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On March 26 2012 10:47 StyLeD wrote:
Brood War was not going to last forever. I believe it's best to retire Brood War now - when it's reaching the beginning of the end - so we don't have to see a struggling BW. Much like we hate to see struggling sports legends play the tail end of their careers, I would not want to see BW decline that badly. Better retire it now - with much prestige intact - than later.
Just my 2cents.
But I don't want to open my arms and embrace another game. The little gaming heart inside me have little to no interest in moba games.
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Poor BW. I think this is it?
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On March 26 2012 10:46 Di3s3l wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2012 10:31 Blasterion wrote:On March 26 2012 09:36 Di3s3l wrote:
"Its inevitable. Everything must progress and bw is getting old.
User was warned for this post"
Just curious why was this user warned for this post? Was it originally much worse but edited now to look not as bad? That's just an opinion that didn't direct revulsion against anyone. That's not good if you can get warned for having an open opinion on such a matter just because it may upset someone with power to read it. It's taboo to imply BW is dying. Simple as that, it's a rude gesture to the Brood War community. Still, it's just an opinion. To ban opinions on a forum doesn't create discussion, it filters the conversation to how the people with power want it to go, and discourages future opinions from being posted. Whether you agree or disagree with it. I don't see the vulgar, nor the reason to give the warning. I LOVE BW still, I took no offense to that statement.
Hardly. No discussion would have come from that post. Regardless of the posters intention that post was flamebait, added nothing to discussion and if anything would detract discussion from the topic.
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Lol at the people who say 'bw is dying'. Did you know that in korea, it's actually uncommon to find someone playing SC2? 90% of people in net Cafes still play bw.
SC2 is insignificant in korea. GOM fucked up big time for SC2 and they are too stubborn to co-exist with OGN. Clearly if you want something to grow, you need to open its doors to everyone. It's really sad that GOM is actually limiting the growth of SC2.
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On March 26 2012 10:16 Di3s3l wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2012 10:11 W2 wrote:
So milkis mentioned how gomtv has a conflict of interest. Partnering with KeSPA for the greater good of SC2 means sacrificing being the "premier" league. Gomtv should give it a shot, it's not like GSL by itself is growing, and there were room for two premier leagues in BW's heyday. Have it be like any pro-sports Leagues out there. One Title, 2 Large Leagues with sub-divisions, and at the end of the season; have the winner of each League face each other for the title. Yay Nay?
Definitely nay. Sc2 fans want Flash, Jaedong playing in GSL's and MKP, DRG playing Pro League. A full and total merger where all Sc2 teams play in pro league and OSL's and all BW players play in GSL is the ideal for us.
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On March 26 2012 10:52 Zariel wrote:
Lol at the people who say 'bw is dying'. Did you know that in korea, it's actually uncommon to find someone playing SC2? 90% of people in net Cafes still play bw.
I think it's more likely that 90% of people in PCBangs are playing LoL, tbh ... 
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On March 26 2012 10:58 babylon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2012 10:52 Zariel wrote:
Lol at the people who say 'bw is dying'. Did you know that in korea, it's actually uncommon to find someone playing SC2? 90% of people in net Cafes still play bw. I think it's more likely that 90% of people in PCBangs are playing LoL, tbh ...
The highest ranked game is around 20% and is either a Korean FPS or Korean MMO. Last time I checked LOL was 4 and BW was 5. SC2 was 20.
EDIT: Nvm LOL #1 now. http://www.gametrics.com/
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Blizzard getting involved with esports can only be good.
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On March 26 2012 10:50 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2012 10:47 StyLeD wrote:
Brood War was not going to last forever. I believe it's best to retire Brood War now - when it's reaching the beginning of the end - so we don't have to see a struggling BW. Much like we hate to see struggling sports legends play the tail end of their careers, I would not want to see BW decline that badly. Better retire it now - with much prestige intact - than later.
Just my 2cents. But I don't want to open my arms and embrace another game. The little gaming heart inside me have little to no interest in moba games.
Yea. It's difficult when we've spectated the best of a game like BroodWar.
Also, here we got all the foreigners (SC2 lovers mainly) expressing their opinion on how BW should just die and gtfo. Very interested in the forums of the netizens in the actual country of discussion, because they seem to recognise that SC2 just ain't the better game.
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On March 26 2012 11:04 KevinIX wrote:
Blizzard getting involved with esports can only be good.
Says who? So far they fucked up everything they could possibly fuck.
BW is still alive 12 years later, without Blizzard dipping in a single cent into eSports.
Coincidence that BW started to take hits only after Blizzard started taking interest in the eSports scene.
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On March 26 2012 11:04 KevinIX wrote:
Blizzard getting involved with esports can only be good.
It's a conflict of interest for a company, who wants to release new titles and sell lots of copies, to be involved in esports, in which everyone wants a select group of very good titles that last a long time. It's like trying to build a community from the top down.
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On March 26 2012 10:52 Zariel wrote:
Lol at the people who say 'bw is dying'. Did you know that in korea, it's actually uncommon to find someone playing SC2? 90% of people in net Cafes still play bw.
SC2 is insignificant in korea. GOM fucked up big time for SC2 and they are too stubborn to co-exist with OGN. Clearly if you want something to grow, you need to open its doors to everyone. It's really sad that GOM is actually limiting the growth of SC2.
First you make up a statistic to support your argument, then you state that GOM doesn't want to coexist with OGN which directly contradicts what's written in the OP. I'd recommend putting some more thought into your posts.
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On March 26 2012 11:13 fabiano wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2012 11:04 KevinIX wrote:
Blizzard getting involved with esports can only be good. Says who? So far they fucked up everything they could possibly fuck. BW is still alive 12 years later, without Blizzard dipping in a single cent into eSports. Coincidence that BW started to take hits only after Blizzard started taking interest in the eSports scene.
**More or less in Korea. The BW competitive scene has seriously fallen off globally with the exception of Korea. Alive is a relative term, depending on what scope you are using. Just Korea? Yeah, its alive, rocky, but alive. Everywhere else? Vegetative State.
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On March 26 2012 11:17 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2012 11:04 KevinIX wrote:
Blizzard getting involved with esports can only be good. It's a conflict of interest for a company, who wants to release new titles and sell lots of copies, to be involved in esports, in which everyone wants a select group of very good titles that last a long time. It's like trying to build a community from the top down.
This is just so incredibly wrong.
Firstly Blizzard is not a company that makes a lot of games, they release a small number of titles and always stand by quality over quantity.
Secondly if people get extremely into one Blizzard because of ESports they game they will A) Buy the expansions, B) Tell their friends about the game and C) Buy/try other Blizzard games because they're super into one Blizzard game so they will of course try the other games.
ESports is nothing but win for a company like Blizzard, or indeed any company but especially one like Blizzard.
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okay this is gonna be SUPER newb question but.. when people talk about BW proleague how is it different from GSL season 1 how is the BW proleague format differ from the GSL format
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On March 26 2012 12:21 naux wrote:
okay this is gonna be SUPER newb question but.. when people talk about BW proleague how is it different from GSL season 1 how is the BW proleague format differ from the GSL format
Pro League is a team league.
It's different because it's not winner stays on format (most of the time) it's format is most similar to the EG Masters Cup but with best of 1's instead.
The other biggest difference is that Pro League runs for either an entire year or six month period.
Also unlike in Sc2 team league is the bread and butter of BW and more important (or at least equally important) to single leagues. Where as in Sc2 team leagues are a nice distraction and single leagues are all that really matters.
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On March 26 2012 12:16 Aemilia wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2012 11:17 oBlade wrote:On March 26 2012 11:04 KevinIX wrote:
Blizzard getting involved with esports can only be good. It's a conflict of interest for a company, who wants to release new titles and sell lots of copies, to be involved in esports, in which everyone wants a select group of very good titles that last a long time. It's like trying to build a community from the top down. This is just so incredibly wrong. Firstly Blizzard is not a company that makes a lot of games, they release a small number of titles and always stand by quality over quantity. Secondly if people get extremely into one Blizzard because of ESports they game they will A) Buy the expansions, B) Tell their friends about the game and C) Buy/try other Blizzard games because they're super into one Blizzard game so they will of course try the other games. ESports is nothing but win for a company like Blizzard, or indeed any company but especially one like Blizzard.
Given Blizzard's track record recently in terms of gameplay and experience decisions, I already have doubts over their commitment to constant quality over quantity. Their active support for eSports has been lackluster for a company of their size, especially given their current competition is extremely focused on broadening the viewer base (Riot). If they want to really break it to the mainstream, constant and timely support of events along with improving the user interface experience (on Battle.Net) should remain their primary goals.
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On March 26 2012 12:42 Ciryandor wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2012 12:16 Aemilia wrote:On March 26 2012 11:17 oBlade wrote:On March 26 2012 11:04 KevinIX wrote:
Blizzard getting involved with esports can only be good. It's a conflict of interest for a company, who wants to release new titles and sell lots of copies, to be involved in esports, in which everyone wants a select group of very good titles that last a long time. It's like trying to build a community from the top down. This is just so incredibly wrong. Firstly Blizzard is not a company that makes a lot of games, they release a small number of titles and always stand by quality over quantity. Secondly if people get extremely into one Blizzard because of ESports they game they will A) Buy the expansions, B) Tell their friends about the game and C) Buy/try other Blizzard games because they're super into one Blizzard game so they will of course try the other games. ESports is nothing but win for a company like Blizzard, or indeed any company but especially one like Blizzard. Given Blizzard's track record recently in terms of gameplay and experience decisions, I already have doubts over their commitment to constant quality over quantity. Their active support for eSports has been lackluster for a company of their size, especially given their current competition is extremely focused on broadening the viewer base (Riot). If they want to really break it to the mainstream, constant and timely support of events along with improving the user interface experience (on Battle.Net) should remain their primary goals.
I feel like they're working on all those things Blizzard just works slowly.
Many of things people used to whine about have been fixed like ladder maps, busy status, countless balance changes.
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On March 26 2012 12:29 Aemilia wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2012 12:21 naux wrote:
okay this is gonna be SUPER newb question but.. when people talk about BW proleague how is it different from GSL season 1 how is the BW proleague format differ from the GSL format Pro League is a team league. It's different because it's not winner stays on format (most of the time) it's format is most similar to the EG Masters Cup but with best of 1's instead. The other biggest difference is that Pro League runs for either an entire year or six month period. Also unlike in Sc2 team league is the bread and butter of BW and more important (or at least equally important) to single leagues. Where as in Sc2 team leagues are a nice distraction and single leagues are all that really matters.
ooh kay i understand now thanks alot
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On March 26 2012 12:50 Aemilia wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2012 12:42 Ciryandor wrote:On March 26 2012 12:16 Aemilia wrote:On March 26 2012 11:17 oBlade wrote:On March 26 2012 11:04 KevinIX wrote:
Blizzard getting involved with esports can only be good. It's a conflict of interest for a company, who wants to release new titles and sell lots of copies, to be involved in esports, in which everyone wants a select group of very good titles that last a long time. It's like trying to build a community from the top down. This is just so incredibly wrong. Firstly Blizzard is not a company that makes a lot of games, they release a small number of titles and always stand by quality over quantity. Secondly if people get extremely into one Blizzard because of ESports they game they will A) Buy the expansions, B) Tell their friends about the game and C) Buy/try other Blizzard games because they're super into one Blizzard game so they will of course try the other games. ESports is nothing but win for a company like Blizzard, or indeed any company but especially one like Blizzard. Given Blizzard's track record recently in terms of gameplay and experience decisions, I already have doubts over their commitment to constant quality over quantity. Their active support for eSports has been lackluster for a company of their size, especially given their current competition is extremely focused on broadening the viewer base (Riot). If they want to really break it to the mainstream, constant and timely support of events along with improving the user interface experience (on Battle.Net) should remain their primary goals. I feel like they're working on all those things Blizzard just works slowly. Many of things people used to whine about have been fixed like ladder maps, busy status, countless balance changes.
They already have a template for custom maps AND chat channels for Warcraft 3, why fix what ain't broken? Also, no replay watching??? Also, some fundamental differences from BW like defender's advantage and unit clumping (both of which influence a game's pace) are not in the game at all. They've had YEARS to pre-plan what made WCIII and BW so great, then they have to remake everything all over again to get it back?
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