a special perspective on the game.
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i don't hate any race, but ZvZ is boring unless it's 2 top kr players.
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Like Tyree pointed out, this is part of every competitive Game (even inSports like Soccer, F1 Racing,...). Its no "real hate" its just frustration seeking a valve.
In SC2 ist especially frustrating if you KNOW some type of play is coming and you prepare for it and lose nontheless.
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Have you seen Artosis in brood war? It is really not just a game when you are pouring your heart into playing it, only to lose to some simple build that is incredibly hard to stop by the other race. There is always going to be hate and its just how it is.
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People will always complain about anything they lose to.
Always.
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I'll stop hating Protoss if they make it an interesting race.
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As a Protoss player, I don't understand how lower league players such as Diamond and below can not hate the colossus. You attack into them and your army melts O_O.
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It probably won't ever go away, unfortunately. I like all the races though I used to play race wars a lot in the golden days of bw, and would always play random back then in team games and what not.
Now I just choose different races all the time. I think most of the racial hate is when a player decides to only play one race every time and they never experience the thrill of playing with all three races, and so they never gain the appreciation for using the other races.
If you think Zerg is OP and lame, go play zerg for a while, see if you can roflstomp people with them. If you think "marine imba", go try massing marines only as Terran and see what happens. If you hate dts, go do a dozen dt rushes as Protoss. Hopefully, you'll either A.) Enjoy it more, and then in the future you can laugh when playing against your hated race, or B.) You will realize it's harder than it looks, and your groundless hate on OP units will subside.
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I hate all 3 equally so that's fine right?
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No because someone always has a match up they find more difficult, or their W/L ratio is least against, and most likely they will hate that race.
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hate is human, its never going to go away.
also most ppl hate imbalances, not the "race" itself, and at this stage the game is very fragile.
i will hate protoss forever :3
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The way we choose which race to play forces us to dislike other races. We play them and lose, we dislike them. Its the same reason why you root for your race normally in a big tournament or you rather watch your race play etc.
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If they remove Terran, then race hating will go away. Jking, but the race hating is a lot of fun and I actually root against terran in nearly every game, giving me vested interest when watching. Rational, fair, reasonable? Not at all, but then again neither is team hating in football, it does make things more fun.
Really I hope that race hating never goes away, and that someday team hating spreads to add more emotion and vested interest to the Esports scene.
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Lol hating something in the game has always been part of every game, video or otherwise. I don't think there's ever been an entire community that just broke apart just because some players hate x, some players hate y.
I actually think it's good that some players hate certain races, if you hate it so much practice against it until it becomes ez. It forces players to develop rather than just sit there on their asses playing in their comfort zone.
In the end the strength of the community and the strength of the game are mutually exclusive.
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Come on ! We shouldn't be racist in a video game !
We shall love equally all the races !
Neither of this race is superior, they are just different.
Zerg being a little more different thant the rest if you see what I mean.
Well, I didn't account terrans in my statement because they are just too OP
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The only "racism" we should be concerned about is rooting against koreans simply because they aren't white dudes. That has gotten pretty old in my opinion. Cheering for/against a race is natural if you play one of the races or just don't like the design or the units of a race.
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On April 17 2012 23:00 Naxx wrote:
Maybe when protoss get more than 70 apm in high master i will try to get some respect
This is why it will never go away.
Most people make excuses when they lose in anything, in Starcraft, the race is the easiest thing to blame. So then you just convince yourself of bullshit which isn´t true, while you only see the game out of your own biased eyes.
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On April 18 2012 00:34 Crownlol wrote:
People will always complain about anything they lose to.
Always.
But not everyone will be wrong about complaining. Sometimes they have the right to do so. Refers to one of the first replies about the reaper rush.
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Even when a game is balanced, it isn't balanced at all skill levels. As long as this remains a thing (which it will) there will never be a reason for people to stop complaining about a certain race. As long as they hate the race and not the player, I am kind of fine with it.
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Just a bunch of hive mind bullshit. Someone says "Toss IMBA" on a GSL preshow, and all the sub-diamond scrubs now think it's acceptable to qq about Protoss balance. It's stupid, but it's pretty easy to just ignore.
I queued up my first ladder game last night (as P), got a Zerg, and he immidiately types (before his split, mind you), "It must be nice to just auto-win 1/3 of your games". Took me a while to understand what he said. It's whatever really, Protoss players at higher levels know it's not as "ez" as people would like to believe.
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I've mainly played Zerg and some Protoss in SC and also BW multiplayer. I always had trouble vs Terrans. I stopped playing around 2001, but my dislike stayed for SC2 and Terran doing so well overall (if not win early GSLs) in early SC2 kinda reinforced that.
I've mellowed out a bit on that since I started playing random in January this year, but I don't think it will ever go completely go away.
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I don't hate players who pick Toss, I hate Blizz for breaking the game.
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Uhh, I'm pretty sure people don't actually hate other people for playing terran. People hate "terrans" because they've been gayed out of a million games by terran doing a really abusive all-in that's really hard to stop (or have lost to ghosts sniping their whole army or bunched up everything and got sniped+emp'd to shit despite being at an advantage), so it's frustrating to play against. People hate "protoss" because they have an imbalanced lategame, so they've lost a ton of games to protoss players who were playing worse than them (slower, worse decision making, etc), so they're frustrating to play against. People hate "zerg" because broodlord infestor is imbalanced without a specific unit/composition to stop it (and muta play is very hard to play against if you don't ahva a lot of experience with it), so they're frustrating to play against.
I think the only people who go a step further and hate the people who play the race are just angry people. Now, I do hate some players from some races because they talk shit or flame all the time, and perhaps a certain race has more of those players than others, but that's just a coincidence.
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To quote a stylish hat that avilo wears on his stream: "fuck protoss"
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I hate my own race. 
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Football fans do it with other teams and whatnot, its all just competitive nature and if its not in a shitty tone then it can make for good conversation and fun debate. Yes the point you're making is it is only a game, then it also applies to your opinion in this. "Its only a game, so who cares if I fucking hate playing vs protoss?" haha
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when infestors stop being retardedly op ill stop hating on Zerg ^^
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I hate all the races.
Terran because it frustrates me to play against 4 marauder drops and snipe all my pylons out from under me.
Zerg because BL/infestor is a pain in my ass and I usually just die unless I've already put myself ahead somehow.
But I hate Protoss the most. Because I play it. FIGHT THE FUCKING BEAST AND WIN.
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ok unlike probably 75% of the ppl posting their opinion in this thread i have actually read more than the OP. Funny enough besides funny "no"-oneliners things like this strike me the most:
On April 18 2012 00:18 Sabu113 wrote:
Probably not. Based on posts I have read over the past few months, Terran players just have a special perspective on the game.
dunno whether to cry or to laugh actually. i know how i am when i am angry and i have flamed many many (protoss) players for nearly no reason but i keep it away from a public discussion forum like TL. Everytime i am not playing or have recently played the game i think about star2 rationally and i just like it the way it is. I like players chosing a race and i like playing against different races (because that obviously greatly seperates us from sth like chess). And though it is saddening i know myself well enough to be certain about the fact that the "discussed" phenomenon will not go away ever.
edit: and right while i wrote this my poor eyes read this:
On April 18 2012 02:02 Pulimuli wrote:
when infestors stop being retardedly op ill stop hating on Zerg ^^
speechless.
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When Blizzard wakes up and balances this freaking game then this shit will slowly fade away.
As it stands, TvP and TvZ late game are laughable.
But, I also find that when a Terran wins a late game 200 v 200 situation the Protoss or Zerg usually go mental. Death threats and everything.
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No it won't. When I play as protoss, I fucking hate terran, when I play as zerg, I fucking hate terran, I refuse to play as terran because I think I might just kill myself.
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ok seriously i should stop refreshing this thread and just leave it because otherwise "I might just kill myself".
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I will have the words "FUCK TERRAN." engraved onto my tombstone.
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FUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK TERRAAAAAAAAAAAN!!
User was temp banned for this post.
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No, and I hope it never does
Rooting for races is fun in and of itself!
Plus, certain races in certain positions SHOULD have it easier.. unless of course we have an utterly stale game.
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you wanna see hate try playing random
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Like most games with some sort of competitive level, it will most likely never go away.
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On April 18 2012 02:03 Sajiki wrote:ok unlike probably 75% of the ppl posting their opinion in this thread i have actually read more than the OP. Funny enough besides funny "no"-oneliners things like this strike me the most: Show nested quote +On April 18 2012 00:18 Sabu113 wrote:
Probably not. Based on posts I have read over the past few months, Terran players just have a special perspective on the game. dunno whether to cry or to laugh actually. i know how i am when i am angry and i have flamed many many (protoss) players for nearly no reason but i keep it away from a public discussion forum like TL. Everytime i am not playing or have recently played the game i think about star2 rationally and i just like it the way it is. I like players chosing a race and i like playing against different races (because that obviously greatly seperates us from sth like chess). And though it is saddening i know myself well enough to be certain about the fact that the "discussed" phenomenon will not go away ever. edit: and right while i wrote this my poor eyes read this: Show nested quote +On April 18 2012 02:02 Pulimuli wrote:
when infestors stop being retardedly op ill stop hating on Zerg ^^ speechless.
That is more of a joke though, i hate zerg because my TvZ is bad and i die to infestors
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I hope not. Zerg, toss, and terran having an inherent disliking for each other kinda goes with the stoyline.
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I think that it brings an interesting aspect to the community, tbh.
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I don't see the race hate as a bad thing (making sure it's well known that I mean sc2 races, and not those in reality). When I was a wow player, I was all about the Horde pride. Meeting Alliance players and discussing the game with them was half the fun of playing the game at all. I don't honestly believe all alliance players are pansy-ass weaklings, but it's fun to joke around that they are.
Similarly, Protoss players don't really turtle to deathball to a-move victory, but sometimes it's fun to think that you've got it harder than they do and to be proud of the race that you play. Those that take it too seriously should probably cut back, but I've never had anyone threaten to beat me because I played Tauren or currently play Zerg. I think it just adds a bit to the interraction.
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On April 18 2012 02:42 Ignorant prodigy wrote:
you wanna see hate try playing random
Amen.
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Although it would be nice to play Starcraft without people raging at you after every game, I don't think that hatred between the races will ever go away. As humans we LIKE having something to hate, as to some extent, it bring people together. I've noticed that many people, myself included, always enjoying having something to rant about. Thus, as a whole, there will always be hatred between the races because people like to hate too much, and also people always hate the race they're losing to.
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I've learned that this is only a video game, and that hating any part of this game is pointless, because I could just uninstall if I hated it.
So instead, I have decided to hate people that make a big deal out of anything involving this game (like the people that complain about the interface when it's completely fine, and the people that continue to play the game when they keep making threads about how they are so stressed out and afrade of playing, and for some reason they think anyone is going to give them sympathy on these forums or care at all when no one does).
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I don't think it will ever go away but I like that it is in the game. Gives me a sense of unity with the race I play. Also fuck terran XD
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I do not believe people will stop hating on races, that's the whole point of having races that operate very differently with their own flavor. People will identify with a race, or after having played a lot of random pick a race, and then play a lot of games with that race. Naturally they will find they are better at one match-up than another, or will find one strategy they have a really hard time against. After game upon game of struggling with these things you naturally tend to develop a certain dread and hatred for it. There's really nothing wrong with it, it's just part of the learning process.
The problems you state, which you blame on race hate, I think are more-so due to people being short sighted and/or over emotional. However, in my experience having gone to several lans and barcrafts, is that most people understand that that rage is more directed towards the game itself than to players and that all but the most short-sighted player will blame someone (or instantly hate someone) because of the race they picked. I play vs a friend of mine who plays Zerg at masters lv (I'm a diamond Toss), and PvZ feels like my worst match-up. I can tell you that every time I play him for more than a couple games in a row I start raging at him a little and bitch about whatever zerg strat has been bothering me lately (usually Mutas >.<). Sometimes I keep my cool and other times I tell my friend I hate him and hope he dies, but we both understand that this has nothing to do with our actual friendship (we are quite close) and even though I rage like that at times we are both willing to play more a different day to get more practice.
So, really I don't see this as an issue until people take it too seriously and make it an issue. Talk to that guy at the lan who raged at your race, why would you let that affect any chance to meet someone new? More than likely he'll laugh at his own rage and you guys can talk about what happened, what you think could have gone better. It's only the situation that the person is taking their own rage seriously that is an issue, and personally I don't think anyone who takes their own rage at a specific race seriously enough to de-friend you in RL of in-game is worth making friends with really.
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Where's the poll? I wanna see which race is hated the most :D
I hate Protoss btw.
Seeing as everybody else is balance whining...
Oxymoron of the day:
+ Show Spoiler +
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what kind of question is this
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The hate started with the first game having 2 different races. crossbowmen so overpowered with their +1 on range. As long as people search for excuses why they lost, there will be hate. Or if they can't accept that the game works the way it works.
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Well, Protoss are hopeless amovers and so are zerg. What can you say?
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It's also got to do with how much you have to vary your playstyle and micro just to compete on level terms with a certain race. Thats what makes me hate on other races. They require such big adjustments for your broad playstyle, and then very very niggley changes in order to not lose like a retard.
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Everyone hated orcs in Warcraft 1.
Everyone hated orcs in War2. You could only be orcs, really. =P
In fact, everyone hates orcs in War3! They're the reason UD retires!
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Race complaining is part of the game, and part of the fun :D
I cant count how many funny conversations I had with my friends regarding races
There just comes a point when it is enough and its important to recognize that.
To your question, no it does never go away but I like it that way ^^
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it's all idra's fault, no doubt
/thread
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nope, will hate zerg forever. they are OP and whine the most.
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Assigning blame is one of the mind's defense mechanisms, which allows you to fail without your self-image shattering. That's a good thing. The byproduct of that is that a lot of people blame races, mechanics, units, or anything else in the game that they can't control for why they lost. This will never change as long as humans are humans.
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As long as 3 races exist in the starcraft universe, the race that you are not playing will always be looked down upon. It is just common sense.
Look at ( I know its a poor example) the NFL. Say you are a huge Dolphins fan, and your team is playing another team, if the other team wins you arn't gonna be happy for them, you are gonna get pissed and try to find reasons why they arn't legitimate.
Just my 2 cents..
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Aslong as terran can get more money then their opponent by using some energy in a economic based RTS game, ill hate them. its actully funny in a way how people try to justify something as stupid as this.
BW 100 times better then SC2 in both balance and gameplay. to bad the game is dead.
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I think it's just an assumption of the unknown. The vast majority of players don't play all three races so as the methods change for the races they don't play they stop understanding how difficult the other races have it.
The grass is always greener, until you get there.
I blame the fact that its well accepted to play only one race. So instead of most people playing random and having a better overall perspective on how difficult all aspects of the game are, people get into ruts where they experience the tactic but have no implicit knowledge of how difficult it is. They only see the performance. Like anyone watching a professional sport they haven't played, the professionals make it look easy. Running around a court and swinging a racket and magically the ball lands right where they want it, how hard can that be? The devil is always in the details and until you have a well rounded perspective on how all the races' tactics work you will only see the performance with no understanding of how difficult it is.
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Virtual racism at its finest.
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On April 18 2012 05:12 NotYetAWoman wrote:
Aslong as terran can get more money then their opponent by using some energy in a economic based RTS game, ill hate them. its actully funny in a way how people try to justify something as stupid as this.
as long as protoss and zerg can make way more workers in the same amount of time by using some energy in ... AN economic based RTS game......
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I hate all races equally.
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I hate the zerg race with a passion, its so one-dimensional. Inject correctly and win till masters, lame. Its not going away either
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Orc so imba, nerf that blademaster man!
Towers so imba, fucking human
oh, wrong game.
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Well, nerds would have to stop being terrible, first.
So, no.
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On April 18 2012 05:17 leather gracket wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2012 05:12 NotYetAWoman wrote:
Aslong as terran can get more money then their opponent by using some energy in a economic based RTS game, ill hate them. its actully funny in a way how people try to justify something as stupid as this. as long as protoss and zerg can make way more workers in the same amount of time by using some energy in ... AN economic based RTS game...... So u agree? Terran has a huge advantage in lategame with the mules, considering they wont need as many workers and will have X amount more supply in army. Its a badly designed mechanic and should be removed/replaced with something else.
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On April 18 2012 05:53 NotYetAWoman wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2012 05:17 leather gracket wrote:On April 18 2012 05:12 NotYetAWoman wrote:
Aslong as terran can get more money then their opponent by using some energy in a economic based RTS game, ill hate them. its actully funny in a way how people try to justify something as stupid as this. as long as protoss and zerg can make way more workers in the same amount of time by using some energy in ... AN economic based RTS game...... So u agree? Terran has a huge advantage in lategame with the mules, considering they wont need as many workers and will have X amount more supply in army. Its a badly designed mechanic and should be removed/replaced with something else.
Are you suggesting they should have never introduced chronoboost or inject in the first place?
EDIT: You might be on to something...
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It is my dream that one day, all races can be unified and get along. I play random, and if there's one thing the three races all hate, it's random players, so please, get along with one another and direct all your anger and hatred towards me. I will absorb all of your hatred, unifying you one step at a time, until you see that there is another way; a way of love. And together, may we all pave a path filled with love, and leave our disdain towards one another behind us and step toward a brighter and happier future
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On April 18 2012 06:03 dUTtrOACh wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2012 05:53 NotYetAWoman wrote:On April 18 2012 05:17 leather gracket wrote:On April 18 2012 05:12 NotYetAWoman wrote:
Aslong as terran can get more money then their opponent by using some energy in a economic based RTS game, ill hate them. its actully funny in a way how people try to justify something as stupid as this. as long as protoss and zerg can make way more workers in the same amount of time by using some energy in ... AN economic based RTS game...... So u agree? Terran has a huge advantage in lategame with the mules, considering they wont need as many workers and will have X amount more supply in army. Its a badly designed mechanic and should be removed/replaced with something else. Are you suggesting they should have never introduced chronoboost or inject in the first place? EDIT: You might be on to something...
I call BS, yes the lategame army of Terran can and often will be higher in supply, however they lack a power Unit similar to High Templars / Infestors / Broodlords, that, correctly used can do an incredible amount of damage for relatively little cost.
So, they can be ahead in supply and still not be able to crush their opponent, which gives Zerg and Protoss the possibility to rebuild. With Warpgates and Larvae, they rebuild a lot faster. So everything has strengths and weaknesses.... big surprise I know..
So, as long as people are ignorant and do not think their thoughts through before opening their mouths, Imba whining will not stop.
So no, it will never stop.
Since this is also an "I hate X in SC2" thread, here is what I hate:
Fungal Fucking Growth. Half the damage of Storm, but guaranteed 100% of the damage dealt PLUS immobalizing the units PLUS detecting invis units, versus the fastest race ingame. Thank you, seems fair that my Blink Stalkers are usefull for about 2 minutes in a game.
Storm is never 80 Damage vs a competent opponnent and has none of the extra gimmics. Yo, what up?!
Also you would not need to introduce some funky way to harrass the economy if you would allow Phoenix to exist in PvZ.
Edit:
Not saying it makes zerg OP (Roaches are enough for that but it does not fit the race or even the game imo.
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People will always complain. Race is just an outlet to do so.
imagine Starcraft only had Terran as a race, so every game was TvT. Instead of forum posts like Protoss OP, it would be Seige Tanks are so Cheap or Marines are OP.
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I think it's a huge problem and it's not okay. The people saying it's fine are those who are doing the constant raging. It makes the ladder less of a FUN place and destroys the purpose of playing a STRATEGY game. The current "top race" keep changing, something many people can't understand.
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This sort of hate and BM will always be there no matter what game you play really. Whether it be COD or Starcraft one or 2 or even TF2 or something, people will always bitch when they lose.
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I kind of doubt that racial discrimination will ever go away in the game. Players will always have a tougher time against a certain race at certain times even if they are a GSL champion. It is only natural to blame the game rather than blame oneself for a loss. I personally have a love-hate relationship for terran. As a protoss player I tend to really hate terran, yet I usually secretly hope I play them because terrans are usually very predictable at platinum level so it usually means an easy win unless I really screw up.
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On April 18 2012 09:43 _Jupiter_ wrote:
I kind of doubt that racial discrimination will ever go away in the game. Players will always have a tougher time against a certain race at certain times even if they are a GSL champion. It is only natural to blame the game rather than blame oneself for a loss. I personally have a love-hate relationship for terran. As a protoss player I tend to really hate terran, yet I usually secretly hope I play them because terrans are usually very predictable at platinum level so it usually means an easy win unless I really screw up.
It's also natural to take a crap in the street, but people wait till they get to a bathroom. Learned behavior. Saying you hate terran because they beat you is frankly pathetic.
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On April 17 2012 23:00 Naxx wrote:
Maybe when protoss get more than 70 apm in high master i will try to get some respect
Over-generalized statement is over-generalized.
i have 130+ new-sc2 apm at the end of a game, and 200+ normal apm, being mid through high masters. can you respect protoss now? no? thought so. people with this mentality wouldn't respect protoss even when If I outplay them on every turn, in a macro game, on a horrible protoss map like Dual Site. you're simply blinded by ignorance to protect your ego
APM/multitasking =/= race
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Whenever I lose in SC2 I don't lose to skillful players, I lose to the Protoss Deathball.+ Show Spoiler +No it won't go away, people will always find a way to blame their losses on the race they are playing against, for zerg its the protoss deathball. for Protoss its the massroach rush stephano style etc.
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Everyone has a bad matchup an people hate what they can't wrap their head around. So nope I dont forsee good race relations in SC2 in the near future
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On April 18 2012 10:21 Integra wrote:Whenever I lose in SC2 I don't lose to skillful players, I lose to the Protoss Deathball. + Show Spoiler +No it won't go away, people will always find a way to blame their losses on the race they are playing against, for zerg its the protoss deathball. for Protoss its the massroach rush stephano style etc.
and terran doesn't need to because they don't lose
idk its kinda fun to bash races as long as its all in good humor (which cant actually be guaranteed -__-)
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well white people are still OP so probably not
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I think its fine to hate another race. It creates drama which prevents things from getting too boring
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race hate is childish and stupid, whats next hating james bond new jacket?
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i race hate on ladder cause i obviously feel butthurt from every all in. even in mirror i still flame my opponent, then block them. but in reality, i know the loss is 100% my fault. there is nothing to blame in a 1v1 game like sc2
but yeah, i wouldnt do it at a lan ever, i know its just a game, sometimes, its just relaxing to exchange words online just dont take it seriously
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On April 18 2012 04:27 CosmicHippo wrote:
what kind of question is this
I didn't expect everyone to understand the context that made me bring up this question.
I also don't expect anyone to fully understand until you play a lot on the NA ladder as Protoss, and then go play on the Korean ladder a lot as Protoss. I can say I've only been "bmed" on the korean ladder (and by BM I mean the spew of hangul beforre they leave) 2-3 times. On NA though? I can factually say hundreds of times. This is in master league too >.>
The culture differences/ way the two cultures look at the game is the main issue. My question's context was, why the fuck can't we be like koreans and not be whiny douches on ladder? 
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I don't hate people who play a race I dislike playing.
It's a little hard to hate Zerg when I play Zerg. ZvZ is my absolute worst and most hated matchup.
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No. Fucking pylons, all over the fucking place.
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I don't GG protosses most of the time, I just can't help it, I just hate protoss. If the reaver was in I'd probably be playing them though.
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People are always going to hate on the race that they lose the most to. I don't think metagame matters very much compared to personal matchups. For example, Idra has always hated Protoss. He hated on P when ZvP was 40-60 in favor of P, and he continues to hate on P even though the metagame has now shifted closer to 60-40 in favor of Z. Its no surprise that ZvP has consistently been his worst matchup over time. While Idra is also known for his Teran hate back in the beta, he's much more muted about it now because his ZvT wlr has improved dramatically.
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Will "Hating a certain Race" ever go away?
No, i dont think it will ever go away.
It seems to be embedded not only in starcraft, but in a whole generation of internet users,
It relates verry much to the age of people, you will see this alot less with people above a certain age.
Unfortunatly the age-group where this mainly comes from is also the loudest.
My personal hope for our community is that eventually the hatred in game, on a personal level, will go away with time. When someone is losing he will stop blaming it on balance and instead focus on the mistakes he made during the game
I do share your wish but not your hope, extrapolating the trend seen over the past 5-10 years one can conclude that it will only get worse unfortunatly.
Better grow a thick skin and avoid getting personally involved with annyone.
Nice thread btw,
The title seems dull somehow but i realy like the op.
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Seems kind of immature to hate a certain race lol. If one race was much easier or stronger it would show in tournament results. Yet we see that all races win tournaments and that the top 8 generally are pretty even.
Some MU's can be frustrating at times though. At the moment mass roach seems almost impossible to deal with as protoss and I understand that lategame TvP is hard atm.
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I realize a lot of people are being funny, but I frankly still cannot believe the number of responses to this thread that are basically "fuck T/Z/P".
You'd think people would be a little self conscious about race hate in a thread about how it's idiotic and killing esports and everything.
But it's 40% full of people simply justifying it. Hah, wow.
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Nice thread OP. You know what? I'll say it; I think it can go away if we truly want it to.
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No it wont because it's a fact that some races are easier at different levels, and it frustrates people that they have/had to work harder to get to the place they are at.
For example, mained Protoss since Bw and eventually for into masters. Then to mid masters, got bored and tried zerg. Took me one month to get into masters as Zerg. At that level, Zerg is easy as fuck, I couldn't believe it. Don't get me wrong, I understood the game very well. I never played Terran, but it seems the hardest race to master. And I stand objectively as I quit sc2 and don't care about all the bullshit. However when I say 'mastered' I don't mean one base cheeses all the time to masters.
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To be honest, I don't want the race hate to disappear completely.
I like the tension between opposing sides.
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as long as any game has any sort of race or class (or both), there will always be hatred. its sort of a microcosm of society as a whole.
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On April 18 2012 05:53 NotYetAWoman wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2012 05:17 leather gracket wrote:On April 18 2012 05:12 NotYetAWoman wrote:
Aslong as terran can get more money then their opponent by using some energy in a economic based RTS game, ill hate them. its actully funny in a way how people try to justify something as stupid as this. as long as protoss and zerg can make way more workers in the same amount of time by using some energy in ... AN economic based RTS game...... So u agree? Terran has a huge advantage in lategame with the mules, considering they wont need as many workers and will have X amount more supply in army. Its a badly designed mechanic and should be removed/replaced with something else.
Oh yes, and do you see this "huge advantage in late game" for terran anywhere? GSL games? MLG games? Battle.net statistics?
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On April 18 2012 16:22 Sein wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2012 05:53 NotYetAWoman wrote:On April 18 2012 05:17 leather gracket wrote:On April 18 2012 05:12 NotYetAWoman wrote:
Aslong as terran can get more money then their opponent by using some energy in a economic based RTS game, ill hate them. its actully funny in a way how people try to justify something as stupid as this. as long as protoss and zerg can make way more workers in the same amount of time by using some energy in ... AN economic based RTS game...... So u agree? Terran has a huge advantage in lategame with the mules, considering they wont need as many workers and will have X amount more supply in army. Its a badly designed mechanic and should be removed/replaced with something else. Oh yes, and do you see this "huge advantage in late game" for terran anywhere? GSL games? MLG games? Battle.net statistics?
Yes
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If there is a difference in a thing (in this case a race) then hatred will always occur between them
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It's clever - but not true at all. Do you think PvZ is just 2 players sitting in their base doing nothing? No pressure and no harrass? Even in PvT the protoss will often be the aggressor or the harrasser.
Yeah, I think there will always be the "race-hate" but I think for eSports it's actually good. In WoW in made so much tension that even talking to a few friends about it could get you all fired up (in a good way). I (as a protoss player) like when I'm sitting next to another P-player or even a T-player and complain about zerg. I also love talking to Z-players about banshees and drops. It's easy to just call "OP", because I think the game is pretty balanced. But some things are just really hard to handle, if you aren't prepared.
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On April 18 2012 17:17 Mentalizor wrote:It's clever - but not true at all. Do you think PvZ is just 2 players sitting in their base doing nothing? No pressure and no harrass? Even in PvT the protoss will often be the aggressor or the harrasser. Yeah, I think there will always be the "race-hate" but I think for eSports it's actually good. In WoW in made so much tension that even talking to a few friends about it could get you all fired up (in a good way). I (as a protoss player) like when I'm sitting next to another P-player or even a T-player and complain about zerg. I also love talking to Z-players about banshees and drops. It's easy to just call "OP", because I think the game is pretty balanced. But some things are just really hard to handle, if you aren't prepared.
the whole point of the joke is that its a gross oversimplification
congrats on reading way too much into it
btw fuck terran i'll always hate them because of the way siege tanks evaporated everything for a majority of the beta and thats not even mentioning the way they could abuse early map pools
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Probably not, since almost everyone is weak against a specific race. Leenock is great against Terran but struggles against Protoss, while Lucky is the exact opposite. Unless someone is equally good against all races they'll probably dislike the one they're weakest against.
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Unfortunately, until the perfect balance for all three races comes up, there is going to be QQ's from each race lol.
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Even if you could prove that it's entirely irrational for any one race to dislike another race (which you can't because its a subjective subject) human beings do not act entirely rationally (some do more than others). Therefore there will always be race complaints and balance complaints.
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No...even with perfect balance there will still be hate.
Blind hate = noobs that can't accept the fact they made mistakes and lost because of them...not because of the other player's race
Fan-hate = ppl who support fanatically 1 race, disconsidering the other 2.
Sports revolve arround fans. Fans of X hate Y. Hate makes sports what it is today. Hate is sadly a very important part of our society and it's even part of our evolution (historically).
It's like asking "Will slavery ever dissapear" when your iPhone (just an example) is made with components "farmed" by ppl exposed to slavery. Fail much? U are dependent on items made by slaves thus u are dependent on slaves. Same thing with hate....u just don't want to fully admit it or u don't see it.
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On April 18 2012 14:21 LavaLava wrote:
I realize a lot of people are being funny, but I frankly still cannot believe the number of responses to this thread that are basically "fuck T/Z/P".
You'd think people would be a little self conscious about race hate in a thread about how it's idiotic and killing esports and everything.
But it's 40% full of people simply justifying it. Hah, wow.
Exactly my thoughts, but it makes more sense when you spend a day on the NA ladder.
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For me the hate came from terrans telling me i didn't play zerg correctly, this was during the time of mass reapers and 3 range roach :p not to mention pre tank-nerf.
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Why would it? Some people are going to dislike certain races, both as an opponent and their mechanics.
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People will continue to hate certain races because each race has weaknesses in certain areas. When people see their opponents exploiting the strong points of their race, aspects that are probably weaker in one's own race, they get mad.
That aside though, brood war was once 50 times less balanced that SC2, if you look at the differences between the DPS, the spell-casters, and the build times. Any race that complains about EMP/fungal/storm should realize they're variations on an AoE damage spell. Comparing and balancing the powerful brood war abilities like swarm, plague, irradiate, storm, and recall impressed me a lot more than the balance changes in unit range and stuff like that.
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I'll stop hating Protoss when TvP late game is actually fair. Either Buff terrans late game or make P's late game much more micro intensive.
Yeah thats why I'll always be hating Protoss b/c late game is literally unfair. No other issue is so blatantly obvious and broken than this. Theres a reason I see T only 20% of game on ladder over 200 games played recently. Theres also a reason all high masters random players agree TvP is hardest, but PvT not hard for them.
Again nobody will listen b/c the truth is drowned out by the cries of the ignorant masses complaining about stupid other shit.
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On April 19 2012 11:07 Kenshi235 wrote:
I'll stop hating Protoss when TvP late game is actually fair. Either Buff terrans late game or make P's late game much more micro intensive.
Yeah thats why I'll always be hating Protoss b/c late game is literally unfair. No other issue is so blatantly obvious and broken than this. Theres a reason I see T only 20% of game on ladder over 200 games played recently. Theres also a reason all high masters random players agree TvP is hardest, but PvT not hard for them.
Again nobody will listen b/c the truth is drowned out by the cries of the ignorant masses complaining about stupid other shit.
The problem is, korean terrans just destroy protoss at tournaments like GSL. They gotta balance for the highest level of play.
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Maybe they should change the way Protoss works so P HAS to micro. This will help solve issue at masters lvl AND give pros more options for things they can do better in fights at highest lvl.
That way both races can try to reach their maximum potential with micro. Currently the best and worst thing about Protoss is there is little micro involved relative to T.
Balance matters across all levels, that is why they nerfed void rays. If all the active players on ladder only have PvX, ZvX, the game will be less enjoyable and find less reason to WATCH high level games.
No RTS makes sense if 1 race (terran) has to react to everything Z and P make past 10-15 mins for 90% of all games, while the Z/P gets to dip and dap into w/e unit composition they want to "throw off Terran". It should be a 2-way street and 90% of time it is not. Part of this is due to metagame, but its still sickeningly true.
How many games do u have where the P lost b/c he "didn't see battlecruisers or sky terran or mech transition coming?"
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On April 19 2012 11:07 Kenshi235 wrote:
I'll stop hating Protoss when TvP late game is actually fair. Either Buff terrans late game or make P's late game much more micro intensive.
Yeah thats why I'll always be hating Protoss b/c late game is literally unfair. No other issue is so blatantly obvious and broken than this. Theres a reason I see T only 20% of game on ladder over 200 games played recently. Theres also a reason all high masters random players agree TvP is hardest, but PvT not hard for them.
Again nobody will listen b/c the truth is drowned out by the cries of the ignorant masses complaining about stupid other shit.
Exactly this.
That said, I don't hate anyone for it I just deal with it.
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yeah i answered already, whoever actually hates the race is because they're bad. balance doesn't matter in the a non competitive level. you can simply win by playing better.
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I am an SC racist and I hate Terran.
I enjoy TvT not because I like the match up but I love to see Terrans trying to blow eachother up...win/win!
And what's bad about hating a certain race....I mean you are trying to kill them.
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On April 19 2012 11:43 Maxd11 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 11:07 Kenshi235 wrote:
I'll stop hating Protoss when TvP late game is actually fair. Either Buff terrans late game or make P's late game much more micro intensive.
Yeah thats why I'll always be hating Protoss b/c late game is literally unfair. No other issue is so blatantly obvious and broken than this. Theres a reason I see T only 20% of game on ladder over 200 games played recently. Theres also a reason all high masters random players agree TvP is hardest, but PvT not hard for them.
Again nobody will listen b/c the truth is drowned out by the cries of the ignorant masses complaining about stupid other shit. Exactly this. That said, I don't hate anyone for it I just deal with it.
And protosses can easily say "I'll stop hating Protoss when TvP early mid game is actually fair." I think the hate comes from abusive builds at the mid levels of ladder. Stop mass muta as P in diamond? Not going to happen. Kill a P deathball as T/Z in plat (or Z deathball as T)? Hopefully you are happy with 10% success. Stop a 1/1/1 as P before masters? Good luck with that. I play as random, but when I watch pro games, when I see a 1/1/1, I want the P to hold it (because I can't). When I see the zerg just massing up mutas, I instantly want that player to lose. I want to see that protoss deathball die to the bio army, I want to see the BL/infestor comp get destroyed by the P/T player. I can image if I only played one race how quickly I would hate all zergs because they can so easily mass up mutas and roll over me on ladder, and so on.
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I feel like the races are prett balanced and I don't hate on players playing a certain race, bit at the same time, fuck op mules!
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People tend to hate the race they're least good at playing/the race they're least good at playing again. No surprise.
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On April 19 2012 11:26 Kenshi235 wrote:
Maybe they should change the way Protoss works so P HAS to micro. This will help solve issue at masters lvl AND give pros more options for things they can do better in fights at highest lvl.
That way both races can try to reach their maximum potential with micro. Currently the best and worst thing about Protoss is there is little micro involved relative to T.
Balance matters across all levels, that is why they nerfed void rays. If all the active players on ladder only have PvX, ZvX, the game will be less enjoyable and find less reason to WATCH high level games.
No RTS makes sense if 1 race (terran) has to react to everything Z and P make past 10-15 mins for 90% of all games, while the Z/P gets to dip and dap into w/e unit composition they want to "throw off Terran". It should be a 2-way street and 90% of time it is not. Part of this is due to metagame, but its still sickeningly true.
How many games do u have where the P lost b/c he "didn't see battlecruisers or sky terran or mech transition coming?"
i feel like this quote basically sums up my thoughts and frustrations
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On April 19 2012 12:08 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 11:26 Kenshi235 wrote:
Maybe they should change the way Protoss works so P HAS to micro. This will help solve issue at masters lvl AND give pros more options for things they can do better in fights at highest lvl.
That way both races can try to reach their maximum potential with micro. Currently the best and worst thing about Protoss is there is little micro involved relative to T.
Balance matters across all levels, that is why they nerfed void rays. If all the active players on ladder only have PvX, ZvX, the game will be less enjoyable and find less reason to WATCH high level games.
No RTS makes sense if 1 race (terran) has to react to everything Z and P make past 10-15 mins for 90% of all games, while the Z/P gets to dip and dap into w/e unit composition they want to "throw off Terran". It should be a 2-way street and 90% of time it is not. Part of this is due to metagame, but its still sickeningly true.
How many games do u have where the P lost b/c he "didn't see battlecruisers or sky terran or mech transition coming?" i feel like this quote basically sums up my thoughts and frustrations
I'd like to piggyback on this point, and say that this is starting to happen in TvZ as well, at least for me. After ~12-15 minutes, the zerg just seems to control the whole game with their hive tech. Infestor/broodlord is too strong IMO, and if you don't do something weird like a base trade or manage to drop 3 places at once and kill a lot of shit with the drops, it seems impossible to win an engagement well enough to do a counter attack. Even if you do manage to kill the zerg army off, they'll usually have banked resources and will just remax again, while your army is left in shambles. Also, since terran can't remax as quickly as zerg or toss, we have no way to put pressure back on the other guy lategame.
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there is a human psychological impulse that causes a person to attribute their success to personal skill, knowledge, hardwork, etc. and their failings to external factors like bad luck, distractions, apathy, etc. along the same lines people often attribute other's success to luck and failings to lack of skill/knowledge, etc.
Naturally, people facing another person on the ladder will often fall for these impulses and attribute their success to skill and their failings to imbalance.
Also, it doesn't help that there are trolls online constantly pissing everyone off and the current ladder system which makes rising up in the ranks almost addicting. I will admit that I get 10x more angry when I lose on the ladder than when I lose in a custom game.
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Or is it embedded within the SC community from the roots?
its embedded into humanity from the roots
whenever someone becomes a fan of something, anything they label as a rival or enemy gets nothing but hate
jsut ask some of the serious sports fans what they think about the other teams
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No, people love to complain.
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when people stop losing... that's when it will end
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The only reason this thought exists, the only reason people hate other people's races is that they find their respective matchup hard or stupid. People want to blame the player or the race for the own difficulty in whatever matchup, so this is where this race hate comes from.
Its just people blaming other people for things that are their own fault. Story of the universe
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On April 19 2012 12:58 RodrigoX wrote:
The only reason this thought exists, the only reason people hate other people's races is that they find their respective matchup hard or stupid. People want to blame the player or the race for the own difficulty in whatever matchup, so this is where this race hate comes from.
Its just people blaming other people for things that are their own fault. Story of the universe
I agree with this. Blizzard will take care of the balance. Whining on the forums isnt going to make you any better.
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I doubt it will happen, unless some serious changes happen in the SC gaming culture.
I'm a good example myself of what I think is wrong with the culture. I can meet other Terrans on ladder and start venting about how easy this or that race is, despite knowing the fault of losing certain games is all mine. I just think people feel a big temporary relief by blaming another race, but in the end it's a vicious circle, because you don't fix your mistakes, and next game you make the same mistake, and just get more and more frustrated.
I think that the game is pretty well balanced, but I'd just wish some things were harder, so it'd be easier to see how much you fucked up. Sometimes it just seems impossible to beat this or that, and that's when I really start giving up on the game and go on massive tilt. :-p
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Has anyone linked the Team Neutral Moon League yet? I seriously think that it's relevant to the OP. Hating Z P or T adds culture to our community, little bands of people mock-fighting eachother for their races.
I think that it is YOU who needs to take a step back, OP, and realise that this is just a game, and a bunch of people insulting eachother over race choice really isn't an issue at all. It's something to be embraced!
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Fuck terran, people will always complain whenever protoss wins a single game, and zerg is always perceived as being weak even though they seem to win the most championships.
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Although there's generally hate in every game, the trend is, people tend to hate things that are easy to execute but hard to defend against...such as the 1/1/1 in pre-patch 1.4 or hilde's ringout combo in soul calibur 4.
The most hated race has always been Terran.
I blame Blizzard for this because how strong they made Terran's early game compared to the other two races.
Protoss have glaring difficulties defending against mass mass unit counts.
Zerg has difficulty getting anti air.
Protoss lack good harassment tools.
Zerg lack siege weapons until late late game.
Both protoss and zerg lack good detection capabilities in the early game.
While Terran gets everything and are relatively cheese-proof since the release of the game.
Now, I do not think Terrans are as OP as they used to be and I'm not sure how much better they really are in the current build of the game. However, there's still residual hate for that race due to how broken they were historically.
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The animosity tends to be self perpetuating as well. Even just reading this thread I'm annoyed at how many posts there are about how 'protoss is the noob race which requires no micro'. It is frustrating to read that apparently winning games as T or Z would be more of an accomplishment. It's bollocks. Unfortunatly since every race has exploitable strengths and weaknesses players are always going to have something in their opponents play to single out and vent their frustrations.
Don't blame the races, blame your own play..
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On April 19 2012 11:26 Kenshi235 wrote:
Maybe they should change the way Protoss works so P HAS to micro. This will help solve issue at masters lvl AND give pros more options for things they can do better in fights at highest lvl.
That way both races can try to reach their maximum potential with micro. Currently the best and worst thing about Protoss is there is little micro involved relative to T.
Balance matters across all levels, that is why they nerfed void rays. If all the active players on ladder only have PvX, ZvX, the game will be less enjoyable and find less reason to WATCH high level games.
No RTS makes sense if 1 race (terran) has to react to everything Z and P make past 10-15 mins for 90% of all games, while the Z/P gets to dip and dap into w/e unit composition they want to "throw off Terran". It should be a 2-way street and 90% of time it is not. Part of this is due to metagame, but its still sickeningly true.
How many games do u have where the P lost b/c he "didn't see battlecruisers or sky terran or mech transition coming?"
+ Show Spoiler +First off, 2 things, 1 Z is mostly a reactionary race, not T, T dictates the game, if they are not, they are failing. 2 As T you should have done a strong pressure build early to catch P off guard or force them to react and MICRO and not just turtle because P late game is strong.
Continuing on, P is strong late game, they are weak early game, and then they have all their tech units late game, lets see what terran has usually? Tier 1, thats right, vs. what? Tier 3! Gasp, its almost as if the Protoss has a tech advantage that you are whining about that was easily exploitable in the mid game and early game. Their tier 3 also is very slow, i wonder how we could exploit this feature? DROPS, DING DING DING!
Also your basic mechanism is, *Picks most micro intensive race that benefits the most from micro*, *Ladders*, *complains about how he has to micro more than another race*
I have spoiled the above text because it could be seen as trollish, please be warned
PvT late game can be very difficult for Toss if terran plays the game correctly in the early to midgame, you have to pressure and dictate the flow of the game as terran, thats how GSL players win, thats how all terrans usually do win.
The reason anyone complains is because they seem to be unable to reach the gold standard, the S class and so therefore they either admit they are bad, or complain about a reason they aren't a pro player.
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Lose to a race you don't play -> Terribly overpowered race
Win against a race you don't play -> They sucked
Lose to the same race -> Terribly balanced coin-flip game
Win against the same race -> Terribly balanced coin-flip game
That's basically how it works, and it looks even more stupid when people do it in large groups (people seem to think yelling louder or more often makes them right).
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I just love to hate Terran.
They were and are and always will be the scum of sc2.
Balance is not enough, i demand justice, give us an equivalent for 5 rax reaper for about 2 month etc etc.
Scumbag terrans D:
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On April 19 2012 14:33 freewareplayer wrote:
I just love to hate Terran.
They were and are and always will be the scum of sc2.
Balance is not enough, i demand justice, give us an equivalent for 5 rax reaper for about 2 month etc etc.
Scumbag terrans D:
Your post warms my black cold Terran-hating heart.
<3
BTW, I want to see MKP cry again.
He's a phenomenal player that probably deserves his own GSL win....but
he represents everything I hate about Terran.
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Almost everyone that plays a designated race thinks that their race is the hardest to play and is the most under powered, it's extremely illogical.
People just need to realize that they are the problem, not the game! Fix yourself before trying to blame other causes.
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People bring up the example that its still around in BW, and it is a little, but certainly not as much as sc2. Players do terrible, terrible vocal damage to each other over what race they play, and when browsing the forums, this coldness doesn't seem to be as present in BW threads.
I could be totally wrong though because I read a lot more sc2 LR and comments, but this is just the impression I get.
I guess what I am saying, is that I have hope that everything will even out with time, and people can stop saying X race A move, X race has OP unit with ez build and so on and so on...
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Race hating is a part of Starcraft. After all, the insult "Protoss can just 1a2a3a" has survived to this day. That should be proof enough. Trying to exterminate BM and race hate is like trying to exterminate stupidity. You probably won't be successful.
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On April 19 2012 14:50 PenguinWithNuke wrote:
Race hating is a part of Starcraft. After all, the insult "Protoss can just 1a2a3a" has survived to this day. That should be proof enough. Trying to exterminate BM and race hate is like trying to exterminate stupidity. You probably won't be successful.
Totally agree with everything in this post! And I especially like the last two sentences!
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I hated the fuck out of Terran, and Loved Zerg back in BW, but I played Terran in bw.  (die protoss)
but now I play all the races, zerg a bit more then the others.
Love em all.
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On April 19 2012 14:50 PenguinWithNuke wrote:
Race hating is a part of Starcraft. After all, the insult "Protoss can just 1a2a3a" has survived to this day. That should be proof enough. Trying to exterminate BM and race hate is like trying to exterminate stupidity. You probably won't be successful.
What do you need the 2a3a part for?
Just kidding! Don't hurt me!
I really recommend everyone should try playing all three races for a bit - I played Random for 4 months and struggled a LOT.
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On April 19 2012 15:12 FairForever wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 14:50 PenguinWithNuke wrote:
Race hating is a part of Starcraft. After all, the insult "Protoss can just 1a2a3a" has survived to this day. That should be proof enough. Trying to exterminate BM and race hate is like trying to exterminate stupidity. You probably won't be successful. What do you need the 2a3a part for? Just kidding! Don't hurt me! I really recommend everyone should try playing all three races for a bit - I played Random for 4 months and struggled a LOT.
Because you can't hotkey all your units onto one key! You can use up to 36 units as protoss in brood war to crush your competition! It's all you need!
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I hate zerg the most, because they can see the map all time and expand everywhere, then they also get the fastest units and can always run away and dont need to commit to an engagement. They should have the weakest units at least, but banelings, infestor and gglords are stupidly cost effective.
To top it off they also whine the most.
Only thing that makes me happy is that I dont have to play zvz, but they have to ^_^
It will never go away as you can see in this thread.
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I honestly hate protoss from the bottom of my starcraft heart, it all started with their complaining about imbalance when tvp was just fine. Now terran has been nerfed to all hell and tvp is a joke. pvz is also a joke protoss either a two base all ins or b turtles to deathball and wins. I honestly can not watch any protoss other than a select few just because it is so damn mind numbing. As you can see its not going away anytime soon.
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On April 19 2012 15:36 Son of Gnome wrote:
I honestly hate protoss from the bottom of my starcraft heart, it all started with their complaining about imbalance when tvp was just fine. Now terran has been nerfed to all hell and tvp is a joke. pvz is also a joke protoss either a two base all ins or b turtles to deathball and wins. I honestly can not watch any protoss other than a select few just because it is so damn mind numbing. As you can see its not going away anytime soon.
so you hate protoss players for complaining about the m/u a year ago when protoss pro's were usually <45% w/r in the m/u? not to mention back then Terrans usually accounted for 50%+ of the GSL players?
and now you yourself are complaining about the matchup while terrans still have a >50% w/r in the matchup at the pro level? (excuse me, they had *cough* 64% w/r in tvp last month)
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I play terran and even I think terran is stupid. Fuck TvT.
Marines too OP
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