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covote
United States86 Posts
These are easy to do tools in the terran bag that make them very deadly. If you have problems with deathball dont let us get there. if all a toss can do is herp derp 1a then you are free to tech and exapnd riskily because they cant harass or pressure. I'm not saying toss is hard to play, but there are devastating things you can do as terran that dont require much apm or multitasking. User was warned for this post | ||
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Superneenja
United States154 Posts
On April 10 2012 00:44 covote wrote: man i sure wish i had stim + medivacs that devours probes, buildings and units. Sure wish i had concussive shells that prevents solid map presence early game. I sure wish i had an HT with snipe and a regular attack. I sure wish i had reliable harass(stimmed drops, banshees, helions). Sure wish i had cheap bunkers + repair that make early expos risk free. Sure wish i could lose half my probes and be on equal resources. sure wish my T1 could actually compete. These are easy to do tools in the terran bag that make them very deadly. If you have problems with deathball dont let us get there. if all a toss can do is herp derp 1a then you are free to tech and exapnd riskily because they cant harass or pressure. I'm not saying toss is hard to play, but there are devastating things you can do as terran that dont require much apm or multitasking. Make sure you wish you had the skill to make all the things you listed effective. HT with snipe and regular attack? Really? You have a unit that does all that, but also basically after it dies(aka becomes useless) you can morph 2 into a very powerful t3 unit. So get out of here with that shit. Wish your T1 competed?...oh ok thats why you build gateways units all throughout the game right because they dont compete?...I would even say they scale better than the terran army, because late game bio is the only option we have all of which Colossi and HTs eat through. Not to mention that 3/3 chargelots are pretty damn beefy. Bunkers are cheap and ya we can repair, but you know that 1 stalker can kill a shit load of marines right? We need a to invest 100minerals into a bunker just so we dont take significant damage from early stalkers. So again you don't know what you are talking about. Oh and shield regeneration is like repair mechanic, except you dont have to pay minerals to repair. All protoss talk about what we can in the early game, whats Terran option for late game? besides death. If you guys yourselves suggest that we finish the game early game, then don't come complain about Terran early game dynamics especially when we have no choice or options. | ||
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Skamtet
Canada634 Posts
On April 10 2012 00:44 covote wrote: man i sure wish i had stim + medivacs that devours probes, buildings and units. Sure wish i had concussive shells that prevents solid map presence early game. I sure wish i had an HT with snipe and a regular attack. I sure wish i had reliable harass(stimmed drops, banshees, helions). Sure wish i had cheap bunkers + repair that make early expos risk free. Sure wish i could lose half my probes and be on equal resources. sure wish my T1 could actually compete. These are easy to do tools in the terran bag that make them very deadly. If you have problems with deathball dont let us get there. if all a toss can do is herp derp 1a then you are free to tech and exapnd riskily because they cant harass or pressure. I'm not saying toss is hard to play, but there are devastating things you can do as terran that dont require much apm or multitasking. This post is full of bullshit. User was warned for this post | ||
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Enzymatic
Canada1301 Posts
Sup terran player. User was warned for this post | ||
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Superneenja
United States154 Posts
Sup person who can't play terran. User was warned for this post | ||
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ETisME
12828 Posts
not too surprised to see TvZ dropped though. after all these time, for the 1st time zerg finally has >50% win rate against terran but it feels like the good terrans are already figuring out how to deal with late game pretty well already. Won't be surprised the win rate goes back to ~50% after it becomes more well-known | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On April 10 2012 01:36 ETisME wrote: really interesting to see terran is actually beating toss in win rate. I always felt the matchup is so heavily favoring toss since the double up went mainstream. not too surprised to see TvZ dropped though. after all these time, for the 1st time zerg finally has >50% win rate against terran but it feels like the good terrans are already figuring out how to deal with late game pretty well already. Won't be surprised the win rate goes back to ~50% after it becomes more well-known PvT results do seem to go against the vibe from the community. But if you look at the number of protoss players that made it to the higher brackets, it doesn't seem that out of place. Terrans seem to putting on more agression in the early game the protoss off their macro builds. They also seem to be working out how to expand behind these builds that include early banshees or tanks. I am excited to see more of it(though I don't want to see banshees on the ladder, hate them with the fire of a nova). | ||
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RavenLoud
Canada1100 Posts
Terran in BW is similar, it requires great micro and mechanics to use, but no one would dare to say that after 3/4 old bonjwas being terran + Flash that it is a underpowered race, even though PvT has been historically favored towards P for the most part. | ||
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larse
1611 Posts
In the first chart, the international one, PvT, Terran has higher winrates in every month except 2011 nov and 2012 feb. ZvT, Terran has all higher winrates except 2012 mar, the gap is slightly smaller than PvT. ZvP, Zerg has higher winrates in all time periods. And the gap is larger than PvT and ZvT. In the second chart, the Korean only one, PvT, Terran has higher winrates in all months except 2011 nov, 2012 jan, and feb. And there are some ridiculously large gaps that favor Terran. ZvT, Terran has all higher winrates except 2011 jul and 2012 mar. Some of the gaps are also extremely large. ZvP, Zerg has higher winrates in 7 time periods, while Protoss has higher winrates in 5 time periods. It's relatively equal compare to other charts, but the gap in each time period is also large, so the winrate swings a lot. To sum up, the overall trends that these charts demonstrate are: 1, In general, the winrates of three races seem relatively equal, even the Korean chart shows a trend of convergence. But when you look at the charts of PvT, ZvT, ZvP, the winrates are obviously not equal. 2, Terran has higher winrates in almost all of the time periods against Protoss; 3, Terran has higher winrates in almost all of the time periods against Zerg; 4, Zerg has higher winrates in most of the time periods against Protoss. | ||
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Cereb
Denmark3388 Posts
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neoghaleon55
United States7435 Posts
On April 11 2012 18:12 Cereb wrote: I am so sick of these charts never ever suiting my ladder experience! :p I've been humiliated by toss for so long and crushing terrans, but now I can't beat terrans to save my life and toss has gotten alot alot easier for me...and suddenly! the chart tells me that terran has gotten easier for foreigner zerg ! hehe go watch stephano. if protoss FFE, do the 12 minute max roaches push if protoss 1 gate expand, do the mass spines infestor build into mass broodlords/infestor. you can't lose XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD I kid, but those are really strong metagame builds against toss right now. | ||
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Cereb
Denmark3388 Posts
On April 11 2012 18:16 neoghaleon55 wrote: go watch stephano. if protoss FFE, do the 12 minute max roaches push if protoss 1 gate expand, do the mass spines infestor build into mass broodlords/infestor. you can't lose XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD I kid, but those are really strong metagame builds against toss right now. No no, I'm trying to say that toss is easier now but terran has suddenly become really hard for me  | ||
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neoghaleon55
United States7435 Posts
On April 11 2012 18:55 Cereb wrote: No no, I'm trying to say that toss is easier now but terran has suddenly become really hard for me oh hehe I like doing the DRG 8:40 roachbling bust/pressure in almost every game...Terrans are so greedy on ladder.... they need to be punished! *whips whips* :D | ||
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Cereb
Denmark3388 Posts
On April 11 2012 19:09 neoghaleon55 wrote: oh hehe I like doing the DRG 8:40 roachbling bust/pressure in almost every game...Terrans are so greedy on ladder.... they need to be punished! *whips whips* :D Hahaha! I like your point But I find that most Terran gets a seige tank out rather early and that seems to nulify this ? | ||
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neoghaleon55
United States7435 Posts
On April 11 2012 19:16 Cereb wrote: Hahaha! I like your point But I find that most Terran gets a seige tank out rather early and that seems to nulify this ? The tanks will be out, but they won't be at the natural in time or else they risk being overrunned before seige mode finishes. Most of the time, if you hit this timing correctly, the tank will be on the main...you can camp the natural for a long time and there's nothing terran can do about it, all while droning your two bases (don't go up the main ramp in this situation! it's suicide!). The only way terran can stop this pressure without damage is by 1 basing really hard, like 3 or 4 rax, double tech lab marauder pumping/tank researching route. In that case, you auto die, XD. | ||
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Adonminus
Israel543 Posts
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drbrown
Sweden442 Posts
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VTPerfect
United States487 Posts
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Ero-Sennin
United States756 Posts
On April 11 2012 20:36 VTPerfect wrote: where are the stats showing protoss > terran at low levels? and even if there was an imbalance i think the top level problem of terran > protoss is much more important... Yeah, and not to get off topic but again, any sort of balance at the lower levels would make as much sense as the MLB balancing the pro level for people who play T-ball. | ||
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dCc
Canada86 Posts
 If anything we should see the Protosses whining. None of the latest patches have changed the matchup much at all. The metagame has evolved, now it is Terrans turn to innovate past bioball. | ||
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