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On April 09 2012 04:09 skeldark wrote: just wanted to say that the ingame observer is really good. I point out all the important facts and informations.
Most definitly! 100% Agree perfect job there!
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Is the stream stuttering in a bad way for anyone else? This is pretty unwatchable for me. 1080p from MLG or NASL is completely fine, but 720p is altogether a different matter. It's weirder still since Twitch handles all three of them.
edit: oh hey, it's completely smooth now hurrah
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720p once again unwatchable.
I have a feeling this is a problem between Twitch and a subset of users.
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On April 07 2012 05:15 deo1 wrote: The quality does not go up to 720p. The "best" setting is definitely the same resolution as the "480p" setting. I bought a subscription for 720p so I hope they get this fixed soon.
I just discovered that on the actual twitch stream, 720p+ is indeed true 720p quality. For whatever reason, in the special stream viewer that ign has (linked in the sidebar) does not go up to the same quality. at any rate, the annoying "Twitch TV" logo in the top right corner of the stream is not there on the twitch website, so that's a plus as well.
stream link with actual 720p: http://www.twitch.tv/ignproleague stream with "best" which is no better than the 480 setting: http://www.ign.com/ipl/tv?screens=ignproleague(twitch),ignproleague2(twitch)&f=starcraft-2
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Lani and the Korean streams have been the highlights of the tournament. Honestly, this is the worst casting I've ever seen at a major event. The quality of casters will have to be significantly improved for me to consider paying for a premium stream for these events. It seems as though every pairing has at least one person who doesn't play the game.
I say this as an MLG Gold Member who bought a Winter pass and a membership for HSC and has donated to Shoutcraft Invitationals (I spend money on quality streams.) The casting thus far has been abysmal. There's a significant difference between being basic (like TB) and being outright wrong (like HD/PU often are.)
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On April 09 2012 12:07 Jibba wrote: Lani and the Korean streams have been the highlights of the tournament. Honestly, this is the worst casting I've ever seen at a major event. The quality of casters will have to be significantly improved for me to consider paying for a premium stream for these events. It seems as though every pairing has at least one person who doesn't play the game.
I say this as an MLG Gold Member who bought a Winter pass and a membership for HSC and has donated to Shoutcraft Invitationals (I spend money on quality streams.) The casting thus far has been abysmal. There's a significant difference between being basic (like TB) and being outright wrong (like HD/PU often are.)
+ Show Spoiler +Lani was definitely a highlight. She was very authentic, spontaneous and engaging. It was a pleasure to watch her stream in between the games. It was a gateway into the event as a stream viewer because the atmosphere from the main stage didn't always come across through the stream.
The hosting (between games) of the main stage was disappointing and cringeworthy at times. All the qualities Lani had were kind of missing in the main stage hosting for me. It often felt artificial, under-prepared and awkward. The one person who really saved the main stage hosting and especially saved some very awkward situations and badly prepared questions was Smix. She came across as authentic, professional and fun. Her work was a highlight for me as well this weekend.
To end on a very positive note: The observing by Legend was the best observing I have seen in a tournament so far. It is never perfect but it was damn close!
Overall, I had a great weekend with IPL4. I like the pricing system for HD with IGN Pro League. The freemium model is really customer friendly in my opinion and a really good deal.
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On April 09 2012 07:40 Enemyy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2012 04:09 skeldark wrote: just wanted to say that the ingame observer is really good. I point out all the important facts and informations.
Most definitly! 100% Agree perfect job there!
I absolutely agree. Whoever it was, was doing a good enough job that several people that I was watching with commented on how good they were.
Pro cameraman.
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ingame observer is the same as GOMTV observer.
Apparently he flew to vegas to take the role 0_0
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Although I appreciate the free stream, the director of the cam shots did a horrid job at it. They kept putting up cam shots of the crowd when important things were happening in a game. And not only was it just a crowd shot, it was and overly extended glance that lasted what felt like an minutes while the casters were shouting with excitement over something occurring. WHY WHY???
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"You will still have HD qualities available until one month has elapsed from the time of purchase."
So if the subscription is canceled and after one month lapses you lose access to the HD vods that were released while you were a subscriber?
Could someone please clarify as I am just used to the GSL model. Paying for something (like GSL Oct) and always having access to the HD vods thereafter for that event.
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I know that the event is over already but since I enjoyed it quite a bit I wanted to throw you a couple of bucks now. Unfortunately I seem to be unable to pay for the subscription via PayPal. I already have an account at justin.tv but when I try setup the payment I get the following error message after logging in to PayPal (which also works just fine): "At this time, we are unable to process your request." Is there any way for me to solve this problem?
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As a paid up subscriber just wanted to say the event was pretty good on day 3 (bar it just went on too long at the end) however improvements are required in the future for me to be satsified.
1) Lag. the 720 stream really was pretty laggy especially on day1/2. I checked my internet regualrly and it certainly wasnt my end and I noticed a lot of other Europeans complainimg too. I know this is really down to Twitch inftrastructure not being up to scratch for peak European times but as a paying member I need to point this out as the single most critical factor to me continuing to pay up. I had to watch alot of games on the free 480 (which also lagged a bit).
2) Not enough games were shown and sometimes the wrong games were aired..missing the last Foreigner match where he needed to win to qualify for champ sunday was very poor judgement and disappointed a great many people me included.
3) Casting. It was good but not great (bar Apollo). Considers working with the casters on a development plan for the in house ones to hone their skills. We all need to have structured training plans so we continue to improve and casting is no different. This will be even more important as you increase the number of streams / casters.
4) Too many Koreans. I love watching Koreans play but it really was a case of the mighty horde decendeth upon Las Vegas. Consider regional qualifers to alleviate this so more chance for a variety of countries to get their favourites into the final days. There is a reason the most popular streams are of players like Stephano, NAniwa, Idra and Huk.
5) Format. Bracket and pool play is not great. Why not just have one big tournament. Giving a small percentage of the players a big advantage over the others limits chances of success stories like Scarlett. I am ok with perhaps an extra 3 rounds for those not qualified to weed out the non GM's (similar to Tennis Grand Slams) but thats as far as it should go.
6) Production. Your sound guys also need to go on training courses as multiple problems occured throughout. I really liked the Korean observer, Smix was brilliant translator and those that hosted did a good job. The Kpop was ok I guess except same3 VOD's were constantly recycled. I understand costs prohibit other content being aired but what about all the Starcraft 2 music thats been made (by Husky Smix etc?). Some lateral thinking is needed by all LAN organisers to fill downtime better e.g. Why not get a caster to go over some replays of interesting games that were not streamed e.g. Scarlett Demuslim or other games from Open Bracket?
I will continue to be loyal to IPL as you have won me over with your excellent Fight Club, Team Arena etc. I did not like the near all Terran affair that was Chanpion of Champions. Again we need balance.
Good effort and look forward to imporvements for your regular content and IPL5. Thank you and good luck.
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On Apr 9 2012 19:56 Ireniicus wrote: As a paid up subscriber just wanted to say the event was pretty good on day 3 (bar it just went on too long at the end) however improvements are required in the future for me to be satsified.
1) Lag. the 720 stream really was pretty laggy especially on day1/2. I checked my internet regualrly and it certainly wasnt my end and I noticed a lot of other Europeans complainimg too. I know this is really down to Twitch inftrastructure not being up to scratch for peak European times but as a paying member I need to point this out as the single most critical factor to me continuing to pay up. I had to watch alot of games on the free 480 (which also lagged a bit).
2) Not enough games were shown and sometimes the wrong games were aired..missing the last Foreigner match where he needed to win to qualify for champ sunday was very poor judgement and disappointed a great many people me included.
3) Casting. It was good but not great (bar Apollo). Considers working with the casters on a development plan for the in house ones to hone their skills. We all need to have structured training plans so we continue to improve and casting is no different. This will be even more important as you increase the number of streams / casters.
4) Too many Koreans. I love watching Koreans play but it really was a case of the mighty horde decendeth upon Las Vegas. Consider regional qualifers to alleviate this so more chance for a variety of countries to get their favourites into the final days. There is a reason the most popular streams are of players like Stephano, NAniwa, Idra and Huk.
5) Format. Bracket and pool play is not great. Why not just have one big tournament. Giving a small percentage of the players a big advantage over the others limits chances of success stories like Scarlett. I am ok with perhaps an extra 3 rounds for those not qualified to weed out the non GM's (similar to Tennis Grand Slams) but thats as far as it should go.
6) Production. Your sound guys also need to go on training courses as multiple problems occured throughout. I really liked the Korean observer, Smix was brilliant translator and those that hosted did a good job. The Kpop was ok I guess except same3 VOD's were constantly recycled. I understand costs prohibit other content being aired but what about all the Starcraft 2 music thats been made (by Husky Smix etc?). Some lateral thinking is needed by all LAN organisers to fill downtime better e.g. Why not get a caster to go over some replays of interesting games that were not streamed e.g. Scarlett Demuslim or other games from Open Bracket?
I will continue to be loyal to IPL as you have won me over with your excellent Fight Club, Team Arena etc. I did not like the near all Terran affair that was Chanpion of Champions. Again we need balance.
Good effort and look forward to imporvements for your regular content and IPL5. Thank you and good luck.
I agree with every one of your complaints/feedback besides #4. It was the result of the best players making it to the end, which just goes to show that the Western and Euro players are still a bit behind besides a handful.
Other than that I think you nailed it imo.
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I'm not too sure about the complaints of casting having any merit. They were for the most part very good, especially the way they conducted themselves during the DC's and technical issues- professional, calm, and friendly. Even in game, the casting was great. You can't expect gigantic in depth analysis at all time and in every situation, and it really should be up to the player to realize what's going on. Casters should add flavor to the experience, not command it's entire destiny.
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On April 11 2012 00:24 Supah wrote: I'm not too sure about the complaints of casting having any merit. They were for the most part very good, especially the way they conducted themselves during the DC's and technical issues- professional, calm, and friendly. Even in game, the casting was great. You can't expect gigantic in depth analysis at all time and in every situation, and it really should be up to the player to realize what's going on. Casters should add flavor to the experience, not command it's entire destiny. What? They spoke about the game state during the downtime, while Nestea's booth was open. That was one of the biggest uproars during the entire time, and even people in the live audience yelled at them to stop.
There seems to be a stark contrast between the critics and supporters, and it largely comes down to those who know enough to know what they're saying is wrong, and those who believe them. Balancing between casuals and experienced players is a major issue, and one that MLG and other events have largely overcome. I've heard a lot more dissatisfaction with the $5 purchase for IPL than the $20 purchase for MLG, for this very reason.
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This is awesome until i get banned from Twitch.tv again and can't use it anymore :D
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On April 11 2012 00:24 Supah wrote: I'm not too sure about the complaints of casting having any merit. They were for the most part very good, especially the way they conducted themselves during the DC's and technical issues- professional, calm, and friendly. Even in game, the casting was great. You can't expect gigantic in depth analysis at all time and in every situation, and it really should be up to the player to realize what's going on. Casters should add flavor to the experience, not command it's entire destiny.
I agreed their casting was good however it certainly was not great and their offering was not comparable to the best so in my opinion there is quite a lot of room for improvement in this space. Nothing wrong with that as I am hoping we all have this with our jobs.
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All good, subscribed... but couldn't find the VODS anywhere.... the ign ipl page is not updated.... SO where do I watch the VODs??? Can anyone help?
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On April 11 2012 00:31 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2012 00:24 Supah wrote: I'm not too sure about the complaints of casting having any merit. They were for the most part very good, especially the way they conducted themselves during the DC's and technical issues- professional, calm, and friendly. Even in game, the casting was great. You can't expect gigantic in depth analysis at all time and in every situation, and it really should be up to the player to realize what's going on. Casters should add flavor to the experience, not command it's entire destiny. What? They spoke about the game state during the downtime, while Nestea's booth was open. That was one of the biggest uproars during the entire time, and even people in the live audience yelled at them to stop. There seems to be a stark contrast between the critics and supporters, and it largely comes down to those who know enough to know what they're saying is wrong, and those who believe them. Balancing between casuals and experienced players is a major issue, and one that MLG and other events have largely overcome. I've heard a lot more dissatisfaction with the $5 purchase for IPL than the $20 purchase for MLG, for this very reason.
That's to be expected I think. The people who spent $20 are probably more involved and invested into the scene than the people who only spent $5, and represent a smaller percentage of the community, so their aggregate complaints are less than IPL. But the initial PPV uproar from the general community was huge, and the cries from the Gold Members who felt they were cheated were especially loud.
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On April 11 2012 00:31 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2012 00:24 Supah wrote: I'm not too sure about the complaints of casting having any merit. They were for the most part very good, especially the way they conducted themselves during the DC's and technical issues- professional, calm, and friendly. Even in game, the casting was great. You can't expect gigantic in depth analysis at all time and in every situation, and it really should be up to the player to realize what's going on. Casters should add flavor to the experience, not command it's entire destiny. What? They spoke about the game state during the downtime, while Nestea's booth was open. That was one of the biggest uproars during the entire time, and even people in the live audience yelled at them to stop. There seems to be a stark contrast between the critics and supporters, and it largely comes down to those who know enough to know what they're saying is wrong, and those who believe them. Balancing between casuals and experienced players is a major issue, and one that MLG and other events have largely overcome. I've heard a lot more dissatisfaction with the $5 purchase for IPL than the $20 purchase for MLG, for this very reason.
You're very much correct about the booth thing. Sorry, I was more referencing the style and "game knowledge" casters have. Yeah, it's annoying when a caster is wrong consistently and often, but I'm very much OK with middling game knowledge if the person is easy on the ears. To be honest, the only truly "great" caster right now is Artosis, the guy's game knowledge, banter, comedy, and overall love of the game is way too infetious to not respect and love. I just think the clamor to get those "analytical" casters when for the most part they just report on the metagame builds without any real game knowledge is a misnomer and bad form on the part of the fans. I guess what I'm saying is, fans should be more informed, and not rename a good play by play caster analytical just because they're familiar with the game's landscape- that should be bare minimum with the job.
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