EPT The tempest is currently a very long-ranged aerial siege weapon that can strike both air and ground targets. This gives the protoss army some real reach to force an engagement on their terms in the end-game.
great.. so its an air colossus.. omfg
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Dundron2000
Sweden1140 Posts
great.. so its an air colossus.. omfg | ||
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Shinespark
Chile843 Posts
On April 12 2012 03:49 jj33 wrote: All you guys complaining about blizz, just remember vanilla sc. It was pretty bad at times, it took bw and a huge patch to really get things going for sc1. Blizz hasn't done the best job in sc2, but considering how vanilla sc1 was and how sc2 is, they are doing pretty good. With 14 or so years of experience, you'd think that now, they'd get it at least somewhat right the first time. But you'd be very wrong. Tempests look like yet another a-move deathball unit. We don't want that! | ||
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
On April 12 2012 03:55 crms wrote: I'm not one of the BW champions that you illustrate, I'm just an esports fan who was very hyped for sc2 as the next big competitive game. I see your point about if people like it, it must be good, but lots of people like reality tv shows, and britney spears. Marketing and cultural influences often supercede any sort of objective reality on 'good' or 'bad'. What do you think of my challenge? Do you think SC2 would have even a 1/10th the success had it not been a blizzard released sequel to a successful gaming franchise? Do you think the gameplay alone in sc2 could carry it to such heights? If this was StarCommander 2: Next gen Esports RTS, would anyone have cared about it? I don't think so.. and I think anyone being honest with themself would say the same. I disagree with you in general about your post but I will say this. I won't be surprised if blizzard sells only half the amount of HoTs copys than they have sold of WOL. | ||
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nihlon
Sweden5581 Posts
On April 12 2012 03:55 crms wrote: I'm not one of the BW champions that you illustrate, I'm just an esports fan who was very hyped for sc2 as the next big competitive game. I see your point about if people like it, it must be good, but lots of people like reality tv shows, and britney spears. Marketing and cultural influences often supercede any sort of objective reality on 'good' or 'bad'. What do you think of my challenge? Do you think SC2 would have even a 1/10th the success had it not been a blizzard released sequel to a successful gaming franchise? Do you think the gameplay alone in sc2 could carry it to such heights? If this was StarCommander 2: Next gen Esports RTS, would anyone have cared about it? I don't think so.. and I think anyone being honest with themself would say the same. You seem a bit deluded. Sure it wouldn't have been as big but if you are honest to yourself you'll realize there aren't any better rts games out there (new ones). Sure it's not at broodwar level and I understand if people are disappointed with that but the hyperbolic some people use (like yourself describing the game) is ridiculous. | ||
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jj33
802 Posts
On April 12 2012 03:57 Shinespark wrote: With 14 or so years of experience, you'd think that now, they'd get it at least somewhat right the first time. But you'd be very wrong. Tempests look like yet another a-move deathball unit. We don't want that! haha I agree. trust me, I've vented to my friends how with all the years of experience blizz has now in making rts games and with bw, they'd do things better. I'm just saying tho, all things considered sc2 is a pretty good game. It still has a long way to go to reach bw epic status, but it's a work in progress. Bw wasn't so great till bw, sc1 had soooo many flaws. | ||
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crms
United States11933 Posts
On April 12 2012 03:56 nihlon wrote: By that standard all rts games other than broodwar is mediocre. That's a horrible logic. No matter what you think of sc2 there aren't any new rts games that's anywhere close. you're definitely correct, even if its medicore form (imo) it's better than any other RTS available (or most PC games in general) but it still isn't as good as it should be, which is my only real point. Blizzard had the blueprints to make something great and the community ready chomping at the bit. I feel they failed, the scale of failure is questionable, but this game should be a lot better. | ||
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aintthatfunny
193 Posts
It's so that P has something vs infestor/BL, how can you not realize that? | ||
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BigBossX
United Kingdom357 Posts
On April 12 2012 03:49 jj33 wrote: All you guys complaining about blizz, just remember vanilla sc. It was pretty bad at times, it took bw and a huge patch to really get things going for sc1. Blizz hasn't done the best job in sc2, but considering how vanilla sc1 was and how sc2 is, they are doing pretty good. Yeah but when you consider it took BW and a few patches to make SC1 almost perfect, SC2 has already had a bunch of patches and SC2 has been in the making for years, had huge success of a game to follow on from, tons of games, balance issues and professional play to be based around, it's kinda laughable that SC2 is in the state its in. Now I'm not saying SC2 should have been perfect from release but with SC:BWs history you wouldn't expect it to be far off, atleast I didn't and I'm sure I'm not alone, I mean if SC2 didn't have the title "starcraft" I'm not sure I would have even bothered buying it. | ||
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Big-t
Austria1350 Posts
On April 12 2012 03:54 BlueLantern wrote: Are you kidding? Bronze and silver league players find siege lines so boring, let's give them something they can attack with from halfway across the map without even needing to move out with their army! What makes you think only Bronze and Silver playing find it boring. I am plat and find it boring. XD | ||
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Jermstuddog
United States2231 Posts
The anti air spider mine also makes little sense. From what I can tell, it sounds like they're giving Terran scourge, but they're invisible... The removal of the shredder and replicant is sad, but no surprise. I think if shredders could only be set up with no units in range, it would make a lot more sense as a zoning unit, but using it for worker harass was stupid. I'd have rather they reigned in the harassment power of it than to axe it in general. The replicant was interesting, but we all knew it would go away as the most important part of it was actually the threat that it exists rather than the functional use. Just stick with MORE MMM or roach/ling. The Tempest is going to have problems because the mothership was axed. It sounds like their current implementation has it fulfilling the same role as the carrier, but the carrier filling its current role is dependant on the mothership... Essentially, the mother ship is fine, they just need to reign in vortex. Oddly enough, the Zerg goes mostly untouched, and yet they still seem to be missing the biggest issue in the Zerg race of not being able to shoot up. The Viper sounds good, though eating minerals for energy sounds unnecessarily restrictiive, and the swarm host sounds useless. I would much rather have some that can ATTACK while burrowed. Zerg STILL lacks a meaningful way to punish lack of detection. The Swarm Host doesn't fill that niche in the slightest, maybe if burrowed banelng tunneling stays, that will be useful, but I don't see anything worthwhile coming out of the swarm host given Zergs current toolset. All in all, it seems Blizz is at least moving in the right direction, but they've still got a LOT of distance to cover. Keep up the good work Blizz... | ||
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happyness
United States2400 Posts
On April 12 2012 01:28 Derez wrote: All these new gimmicky units are wonderful, but how about they spend some time on making TvP a match-up that goes beyond MMM? ;/ To be fair they are saying they want more factory options for terran. The Tempest is going to have problems because the mothership was axed. It sounds like their current implementation has it fulfilling the same role as the carrier, but the carrier filling its current role is dependant on the mothership... Essentially, the mother ship is fine, they just need to reign in vortex. This is a good point. The Tempest sounds like its pretty much the carrier now. Really they should just rework the carrier. Like nerf the damage but increase the life of the interceptors. | ||
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YMCApylons
Taiwan359 Posts
The tempest is currently a very long-ranged aerial siege weapon that can strike both air and ground targets. This gives the protoss army some real reach to force an engagement on their terms in the end-game. So...why not give a range upgrade to void rays from the fleet beacon? | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
On April 12 2012 04:02 YMCApylons wrote: So...why not give a range upgrade to void rays from the fleet beacon? Or add Carriers to the game | ||
Falling
Canada11349 Posts
On April 12 2012 03:55 crms wrote: What do you think of my challenge? Do you think SC2 would have even a 1/10th the success had it not been a blizzard released sequel to a successful gaming franchise? Do you think the gameplay alone in sc2 could carry it to such heights? If this was StarCommander 2: Next gen Esports RTS, would anyone have cared about it? I don't think so.. and I think anyone being honest with themself would say the same. I'm a pretty big BW apologist, but I don't think I agree with this. As much as I have grown to dislike what SC2 is, I can't think of a better RTS released in the last 5 years or so. Maybe DoW? I've never played it, but even that is pushing back to 2004. Maybe it wouldn't be as big without SC as it's title, but I think it blows its competition out of the water. Unfortunately, that's not to hard with C&C4 and SupCom2... Anyways, this line of discussion is probably going to drag the discussion down and away from the actual Update. | ||
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An2quamaraN
Poland379 Posts
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goDrop_
Poland43 Posts
anyways imagine situation like that: HOTS, tvz terran places "air spidermine" near his minerals zerg goes with 1 muta to destroy the mine spidermine destroys 1 muta zerg continues to harass | ||
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sperY
Serbia444 Posts
What will toss have to battle brood/infestor? We all know arcon toilet was ridiculous, but it was kind of necessarily. On April 12 2012 04:05 goDrop_ wrote: I dont like the changes for P, and i dont like the oracle anyways imagine situation like that: HOTS, tvz terran places "air spidermine" near his minerals zerg goes with 1 muta to destroy the mine zerg continues to harass You had same thing with spider mines in bw. 1 mine cant counter 10 mutas, it would be ridiculous | ||
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Demonhunter04
1530 Posts
On April 12 2012 03:56 BlueLantern wrote: LOL so it really is Dark Swarm but range reduced to 1 instead of 0? GG Blizzard the jig is up No, it's not Dark Swarm. Dark Swarm makes units under the swarm immune to ranged attacks, but vulnerable to splash damage. Like I said, see Disruption Web. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44257 Posts
On April 12 2012 03:30 zazone wrote: You don't need a post to open your eyes. After I watched several games of competitive BW, even if I was a SC2 player and started with SC2, I already knew something was wrong and irreversible within the game design. Also this video shows it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7k3ZM6bQx4 While easier mechanics in SC2 is a valid discussion topic (not in here), that video was clearly made before the beta came out lol. And it's also irrelevant to these new unit changes o.O | ||
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An2quamaraN
Poland379 Posts
On April 12 2012 04:02 YMCApylons wrote: So...why not give a range upgrade to void rays from the fleet beacon? Lol, what void rays has to do with AoE? | ||
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